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    From a425couple@21:1/5 to All on Mon Nov 27 13:59:09 2023
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    Astronaut shares the profound 'big lie' he realized after seeing the
    Earth from space
    This change in perspective could change humanity.
    Tod Perry11.18.23
    earth, overview effect, ron garan
    via Rubén Moreno Montolíu/Flickr
    Our home, from space.

    Sixty-one years ago, Yuri Gagarin became the first human to make it into
    space and probably the first to experience what scientists now call the "overview effect." This change occurs when people see the world from far
    above and notice that it’s a place where “borders are invisible, where racial, religious and economic strife are nowhere to be seen.”

    The overview effect makes man’s squabbles with one another seem
    incredibly petty and presents the planet as it truly is, one
    interconnected organism.

    In a compelling interview with Big Think, astronaut, author and
    humanitarian Ron Garan explains how if more of us developed this
    planetary perspective we could fix much of what ails humanity and the
    planet.

    Garan has spent 178 days in space and traveled more than 71 million
    miles in 2,842 orbits. From high above, he realized that the planet is a
    lot more fragile than he thought.


    “When I looked out the window of the International Space Station, I saw
    the paparazzi-like flashes of lightning storms, I saw dancing curtains
    of auroras that seemed so close it was as if we could reach out and
    touch them. And I saw the unbelievable thinness of our planet's
    atmosphere. In that moment, I was hit with the sobering realization that
    that paper-thin layer keeps every living thing on our planet alive,”
    Garan said in the video.

    “I saw an iridescent biosphere teeming with life,” he continues. “I didn't see the economy. But since our human-made systems treat
    everything, including the very life-support systems of our planet, as
    the wholly owned subsidiary of the global economy, it's obvious from the vantage point of space that we're living a lie.”

    It was at that moment he realized that humanity needs to reevaluate its priorities.

    “We need to move from thinking economy, society, planet to planet,
    society, economy. That's when we're going to continue our evolutionary process,” he added.



    Garan says that we are paying a very “high price” as a civilization for
    our inability to develop a more planetary perspective and that it’s a
    big reason why we’re failing to solve many of our problems. Even though
    our economic activity may improve quality of life on one end, it’s also disasterous for the planet that sustains our lives.

    It’s like cutting off our nose to spite our face.

    Actor William Shatner had a similar experience to Garan's when he
    traveled into space.

    "It was among the strongest feelings of grief I have ever encountered,"
    Shatner wrote. "The contrast between the vicious coldness of space and
    the warm nurturing of Earth below filled me with overwhelming sadness.
    Every day, we are confronted with the knowledge of further destruction
    of Earth at our hands: the extinction of animal species, of flora and
    fauna … things that took five billion years to evolve, and suddenly we
    will never see them again because of the interference of mankind."

    “We're not going to have peace on Earth until we recognize the basic
    fact of the interrelated structure of all reality,” Garan said.

    However dire the situation looks from the surface of Earth, the
    astronaut has hope that we can collectively evolve in consciousness and
    wake up and embrace a larger reality. “And when we can evolve beyond a two-dimensional us versus them mindset, and embrace the true
    multi-dimensional reality of the universe that we live in, that's when
    we're going to no longer be floating in darkness … and it's a future
    that we would all want to be a part of. That's our true calling.”



    This article originally appeared on 12.16.22

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 28 11:41:21 2023
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    "a425couple" wrote in message news:Oi89N.36183$Ycdc.9022@fx09.iad...

    from
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    Astronaut shares the profound 'big lie' he realized after seeing the
    Earth from space
    This change in perspective could change humanity....

    -------------------------------------

    I might believe we are ready to change when I see laundry drying on clotheslines instead of by gas or electricity. I practice what they preach
    and it's definitely less convenient than the fully automated lifestyle we've become used to.

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  • From Daniel65@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Wed Nov 29 09:46:09 2023
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    Jim Wilkins wrote on 29/11/23 3:41 am:
    "a425couple"  wrote in message news:Oi89N.36183$Ycdc.9022@fx09.iad...

    from
    https://www.upworthy.com/astronaut-shares-big-lie-space-rp3

    Astronaut shares the profound 'big lie' he realized after seeing the
    Earth from space
    This change in perspective could change humanity....

    -------------------------------------

    I might believe we are ready to change when I see laundry drying on clotheslines instead of by gas or electricity. I practice what they
    preach and it's definitely less convenient than the fully automated
    lifestyle we've become used to.

