• A Quora on End of Cold War (Failure of Soviet state)

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    Jarred Dunn
    Studied History at The University of Texas at Austin June 17, 2019

    What were the most accurate predictions of all time?

    On November 30, 1983, Herbert E. Meyer sat at his desk at the Central Intelligence Agency to write a prescient essay. His composition had an
    audience of two: CIA director Bill Casey, and United States President
    Ronald Reagan.

    Meyer, the special assistant to the director of Central Intelligence,
    titled his classified memo Why is the World so Dangerous? [1]

    Herb’s thesis would prove controversial. Some of his colleagues in the intelligence community, along with foreign policy intellectuals,
    believed in one immutable fact: the US and the Soviet Union would
    continue their global struggle for decades to come.

    Photo: r/HistoryPorn - Soviet nuclear missiles being paraded through Red
    Square at the height of the Cold War - Circa 1963 (639 x 441)

    The analyst was convinced of exactly the opposite.[2] Despite these prognostications of Russian staying power, the Soviet state was actually
    in grave danger.

    Meyer declared this in stark terms:

    Now let us consider the implication of our assertion that if the Soviet
    Union doesn’t take the West in the next 20 years or so, it never will:
    it means that if present trends continue, we’re going to win the cold
    war.[3]

    Meyer was right. The Soviet Union collapsed only eight years later.

    The memo pointed to several factors supporting his conclusion:

    The Soviet Union was not a coherent whole. The disparate elements had
    “failed utterly to become a country.” The Union was home to more than
    one hundred different nationalities, all jostling for more political and economic freedom. Russian domination of these groups simply could not
    last.[4]

    The Soviet economy was “heading toward calamity.” Soviet annual growth rates averaged 2 percent, while military spending averaged 4 percent
    annual growth rates. With sharply rising energy costs, living standards
    would inevitably decline.

    The Soviet Union was a “demographic nightmare.” Russian women averaged among the highest abortion rates in the world: up to six abortions per woman.[5] A precipitous drop in the birth rate meant less workers for
    state factories. (This warning was also prophetic: demographic declines continue to this day, with estimates of the Russian population dropping
    from 150 million to 100 million by 2050.)[6]

    Meyer concluded his essay with his firm belief in the soon-to-come
    triumph of the West.

    It has long been fashionable to view the Cold War as a permanent feature
    of global politics, one that will endure through the next several
    generations at least…

    In short, the Free World has outdistanced the Soviet Union economically, crushed it ideologically, and held if off politically.[7]

    In the intervening years, popular consensus has held that U.S.
    intelligence failed to predict the Soviet Union’s collapse. This has
    been challenged, with scholars pointing to remarkably predictive
    intelligence estimates that were not blind-sided by the “sudden” fall of this seemingly unbeatable adversary.[8]

    But the “Soviet permanence” school of thought persisted, and Meyer
    directly challenged it.

    Meyer remembered well certain elements of the memo, particularly the
    Cold War predictions. He also had not forgotten the memo’s reception.
    Within the intelligence community, there was a general feeling that
    Meyer had lost his mind. That was just the start of the backlash.

    The memo was leaked to syndicated columnists Evans & Novak, who devoted
    a column to it. There was subsequent uproar throughout Washington, which
    made Meyer very nervous. He was summoned to his boss’s office.

    “Herb, right now you’ve got the smallest fan club in Washington,” Bill Casey told him grimly. As Meyer turned pale, Casey laughed: “Relax. It’s
    me and the president.”[9]

    Meyer’s work earned him the National Intelligence Distinguished Service Medal.

    His stunningly accurate memo remains one of the best examples of
    predictive intelligence.

    Photo: “A woman reaches into her bag, which rests on a fallen Soviet hammer-and-sickle on a Moscow street in 1991.” The Fall of the Soviet
    Union in rare pictures, 1991

    Footnotes

    [1] Predicting the Soviet Collapse | National Review
    [2] A Tribute to Herb Meyer - Ricochet
    [3] https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/DOC_0000028820.pdf
    [4] https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/DOC_0000028820.pdf
    [5] Talking to My Grandma About Her 12 Abortions
    [6] Predicting the Soviet Collapse | National Review
    [7] https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/DOC_0000028820.pdf
    [8] https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/20080229.pdf
    [9] Predicting the Soviet Collapse | National Review

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    Jarred Dunn
    Studied History at The University of Texas at Austin June 17, 2019

    What were the most accurate predictions of all time?

