• heavy and sluggish 2022 05

    From Oleg Smirnov@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 14 00:39:00 2022
    XPost: sci.military.naval, us.military.army, alt.military
    XPost: alt.politics.org.cia

    <https://tinyurl.com/y4olez2b> militarywatchmagazine.com

    Capitol Hill Isn't At All Happy with the F-35: Engines 'Don't Work' ..

    Following the latest of multiple dismal reports by the Government Accountability Office on the performance on the F-35 fifth generation
    fighter program, a nearly two hour hearing on Capitol Hill saw the
    head of the F-35 Joint Program Office Lieutenant General Eric Fick
    answer questions as congressmen vowed to "raise holy hell" until
    persistent issues were resolved. The Accountability Office report
    highlighted that the fighter continued to suffer from low mission
    capable rates, missed reliability targets, and most notably had seen maintenance costs double ..

    ...

    America in decline.



    <https://bit.ly/2PtWkKL>

    The F-35 Reportedly Has a New Capability: Shooting Itself

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  • From a425couple@21:1/5 to Oleg Smirnov on Fri May 13 16:02:26 2022
    XPost: sci.military.naval, us.military.army, alt.military
    XPost: alt.politics.org.cia

    On 5/13/2022 2:39 PM, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
    <https://tinyurl.com/y4olez2b> militarywatchmagazine.com

    Capitol Hill Isn't At All Happy with the F-35: Engines 'Don't Work' ..

    ----
    America in decline.


    The F-35 Reportedly Has a New Capability: Shooting Itself

    Hello Oleg,
    we have missed you.

    Remember back on January 10th 2022 when you posted:

    "The Dark Heart of Treason Infecting America's Military
    America's military power is a sham. With talk about fighting
    ground wars against Iran or Russia, only those who really know
    America's military and its current condition can understand
    the insanity of these scenarios."

    That comment seems somewhat 'tainted' when thinking
    about the Red Army loosing ground in Ukraine.

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  • From ZZyXX@21:1/5 to Oleg Smirnov on Tue May 17 13:41:12 2022
    XPost: sci.military.naval

    On 5/13/22 2:39 PM, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
    <https://tinyurl.com/y4olez2b> militarywatchmagazine.com

    Capitol Hill Isn't At All Happy with the F-35: Engines 'Don't Work' ..

    Following the latest of multiple dismal reports by the Government Accountability Office on the performance on the F-35 fifth generation
    fighter program, a nearly two hour hearing on Capitol Hill saw the head
    of the F-35 Joint Program Office Lieutenant General Eric Fick answer questions as congressmen vowed to "raise holy hell" until persistent
    issues were resolved. The Accountability Office report highlighted that
    the fighter continued to suffer from low mission capable rates, missed reliability targets, and most notably had seen maintenance costs double ..

    ...

    how's the salvage attempts on the Moskva going




    America in decline.



    <https://bit.ly/2PtWkKL>

    The F-35 Reportedly Has a New Capability: Shooting Itself

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  • From a425couple@21:1/5 to ZZyXX on Thu May 19 08:13:47 2022
    XPost: sci.military.naval

    On 5/17/2022 1:41 PM, ZZyXX wrote:
    On 5/13/22 2:39 PM, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
    <https://tinyurl.com/y4olez2b> militarywatchmagazine.com

    The Accountability Office report
    highlighted that the fighter continued to suffer from low mission
    capable rates, missed reliability targets, and most notably had seen
    maintenance costs double ..
    ...

    how's the salvage attempts on the Moskva going


    America in decline.


    I think that we need to be patient and keep
    aware of how news develops around the
    sunk Russian cruiser Moskva.

    It certainly had missiles that were intended
    in a serious "war" to be armed with nuclear
    warheads.

    How confident can we be that prior to Russia
    starting the Ukraine War, that they pulled it
    into a well guarded port, unloaded all the
    nuclear warheads, put them into land storage,
    or shipped them back to the main Russian weapons
    storage areas for nukes?
    It would seem that that would be a rather labor
    and management intensive effort.
    Of things we have seen, has Russia been smart
    and prudent? Or have they been rushed, sloppy, and
    careless?

    I think, either currently, or certainly in the future,
    some deep diving submersible research will be done.

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to ZZyXX on Thu May 19 12:17:49 2022
    XPost: sci.military.naval

    "a425couple" wrote in message news:J8thK.3$Rvub.0@fx35.iad...

    On 5/17/2022 1:41 PM, ZZyXX wrote:
    On 5/13/22 2:39 PM, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
    <https://tinyurl.com/y4olez2b> militarywatchmagazine.com

    The Accountability Office report
    highlighted that the fighter continued to suffer from low mission
    capable rates, missed reliability targets, and most notably had seen
    maintenance costs double ..
    ...

    how's the salvage attempts on the Moskva going


    America in decline.


