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    From a425couple@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 26 11:30:19 2023
    XPost: alt.astronomy

    OK. I'll admit, I'm confused by this.
    They say it's a " “gravity hole” in the Indian Ocean — a spot
    where Earth’s gravitational pull is weaker, its mass is lower
    than normal, and the sea level dips".
    If the pull is weaker, why does not the water bulge out?


    from https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/24/world/gravity-hole-geoid-low-indian-ocean-scn/index.html

    There is a ‘gravity hole’ in the Indian Ocean, and scientists now think they know why
    Jacopo Prisco
    By Jacopo Prisco, CNN
    Updated 10:33 AM EDT, Mon July 24, 2023

    In 2011, GOCE delivered a model of the 'geoid' pictured here. At the
    time, it was the most accurate ever produced. The colours in the image represent deviations in height (--100 m to +100 m) from an ideal geoid.
    The blue shades represent low values and the reds/yellows represent high values.
    The sea level dips by over 328 feet (100 meters) in a "gravity hole"
    first discovered in 1948. Today, scientists hypothesize that the hole in
    the Indian Ocean was shaped by plumes of magma coming from deep inside
    the planet, according to a new study.
    ESA/HPF/DLR
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    There is a “gravity hole” in the Indian Ocean — a spot where Earth’s gravitational pull is weaker, its mass is lower than normal, and the sea
    level dips by over 328 feet (100 meters).

    This anomaly has puzzled geologists for a long time, but now researchers
    from the Indian Institute of Science in Bengaluru, India, have found
    what they believe is a credible explanation for its formation: plumes of
    magma coming from deep inside the planet, much like those that lead to
    the creation of volcanoes.

    To come to this hypothesis, the team used supercomputers to simulate how
    the area could have formed, going as far back as 140 million years. The findings, detailed in a study published recently in the journal
    Geophysical Research Letters, center around an ancient ocean that no
    longer exists.

    A disappearing ocean
    Humans are used to thinking about Earth as a perfect sphere, but that’s
    far from the truth.

    “The Earth is basically a lumpy potato,” said study coauthor Attreyee Ghosh, a geophysicist and associate professor at the Centre for Earth
    Sciences of the Indian Institute of Science. “So technically it’s not a sphere, but what we call an ellipsoid, because as the planet rotates the
    middle part bulges outward.”

    Our planet is not homogeneous in its density and its properties, with
    some areas being more dense than others — that affects Earth’s surface
    and its gravity, Ghosh added. “If you pour water on the surface of the
    Earth, the level that the water takes is called a geoid — and that is controlled by these density differences in the material inside the
    planet, because they attract the surface in very different ways
    depending on how much mass there is underneath,” she said.

    The “gravity hole” in the Indian Ocean — officially called the Indian Ocean geoid low — is the lowest point in that geoid and its biggest gravitational anomaly, forming a circular depression that starts just
    off India’s southern tip and covers about 1.2 million square miles (3
    million square kilometers). The anomaly was discovered by Dutch
    geophysicist Felix Andries Vening Meinesz in 1948, during a gravity
    survey from a ship, and has remained a mystery.

    Earth core structure. Elements of this image furnished by NASA
    Hidden molten rock layer found beneath Earth's tectonic plates
    “It is by far the biggest low in the geoid, and it hasn’t been explained properly,” Ghosh said.

    To find a potential answer, Ghosh and her colleagues used computer
    models to set the clock back 140 million years in order to see the big
    picture, geologically. “We have some information and some confidence
    about what the Earth looked like back then,” she said. “The continents
    and the oceans were in very different places, and the density structure
    was also very different.”

    From that starting point, the team ran 19 simulations up to the present
    day, recreating the shifting of tectonic plates and the behavior of
    magma, or molten rock, inside the mantle — the thick layer of Earth’s interior that lies between the core and the crust. In six of the
    scenarios, a geoid low similar to the one in the Indian Ocean formed.

    The distinguishing factor in all six of these models was the presence of
    plumes of magma around the geoid low, which along with mantle structure
    in the vicinity are believed to be responsible for the formation of the “gravity hole,” Ghosh explained. The simulations were run with different parameters of density for the magma, and in those in which the plumes
    were not present, the low did not form.

    The plumes themselves originated from the disappearance of an ancient
    ocean as India’s landmass drifted and eventually collided with Asia tens
    of millions of years ago, Ghosh said.

    “India was in a very different place 140 million years ago, and there
    was an ocean between the Indian plate and Asia. India started moving
    north and as it did, the ocean disappeared and the gap with Asia
    closed,” she explained. As the oceanic plate went down inside the
    mantle, it could have spurred the formation of the plumes, bringing
    low-density material closer to Earth’s surface.


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    The future of the geoid low
    The geoid low formed around 20 million years ago, according to the
    team’s calculation. It’s hard to say whether it will ever disappear or shift away.

    “That all depends on how these mass anomalies in the Earth move around,” Ghosh said. “It could be that it persists for a very long time. But it
    could also be that the plate movements will act in such a way to make it disappear — a few hundreds of millions of years in the future.”

