• China's reported hypersonic missile test "an important surprise" for U.

    From a425couple@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 28 08:34:20 2021
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    China's reported hypersonic missile test "an important surprise" for U.S.
    BY RAMY INOCENCIO

    OCTOBER 19, 2021 / 8:29 AM / CBS NEWS


    Hong Kong — China is shooting down a report claiming it successfully
    tested an advanced weapon known as a hypersonic missile. Beijing
    described the launch as a "routine" test of a reusable space vehicle,
    but Washington insiders say that if China really has successfully tested hypersonic missile technology, the U.S. is simply not ready to contend
    with the threat that poses.


    Hypersonic rockets travel at least five times the speed of sound, and
    they can fly much lower to the ground than conventional ballistic
    missiles. That makes them much harder to trace, and thus much harder to
    stop.

    The last time the world saw China's arsenal of hypersonic missiles was
    in 2019, as the Communist Party put its latest technology on display in
    a huge military parade through central Beijing's Tiananmen Square.

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    DF-17 Dongfeng medium-range ballistic missiles equipped with DF-ZF
    hypersonic glide vehicles are seen in a military parade to mark the 70th anniversary of the Chinese People's Republic, in Beijing, China, October
    1, 2019.
    ZOYA RUSINOVA/TASS/GETTY
    The report in The Financial Times over the weekend claimed that China
    launched a hypersonic missile over the summer, which it said circled the
    globe before landing about 25 miles from its intended target.


    Retired U.S. Admiral James "Sandy" Winnefeld, a former vice chairman of
    the Joint Chiefs of Staff, called the apparent Chinese test "an
    important surprise" for American, "because it demonstrates the
    capability to have a very long-reach hypersonic weapon that could cause
    a lot of damage without us being able to do anything about it."

    On Monday, Beijing responded to the newspaper report, with Foreign
    Ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian telling reporters it was "not a missile"
    but rather "a space vehicle" used in a "routine test" as China develops technology to lower the cost of future space travel.


    But China has continued to build-up its military capabilities. The
    country already boasts the world's largest standing military force, and
    it hasn't been shy about throwing that weight around — the record 149 military flight incursions into Taiwan's air defense zone this month
    being the most recent example.

    In a "60 Minutes" interview over the weekend, Anderson Cooper asked
    former U.S. Secretary of Defense Robert Gates about China's military
    expansion, and the potential for a Chinese invasion of democratically
    governed Taiwan.

    "There are two strategies that we need to focus on," Gates told Cooper.
    "One is deterrence — strengthening our own military presence in the
    region, and the second piece of the strategy is to strengthen Taiwan's
    ability to defend itself."


    Only the top levels of China's leadership may know if the country really carried out a successful test flight of a hypersonic missile — or "space vehicle."

    The U.S. and Russia have also been testing their own hypersonics, but if
    the Financial Times report is accurate, that would imply that China has
    taken the lead in the hypersonic arms race.

    Changing China More

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  • From kozelsm@yahoo.com@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 28 21:15:04 2021
    On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 11:34:18 AM UTC-4, a425couple wrote:
    from https://www.cbsnews.com/news/china-hypersonic-missile-test-called-important-surprise-for-us/

    China's reported hypersonic missile test "an important surprise" for U.S.
    BY RAMY INOCENCIO

    Hypersonic missiles go back to the 1950s.
    ICBMs which are boosted at about 15,000 mph.

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  • From Dean Markley@21:1/5 to koz...@yahoo.com on Fri Oct 29 04:37:59 2021
    On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 12:15:06 AM UTC-4, koz...@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 11:34:18 AM UTC-4, a425couple wrote:
    from https://www.cbsnews.com/news/china-hypersonic-missile-test-called-important-surprise-for-us/

    China's reported hypersonic missile test "an important surprise" for U.S. BY RAMY INOCENCIO
    Hypersonic missiles go back to the 1950s.
    ICBMs which are boosted at about 15,000 mph.

    You don't seem to understand the difference between the two. Yes, ballistic missiles do travel at hypersonic (and faster) speeds. But ballistic missiles travel in a high, very predictable arc on the way to the target. The new touted hypersonic
    missiles are not ballistic, they travel in much lower, flatter parabolas and have the ability to maneuver while doing so, especially in the terminal phase. I haven't seen much on exactly how they are guided to a target. One would think that the plasma
    sheath generated at those speeds would make sensing difficult but obviously there are solutions.

    Dean

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to koz...@yahoo.com on Fri Oct 29 12:13:40 2021
    "Dean Markley" wrote in message news:0a7d1fca-d850-4bb1-af0c-819884ac63ecn@googlegroups.com...

    On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 12:15:06 AM UTC-4, koz...@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 11:34:18 AM UTC-4, a425couple wrote:
    from https://www.cbsnews.com/news/china-hypersonic-missile-test-called-important-surprise-for-us/

    China's reported hypersonic missile test "an important surprise" for
    U.S.
    BY RAMY INOCENCIO
    Hypersonic missiles go back to the 1950s.
    ICBMs which are boosted at about 15,000 mph.

    You don't seem to understand the difference between the two. Yes, ballistic missiles do travel at hypersonic (and faster) speeds. But ballistic
    missiles travel in a high, very predictable arc on the way to the target.
    The new touted hypersonic missiles are not ballistic, they travel in much lower, flatter parabolas and have the ability to maneuver while doing so, especially in the terminal phase. I haven't seen much on exactly how they
    are guided to a target. One would think that the plasma sheath generated at those speeds would make sensing difficult but obviously there are solutions.

    Dean
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    A retired US Mach 5 missile:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIM-54_Phoenix

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  • From kozelsm@yahoo.com@21:1/5 to dama...@gmail.com on Fri Oct 29 21:13:40 2021
    On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 7:38:01 AM UTC-4, dama...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 12:15:06 AM UTC-4, koz...@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 11:34:18 AM UTC-4, a425couple wrote:
    from https://www.cbsnews.com/news/china-hypersonic-missile-test-called-important-surprise-for-us/

    China's reported hypersonic missile test "an important surprise" for U.S.
    BY RAMY INOCENCIO
    Hypersonic missiles go back to the 1950s.
    ICBMs which are boosted at about 15,000 mph.
    You don't seem to understand the difference between the two. Yes, ballistic missiles do travel at hypersonic (and faster) speeds. But ballistic missiles travel in a high, very predictable arc on the way to the target. The new touted hypersonic missiles
    are not ballistic, they travel in much lower, flatter parabolas and have the ability to maneuver while doing so, especially in the terminal phase. I haven't seen much on exactly how they are guided to a target. One would think that the plasma sheath
    generated at those speeds would make sensing difficult but obviously there are solutions.

    I do understand the difference, but I just don't see much feasibility in trying the maneuver and travel very far
    in the atmosphere at X-15 like speeds.

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