Do you know if the crash site of Luna 15 has been found? It was a Soviet unmanned lander meant to steal the glory of the US moon landing, but
instead it failed and was kept secret from the public, though not from
NASA and radio telescope operators.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luna_15
Do you know if the crash site of Luna 15 has been found? It was a Soviet unmanned lander meant to steal the glory of the US moon landing, but
instead it failed and was kept secret from the public, though not from
NASA and radio telescope operators.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luna_15
"a425couple" wrote in message news:yUsbM.3209712$iS99.1491496@fx16.iad...
On 5/24/23 09:28, Jim Wilkins wrote:
Do you know if the crash site of Luna 15 has been found? It was a
Soviet unmanned lander meant to steal the glory of the US moon
landing, but instead it failed and was kept secret from the public,
though not from NASA and radio telescope operators.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luna_15
Interesting.
I also note,
"The simultaneous missions became one of the first instances of Soviet–American space communication: the Soviet Union released Luna 15's flight plan to ensure it would not collide with Apollo 11, although its
exact mission was not publicized."
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Yet idiots still deny we went there.
Yet idiots still deny we went there [moon].
"a425couple" wrote in message news:VAwbM.3435175$9sn9.41396@fx17.iad...
On 5/24/23 14:57, Jim Wilkins wrote:
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Yet idiots still deny we went there [moon].
Yes,,, but it seems to me they are less, and certainly less
vocal about it.
So we have the telescope pictures of the various Apollo
landing sites, with the lander base, astronaut footprints
and lunar rover tire tracks all around, I think most
people believe.
"a425couple" wrote in message news:VAwbM.3435175$9sn9.41396@fx17.iad...
On 5/24/23 14:57, Jim Wilkins wrote:
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Yet idiots still deny we went there [moon].
Yes,,, but it seems to me they are less, and certainly less
vocal about it.
So we have the telescope pictures of the various Apollo
landing sites, with the lander base, astronaut footprints
and lunar rover tire tracks all around, I think most
people believe.
"Whisper" wrote in message news:646f7877$1@news.ausics.net...
On 25/05/2023 9:41 pm, Jim Wilkins wrote:
"a425couple" wrote in message news:VAwbM.3435175$9sn9.41396@fx17.iad...
On 5/24/23 14:57, Jim Wilkins wrote:
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Yet idiots still deny we went there [moon].
Yes,,, but it seems to me they are less, and certainly less
vocal about it.
So we have the telescope pictures of the various Apollo
landing sites, with the lander base, astronaut footprints
and lunar rover tire tracks all around, I think most
people believe.
You need to accept that most people are very simple and stupid.
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I would be more charitable and say they aren't trained in critical
thinking, such as distinguishing cause from effect (chicken/egg). By
third grade I noticed the teachers closely followed their scripts and couldn't handle deviations from it, such as my questions. The science teachers taught us to think for ourselves, most of the liberal arts ones
had us memorize accepted dogma. Fortunately I has excellent, open-minded
high school history teachers including the one Christa McAuliffe
replaced. They taught me much of what I post here.
Elon Musk's Twitter page calls out CNN's horror at uncontrolled free
speech and thought:
CNN: "Twitter, which once offered a platform for democratic movements in
the Arab Spring, has been transformed by its new owner into a febrile
circus of untamed free speech, conspiracy theories and unverifiable information."
Just like real life.
Few people have the hands-on welding or blacksmithing experience to know how soft and weak red-hot steel is and might believe it had to melt for the WTC to collapse. That led to the bogus thermite theories, since a normal fire is 1000 degrees too cool to melt steel. I've straightened a truck coil spring by hand after heating it to 700 degrees below melting in a forge fire. You can see for yourself by heating a straightened paper clip red hot over a candle.
Few people have the hands-on welding or blacksmithing experience to know
how
soft and weak red-hot steel is and might believe it had to melt for the
WTC
to collapse. That led to the bogus thermite theories, since a normal fire
is
1000 degrees too cool to melt steel. I've straightened a truck coil spring
by hand after heating it to 700 degrees below melting in a forge fire. You can see for yourself by heating a straightened paper clip red hot over a candle.
"koz...@yahoo.com" wrote in message news:7d9a9192-c80d-479d...@googlegroups.com...
On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 7:41:20 AM UTC-4, Jim Wilkins wrote:
Few people have the hands-on welding or blacksmithing experience to know how
soft and weak red-hot steel is and might believe it had to melt for the WTC
to collapse. That led to the bogus thermite theories, since a normal fire is
1000 degrees too cool to melt steel. I've straightened a truck coil spring by hand after heating it to 700 degrees below melting in a forge fire. You can see for yourself by heating a straightened paper clip red hot over a candle.
How about the photo of what looks like molten metal coming out of the side of the building? Someone showed that to me and said that it proved that thermite
was in use because steel melts at about 2,500 degrees F.
That was the first time I saw that photo and it took me about 10 seconds to say
"aluminum." Melts at about 1,150 degrees F which is the temperature of ordinary
combustibles (wood, paper, dried paint, carpet, plastic, etc.).
It also looked like the molten aluminum I saw in shop class foundry in 9th grade.
Glowing with a whitish-reddish look.
Lots of aluminum in the planes and the buildings themselves. -------------------------
Molten aluminum is at the threshold of barely glowing, indoor lighting may obscure it. Molten steel on the other hand glows almost like the sun, a welder needs shade 5 goggles with acetylene, shade 10-11 for arc welding to safely and clearly see and control the molten puddle. The blacksmithing instructor advised me not to stare too long at steel at yellow heat, around 2000-2200F. That's also the hottest I can read with a type K thermocouple in the flame of a propane torch. The instant steel comes out of the forge flame into the air it becomes covered with black oxide.
Molten aluminum is at the threshold of barely glowing, indoor lighting may obscure it. Molten steel on the other hand glows almost like the sun,
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