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    From a425couple@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 5 09:44:59 2023
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    On 12/5/23 09:40, a425couple wrote:
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    Maryellen Reilly

    Fri
    A reboot of this share…….. Hey Rube!

    Roy Grumann was able to get the price of the Hellcat down to $35k …… there's a switch

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    L. Thomas Rouse
    Former Senior Chief Electronics Warfare Technician at United States Navy (USN)Updated 1y

    Did the Japanese forces suffer such horrific losses in the WWII
    “Marianas Turkey Shoot” air encounter due mainly to the American
    aircraft carriers advantage of being equipped with radar?

    Byron Arnason
    · Fri
    Nice article but a significant error, the new fuses did NOT employ RADAR
    which is an ElectroMagnetic WAVE phenomenon. Those marvelous fuses
    relied on a simpler, more rugged and more elementary MAGNETIC INDUCTIVE COUPLING methodology.

    The fuse would cause electrical currents to flow in the aluminum skin of
    the foe and the magnetic field caused by those currents would activate
    the fuse. Marvels of Vacuum Tube technology.

    NOT RADAR !

    Nearly as marvelous were the new “saturated magnetics” magnetometers
    which made sub hunting much easier. An unintended result of those new magnetometer surveys was the analysis of SEA FLOOR SPREADING and BINGO!
    PLATE TECTONICS.

    MAGNETRONS, RADAR, PENICILLIN, Saturated Magnetometers. These are all
    resulting blessings of deadly WAR.

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    John Boudrea
    · Sat
    True that.

    I only wish I could photograph the cool display about the Fuse that I
    walk past were I work, where it was developed (JHUAPL). Taking photos is prohibited on campus

    Duncan McDougall
    · Sun
    Wondering about that one … According to Wikipedia:

    “… Radio frequency sensing (radar) is the main sensing principle for artillery shells.

    The device described in World War II patent[63] works as follows: The
    shell contains a micro-transmitter which uses the shell body as an
    antenna and emits a continuous wave of roughly 180–220 MHz. As the shell approaches a reflecting object, an interference pattern is created …”

    Also, this might lead to a few issues with such aircraft as the RAF
    Hurricane and Mosquito, or the Italian SM79 Sparviero, which were mainly
    wooden construction so would not generate electrical currents.

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    Byron Arnason
    · Sun
    Yes, note that the Patent states that the transmitter emits a
    “continuous” signal. RADAR does NOT emit a “continuous” signal. RADAR emits very short high energy PULSES and records the two-way travel TIME
    for the reflected pulse to return to the shell.

    One of the biggest challenges of that development was that the xmitting
    antenna was ALSO the receiving antenna AT THE SAME TIME! It was truly
    amazing that they could make those FUSES work using vacuum tube
    technology, old carbon style batteries, with the shell spinning and
    speeding at thousands of feet per second.

    That development was NOT the result of sloppy contaminated laboratory
    work as in the case of Fleming's dirty petri dish. The best Electrical Engineering minds were focused on that FUSE development.

    It was so futuristic and innovative that, even when the Japanese and
    NAZIs discovered the FUSES, they thought it was an Allied Hoax.










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  • From a425couple@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Wed Dec 6 10:04:04 2023
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    On 12/5/23 10:33, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "a425couple"  wrote in message news:HgJbN.77269$%p%e.22022@fx43.iad...

    At the same time, The much-ballyhooed Zero had become obsolete, and by
    1944, American pilots had been thoroughly trained in its weaknesses and
    the tactics to defeat it. At the same time, American forces had fully deployed the F6F Hellcat, a vast improvement over its predecessor, the
    F4F Wildcat.

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    snip good stuff.

    Thus although Army planes kept improving the Navy was limited to
    slightly enhanced versions of the old Zero. Cooperation was so poor that
    the Army declined the Navy's request to provide air cover over the superbattleship Musashi and US planes sank it without opposition.

    Hmmm. Wonder why the common trend?

    This is reminiscent to me of the situation with the
    German Battleship Tirpitz. It was in a fjord in Norway,
    (actually settled on a squishy bottom)
    and for at least one of the many UK airplane raids
    to 'put her down', the German Luftwaffe fighter planes
    seemed to be unreasonably slow to try to protect.

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