• Interesting book "A Privilege to Die: Inside Hezbollah's Legions and Th

    From a425couple@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 14 16:45:24 2023
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    IMHO, a quite informative book.

    from https://www.amazon.com/Privilege-Die-Hezbollahs-Legions-Endless/dp/1439143617 rated as a 3.7 by Amazon

    "HOW HAS HEZBOLLAH, WHICH HAS NOW WON TWO WARS WITH ISRAEL, managed to
    become the most dynamic movement in the Islamic world, why do millions
    share its beliefs, and what do they want? The Islamic revolutionary
    movement has become the most powerful source of militancy in the Middle
    East, forging a mass following and global appeal. A Privilege to Die
    offers the first on-the-ground look at the men and women whose fervor
    has made Lebanon’s Party of God the gold standard for radical movements across the region and the world.

    Through deep and vivid portraits of those who do Hezbollah’s grassroots work—on the battlefields, in politics, in nightclubs, and with scout troops—Thanassis Cambanis, a veteran Middle-East correspondent, puts a
    human face on the movement that has ushered in a belligerent renaissance
    and inspired fighters in Gaza, the West Bank, Egypt, Iraq, and beyond.
    This riveting, remarkable narrative provides an urgent and important exploration of militancy in the Middle East.

    Reviews

    “Depressingly excellent… Lays out the near-brilliant way in which
    Hezbollah manages to be both the party of the downtrodden and the puppet
    of two of the area’s most retrograde dictatorships. Cambanis shows how
    the trick is pulled.”—Christopher Hitchens, Slate, author of Hitch-22
    and God Is Not Great

    “An indispensable guide to understanding the region’s most formidable extra-state actor. Cambanis skillfully pinpoints the reasons for
    Hezbollah’s political success. . . . In prose that is often eloquent yet earthy, indicative of scholarly erudition as well as a storyteller’s
    flair for capturing the complexities of human psychology, Cambanis
    describes the seemingly contradictory impulses he discovers.”
    —The Christian Science Monitor

    Top reviews from the United States
    Stuart M. Wilder
    5.0 out of 5 stars A readable book diplomats and intelligence officers,
    not to mention college professors, must read
    Reviewed in the United States on November 29, 2010
    Verified Purchase
    I will just second, and not repeat , what the two reviews preceding mine
    have said about this book. I want to add that Cambanis meets with the
    people he reports of in their homes, in their cafes; shares a water pipe
    with while he interviews them, asks those he meets and interviews harder questions than we are used to in today's era of friendly, non-offensive reporters, and most importantly, is not afraid to challenge conclusions
    he had reached and published earlier upon learning new facts or
    discovering he made a mistake. This book is worth one thousand written
    by pundits, Washington based reporters, intellectuals and cubicle based
    think tank wonks. Hezbollah at this moment is run by unabashedly racist
    men who know they can ruin everything by overreaching, made up of
    followers who are willing to risk their and their families' lives and
    limbs in the belief that their reward awaits them in the next world, by
    fellow travelers starved for leadership and a reason to participate in
    the affairs of their country, and by international sponsors who think
    nothing of threatening the death of millions of innocents. That our
    government behaves the way it does in the Middle East with the knowledge
    that this group that encourages its followers to believe in the coming
    of and work to bring on an Islamic Apocalypse, leaving its friends in
    Lebanon in the lurch, is just one of the truly astonishing revelations
    and insights of this remarkable, and readable (and well-edited) book.

    or

    https://www.foreignaffairs.com/reviews/capsule-review/2011-01-01/privilege-die-inside-hezbollahs-legions-and-their-endless-war

