• Declassified - Golda Meir considered Palestinian statehood

    From a425couple@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 1 11:19:56 2023
    XPost: soc.history.war.misc, sci.military.naval

    from https://www.timesofisrael.com/declassified-protocols-indicate-golda-meir-considered-palestinian-statehood/

    Declassified protocols indicate Golda Meir considered Palestinian statehood Documents show that former prime minister gave serious thought to
    possibility of formation of a Palestinian entity, despite public comments
    By TOI STAFF
    31 July 2023, 10:56 pm
    20
    Israeli premier Golda Meir, during a press conference at the Israeli
    embassy in Rome, Italy, on January 15, 1973. (AP Photo/ Giuseppe Anastasi)

    Former prime minister Golda Meir considered the possibility of the
    formation of a Palestinian state alongside Israel three years after the
    Six Day War, protocols published by Haaretz on Monday show, shedding new
    light on the premier who famously said, “There’s no such thing as Palestinians.”

    Last month, the Israel State Archives declassified top secret
    transcriptions of a meeting Meir held in October 1970 with senior
    ministers, including defense minister Moshe Dayan and education minister
    Yigal Allon, in which the possibility of a Palestinian state was discussed.

    “It will be necessary to leave the Arabs of Judea and Samaria an option
    to earn self-determination at a later stage, if and when it suits us,”
    Meir said at the start of the meeting. “In other words, there will be
    another country [alongside Israel].”

    Binary Options Fraud - ToI journalist Simona Weinglass' story
    Pause
    Next playlist item
    Unmute
    Picture-in-Picture
    Fullscreen
    Close

    Meir did say she viewed such a possibility as drastic. She also noted
    that she did not care what the name of the country would be.

    The protocol shows that Meir considered potential political arrangements
    for a Palestinian state: as a state that is member to a confederation
    with Israel, Jordan, or both, or as a completely independent country.
    However, the prime minister seemed troubled by these scenarios, saying
    that such arrangements would be created in order to destroy Israel.


    Interestingly, the meeting took place just weeks following “Black September,” the month-long conflict between the Palestinian Liberation Organization and the Jordanian kingdom that saw the PLO banished to
    Lebanon and brought to one of its historical low points. Nevertheless,
    Meir said that “if [PLO chief Yasser Arafat] becomes prime minister of Jordan, we will negotiate with him. Arafat as the head of a terrorist organization — no. But if he becomes head of a government that he’ll represent as a Palestinian, then fine.”

    Meir, who throughout her career refused to recognize the Palestinians’
    right to self-determination, also said at the meeting that she had
    become “open-minded on the issue, even though [my mind] closed right
    after the Six Day War, but I’m ready to reopen my mind and listen if there’s a hint of a hint of a hint of hope of there being a small state
    in Judea and Samaria, and maybe Gaza.”


    Then-Israeli foreign minister Golda Meir arrives in Nairobi for an
    official diplomatic visit in 1963, with an El Al plane in the
    background; as posted on Open Sea. (Courtesy)
    The protocol continues with a discussion of the details of a potential Palestinian state, with the prime minister completely rejecting the idea
    of Jerusalem serving as the capital of such a nation. Meir explained
    that the Israeli War of Independence allowed Israel to offer minimal concessions in case of negotiations with the Palestinians.

    “Why is Jaffa less Palestinian than any other place? And that was in
    their land. Will we give it to them? I’m prepared to go pray and to
    thank God that they declared war against us in 1948,” she said. “How
    would we have lived with it? I don’t know, but in the end, it was not us
    that declared war.”

    Like Meir, the other ministers were receptive, but highly cautious
    regarding the idea, with Allon saying that no “Balfour Declaration”
    should be made on the subject — a reference to the 1917 statement in
    which the British government announced its support for the founding of a “Jewish home” in Ottoman-ruled Mandatory Palestine.

    “I don’t suggest encouraging a Palestinian state,” the former Palmach commander said. “Rather, in the long term, a peace contract that will
    keep options open.”

    Notably, Allon also said that the existence of the Palestinian people
    was “not up to me and not up to Golda Meir. If they see themselves as Palestinians, then we can say 1,000 times they’re not, but they will
    remain [Palestinians] regardless.”

