• Re: Viktor Belenko, Who Defected to the West in a Jet Fighter, Dies at

    From danny burstein@21:1/5 to a425couple@hotmail.com on Wed Nov 29 18:50:53 2023
    XPost: sci.military.naval, soc.history.war.misc

    In <bwL9N.96964$Wzw6.82582@fx13.iad> a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> writes:

    A good one, I add two newsgroups--

    [snip]

    Reminds me of one of the greatest Diplomatic Uckfay You's that
    came about in this event. Note that I had read it back then,
    but have never been able to find later documention. So it
    sounded legit, but again...

    Anyway, as the reports had it, the Russians demanded that Japan
    return Belenko. Oh, and especially the plane.

    To which the Japanese replied that Belenko was being investigated
    for illegally entering the country, and the prosecution needed
    to hold onto the plane for evidence...


    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/18/world/europe/viktor-belenko-dead.html

    --
    _____________________________________________________
    Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key
    dannyb@panix.com
    [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded]

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From a425couple@21:1/5 to David P on Wed Nov 29 10:35:50 2023
    XPost: sci.military.naval, soc.history.war.misc

    A good one, I add two newsgroups--

    On 11/28/23 21:35, David P wrote:
    Viktor Belenko, Who Defected to the West in a Jet Fighter, Dies at 76
    By Clay Risen, Nov. 18, 2023, NY Times
    Lt. Belenko died on Sept. 24 at a senior center near Rosebud, a small town in Southern Illinois. He was 76. His son Paul Schmidt said his death, which was not widely reported at the time, came after a brief illness.

    Viktor Belenko was the flower of Communist youth. Born into proletarian poverty, he had worked himself up through the career and party ranks to become a member of the country’s elite Air Defense Forces, a separate branch from the Soviet Air Force
    that was charged with defending the motherland from attack.

    But along the way he became disillusioned with the Soviet system. He had been promised material rewards for his hard work; instead, despite his elite status, he felt he was being treated like an expendable cog in a creaking war machine.

    He kept his doubts to himself — so much so that in the early 70s he received the choicest of assignments: to train on the MiG-25, one of the Soviets’ newest weapons.

    Through the 50s and 60s, the U.S. and the U.S.S.R. had fought a high-altitude arms race, building bigger, faster bombers and reconnaissance aircraft. The United States had the upper hand, given the expanse of territory the Soviets had to defend.

    Then, in the early 70s, American intel agencies and their allies detected a new aircraft in the Soviet arsenal: an enormous fighter, capable of flying miles above the earth, several times faster than sound.

    The plane, which the North Atlantic Treaty Organization called the MiG-25 “Foxbat,” had something else: wide wings, suggesting that it was also highly maneuverable. This was the weapon the West had long feared, believing it was capable of taking
    down supersonic bombers and reconnaissance jets that had, until then, flown through Soviet airspace with impunity.

    Now Lt. Belenko was going to give them one as a gift.

    He had plotted his escape for months, waiting until he and his squadron went on an unarmed training mission over the Sea of Japan, putting him close to freedom and rendering his colleagues unable to stop him.

    After he landed, Japanese officials handed Lieutenant Belenko and his plane to the Americans. The plane was dissected and analyzed before being returned, in pieces, to the Soviets, a few weeks later. Lt. Belenko received asylum, then flew to the United
    States to be interviewed.

    The MiG-25 turned out to be a paper eagle. Its giant wingspan was not for maneuverability but simply to lift the plane and its 15 tons of fuel off the ground. It couldn’t even do its job: Though it flew fast, it was no match for the American aircraft
    it was meant to take down.

    Of great value, though, was what Lt. Belenko told the Americans about conditions and morale within the Soviet armed forces.

    American officials had long believed that Soviet military personnel were chiseled supermen. Lt. Belenko revealed that they were often half-starved and beaten down, forced into cramped living spaces and subject to sadistic punishment at the tiniest
    infraction.

    During a visit to a U.S. aircraft carrier, he was astonished that sailors were allowed unlimited amounts of food, at no cost. He once bought a can of cat food at a grocery store, not knowing it was for pets; when someone pointed out his error, he
    shrugged and said it still tasted better than the food sold for human consumption in the Soviet Union.

    And he was astounded to learn about the inadequacies of his aircraft’s inner workings, which, despite his elite status, he had never been allowed to see.

    “If my regiment could see five minutes of what I saw today,” he told a companion, “there would be a revolution.”

    Viktor Ivanovich Belenko was born on Feb. 15, 1947, in Nalchik, a Russian city in the foothills of the Caucasus Mountains.

    His father worked in a factory, his mother on a farm. Even by Soviet standards, they had very little money. But Viktor applied himself to his studies and to his Communist Party activities, becoming a member of the Young Pioneers, a youth group that
    trained future party members.

    He had little idea about life in America, except that it had to be better than what he encountered in the Soviet Union.

    “I've been longing for freedom in the U.S.,” the Japanese police quoted him saying. “Life in the Soviet Union has not changed from that existing in the days of Czarist Russia, where there had been no freedom.”

    Congress passed an act in 1980 to give Belenko citizenship. Eager to escape attention, he took the surname Schmidt and moved around often, mostly living in small towns across the Midwest. He worked as a consultant to aerospace companies and government
    agencies.