    Aerial view of Downtown Chicago River.
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    Huw Davies, a professor in the School of Earth and Environmental
    Sciences at Cardiff University in the UK, said the research is
    “certainly interesting, and describes interesting hypotheses, which
    should encourage further work on this topic.” Davies was not involved
    with the study.

    Dr. Alessandro Forte, a professor of geology at the University of
    Florida in Gainesville who was also not involved with the study,
    believes there is good reason to carry out computer simulations to
    determine the origin of the Indian Ocean geoid low, and that this study
    is an improvement over earlier ones. Past research only simulated the
    descent of cold material across the mantle, rather than including hot
    rising mantle plumes as well.

    However, Forte said he found a couple flaws in the study’s execution.

    “The most outstanding problem with the modeling strategy adopted by the authors is that it completely fails to reproduce the powerful mantle
    dynamic plume that erupted 65 million years ago under the present-day
    location of Réunion Island,” he said. “The eruption of lava flows that covered half of the Indian subcontinent at this time — producing the celebrated Deccan Traps, one of the largest volcanic features on Earth —
    have long been attributed to a powerful mantle plume that is completely
    absent from the model simulation.”

    Another issue, Forte added, is the difference between the geoid, or
    surface shape, predicted by the computer simulation and the actual one: “These differences are especially noticeable in the Pacific Ocean,
    Africa and Eurasia. The authors mention that there is a moderate
    correlation, around 80%, between the predicted and observed geoids, but
    they don’t provide a more precise measure of how well they match
    numerically (in the study). This mismatch suggests that there may be
    some deficiencies in the computer simulation.”

    Terra Bella, CA - October 14: Matt Davis's company drills a 1300 feet
    deep well in an orchard at Setton Farms on Thursday, Oct. 14, 2021 in
    Terra Bella, CA. (Irfan Khan / Los Angeles Times via Getty Images)
    Humans pump so much groundwater that Earth’s axis has shifted, study finds Ghosh said that not every possible factor can be accounted for in the simulations.

    “That’s because we do not know with absolute precision what the Earth looked like in the past. The farther back in time you go, the less
    confidence there is in the models. We cannot take into account each and
    every possible scenario and we also have to accept the fact that there
    may be some discrepancies on how the plates moved over time,” she said. “But we believe the overall reason for this low is quite clear.”

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  • From Dean Markley@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 27 04:28:30 2023
    On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 2:30:28 PM UTC-4, a425couple wrote:
    OK. I'll admit, I'm confused by this.
    They say it's a " “gravity hole” in the Indian Ocean — a spot
    where Earth’s gravitational pull is weaker, its mass is lower
    than normal, and the sea level dips".
    If the pull is weaker, why does not the water bulge out?


    from https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/24/world/gravity-hole-geoid-low-indian-ocean-scn/index.html

    There is a ‘gravity hole’ in the Indian Ocean, and scientists now think they know why
    Jacopo Prisco
    By Jacopo Prisco, CNN
    Updated 10:33 AM EDT, Mon July 24, 2023

    In 2011, GOCE delivered a model of the 'geoid' pictured here. At the
    time, it was the most accurate ever produced. The colours in the image represent deviations in height (--100 m to +100 m) from an ideal geoid.
    The blue shades represent low values and the reds/yellows represent high values.
    The sea level dips by over 328 feet (100 meters) in a "gravity hole"
    first discovered in 1948. Today, scientists hypothesize that the hole in
    the Indian Ocean was shaped by plumes of magma coming from deep inside
    the planet, according to a new study.
    ESA/HPF/DLR
    Editor’s Note: Sign up for CNN’s Wonder Theory science newsletter. Explore the universe with news on fascinating discoveries, scientific advancements and more.

    CNN

    There is a “gravity hole” in the Indian Ocean — a spot where Earth’s gravitational pull is weaker, its mass is lower than normal, and the sea level dips by over 328 feet (100 meters).

    This anomaly has puzzled geologists for a long time, but now researchers from the Indian Institute of Science in Bengaluru, India, have found
    what they believe is a credible explanation for its formation: plumes of magma coming from deep inside the planet, much like those that lead to
    the creation of volcanoes.

    To come to this hypothesis, the team used supercomputers to simulate how
    the area could have formed, going as far back as 140 million years. The findings, detailed in a study published recently in the journal
    Geophysical Research Letters, center around an ancient ocean that no
    longer exists.

    A disappearing ocean
    Humans are used to thinking about Earth as a perfect sphere, but that’s far from the truth.

    “The Earth is basically a lumpy potato,” said study coauthor Attreyee Ghosh, a geophysicist and associate professor at the Centre for Earth Sciences of the Indian Institute of Science. “So technically it’s not a sphere, but what we call an ellipsoid, because as the planet rotates the middle part bulges outward.”

    Our planet is not homogeneous in its density and its properties, with
    some areas being more dense than others — that affects Earth’s surface and its gravity, Ghosh added. “If you pour water on the surface of the Earth, the level that the water takes is called a geoid — and that is controlled by these density differences in the material inside the
    planet, because they attract the surface in very different ways
    depending on how much mass there is underneath,” she said.