    Reviewed by L. Carl Brown
    January/February 2011
    Published on January 1, 2011
    In the summer of 2006, Israel launched a devastating incursion into
    Lebanon that badly mauled, but failed to knock out, Hezbollah. In the
    last days of 2008 and early 2009, Israel moved with equal fury against
    Hamas in Gaza, in a short war that Hezbollah opted to stay out of.
    Cambanis' intimate account of this recent history, enhanced by stories
    of a handful of Hezbollah's true believers and sympathizers, paints a
    gripping portrait of this radical religio-political movement. In an
    often discursive, largely first-person narrative, Cambanis presents an impressive organization, bearing the awesome title "Party of God," that
    is virtually a state within the state of Lebanon. Hezbollah provides
    social services. Its leaders live modestly and level with their
    followers, thereby earning the group tactical flexibility. Hezbollah
    proudly acknowledges receiving support from Iran and Syria and would be
    weaker without it, but the group is too deeply rooted in Lebanon to be
    the tool of any outsider. Cambanis stresses equally Hezbollah's radical militancy, which makes a more accommodating arrangement within Lebanon
    or vis-à-vis Israel unlikely to emerge. Indeed, a depressing theme of A Privilege to Die is the way that less organized, less fervent, and more
    corrupt moderates have lost out to radicals since the 1970s.
    Stay informed.
    Get the latest book reviews delivered bi-weekly.
    MORE BY L. CARL BROWN
    More:
    Middle East

    or

    https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/thanassis-cambanis/a-privilege-to-die/

    Hezbollah is a formidable presence that cannot be ignored, and
    Cambanis’s book, a well-balanced blend of journalism, history...

    If there’s anything to unite the Arab world, it’s opposition to Israel.
    If there’s a group to do that unifying, writers former Boston Globe
    Middle East bureau chief Cambanis, it’s the much-feared Hezbollah, the
    Party of God.

    Hezbollah, writes the author, makes for a complex, frightening enemy
    that has “put back into popular currency a notion that had lain in
    tatters since 1967: that Arab forces could do more than terrorize or
    harass Israel—they could defeat and destroy it.

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  • From Dean Markley@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 15 04:24:09 2023
    On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 7:45:26 PM UTC-4, a425couple wrote:
    IMHO, a quite informative book.

    from https://www.amazon.com/Privilege-Die-Hezbollahs-Legions-Endless/dp/1439143617
    rated as a 3.7 by Amazon

    "HOW HAS HEZBOLLAH, WHICH HAS NOW WON TWO WARS WITH ISRAEL, managed to become the most dynamic movement in the Islamic world, why do millions
    share its beliefs, and what do they want? The Islamic revolutionary
    movement has become the most powerful source of militancy in the Middle East, forging a mass following and global appeal. A Privilege to Die
    offers the first on-the-ground look at the men and women whose fervor
    has made Lebanon’s Party of God the gold standard for radical movements across the region and the world.

    Through deep and vivid portraits of those who do Hezbollah’s grassroots work—on the battlefields, in politics, in nightclubs, and with scout troops—Thanassis Cambanis, a veteran Middle-East correspondent, puts a human face on the movement that has ushered in a belligerent renaissance
    and inspired fighters in Gaza, the West Bank, Egypt, Iraq, and beyond.
    This riveting, remarkable narrative provides an urgent and important exploration of militancy in the Middle East.

    Reviews

    “Depressingly excellent… Lays out the near-brilliant way in which Hezbollah manages to be both the party of the downtrodden and the puppet
    of two of the area’s most retrograde dictatorships. Cambanis shows how
    the trick is pulled.”—Christopher Hitchens, Slate, author of Hitch-22 and God Is Not Great

    “An indispensable guide to understanding the region’s most formidable extra-state actor. Cambanis skillfully pinpoints the reasons for Hezbollah’s political success. . . . In prose that is often eloquent yet earthy, indicative of scholarly erudition as well as a storyteller’s
    flair for capturing the complexities of human psychology, Cambanis
    describes the seemingly contradictory impulses he discovers.”
    —The Christian Science Monitor