    His marriage to Coral Garaas ended in divorce. Along with his son Paul Schmidt, Belenko is survived by another son, Tom Schmidt, and four grands. Though some reports said he had left a wife and child behind in the Soviet Union, Belenko told his son
    that this was untrue and the result of Soviet propaganda.

    After the Cold War ended, he began to make occasional appearances at air shows and returned to calling himself Viktor Belenko. But he never sought to capitalize on his moment of international fame.

    “He lived the most private life,” his son Paul said. “He flew under the radar, literally and figuratively.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/18/world/europe/viktor-belenko-dead.html

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From danny burstein@21:1/5 to danny burstein on Wed Nov 29 21:47:17 2023
    XPost: sci.military.naval, soc.history.war.misc

    [Citation appended to end of my earlier post]

    In <uk816d$c4p$1@reader1.panix.com> danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> writes:

    In <bwL9N.96964$Wzw6.82582@fx13.iad> a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> writes:

    A good one, I add two newsgroups--

    [snip]

    Reminds me of one of the greatest Diplomatic Uckfay You's that
    came about in this event. Note that I had read it back then,
    but have never been able to find later documention. So it
    sounded legit, but again...

    Anyway, as the reports had it, the Russians demanded that Japan
    return Belenko. Oh, and especially the plane.

    To which the Japanese replied that Belenko was being investigated
    for illegally entering the country, and the prosecution needed
    to hold onto the plane for evidence...

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/18/world/europe/viktor-belenko-dead.html

    An acquaintance over at Panix found this NYT story which is
    pretty close to my recollection:

    https://www.nytimes.com/1976/09/22/archives/japanese-and-us-specialists-dismantl
    ing-mig25.html?searchResultPosition=18

    "Officially, the Japanese have kept a straight face on the issue of
    the MIG25, telling the Russians that they must keep the plane as long
    as necessary during an investigation into Lieutenant Belenko's
    violation of Japan's airspace, as well as the matter of damage to
    Japanese airport equipment when the plane ran off the Hakodate runway,
    and also the question of imposing an import duty on the
    multimillion - dollar plane."

    --
    _____________________________________________________
    Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key
    dannyb@panix.com
    [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded]

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 29 16:39:44 2023
    XPost: sci.military.naval, soc.history.war.misc

    "danny burstein" wrote in message news:uk816d$c4p$1@reader1.panix.com...

    In <bwL9N.96964$Wzw6.82582@fx13.iad> a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> writes:

    A good one, I add two newsgroups--

    [snip]

    Reminds me of one of the greatest Diplomatic Uckfay You's that
    came about in this event. Note that I had read it back then,
    but have never been able to find later documention. So it
    sounded legit, but again...

    Anyway, as the reports had it, the Russians demanded that Japan
    return Belenko. Oh, and especially the plane.

    To which the Japanese replied that Belenko was being investigated
    for illegally entering the country, and the prosecution needed
    to hold onto the plane for evidence...

    ----------------------------

    His book "MIG PILOT" is interesting for its perspective on Soviet life, and their clumsily propagandized misrepresentation of America, which he could
    see through. For instance a video of the poor in a New York slum showed the streets choked with parked cars, a barely attainable luxury for most
    Soviets.

    The MiG-25 that flew over Israel at Mach 3.2 reportedly needed a new engine when it landed. It was their best export seller, the world's hottest hot rod for dictators' sons.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Peter Stickney@21:1/5 to danny burstein on Thu Nov 30 07:00:05 2023
    XPost: sci.military.naval, soc.history.war.misc

    On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 21:47:17 -0000 (UTC), danny burstein wrote:

    [Citation appended to end of my earlier post]

    In <uk816d$c4p$1@reader1.panix.com> danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com>
    writes:

    In <bwL9N.96964$Wzw6.82582@fx13.iad> a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> >>writes:

    A good one, I add two newsgroups--

    [snip]

    Reminds me of one of the greatest Diplomatic Uckfay You's that came
    about in this event. Note that I had read it back then,
    but have never been able to find later documention. So it sounded
    legit, but again...

    Anyway, as the reports had it, the Russians demanded that Japan return >>Belenko. Oh, and especially the plane.

    To which the Japanese replied that Belenko was being investigated for >>illegally entering the country, and the prosecution needed to hold onto
    the plane for evidence...

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/18/world/europe/viktor-belenko-
    dead.html

    An acquaintance over at Panix found this NYT story which is pretty close
    to my recollection:

    https://www.nytimes.com/1976/09/22/archives/japanese-and-us-specialists-
    dismantl
    ing-mig25.html?searchResultPosition=18

    "Officially, the Japanese have kept a straight face on the issue of the MIG25, telling the Russians that they must keep the plane as long as necessary during an investigation into Lieutenant Belenko's violation of Japan's airspace, as well as the matter of damage to Japanese airport equipment when the plane ran off the Hakodate runway,
    and also the question of imposing an import duty on the multimillion -
    dollar plane."

    Returning the aircraft, or at least offering to return it in situations
    like this, or an emergency landing, is Standard Procedure.
    So, Belenko's MiG-25 was returned to the Soviets, after examination and analysis, of course, Disassembled, in crates, with a very detailed manual describing how to return it to flight status attached.


    --
    Peter Stickney
    Java Man knew nothing about coffee

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)