• A Quora - Chinese looting HMS Prince of Wales and HMS Repulse

    From a425couple@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 2 09:13:24 2023
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    G. Keith Jacobs
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    What is the value of a sunken warship?
    Ask the Chinese…..! Based on their efforts since the beginning of 2023
    in the South China Sea, apparently a lot.

    Read this recent news:

    An illegal Chinese salvage operation is raiding two United Kingdom World
    War II warship wrecks off the coast of Malaysia for scrap steel,
    aluminum and brass fittings, prompting a statement of concern from the
    Royal Navy, USNI News has learned.

    Chuan Hong 68 used a large dredging crane to pluck scrap from the wrecks
    of battleship HMS Prince of Wales (52) and battlecruiser HMS Repulse,
    according to local press reports. Both were sunk on on Dec. 10, 1941,
    days after Pearl Harbor, by Japanese bombers, resulting in the loss of
    840 sailors.

    Professional diver Hazz Zain flagged the illicit commercial operation
    local authorities after local fisherman spotted the dredger over the
    wreck sites, reported the New Straits Timesthis week.

    The illegal salvage has thrown a sharp spotlight on how vulnerable
    historic heritage sites are to thieves intent on plundering war graves,
    the director general of the Museum of the Royal Navy said in a Tuesday statement.

    “What we need is a management strategy for the underwater naval heritage
    so that we can better protect or commemorate these ships. That may
    include targeted retrieval of objects,” Dominic Tweddle said.
    “If resourced correctly, the existing Royal Navy loss list can be
    enhanced to be a vital tool to begin to understand, research and manage
    over 5,000 wrecks before they are lost forever.”

    The wreckage site is in the extended economic zone of Malaysia.
    Authorities there told news organizations they are investigating the
    reported looting of the two ships and the discovery of material in a
    beachside scrap yard that could have been from them.

    The battleship is resting upside down in 223 feet of water near Kuantan
    in the South China Sea. The wreckage of the battlecruiser is several
    miles away.

    News reports from the U.K. and Australia say salvage vessel Chuan Hong
    68 was dredging with a deep-reach crane for the “high-quality steel”
    used to build the two warships. The steel could be smelted for other
    uses. The value comes from the steel’s production before the use of
    nuclear weapons and testing and is important for use in manufacturing
    some scientific and medical equipment.

    The salvage vessel has been operating in the region since early this
    year, new agencies reported.

    British news organization have often reported about previous illegal
    dredging of this site and others for steel, copper and specially
    manufactured propellers. For example, The Guardian reported six years
    ago that at least 40 vessels have been destroyed in these operations.

    In addition to the British warships, the same waters off Indonesia and Singapore contain wreckage sites of 40 Australian, Dutch and Japanese
    warships and merchantmen that have already been destroyed.

    New Straits Times reported that Chuan Hong 68 “is also wanted by
    Indonesian authorities for plundering the remains of sunken Dutch
    warships HNLMS De Ruyter, HNLMS Java and HNLMS Kortenaer in the Java Sea.”

    The U.S. Navy has also expressed concern over its own wrecks in the
    Western Pacific. To the south, cruiser USS Houston (CA-30) and
    Australian warship HMAS Perth sank a few months after Prince of Wales
    and Repulse during the Battle of Sunda Strait on March 1, 1942. More
    than 650 U.S. sailors and Marines died when Houston sank, and more than
    350 died when Perth sank.

    The U.S. and Australia have worked with Indonesia to preserve the sites
    as war graves, USNI News has reported.

    Five years ago, the U.K. Ministry of Defense was so concerned over the
    illegal dredging of wreckage sites, scavenging and looting that it
    dispatched a task force of survey vessels to the region to investigate
    the wrecks’ status. The ministry said then it would also monitor the
    water by satellite to keep track of activity near the sites.

    “We are upset at the loss of naval heritage and the impact this has on
    the understanding of our Royal Navy history,” Twiddle said.


    Illegal salvage earlier this year over the suspected site.