    Top reviews from the United States
    Stuart M. Wilder
    5.0 out of 5 stars A readable book diplomats and intelligence officers,
    not to mention college professors, must read
    Reviewed in the United States on November 29, 2010
    Verified Purchase
    I will just second, and not repeat , what the two reviews preceding mine have said about this book. I want to add that Cambanis meets with the
    people he reports of in their homes, in their cafes; shares a water pipe with while he interviews them, asks those he meets and interviews harder questions than we are used to in today's era of friendly, non-offensive reporters, and most importantly, is not afraid to challenge conclusions
    he had reached and published earlier upon learning new facts or
    discovering he made a mistake. This book is worth one thousand written
    by pundits, Washington based reporters, intellectuals and cubicle based think tank wonks. Hezbollah at this moment is run by unabashedly racist
    men who know they can ruin everything by overreaching, made up of
    followers who are willing to risk their and their families' lives and
    limbs in the belief that their reward awaits them in the next world, by fellow travelers starved for leadership and a reason to participate in
    the affairs of their country, and by international sponsors who think nothing of threatening the death of millions of innocents. That our government behaves the way it does in the Middle East with the knowledge that this group that encourages its followers to believe in the coming
    of and work to bring on an Islamic Apocalypse, leaving its friends in Lebanon in the lurch, is just one of the truly astonishing revelations
    and insights of this remarkable, and readable (and well-edited) book.

    or

    https://www.foreignaffairs.com/reviews/capsule-review/2011-01-01/privilege-die-inside-hezbollahs-legions-and-their-endless-war

    Reviewed by L. Carl Brown
    January/February 2011
    Published on January 1, 2011
    In the summer of 2006, Israel launched a devastating incursion into
    Lebanon that badly mauled, but failed to knock out, Hezbollah. In the
    last days of 2008 and early 2009, Israel moved with equal fury against
    Hamas in Gaza, in a short war that Hezbollah opted to stay out of.
    Cambanis' intimate account of this recent history, enhanced by stories
    of a handful of Hezbollah's true believers and sympathizers, paints a gripping portrait of this radical religio-political movement. In an
    often discursive, largely first-person narrative, Cambanis presents an impressive organization, bearing the awesome title "Party of God," that
    is virtually a state within the state of Lebanon. Hezbollah provides
    social services. Its leaders live modestly and level with their
    followers, thereby earning the group tactical flexibility. Hezbollah
    proudly acknowledges receiving support from Iran and Syria and would be weaker without it, but the group is too deeply rooted in Lebanon to be
    the tool of any outsider. Cambanis stresses equally Hezbollah's radical militancy, which makes a more accommodating arrangement within Lebanon
    or vis-à-vis Israel unlikely to emerge. Indeed, a depressing theme of A Privilege to Die is the way that less organized, less fervent, and more corrupt moderates have lost out to radicals since the 1970s.
    Stay informed.
    Get the latest book reviews delivered bi-weekly.
    MORE BY L. CARL BROWN
    More:
    Middle East

    or

    https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/thanassis-cambanis/a-privilege-to-die/

    Hezbollah is a formidable presence that cannot be ignored, and
    Cambanis’s book, a well-balanced blend of journalism, history...

    If there’s anything to unite the Arab world, it’s opposition to Israel. If there’s a group to do that unifying, writers former Boston Globe
    Middle East bureau chief Cambanis, it’s the much-feared Hezbollah, the Party of God.

    Hezbollah, writes the author, makes for a complex, frightening enemy
    that has “put back into popular currency a notion that had lain in
    tatters since 1967: that Arab forces could do more than terrorize or
    harass Israel—they could defeat and destroy it.

    I see two statements there that are difficult to agree with:

    1. "HOW HAS HEZBOLLAH, WHICH HAS NOW WON TWO WARS WITH ISRAEL" So they won two wars with Israel? That would be news to Israel and pretty much the rest of the world.

    2. "If there’s anything to unite the Arab world, it’s opposition to Israel" That may have been true prior to Egypt and Jordan making peace with Israel. It's definitely not true after the Abraham Accords and various other Arab countries recognizing
    Israel.

