• How would we know whether there is life on Earth?

    From a425couple@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 19 11:15:45 2023
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    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-03230-z

    ESSAY
    16 October 2023
    How would we know whether there is life on Earth? This bold experiment
    found out
    Thirty years ago, astronomer Carl Sagan convinced NASA to turn a passing
    space probe’s instruments on Earth to look for life — with results that still reverberate today.
    Alexandra Witze
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    First frame of the Galileo Earth spin movie, a 500- frame time-lapse
    motion picture.
    Anything down there? Earth as seen by the Galileo probe in 1990.Credit: NASA/JPL

    It began the way many discoveries do — a tickling of curiosity in the
    back of someone’s mind. That someone was astronomer and communicator
    Carl Sagan. The thing doing the tickling was the trajectory of NASA’s
    Galileo spacecraft, which had launched in October 1989 and was the first
    to orbit Jupiter. The result was a paper in Nature 30 years ago this
    week that changed how scientists thought about looking for life on other planets.

    The opportunity stemmed from a tragic mishap. Almost four years before Galileo’s launch, in January 1986, the space shuttle Challenger had
    exploded shortly after lift-off, taking seven lives with it. NASA
    cancelled its plans to dispatch Galileo on a speedy path to Jupiter
    using a liquid-fuelled rocket aboard another space shuttle. Instead, the
    probe was released more gently from an orbiting shuttle, with mission
    engineers slingshotting it around Venus and Earth so it could gain the gravitational boosts that would catapult it all the way to Jupiter.

    On 8 December 1990, Galileo was due to skim past Earth, just 960
    kilometres above the surface. The tickling became an itch that Sagan had
    to scratch. He talked NASA into pointing the spacecraft’s instruments at
    our planet. The resulting paper was titled ‘A search for life on Earth
    from the Galileo spacecraft’1.

    The outside view
    We are in a unique position of knowing that life exists on Earth. To use
    our own home to test whether we could discern that remotely was an extraordinary suggestion at the time, when so little was known about the environments in which life might thrive. “It’s almost like a science-fiction story wrapped up in a paper,” says David Grinspoon,
    senior scientist for astrobiology strategy at NASA’s headquarters in Washington DC. “Let’s imagine that we’re seeing Earth for the first time.”

    It came at a time, too, when the search for life elsewhere in the Solar
    System was at a low ebb. US and Soviet robotic missions in the 1960s and
    1970s had revealed that Venus — once thought to be a haven for exotic organisms — was hellishly hot beneath its dense clouds of carbon
    dioxide. Mars, crisscrossed by the ‘irrigation canals’ of astronomers’ imagination2, was a seemingly barren wasteland. In 1990, no one yet knew
    about the buried oceans that lay on Jupiter’s moon Europa — a discovery that Galileo would go on to make3 — or on Saturn’s moon Enceladus, both
    of which are now seen as potential cradles of extraterrestrial life.

    Crucially, Sagan and his collaborators took a deliberately agnostic
    approach to the detection of life, says astrobiologist Lisa Kaltenegger,
    who heads the Carl Sagan Institute at Cornell University in Ithaca, New
    York. “Of course he wants to find life, every scientist does,” she says. “But he says, let’s take that wish and be even more cautious — because
    we want to find it.” The existence of life was to be, in the words of
    the paper, the “hypothesis of last resort” for explaining what Galileo observed.

    But even through this veil of scepticism, the spacecraft delivered. High-resolution images of Australia and Antarctica obtained as Galileo
    flew overhead did not yield signs of civilization. Still, Galileo
    measured oxygen and methane in Earth’s atmosphere, the latter in ratios
    that suggested a disequilibrium brought about by living organisms. It
    spotted a steep cliff in the infrared spectrum of sunlight reflecting
    off the planet, a distinctive ‘red edge’ that indicates the presence of vegetation. And it picked up radio transmissions coming from the surface
    that were moderated as if engineered. “A strong case can be made that
    the signals are generated by an intelligent form of life on Earth,”
    Sagan’s team wrote, rather cheekily.

