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On 10/8/2021 1:45 AM, Walt In Seattle wrote:

https://groups.google.com/g/talk.politics.misc/c/1QuCAPGvHMk/m/IaezZn-7AwAJ

You are basically saying, "Let unification happen even
if against their will by force" and "Reality bites" for
their 53 million people.


Hmmm.
In 1950 North Korea (backed by USSR, and then by PRC)
used military aggression to try to take over South Korea,
population then about 20 million.

The US (and the UN) risked nuclear war to resist
and preserve independence of South Korea. It worked,
even though it cost the USA about 36,000 dead.
They are a democracy that follows free enterprise
and have about 53 million citizens.

But, here and now, you say USA should "Step aside".

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On 10/8/2021 9:40 AM, a425couple wrote:

On 10/8/2021 1:45 AM, Walt In Seattle wrote:

https://groups.google.com/g/talk.politics.misc/c/1QuCAPGvHMk/m/IaezZn-7AwAJ >>

You are basically saying, "Let unification happen even
if against their will by force" and "Reality bites" for
their 53 million people.

Hmmm.
In 1950 North Korea (backed by USSR, and then by PRC)
used military aggression to try to take over South Korea,
population then about 20 million.

The US (and the UN) risked nuclear war to resist
and preserve independence of South Korea.  It worked,
even though it cost the USA about 36,000 dead.
They are a democracy that follows free enterprise
and have about 53 million citizens.

But, here and now, you say USA should "Step aside".

Maybe he doesn't see a stark contract between North and South Korea?

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On 10/8/2021 11:09 AM, Al Czervik wrote:

On 10/8/2021 9:40 AM, a425couple wrote:

On 10/8/2021 1:45 AM, Walt In Seattle wrote:

https://groups.google.com/g/talk.politics.misc/c/1QuCAPGvHMk/m/IaezZn-7AwAJ >>>

You are basically saying, "Let unification happen even
if against their will by force" and "Reality bites" for
their 53 million people.


Hmmm.
In 1950 North Korea (backed by USSR, and then by PRC)
used military aggression to try to take over South Korea,
population then about 20 million.

The US (and the UN) risked nuclear war to resist
and preserve independence of South Korea.  It worked,
even though it cost the USA about 36,000 dead.
They are a democracy that follows free enterprise
and have about 53 million citizens.

But, here and now, you say USA should "Step aside".

Maybe he doesn't see a stark contract between North and South Korea?

I was very lucky, in timing and many other things.
We spent 2 1/2 weeks in China on an very inexpensive
fully guided tour (~$1,200 per person) in 2018.
Very impressive country. Certainly and without a
doubt they have hugely increased the living standards
for their citizens. Interesting to hear the view
on some subjects of our PRC government approved tour
guide. Impressive country and people. I sure hope
that we do not get into war because of some idiot's
miscalculation.

Back in 1972, and in 2019 I passed through Taiwan,
but not enough time and experiences to form judgements.
Data says they are very productive and democratic.

But I read: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/05/30/map-the-u-s-is-bound-by-treaties-to-defend-a-quarter-of-humanity/

"--"The Myth of Entangling Alliances," an article by Michael Beckley
---Beckley also includes two countries where no formal defense
agreement has been signed (Israel and Taiwan), arguing that the
Taiwan Relations Act and American pledges to support Israel act
as de facto pledges of support."

We need to make it clear. The bloody war in Korea was
triggered by POTUS Truman's SoS making a speech
that laid out what we would defend, and he omitted
South Korea. What a shitty 'green light' he gave!!

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On 10/8/2021 5:55 PM, Walt In Seattle wrote:

On Friday, October 8, 2021 at 9:41:00 AM UTC-7, a425couple wrote:

On 10/8/2021 1:45 AM, Walt In Seattle wrote:

https://groups.google.com/g/talk.politics.misc/c/1QuCAPGvHMk/m/IaezZn-7AwAJ >>>

You are basically saying, "Let unification happen even
if against their will by force" and "Reality bites" for
their 53 million people.


Hmmm.
In 1950 North Korea (backed by USSR, and then by PRC)
used military aggression to try to take over South Korea,
population then about 20 million.

The US (and the UN) risked nuclear war to resist
and preserve independence of South Korea. It worked,
even though it cost the USA about 36,000 dead.
They are a democracy that follows free enterprise
and have about 53 million citizens.

But, here and now, you say USA should "Step aside".

You just LOVE to misrepresent what I write, 425?

I never intend to misrepresent what you write.

Your entire statement on this subject was elsewhere.
I tried to understand your views. Here is your full statement.

"In 10 To 20 Years, If Not Earlier, China Will Act To Impose Its Rule
Over Taiwan And The U.S. Will Have To Choose Between Defending Taiwan Or Stepping Aside While China Achieves What It Has Wanted To Do For Decades!
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Taiwan is a strong example of a successful democracy and is the
antithesis of the process by which China is governed. For that reason
alone, and as is the case in Hong Kong, China's leaders have decided the
time is quickly approaching when China must impugn plus eliminate the
concept of people participating in their governance by way of democracy
rather than being "guided" by government to the extent that they have no
role in decisionmaking if they are not in the current leadership itself. China's leadership is dedicated to the philosophy intelligent, strong
and capable people will rise through the CCP to power because they
understand what can be accomplished in a well-ordered society along with
how to accomplish order followed by supremacy for the nation on the
World stage while common people are fit only to be led and cared for,
not to lead themselves. By the logic of the CCP who probably believe
they EXCLUSIVELY know what's best for China, removing democracy from
Hong Kong then Taiwan is essential, 1C2S be damned, as it now is in Hong
Kong! China's leaders would and will argue democracy is a failed system
not long after making sham promises to abide by a 1C2S formula for
Taiwan. They'll do so while putting forth the notion only the leadership
of China knows how to engineer the rise of China as THE most powerful
nation on Earth. Such power is what the CCP craves. ONLY the leadership
is thought to have such capability and this thought, of course, is that
of China's leadership.

Unfortunately for Taiwan, the U.S. long ago backed itself into a corner
on China-Taiwan relations by accepting the PRC as THE government of
China and THE representative of Chinese interests in most venues,
including the U.N. Could a credible argument have been made that the ROC
is the legitimate government of both Taiwan and mainland China? Probably
not. So, with China's increased militarization and its intentions clear,
it seems we're headed for a bad ending as it pertains to Taiwan. In this context, it's difficult to assert that Taiwan has a right of sovereignty
over China's assertion. Thus, advocacy for Taiwan is hopelessly crippled.

Reality bites, bites hard, and reality is that, despite all else,
including the terrible fate Taiwan shall eventually face, the U.S. will
NOT go nuclear over Taiwan but China's leadership is likely prepared to
do so if it's necessary to reunify with Taiwan or go down fighting. I
don't like this. But I don't see how it won't happen.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/10/07/faq-taiwan-china-tensions/

https://apnews.com/article/tensions-flare-chinese-flights-near-taiwan-02b30ed449f663cf53ef0782482e35e9
"

How was my interpretation of your written opinion wrong?

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