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  • From a425couple@21:1/5 to Dean Markley on Tue Aug 15 11:03:44 2023
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    On 8/15/23 04:24, Dean Markley wrote:
    On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 7:45:26 PM UTC-4, a425couple wrote:
    IMHO, a quite informative book.

    from
    https://www.amazon.com/Privilege-Die-Hezbollahs-Legions-Endless/dp/1439143617
    rated as a 3.7 by Amazon

    "HOW HAS HEZBOLLAH, WHICH HAS NOW WON TWO WARS WITH ISRAEL, managed to
    become the most dynamic movement in the Islamic world, why do millions
    share its beliefs, and what do they want? The Islamic revolutionary
    movement has become the most powerful source of militancy in the Middle
    East, forging a mass following and global appeal. A Privilege to Die
    offers the first on-the-ground look at the men and women whose fervor
    has made Lebanon’s Party of God the gold standard for radical movements
    across the region and the world.

    --------------------------

    Hezbollah, writes the author, makes for a complex, frightening enemy
    that has “put back into popular currency a notion that had lain in
    tatters since 1967: that Arab forces could do more than terrorize or
    harass Israel—they could defeat and destroy it.

    I see two statements there that are difficult to agree with:

    1. "HOW HAS HEZBOLLAH, WHICH HAS NOW WON TWO WARS WITH ISRAEL" So
    they won two wars with Israel? That would be news to Israel and pretty
    much the rest of the world.

    2. "If there’s anything to unite the Arab world, it’s opposition to
    Israel" That may have been true prior to Egypt and Jordan making peace
    with Israel. It's definitely not true after the Abraham Accords and
    various other Arab countries recognizing Israel.
    I agree. Those are difficult to agree with.
    But they do have valid considerations.

    Israel had established a security zone in south Lebanon.
    In August 2006 there was fighting.
    Generally we have seen Israel armed forces attack and opponents
    withdraw. Here Hezbollah fought, continued fighting, and
    gained strength and support.

    a source:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Lebanon_War

    "Hezbollah claimed the war was a "Divine Victory",[64] while
    Israel considered the war a failure and a missed opportunity."
    Israel Defense Forces:
    Killed: 121 killed
    Wounded: 1,244 [17]
    20[18] tanks damaged beyond repair (from ATGMs and IEDs)[19][20]
    1 helicopter shot down, 3 lost in accidents[21][22][23][24]
    1 corvette damaged[25][26] Israeli civilians:
    Killed: 44 [27] [28]
    Wounded: 1,384 [29]

    Yes, in 1978, the Camp David Accords produced a peace.
    The Egyptian military would not be a threat to Israel.
    And then Jordan joined.
    So the big organized militaries would not attack Israel.
    And trade has been steadily increasing.
    I had great optimism and encouragement from the Abraham
    Accords.
    But, even if no large bordering military will attack Israel,
    is a true and lasting peace at hand?
    How can a true and lasting peace endure, when the vast majority
    of citizens hate what is going on?

    I appreciated seeing people in the tourist industry in Egypt in
    2022 wearing Camp David tee shirts.
    So, Egypt is the biggest nearby country.
    We appreciated Saddat. We also appreciated Mubarak.
    But face reality, They were military dictators and certainly
    Mubarak was cruel and greedy. He was overthrown.
    Egypt had an election. They voted in power a leader
    of the Muslim Brotherhood (the #2 vote earner was even MORE
    hard core 'anti-Jew'). Disaster was starting to descend
    and the military again took over. The Egyptian Army, Air Force,
    and Navy KNOW they do not want to go to war with Israel.

    Yes, we can have hope and optimism about El Sisi.
    But certainly he is a military dictator.
    IS he greedy?????

    But sadly, many in his country are against him, and Israel.
    When it was just I and my wife, and our tourist guide and
    driver, we could go pretty freely.
    When we had grown to a full tourist bus, we had to have
    a plain clothes police Capt. and an officer up front.
    And leading our bus was a police car with 2 / 3 / 4 officers.
    and following was a king cab pick up with 4 officers and
    a machine gun sticking out the tail gate window.
    And the roads had regular police / military armed check points.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_David_Accords

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Accords

    I, like Winston Churchill, and Harry Truman consider myself
    a Friend of Zion. But there is currently no easy peace
    in that area of the world.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Friends_of_Zion_Museum

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