    Yisrael Galili, a minister without portfolio, said: “I’ve felt for a
    while, and recently with greater intensity, that what we call ‘the Palestinian problem’ is starting to bother, morally and politically, the
    best of our people, including commanders, major generals, and all who
    carry the IDF on their back.

    “This shows that the problem isn’t something that was imported here, but rather it has an origin, it isn’t artificial.”

    Following a long political career in which she served as labor minister
    and foreign minister, Meir served as Israel’s fourth prime minister from
    1969 to 1974. She resigned due to public criticism following the 1973
    Yom Kippur War and died in 1978.

    A biopic on Meir, “Golda,” is set to be released in August. It focuses
    on Meir’s conduct throughout the Yom Kippur War. Meir is played by Helen Mirren.

    Since you care about Israel...
    ... now is the time to act. The Times of Israel is committed to Israel
    as a Jewish and democratic state, and independent journalism provides an essential protection for democratic equality. If you share these values
    with us, please consider supporting our work by joining The ToI Community.

    YES, I CARE ABOUT ISRAEL
    Already a member? Sign in to stop seeing this
    MOST POPULAR
    Demonstrators wave large Israeli flags during a protest against the
    Netanyahu government's overhaul of the judicial system, outside the
    Knesset in Jerusalem, on Monday, July 24, 2023, as parliament passed the 'reasonableness' law. (AP/Ohad Zwigenberg)1
    The wounded Jewish psyche and the divided Israeli soul
    Screen capture from video of the launch of Israeli-made satellite
    DS-SAR, constructed for Singapore and launched from India, July 30,
    2023. (YouTube/used in accordance with Clause 27a of the Copyright Law)2 Israeli-built satellite blasts into space for Singaporean customers
    (L) Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, May
    19, 2023. (Saudi Press Agency via AP); (C) Prime Minister Benjamin
    Netanyahu in Jerusalem (Alex Kolomoisky/Pool/Flash90); (L) US President
    Joe Biden on November 2, 2022 in Washington, DC (Michael A. McCoy /
    GETTY IMAGES NORTH AMERICA / Getty Images via AFP)3
    Potential Saudi deal would require ‘significant concessions’ to Palestinians – report
    Uriel Sadeh was a biotech engineer before moving to the idyllic Thai
    island of Ko Pha Ngan. (Ruth Mason)4
    Tired of Israel’s ‘pressure cooker,’ 100s of families lay new roots in Thailand
    An anti-overhaul protest in Tel Aviv on July 29, 2023. (Amir Goldstein)5 ‘Damage is enormous’: Over 200,000 at first weekend rallies since
    overhaul law passed
    Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, right, welcomes US President Joe
    Biden to Al-Salam Palace in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, July 15, 2022. (Bandar Aljaloud/Saudi Royal Palace via AP, File)6
    Potential Saudi-Israel normalization could see Palestinians thrown under
    the bus
    Illustrative: Yeshiva students study at the Mir Brachfeld yeshiva in
    Modi'in Ilit on August 26, 2018. (Aharon Krohn/Flash90)7
    Cabinet to discuss siphoning NIS 164 million from ministries to fund
    yeshiva students
    An Israeli Air Force UH-60 Black Hawk flies during a demonstration at a graduation ceremony for new IAF pilots, at the Hatzerim Air Base in the
    Negev desert, June 29, 2023. (Emanuel Fabian/Times of Israel)8
    Helicopter pilots’ course said shortened after volunteer instructors
    refuse to show up

    joe
    21 hours ago
    Doesn't matter... the Arabs would have just continued saying NO, like
    they have been since the birth of Islam circa 630 CE.


    imlang
    18 hours ago
    The PLO changed their charter in 1968 after the Six Day War to state
    that they no longer wanted Judea and Samaria, the West Bank, for a
    state, they wanted all of Israel. Therefore, there is no way they would
    have accepted the state suggested by Golda Meir.

    chazhoosier
    21 hours ago
    The question today, from the Israeli side, has become whether Israel
    would ever give full rights and self-determination to Palestinians in
    the ever distant possibility of them laying down arms and pledging peace forever. Unfortunately it is not at all clear that Israel would ever
    give Palestinians freedom. Dhimmitude is all Israel would offer, and
    that is no peace plan at all.

    And yes, Palestinian terrorism is bad.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)