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  • From kozelsm@yahoo.com@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 2 22:06:18 2023
    On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 12:13:27 PM UTC-4, a425couple wrote:
    G. Keith Jacobs
    ·
    Follow
    Military analyst & writer since 1980 - Academia.edu. Tue
    What is the value of a sunken warship?
    Ask the Chinese…..! Based on their efforts since the beginning of 2023
    in the South China Sea, apparently a lot.

    Read this recent news:

    An illegal Chinese salvage operation is raiding two United Kingdom World
    War II warship wrecks off the coast of Malaysia for scrap steel,
    aluminum and brass fittings, prompting a statement of concern from the
    Royal Navy, USNI News has learned.

    Chuan Hong 68 used a large dredging crane to pluck scrap from the wrecks
    of battleship HMS Prince of Wales (52) and battlecruiser HMS Repulse, according to local press reports. Both were sunk on on Dec. 10, 1941,
    days after Pearl Harbor, by Japanese bombers, resulting in the loss of
    840 sailors.

    Professional diver Hazz Zain flagged the illicit commercial operation
    local authorities after local fisherman spotted the dredger over the
    wreck sites, reported the New Straits Timesthis week.

    The illegal salvage has thrown a sharp spotlight on how vulnerable
    historic heritage sites are to thieves intent on plundering war graves,
    the director general of the Museum of the Royal Navy said in a Tuesday statement.

    “What we need is a management strategy for the underwater naval heritage so that we can better protect or commemorate these ships. That may
    include targeted retrieval of objects,” Dominic Tweddle said.
    “If resourced correctly, the existing Royal Navy loss list can be
    enhanced to be a vital tool to begin to understand, research and manage
    over 5,000 wrecks before they are lost forever.”

    The wreckage site is in the extended economic zone of Malaysia.
    Authorities there told news organizations they are investigating the reported looting of the two ships and the discovery of material in a beachside scrap yard that could have been from them.

    The battleship is resting upside down in 223 feet of water near Kuantan
    in the South China Sea. The wreckage of the battlecruiser is several
    miles away.

    News reports from the U.K. and Australia say salvage vessel Chuan Hong
    68 was dredging with a deep-reach crane for the “high-quality steel” used to build the two warships. The steel could be smelted for other
    uses. The value comes from the steel’s production before the use of nuclear weapons and testing and is important for use in manufacturing
    some scientific and medical equipment.

    The salvage vessel has been operating in the region since early this
    year, new agencies reported.

    British news organization have often reported about previous illegal dredging of this site and others for steel, copper and specially manufactured propellers. For example, The Guardian reported six years
    ago that at least 40 vessels have been destroyed in these operations.

    In addition to the British warships, the same waters off Indonesia and Singapore contain wreckage sites of 40 Australian, Dutch and Japanese warships and merchantmen that have already been destroyed.

    New Straits Times reported that Chuan Hong 68 “is also wanted by Indonesian authorities for plundering the remains of sunken Dutch
    warships HNLMS De Ruyter, HNLMS Java and HNLMS Kortenaer in the Java Sea.”

    The U.S. Navy has also expressed concern over its own wrecks in the
    Western Pacific. To the south, cruiser USS Houston (CA-30) and
    Australian warship HMAS Perth sank a few months after Prince of Wales
    and Repulse during the Battle of Sunda Strait on March 1, 1942. More
    than 650 U.S. sailors and Marines died when Houston sank, and more than
    350 died when Perth sank.

    The U.S. and Australia have worked with Indonesia to preserve the sites
    as war graves, USNI News has reported.

    Five years ago, the U.K. Ministry of Defense was so concerned over the illegal dredging of wreckage sites, scavenging and looting that it dispatched a task force of survey vessels to the region to investigate
    the wrecks’ status. The ministry said then it would also monitor the
    water by satellite to keep track of activity near the sites.

    “We are upset at the loss of naval heritage and the impact this has on
    the understanding of our Royal Navy history,” Twiddle said.


    Illegal salvage earlier this year over the suspected site.


    HMS_Prince_of_Wales_and_HMS_Repulse_underway_with_a_destroyer_on_10_December_1941_HU_2762.jpg

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