• Kinzhal Missile Makers 'Deceived' Putin, Says Ukrainian Ex-Intel Chief

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    Kinzhal Missile Makers 'Deceived' Putin, Says Ukrainian Ex-Intel Chief
    BY ELLIE COOK ON 5/22/23 AT 6:37 AM EDT

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    The developers of Russia's hypersonic Kinzhal (Dagger) missile program "deceived" Russian President Vladimir Putin, according to the former
    chief of Ukraine's foreign intelligence service.

    Mykola Malomuzh, who led Ukraine's foreign intelligence service until
    2010, told Ukrainian media that the developers had touted the missile as
    a "superweapon," but that its effectiveness had failed to live up to the
    hype. Its capabilities have also been questioned by Western analysts.

    This comes after the Kremlin said earlier in May that three scientists
    who worked on the Kinzhal missile system's development faced "very
    serious accusations," but declined to provide further information at the
    time.

    In an open letter published online, the colleagues of Anatoly Maslov,
    Alexander Shiplyuk and Valery Zvegintsev protested the arrests of "three outstanding aerodynamic scientists."

    Russian MiG-31 Jets with Kinzhals
    Russian MiG-31 supersonic jets carrying hypersonic Kinzhal (Dagger)
    missiles fly over Red Square during the Victory Day military parade in
    Moscow on May 9, 2018. The missiles have been touted as impossible to
    intercept by Russia but Kyiv said it has shot down several of the
    hypersonic weapons this month.
    KIRILL KUDRYAVTSEV/AFP VIA GETTY IMAGES
    The letter from the members of Siberia's Khristianovich Institute of Theoretical and Applied Mechanics in the city of Novosibirsk said the
    three men had been arrested on suspicion of high treason. Shiplyuk was
    arrested in August 2022 and Maslov was detained by Russian authorities
    back in June, according to Russian state media.

    Zvegintsev's arrest wasn't previously reported, but took place on April
    7, according to Reuters, citing local media.

    Separately, Russian physicist Dmitry Kolker, another scientist from
    Novosibirsk who was arrested in Siberia last summer on treason charges, reportedly died from terminal cancer in Moscow after being transported
    from his hospital bed by the Russian security service.

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    "The whole society was shocked and outraged" by his death, the open
    letter said.

    The Kinzhal hypersonic missile system has been touted by Putin as
    "unrivaled in the world." Russia has said the air-launched missile, also
    known by its NATO designation of "Killjoy," can accelerate to ten times
    the speed of sound and has a range in excess of 2,000 kilometers, or
    1,250 miles. However, Western experts have questioned the Kinzhal's capabilities, and its designation as a hypersonic weapon.

    Earlier this month, Ukraine's military said it had successfully shot
    down six Kinzhals fired in an overnight barrage. Kyiv had previously
    said it had intercepted a Kinzhal using a U.S.-made Patriot air defense
    system, which Russia denied.

    Malomuzh said the scientists were arrested after a Kinzhal strike failed
    to cause the damage it was expected to.

    The Kinzhal's developers "clearly positioned" the Kinzhal to be a
    "superweapon that does not exist," Malomuzh said in an interview
    published on Monday, adding they "actually deceived Putin."

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    complete failure," Malomuzh told Ukrainian outlet TSN. "Therefore, the
    fate of these Daggers' developers will also end in complete failure,
    because they undermined the strategic basis of Russia's combat
    capability," Malomuzh added.

    Newsweek has reached out to the Russian Defense Ministry and the
    Khristianovich Institute for comment via email.

    In their open letter, the three scientists' colleagues said they "know
    each of them as a patriot and a decent person who is not capable of
    doing what the investigating authorities suspect them of."

    "We are not only afraid for the fate of our colleagues," the open letter continued. "We just do not understand how to continue to do our job."

    The Kinzhal was unveiled back in 2018 by Putin as part of a package of
    advanced weapons, and Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said in
    August 2022 that the missile had shown off its "brilliant
    characteristics" in Ukraine.

    A truly hypersonic missile would be very difficult for air defenses to intercept, military expert David Hambling previously told Newsweek, but stressed that "all the indications are the Kinzhal is simply an
    air-launched ballistic missile" with a limited course-correction capacity.

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    OldWarriorFella
    1 day ago

    A Ruzzian weapon that doesn't work as advertised. Whoever heard of such
    a thing? I am just amazed that Ukraine is so able to use Ruzzian weapons effectively while, in the hands of the Ruzzian soldier, they become junk.

    I'm reasonably certain that the scientists mostly wanted very badly for
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    Don P
    1 day ago

    We don't have one in production yet but at least we can be sure that our prototype will actually do what it's supposed to when production
    actually starts. Putin bragged about having a hyper sonic missile which frightened the US and forced us to speed up our research. Now we have
    one that actually w...

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    A couple of thoughts
    1 day ago

    The Kinzhal hypersonic missile system has been touted by Putin as
    "unrivaled in the world."

    So was his army, and his navy. Soon we will find out the same about his
    nuclear capacity. And wait a little longer to find out that RuSSia isn't
    even a real country.


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    Michael B Maxwell
    1 day ago

    "RuSSia isn't even a real country." That would truly be ironic, given
    that Putin has claimed that Ukraine isn't a real country. Two years ago
    I wouldn't have cared, but now I look forward to the dismantling of the
    Russian empire in the same way that the Soviet Union dismantled itself.


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    JimK
    1 day ago

    Can you imagine the discussion between Putin, Medvedev, Lavrov, Shoigu
    and any of the other clowns involved when they decided to break out
    these missiles? They know they're losing the war and these things were
    supposed to be their ace in the hole. It had to be a serious discussion
    to finally break ...

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    Mydog Hasfleas
    1 day ago

    Also, can you further imagine if Putin decides to use nukes and they are
    also easily shot down, or otherwise fail. That would tell the world that
    Russia is toothless and has nothing to rely on except their incompetent military.


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    Don P
    1 day ago

    The scientist were arrested before the missiles were shot down.


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    99%
    1 day ago

    This is what happens when everyone is stealing everything, all the way
    down the food chain.


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    FabricatorGeneral
    1 day ago

    This is what happens when your only options in life are "tell the
    dictator what he wants to hear" or "learn to skydive without a parachute"


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    Wyrd
    1 day ago

    We know that Kinzhal is a hypersonic for a variety of reasons The real
    take away is that the PATRIOT system is better than expected. China
    is shaking in their boot because they know the SM-3 and SM-6 are far
    more capable than the PAC-3 Chinese DF-27 hyper sonic missiles don't
    stand a chance a...

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    FabricatorGeneral
    1 day ago

    There's a reason hypersonics were dropped by most Western military R&D departments in favor of stealth capability. For the most part they were
    an overly specialized, overpriced tool that fit a very narrow niche. All
    the speed in the world is only going to help so much before the weapon
    starts deali...

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    Bunker Runt™
    1 day ago

    Between you and me, Runt pocket most of the money "spent" on those
    weapons programs. That our little secret.


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    marcprou
    1 day ago

    thanks to Putin there will soon be more Russian scientists in the West
    than in Russia


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    Dan
    1 day ago

    There already are.


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    Gordon
    1 day ago

    Putin vanity project in Ukraine has exposed Russia as a fraud on so many levels.


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    joe schmoe
    21 hours ago

    It is incredible to me how Russia has fallen in the eyes of the world
    with the Ukraine invasion. They have lied horribly, committed war
    crimes, threatened nuclear war, shown major incompetence in their
    invasion, on and on.

    I don't believe the Russian people are bad, but it appears that Russia
    has re...

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