    You need to focus your space-camera on my backyard, then. Clothes out on
    the line for a week or so .... yes, it has rained over the last couple
    of days!!

    An Extra-special final rinse, as I refer to it!! ;-)
    --
    Daniel

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  • From a425couple@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 28 15:28:46 2023
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    On 11/28/23 14:46, Daniel65 wrote:
    Jim Wilkins wrote on 29/11/23 3:41 am:
    "a425couple"  wrote in message news:Oi89N.36183$Ycdc.9022@fx09.iad...

    from
    https://www.upworthy.com/astronaut-shares-big-lie-space-rp3

    Astronaut shares the profound 'big lie' he realized after seeing the
    Earth from space
    This change in perspective could change humanity....

    -------------------------------------

    I might believe we are ready to change when I see laundry drying on
    clotheslines instead of by gas or electricity. I practice what they
    preach and it's definitely less convenient than the fully automated
    lifestyle we've become used to.

    You need to focus your space-camera on my backyard, then. Clothes out on
    the line for a week or so .... yes, it has rained over the last couple
    of days!!

    An Extra-special final rinse, as I refer to it!! ;-)

    I am afraid that leaving them out here in the rain in the
    Pacific Northwest would tend to get them moldy or mildewed.

    That would certainly qualify as "less convenient" !!

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  • From Daniel65@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 29 23:13:01 2023
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    a425couple wrote on 29/11/23 10:28 am:
    On 11/28/23 14:46, Daniel65 wrote:
    Jim Wilkins wrote on 29/11/23 3:41 am:
    "a425couple"  wrote in message news:Oi89N.36183$Ycdc.9022@fx09.iad...

    from
    https://www.upworthy.com/astronaut-shares-big-lie-space-rp3

    Astronaut shares the profound 'big lie' he realized after seeing the
    Earth from space
    This change in perspective could change humanity....

    -------------------------------------

    I might believe we are ready to change when I see laundry drying on
    clotheslines instead of by gas or electricity. I practice what they
    preach and it's definitely less convenient than the fully automated
    lifestyle we've become used to.

    You need to focus your space-camera on my backyard, then. Clothes out
    on the line for a week or so .... yes, it has rained over the last
    couple of days!!

    An Extra-special final rinse, as I refer to it!! ;-)

    I am afraid that leaving them out here in the rain in the
    Pacific Northwest would tend to get them moldy or mildewed.

    eewwwwe!!

    That would certainly qualify as "less convenient" !!

    Just as well I'm not there, then! ;-P
    --
    Daniel

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Wed Nov 29 07:38:09 2023
    XPost: alt.astronomy, alt.fan.heinlein

    "Daniel65" wrote in message news:uk5qjh$f2em$1@dont-email.me...

    Jim Wilkins wrote on 29/11/23 3:41 am:
    I might believe we are ready to change when I see laundry drying on clotheslines instead of by gas or electricity.
    You need to focus your space-camera on my backyard, then. Clothes out on
    the line for a week or so .... yes, it has rained over the last couple
    of days!!

    An Extra-special final rinse, as I refer to it!! ;-)
    --
    Daniel

    ------------------------

    I (re-)built a 4' wide roof extension over my back deck and hang laundry
    under it when the weather is questionable.
    4' is 1/2 of a standard 8' corrugated plastic or steel roofing panel. Polycarbonate panels are my preference for appearance, durability and
    relative quiet, though I use steel on sheds. I hinged it to the house so it hangs vertical while I screw on the panels from a stepladder, instead of
    having to climb onto it. Originally it had been nailed to a header on the soffit and had partly pulled loose from flexing under heavy snow loads, the hinges aren't affected. The supporting posts are also hinged to the deck handrail and roof beam, with loose pin hinges to make them easy to swing
    down to lower the roof to repair falling branch damage.

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  • From Daniel65@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Thu Nov 30 20:24:37 2023
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    Jim Wilkins wrote on 29/11/23 11:38 pm:
    "Daniel65" wrote in message news:uk5qjh$f2em$1@dont-email.me...

    Jim Wilkins wrote on 29/11/23 3:41 am:
    I might believe we are ready to change when I see laundry drying on
    < clotheslines instead of by gas or electricity.
    You need to focus your space-camera on my backyard, then. Clothes out
    on the line for a week or so .... yes, it has rained over the last
    couple of days!!