    A powerful control
    Karl Ziemelis, now chief physical sciences editor at Nature, handled the
    paper as a rookie editor. He says it remains one of his favourites — and
    one of the hardest to get in. Editorial approval for the paper was far
    from unanimous, because it was not obviously describing something new.
    But, according to Ziemelis, that was mostly beside the point. “It was an incredibly powerful control experiment for something that wasn’t really
    on many people’s radar at the time,” he says.

    “While the answer was known, it profoundly changed our way of thinking
    about the answer,” says Kaltenegger. Only by stepping back and regarding Earth as a planet like any other — perhaps harbouring life, perhaps not
    — can researchers begin to get a true perspective on our place in the Universe and the likelihood of life elsewhere, she says.

    This false color image of the Eastern Coast of Australia was obtained by
    the Galileo spacecraft, 1990.
    No sign of civilization in Australia.Credit: NASA/JPL

    It takes on a new importance given developments since the Galileo flyby.
    In 1990, no planets orbiting stars other than the Sun were known. It was another two years before astronomers conclusively reported the first ‘exoplanet’ orbiting a rotating dead star known as a pulsar4, and three years more before they found5 the first around a Sun-like star, 51
    Pegasi. Today, scientists know of more than 5,500 exoplanets, few of
    which look like anything in the Solar System. They range from ‘super-Earths’ with bizarre geologies and ‘mini-Neptunes’ with gassy atmospheres to ‘hot Jupiters’, huge planets whirling close to their
    blazing stars.

    When Sagan and his colleagues pointed Galileo at Earth, they invented a scientific framework for looking for signs of life on these other worlds
    — one that has permeated every search for such biosignatures since. Kaltenegger still gives Sagan’s paper to her students to show them how
    it is done. Life is the last, not first, inference to draw when seeing something unusual on another planet, she tells them. Extraordinary
    claims require extraordinary evidence.

    The right mix for life
    This lesson could not be more important today, as scientists stand on
    the verge of potentially revolutionary, and perhaps monumentally
    confusing, discoveries by the powerful James Webb Space Telescope
    (JWST). The telescope is just beginning its remote exploration of the atmospheres of dozens of exoplanets, hunting for the same sort of
    chemical disequilibrium that Galileo spotted in Earth’s atmosphere. It
    is already turning up early hints of biosignatures that might lead
    scientists and the public astray.

    For instance, JWST has sniffed out methane in the atmosphere of at least
    one planet. That gas is a powerful signature of life on Earth, but it
    can also come from volcanoes, no life required. Oxygen captures
    scientists’ attention because much of it is generated by life on Earth,
    but it can also be formed by light splitting apart molecules of water or
    carbon dioxide. Finding the right combination of methane and oxygen
    could indicate the presence of life on another planet — but that world
    needs to be located in a temperate zone, not too hot nor too cold.
    Getting the right mix of life-sustaining ingredients in a life-friendly environment is challenging, Kaltenegger says.

    The same is true for other intriguing mixes of atmospheric gases. Just
    last month, astronomers sifting through JWST data reported finding
    methane and carbon dioxide in the atmosphere of a large exoplanet called
    K2-18 b. They suggested that the planet might have water oceans covering
    its surface, and hinted at tantalizing detections of dimethyl sulfide, a compound that, on Earth, comes from phytoplankton and other living
    organisms6.

    Headlines ran wild, with news stories reporting possible signs of life
    on K2-18 b. Never mind that the presence of dimethyl sulfide was
    reported with low confidence and needed further validation. Nor that no
    water had actually been detected on the planet. And, even if water were present, it might be in an ocean so deep as to choke off all geological activity that could maintain a temperate atmosphere.

    Building evidence
    Challenges such as these led Jim Green, a former chief scientist at
    NASA, to propose a framework in 2021 for how to report evidence for life
    beyond Earth7. A progressive scale, from one to seven, for example,
    could help to convey the level of evidence for life in a particular
    discovery, he argues. Maybe you’ve got a signal that could result from biological activity — that would just be a one on the scale. You’d need
    to work through many more steps, such as ruling out contamination and
    acquiring independent evidence of the strength of that signal before you
    could get to level 7 and demonstrate a true discovery of life beyond Earth.

