• Who could'of guessed??!! - private jet crashed in Russia - Prigozhin ?!

    From a425couple@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 23 13:22:34 2023
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    https://www.npr.org/2023/08/23/1195466126/russia-wagner-prigozhin-crash


    Russian officials say Wagner boss Prigozhin was on passenger list of jet
    that crashed
    August 23, 20231:58 PM ET
    By The Associated Press


    Yevgeny Prigozhin, the owner of the Wagner Group military company, looks
    from a military vehicle leaving an area of the HQ of the Southern
    Military District in a street in Rostov-on-Don, Russia, on June 24.
    AP
    MOSCOW (AP) — A private jet crashed in Russia on Wednesday, killing all
    10 people aboard, emergency officials said. Mercenary chief Yevgeny
    Prigozhin was on the passenger list, but it wasn't immediately clear if
    he was on board.

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    Prigozhin's fate has been the subject of intense speculation ever since
    he mounted a short-lived mutiny against Russia's military leadership in
    late June. The Kremlin said the founder of the Wagner private military
    company, which fought alongside Russia's regular army in Ukraine, would
    be exiled to Belarus.

    But the mercenary chief has since reportedly popped up in Russia,
    leading to further questions about his future.

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    A plane carrying three pilots and seven passengers that was en route
    from Moscow to St. Petersburg went down more than 100 kilometers (60
    miles) north of the capital, according to officials cited by Russia's
    state news agency Tass. It was not clear if Prigozhin was among those on
    board, though Russia's civilian aviation regulator, Rosaviatsia, said he
    was on the manifest.

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    Russia's state news agency RIA Novosti reported, citing emergency
    officials, that eight bodies were found at the site of the crash.

    Flight tracking data reviewed by The Associated Press showed a private
    jet registered to Wagner that Prigozhin had used previously took off
    from Moscow on Wednesday evening and its transponder signal disappeared
    minutes later.

    The signal was lost in a rural region with no nearby airfields where the
    jet could have landed safely.

    In an image posted by a pro-Wagner social media account showing burning wreckage, a partial tail number matching a private jet belonging to the
    company could be seen. The color and placement of the number on the
    engine of the crashed plane matches prior photos of the Wagner jet
    examined by The AP.

    This week, Prigozhin posted his first recruitment video since the
    mutiny, saying that Wagner is conducting reconnaissance and search
    activities, and "making Russia even greater on all continents, and
    Africa even more free."

    Also this week, Russian media reported, citing anonymous sources, that a
    top Russian general linked to Prigozhin — Gen. Sergei Surovikin — was dismissed from his position of the commander of Russia's air force.
    Surovikin, who at one point led Russia's operation in Ukraine, hasn't
    been seen in public since the mutiny, when he recorded a video address
    urging Prigozhin's forces to pull back.

    As the news about the crash was breaking, Russian President Vladimir
    Putin spoke at an event commemorating the Battle of Kursk, hailing the
    heroes of Russia's "the special military operation" in Ukraine.

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  • From a425couple@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 23 15:17:46 2023
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    On 8/23/23 13:22, a425couple wrote:
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    Russian officials say Wagner boss Prigozhin was on passenger list of jet
    that crashed
    August 23, 20231:58 PM ET
    By The Associated Press

    Well, as "The Blue Penguin" said on Quora on Jun 29

    Russian Invasion of Ukraine 2022 ·
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    The Blue Penguin
    Jun 29
    First off, these posters that say he’ll continue on, business as usual,
    with just a little relocation to Belarus… Anyone with military
    experience and a bit time to acclimate could run Wagner’s African and
    Middle Eastern ops no problem, and private militias are being absorbed
    at the beginning of July into the regular Russian government forces in
    any case in the Russian-Ukrainian theatre at least.

    These folks obviously haven’t followed Putin’s career, and in particular that “the traitor” looks to have had backing from at least some if not a majority of the Russian intelligence community, and military, too, as
    all these organizations would have been aware of Wagner gathering heavy
    weapons and a lot of ammo right across the border from Rostov-on-Don.
    That makes his treachery even worse, and him more dangerous. And if
    anyone thinks Putin has a habit of keeping his word, well, oy yoy yoy,
    they are obviously not Putin-watchers! I think a purge of the
    intelligence services at least is inevitable.

    Moving his billionaire caterer/warlord to Belarus was just to take him
    out as an immediate threat and isolate him from the bulk of his troops,
    as Putin has isolated others first in the past with those who’ve
    betrayed him, waiting patiently to take his revenge. But I don’t think he’ll be too patient now, for his target has a fan base in the Russian public.

    I’d be nervous if I was a high-ranking officer that got too close to
    Wagner ever. If Prigozhin’s living quarters were already dusted with polonium-210 (sp?) I wouldn’t be at all surprised, and that’s not hyperbolic, any jokes or exaggerations aside. It’s how Putin operates.
    He takes out personal enemies with poison, we’ve seen it again and again.

    As far as life expectancy, if Yevgeny’s eyes see the clock strike
    midnight as 2023 turns to 2024 I will be shocked. I’d bet money on him
    being murdered before the year is out. The peace agreement and amnesty
    were just to defuse the most pressing matters first for Putin.

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