    I think that we need to be patient and keep
    aware of how news develops around the
    sunk Russian cruiser Moskva.

    It certainly had missiles that were intended
    in a serious "war" to be armed with nuclear
    warheads.

    How confident can we be that prior to Russia
    starting the Ukraine War, that they pulled it
    into a well guarded port, unloaded all the
    nuclear warheads, put them into land storage,
    or shipped them back to the main Russian weapons
    storage areas for nukes?
    It would seem that that would be a rather labor
    and management intensive effort.
    Of things we have seen, has Russia been smart
    and prudent? Or have they been rushed, sloppy, and
    careless?

    I think, either currently, or certainly in the future,
    some deep diving submersible research will be done.

    ----------------------

    The depths of the Black Sea are uniquely corrosive. https://depths.energy/en/environment-of-the-black-sea/

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  • From ZZyXX@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 23 18:42:28 2022
    XPost: sci.military.naval

    On 5/19/22 8:13 AM, a425couple wrote:
    On 5/17/2022 1:41 PM, ZZyXX wrote:
    On 5/13/22 2:39 PM, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
    <https://tinyurl.com/y4olez2b> militarywatchmagazine.com

    The Accountability Office report highlighted that the fighter
    continued to suffer from low mission capable rates, missed
    reliability targets, and most notably had seen maintenance costs
    double ..
    ...

    how's the salvage attempts on the Moskva going


    America in decline.


    I think that we need to be patient and keep
    aware of how news develops around the
    sunk Russian cruiser Moskva.

    It certainly had missiles that were intended
    in a serious "war" to be armed with nuclear
    warheads.

    How confident can we be that prior to Russia
    starting the Ukraine War, that they pulled it
    into a well guarded port, unloaded all the
    nuclear warheads, put them into land storage,
    or shipped them back to the main Russian weapons
    storage areas for nukes?
    It would seem that that would be a rather labor
    and management intensive effort.
    Of things we have seen, has Russia been smart
    and prudent?  Or have they been rushed, sloppy, and
    careless?

    I think, either currently, or certainly in the future,
    some deep diving submersible research will be done.


    I know it would be difficult and political acne, but imagine Ukraine
    recovering russian nukes

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  • From Dean Markley@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Tue May 24 04:49:40 2022
    On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 12:18:53 PM UTC-4, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "a425couple" wrote in message news:J8thK.3$Rvu...@fx35.iad...
    On 5/17/2022 1:41 PM, ZZyXX wrote:
    On 5/13/22 2:39 PM, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
    <https://tinyurl.com/y4olez2b> militarywatchmagazine.com

    The Accountability Office report
    highlighted that the fighter continued to suffer from low mission
    capable rates, missed reliability targets, and most notably had seen
    maintenance costs double ..
    ...

    how's the salvage attempts on the Moskva going


    America in decline.


    I think that we need to be patient and keep
    aware of how news develops around the
    sunk Russian cruiser Moskva.

    It certainly had missiles that were intended
    in a serious "war" to be armed with nuclear
    warheads.

    How confident can we be that prior to Russia
    starting the Ukraine War, that they pulled it
    into a well guarded port, unloaded all the
    nuclear warheads, put them into land storage,
    or shipped them back to the main Russian weapons
    storage areas for nukes?
    It would seem that that would be a rather labor
    and management intensive effort.
    Of things we have seen, has Russia been smart
    and prudent? Or have they been rushed, sloppy, and
    careless?

    I think, either currently, or certainly in the future,
    some deep diving submersible research will be done.
    ----------------------

    The depths of the Black Sea are uniquely corrosive. https://depths.energy/en/environment-of-the-black-sea/

    Jim, the Moskva lies at a depth of 45-50 meters. Hydrogen sulfide only begins to be a problem at depths over 200 meters. Now having said that, being submerged in water in general is usually not good for finely tuned electronics/warheads.

    Dean

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 24 09:05:47 2022
    "Dean Markley" wrote in message news:6af79d1b-aaca-46b4-b3a5-76dd6bf20dccn@googlegroups.com...

    The depths of the Black Sea are uniquely corrosive. https://depths.energy/en/environment-of-the-black-sea/

    Jim, the Moskva lies at a depth of 45-50 meters. Hydrogen sulfide only
    begins to be a problem at depths over 200 meters. Now having said that,
    being submerged in water in general is usually not good for finely tuned electronics/warheads.

    Dean

    ---------------

    The problem is release of Plutonium, which is quite dangerous if inhaled as dust, less so in water or food. https://www.cdc.gov/nceh/radiation/emergencies/isotopes/plutonium.htm

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