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    https://militaryhistorynow.com/2017/03/15/storm-warnings-five-writers-that-predicted-the-horrors-of-ww1-with-uncanny-accuracy/

    Few saw that improvements in offensive weaponry, the repeating rifle,
    machine gun and breech-loading field artillery, would paradoxically make the defense nearly invulnerable. Europeans dismissed the evidence of trench
    warfare during the American Civil War which they considered to have been run
    by amateurs.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Petersburg

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  • From Stephen Harker@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Wed Oct 6 12:38:02 2021
    "Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> writes:

    https://militaryhistorynow.com/2017/03/15/storm-warnings-five-writers-that-predicted-the-horrors-of-ww1-with-uncanny-accuracy/

    Few saw that improvements in offensive weaponry, the repeating rifle,
    machine gun and breech-loading field artillery, would paradoxically
    make the defense nearly invulnerable. Europeans dismissed the evidence
    of trench warfare during the American Civil War which they considered
    to have been run by amateurs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Petersburg

    According to Anthony Price in the novel _Sion Crossing_ (1984), GFR
    Henderson (1854-1903), York and Lancaster Regiment, Oxford, Sandhurst,
    the Staff College in the 1890's made a specialty of the American Civil
    War. Fredericksburg, Grant in Northern Virginia and other work.
    Henderson saw the American Civil War as pointing to the things to come.

    Price says he could not quite believe his own evidence on small-arms
    fire or the end of cavalry. However, his work had an impact on the
    Staff College and their training.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Francis_Robert_Henderson

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Wed Oct 6 09:04:46 2021
    "Stephen Harker" wrote in message news:874k9vj5l1.fsf@netspace.net.au...

    "Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> writes:

    https://militaryhistorynow.com/2017/03/15/storm-warnings-five-writers-that-predicted-the-horrors-of-ww1-with-uncanny-accuracy/

    Few saw that improvements in offensive weaponry, the repeating rifle,
    machine gun and breech-loading field artillery, would paradoxically
    make the defense nearly invulnerable. Europeans dismissed the evidence
    of trench warfare during the American Civil War which they considered
    to have been run by amateurs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Petersburg

    According to Anthony Price in the novel _Sion Crossing_ (1984), GFR
    Henderson (1854-1903), York and Lancaster Regiment, Oxford, Sandhurst,
    the Staff College in the 1890's made a specialty of the American Civil
    War. Fredericksburg, Grant in Northern Virginia and other work.
    Henderson saw the American Civil War as pointing to the things to come.

    Price says he could not quite believe his own evidence on small-arms
    fire or the end of cavalry. However, his work had an impact on the
    Staff College and their training.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Francis_Robert_Henderson

    Stephen Harker sjharker@netspace.net.au
    was: http://sjharker.customer.netspace.net.au/
    now: http://members.iinet.net.au/~sjharker@netspace.net.au/
    or: http://members.iinet.net.au/~sjharker_nbn/

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    The US Civil War provided good examples of technology but not always of the best military practice. The South had mostly better leadership, the North
    the better weapons in quantity, including repeating rifles and better
    equipped and organized artillery. The North was also hindered tactically and strategically by political interference.

    Western warfare between Napoleon and WW1 displayed a disconnect between
    rapid technical advances and military thinking, substantially due to lack of practical experience between equally trained and equipped combatants, the
    same situation we face now. Compounding the problem was the great difficulty
    of designing and mass-producing simple and reliable repeating firearms that could handle the fouling of black powder or the extreme pressure and destructive temperature of the early smokeless. Modern steel wasn't widely available until the 1880's and the previous wrought iron was considerably weaker and subject to hidden defects. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armstrong_gun
    "in 1865 Britain reverted from breech-loading ordnance to muzzle-loading."
    Heat treating the steel to the strength and toughness required for guns was more art than science until the 20's.

    Each new unpleasant surprise brought a premature reassessment of how it
    could have been avoided, for example the Boer War prompted heavy, high
    powered infantry rifles effective to half a mile, though few troops could
    shoot accurately that far and the recoil was too great for controllable automatic fire from hand-held weapons the average soldier could easily carry and use.
    https://www.britannica.com/technology/Browning-automatic-rifle

    Hunters using similarly heavy double elephant rifles had gun bearers so
    their arms wouldn't be too tired to aim after a long stalk. The immediate answer for trench and urban combat was submachine guns that fired pistol cartridges, but their range was too short in open country. https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/11/10/odd-guns-mauser-m712-schnellfeuer-machine-pistol/

    Had WW1 lasted longer it would have seen the mid-sized compromise, the early assault rifles.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedorov_Avtomat
    They were essentially a full-auto version of the shorter, lighter, medium-powered carbines that cavalry had long carried instead of infantry rifles. They are short enough to rush through doorways and powerful enough
    to reach ranges where the average soldier may be accurate, with machine guns that fire more powerful infantry rifle cartridges covering the greater distances.

    Although machine guns had been introduced in the 1860's they weren't used effectively for offense until the 1905 war between Japan and Russia. Before that they were mounted on highly visible wheeled carriages where they were vulnerable to a well-equipped enemy with longer-ranged field artillery, or difficult to advance with an assault on native opponents (Moros, Sioux,
    Zulus etc) defending rough terrain. https://www.historynet.com/guns-custer-left-behind-burden.htm

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