    The “gravity hole” in the Indian Ocean — officially called the Indian Ocean geoid low — is the lowest point in that geoid and its biggest gravitational anomaly, forming a circular depression that starts just
    off India’s southern tip and covers about 1.2 million square miles (3 million square kilometers). The anomaly was discovered by Dutch
    geophysicist Felix Andries Vening Meinesz in 1948, during a gravity
    survey from a ship, and has remained a mystery.

    Earth core structure. Elements of this image furnished by NASA
    Hidden molten rock layer found beneath Earth's tectonic plates
    “It is by far the biggest low in the geoid, and it hasn’t been explained properly,” Ghosh said.

    To find a potential answer, Ghosh and her colleagues used computer
    models to set the clock back 140 million years in order to see the big picture, geologically. “We have some information and some confidence
    about what the Earth looked like back then,” she said. “The continents and the oceans were in very different places, and the density structure
    was also very different.”

    From that starting point, the team ran 19 simulations up to the present
    day, recreating the shifting of tectonic plates and the behavior of
    magma, or molten rock, inside the mantle — the thick layer of Earth’s interior that lies between the core and the crust. In six of the
    scenarios, a geoid low similar to the one in the Indian Ocean formed.

    The distinguishing factor in all six of these models was the presence of plumes of magma around the geoid low, which along with mantle structure
    in the vicinity are believed to be responsible for the formation of the “gravity hole,” Ghosh explained. The simulations were run with different parameters of density for the magma, and in those in which the plumes
    were not present, the low did not form.

    The plumes themselves originated from the disappearance of an ancient
    ocean as India’s landmass drifted and eventually collided with Asia tens of millions of years ago, Ghosh said.

    “India was in a very different place 140 million years ago, and there
    was an ocean between the Indian plate and Asia. India started moving
    north and as it did, the ocean disappeared and the gap with Asia
    closed,” she explained. As the oceanic plate went down inside the
    mantle, it could have spurred the formation of the plumes, bringing low-density material closer to Earth’s surface.


    More humans have visited the moon than the bottom of the ocean
    01:31 - Source: CNN
    The future of the geoid low
    The geoid low formed around 20 million years ago, according to the
    team’s calculation. It’s hard to say whether it will ever disappear or shift away.

    “That all depends on how these mass anomalies in the Earth move around,” Ghosh said. “It could be that it persists for a very long time. But it could also be that the plate movements will act in such a way to make it disappear — a few hundreds of millions of years in the future.”

    Aerial view of Downtown Chicago River.
    ‘Underground climate change’ is deforming the ground beneath buildings, study finds
    Huw Davies, a professor in the School of Earth and Environmental
    Sciences at Cardiff University in the UK, said the research is
    “certainly interesting, and describes interesting hypotheses, which
    should encourage further work on this topic.” Davies was not involved
    with the study.

    Dr. Alessandro Forte, a professor of geology at the University of
    Florida in Gainesville who was also not involved with the study,
    believes there is good reason to carry out computer simulations to
    determine the origin of the Indian Ocean geoid low, and that this study
    is an improvement over earlier ones. Past research only simulated the descent of cold material across the mantle, rather than including hot
    rising mantle plumes as well.

    However, Forte said he found a couple flaws in the study’s execution.

    “The most outstanding problem with the modeling strategy adopted by the authors is that it completely fails to reproduce the powerful mantle
    dynamic plume that erupted 65 million years ago under the present-day location of Réunion Island,” he said. “The eruption of lava flows that covered half of the Indian subcontinent at this time — producing the celebrated Deccan Traps, one of the largest volcanic features on Earth — have long been attributed to a powerful mantle plume that is completely absent from the model simulation.”

    Another issue, Forte added, is the difference between the geoid, or
    surface shape, predicted by the computer simulation and the actual one: “These differences are especially noticeable in the Pacific Ocean,
    Africa and Eurasia. The authors mention that there is a moderate correlation, around 80%, between the predicted and observed geoids, but
    they don’t provide a more precise measure of how well they match numerically (in the study). This mismatch suggests that there may be
    some deficiencies in the computer simulation.”

    Terra Bella, CA - October 14: Matt Davis's company drills a 1300 feet
    deep well in an orchard at Setton Farms on Thursday, Oct. 14, 2021 in
    Terra Bella, CA. (Irfan Khan / Los Angeles Times via Getty Images)
    Humans pump so much groundwater that Earth’s axis has shifted, study finds Ghosh said that not every possible factor can be accounted for in the simulations.

    “That’s because we do not know with absolute precision what the Earth looked like in the past. The farther back in time you go, the less confidence there is in the models. We cannot take into account each and every possible scenario and we also have to accept the fact that there
    may be some discrepancies on how the plates moved over time,” she said. “But we believe the overall reason for this low is quite clear.”

    The remainder of the Earth's mass surrounding the "hole" is pulling the water away. Or maybe easier to visualize: The higher mass directly opposite (other side of Earth, the antipode) the "hole" is pulling the water down. It is counterintuitive but it
    is almost like an internal Earth tide.

    Dean

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