    It could take a long time. A telescope might sniff out an intriguing
    molecule, and scientists would argue about it. Another telescope might
    be built to work out the context of the observation. Each brick of
    evidence must be placed on top of another, each layer of mortar mixed
    through the arguments, scepticism and agnosticism of many, many
    scientists. And that’s assuming that life on another world resembles
    that on Earth — an assumption underlying the conclusions drawn from Galileo’s observations. “The uncertainty may last years or decades,” Grinspoon says. Sagan, who died in 1996, would have loved it.

    The same year that Galileo observed Earth, Sagan convinced NASA to point another spacecraft in a direction the agency had not been planning. As
    Voyager 1 raced past Neptune on its way out of the Solar System, it
    turned its cameras back towards Earth and photographed a tiny speck,
    gleaming in a sunbeam. This was the iconic Pale Blue Dot image that
    inspired Sagan to ruminate in his 1994 book Pale Blue Dot: “That’s here. That’s home. That’s us.”

    That fragile gleaming pixel reshaped how humanity visualizes its place
    in the Cosmos. So, too, did using Galileo to look for life on Earth,
    says Kaltenegger: “This is how we can use our pale blue dot to provide a template for the search for life on other planets.”

    Nature 622, 451-452 (2023)

    doi: https://doi.org/10.1038/d41586-023-03230-z

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 19 18:33:20 2023
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    "a425couple" wrote in message news:mneYM.22311$%WT8.14002@fx12.iad...

    How would we know whether there is life on Earth? This bold experiment
    found out

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    Lightning isn't the only natural process known to be capable of forming
    organic molecules. https://www.nasa.gov/science-research/earth-science/simulating-early-ocean-vents-shows-lifes-building-blocks-form-under-pressure/

    Detecting the spectra of molecules that hint at life may only indicate
    natural processes that might contribute to enabling it.

    Considering the distances, whether or not life exists elsewhere only matters
    if it's coming toward us.

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  • From a425couple@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Thu Oct 19 15:53:55 2023
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    On 10/19/23 15:33, Jim Wilkins wrote:


    "a425couple"  wrote in message news:mneYM.22311$%WT8.14002@fx12.iad...

    How would we know whether there is life on Earth? This bold experiment
    found out

    -----------------------

    Lightning isn't the only natural process known to be capable of forming organic molecules. https://www.nasa.gov/science-research/earth-science/simulating-early-ocean-vents-shows-lifes-building-blocks-form-under-pressure/

    Detecting the spectra of molecules that hint at life may only indicate natural processes that might contribute to enabling it.

    Considering the distances, whether or not life exists elsewhere only
    matters if it's coming toward us.


    I disagree.
    I think if we could ever know there is life outside
    our solar system would have a serious impact on us.
    It would change how we view the universe, and
    ourselves.

    More so, if we could ever really know there is
    intelligent life elsewhere, it would big time
    change our studies, our investments in space
    exploration, and communications.

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  • From Daniel65@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 20 19:38:45 2023
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    a425couple wrote on 20/10/23 9:53 am:
    On 10/19/23 15:33, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "a425couple"  wrote in message news:mneYM.22311$%WT8.14002@fx12.iad...

    How would we know whether there is life on Earth? This bold experiment
    found out

    -----------------------

    Lightning isn't the only natural process known to be capable of
    forming organic molecules.
    https://www.nasa.gov/science-research/earth-science/simulating-early-ocean-vents-shows-lifes-building-blocks-form-under-pressure/

    Detecting the spectra of molecules that hint at life may only indicate
    natural processes that might contribute to enabling it.

    Considering the distances, whether or not life exists elsewhere only
    matters if it's coming toward us.

    I disagree.
    I think if we could ever know there is life outside
    our solar system would have a serious impact on us.
    It would change how we view the universe, and
    ourselves.

    More so, if we could ever really know there is
    intelligent life elsewhere, it would big time
    change our studies, our investments in space
    exploration, and communications.