    An Extra-special final rinse, as I refer to it!! ;-)

    I (re-)built a 4' wide roof extension over my back deck and hang
    laundry under it when the weather is questionable.

    4' is 1/2 of a standard 8' corrugated plastic or steel roofing panel. Polycarbonate panels are my preference for appearance, durability and relative quiet, though I use steel on sheds. I hinged it to the house
    so it hangs vertical while I screw on the panels from a stepladder,
    instead of having to climb onto it. Originally it had been nailed to a header on the soffit and had partly pulled loose from flexing under
    heavy snow loads, the hinges aren't affected. The supporting posts are
    also hinged to the deck handrail and roof beam, with loose pin hinges
    to make them easy to swing down to lower the roof to repair falling
    branch damage.

    There's your problem .... get rid of the trees! No more falling branches!!
    --
    Daniel

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  • From Daniel65@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Thu Nov 30 23:43:44 2023
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    Jim Wilkins wrote on 30/11/23 11:18 pm:
    "Daniel65" wrote in message news:uk9kcn$1a9u8$1@dont-email.me...
    Jim Wilkins wrote on 29/11/23 11:38 pm:
    ...to lower the roof to repair falling branch damage.

    There's your problem .... get rid of the trees! No more falling
    branches!!

    I have been, five this fall for nearly $1000 each. Working close to
    the house, street and power lines required a -large- crane plus two
    log handlers which greatly increased the cost. I kept the oak trunks
    to saw into beams and boards and the larger branches for firewood.
    The largest section that the crane lifted weighs over 4000 Lbs, the
    lighter end of it is above the range of my 1000KG (2204 Lb) weighing
    scale. A neighbour's bucket loader could roll it but not lift one end.
    My 1-1/2 ton chain hoist was able to lift it onto timbers for the
    winter, one end at a time.

    Bloody hell!! Jim, what sort of neighbourhood do you live in?? Rural
    Country, I'm guessing! "A neighbour's bucket loader"!! Sure!! Everyone's neighbours got one of them in the back shed!! ;-P
    --
    Daniel

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  • From Peter Stickney@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 2 08:29:56 2023
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    On Thu, 30 Nov 2023 23:43:44 +1100, Daniel65 wrote:

    Jim Wilkins wrote on 30/11/23 11:18 pm:
    "Daniel65" wrote in message news:uk9kcn$1a9u8$1@dont-email.me...
    Jim Wilkins wrote on 29/11/23 11:38 pm:
    ...to lower the roof to repair falling branch damage.

    There's your problem .... get rid of the trees! No more falling
    branches!!

    I have been, five this fall for nearly $1000 each. Working close to
    the house, street and power lines required a -large- crane plus two
    log handlers which greatly increased the cost. I kept the oak trunks
    to saw into beams and boards and the larger branches for firewood.
    The largest section that the crane lifted weighs over 4000 Lbs, the lighter end of it is above the range of my 1000KG (2204 Lb) weighing scale. A neighbour's bucket loader could roll it but not lift one
    end.
    My 1-1/2 ton chain hoist was able to lift it onto timbers for the
    winter, one end at a time.

    Bloody hell!! Jim, what sort of neighbourhood do you live in?? Rural
    Country, I'm guessing! "A neighbour's bucket loader"!! Sure!! Everyone's neighbours got one of them in the back shed!! ;-P

    Mr. Wilkins is, or was (It's been a while) a resident of New Hampshire.
    The things we have the most of is rocks, trees, and water. Well, that, in ingenuity too. When I was still back up at home, calling up something
    like a Bucket Loader or 3 was no problem - or my Uncle's TD 25 with not
    only the loader, but a backhoe as well.
    Before I headed for Florida, I was right outside the largest city, (Manchester), with 12 acres and a beaver pond. I miss it.
    Now my youngest brother, he lives out in the woods, with a bear den on the other side of the stone wall behind his house.

    I know a guy back home who flies his DC-3 out of his back field - we
    always considered him a bit eccentric.

    Jim, are you still doing any battery stuff?


    --
    Peter Stickney
    Java Man knew nothing about coffee

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  • From David Lesher@21:1/5 to Peter Stickney on Thu Dec 14 15:19:28 2023
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    Peter Stickney <p_stickney@verizon.net> writes:


    Mr. Wilkins is, or was (It's been a while) a resident of New Hampshire.
    The things we have the most of is rocks, trees, and water.

    Err, you forgot the #1: mud....

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