    ... and weaponry, as well. I mean if 'they' can get here, they'd surely
    be able to blow us to bits!! Unless 'we' took precautions! ;-P
    --
    Daniel

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  • From Whisper@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 20 19:36:29 2023
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    On 20/10/2023 9:53 am, a425couple wrote:
    On 10/19/23 15:33, Jim Wilkins wrote:


    "a425couple"  wrote in message news:mneYM.22311$%WT8.14002@fx12.iad...

    How would we know whether there is life on Earth? This bold experiment
    found out

    -----------------------

    Lightning isn't the only natural process known to be capable of
    forming organic molecules.
    https://www.nasa.gov/science-research/earth-science/simulating-early-ocean-vents-shows-lifes-building-blocks-form-under-pressure/

    Detecting the spectra of molecules that hint at life may only indicate
    natural processes that might contribute to enabling it.

    Considering the distances, whether or not life exists elsewhere only
    matters if it's coming toward us.


    I disagree.
    I think if we could ever know there is life outside
    our solar system would have a serious impact on us.
    It would change how we view the universe, and
    ourselves.

    More so, if we could ever really know there is
    intelligent life elsewhere, it would big time
    change our studies, our investments in space
    exploration, and communications.



    Probably not as big as you think. Yes it would be amazing to confirm
    this for a little while, but after that life would go on as normal.
    Why? Because we'll never communicate or visit them due to physical limitations. I know this ng conflates science fiction with reality, but
    that needs to be put aside as it's very silly, not helpful at all in a
    science group.

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Fri Oct 20 08:19:14 2023
    XPost: alt.astronomy, alt.fan.heinlein

    "a425couple" wrote in message news:8siYM.59305$sxoa.23210@fx13.iad...

    On 10/19/23 15:33, Jim Wilkins wrote:


    "a425couple" wrote in message news:mneYM.22311$%WT8.14002@fx12.iad...

    How would we know whether there is life on Earth? This bold experiment
    found out

    -----------------------

    Lightning isn't the only natural process known to be capable of forming organic molecules. https://www.nasa.gov/science-research/earth-science/simulating-early-ocean-vents-shows-lifes-building-blocks-form-under-pressure/

    Detecting the spectra of molecules that hint at life may only indicate natural processes that might contribute to enabling it.

    Considering the distances, whether or not life exists elsewhere only
    matters if it's coming toward us.


    I disagree.
    I think if we could ever know there is life outside
    our solar system would have a serious impact on us.
    It would change how we view the universe, and
    ourselves.

    More so, if we could ever really know there is
    intelligent life elsewhere, it would big time
    change our studies, our investments in space
    exploration, and communications.

    ---------------------------------

    We have to consider the cost of the search for life versus the benefits of finding extraterrestrial algae. It shouldn't divert significant funding or telescope time from programs like asteroid detection and defense.

    https://www.sjsu.edu/people/fred.prochaska/courses/ScWk170/s0/Basic-vs.-Applied-Research.pdf
    I encountered this debate while working toward my degree. A few professors tried to convince us that pure academic research without commercial value
    was the only ethical path, ignoring that it served only their job security instead of humanity in general. I did research on NSF summer grants and
    found it was like being the only person on earth, I slept during the day, worked 3rd shift in the lab until dawn and talked only to store clerks. Like Elon Musk I learned to live on $1 a day, two $0.50 jars of Seidner's Potato Salad or one plus the cut-off ends of deli meat.

    There was zero emphasis on working as a team, which was a large part of the reason I chose theatre for my required liberal arts electives. Putting on a show requires close coordination with people who may be very "different", as demonstrated by the musical "Kinky Boots" which is about drag queens and
    shoe factory workers. The dancers need high heels strong enough to support men's weight, the shoe factory needs a modernized product, so they are
    forced to get along.

    I'm currently reading Sir Stanley Hooker's autobiography "Not Much of an Engineer", which is about a pure mathematician, a computational fluid dynamicist, finding his place among the hands-on mechanical engineers and machinists in aircraft engine factories. Hooker's optimized supercharger was the main advantage of the Merlin over the Allison engine, which had been designed for a turbocharger before the Army discovered the plumbing for one wouldn't fit into a sleek single-engined fighter.

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