• NATO Has a Russian Submarine Problem

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    NATO Has a Russian Submarine Problem
    BY ELLIE COOK ON 5/13/23 AT 5:00 AM EDT

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    Moscow has invested heavily in its submarine fleet, while NATO has
    largely ignored the underwater realm, experts told Newsweek.
    Russian subs have been recently detected on "strange routes" including
    off the U.S. coast, highlighting NATO vulnerability to "seabed warfare".
    NATO is now "playing catch up" to counter this growing Russian threat to critical infrastructure including undersea cables.
    Russia's navy has taken a battering in the war with Ukraine, with a
    number of several high-profile humiliations, including the sinking of
    the Black Sea flagship, the Moskva, in the early days of the war. A
    vivid show of a declining surface fleet, the real threat Russia's
    military poses to NATO lurks elsewhere.

    The bulk of Russia's seafaring investment has been channeled into its
    high-tech submarine fleet. Russia's subs are widely considered to be a formidable force, and the U.S., along with its NATO allies, neglecting
    the war beneath the waves has left the alliance struggling to make up
    ground.

    "Russia has massively invested in its underwater capability since 2014,
    first of all submarines," former Ukrainian First Deputy Chief of Defense
    and Chief of Staff of the Ukrainian Navy, retired Admiral Ihor Kabanenko
    told Newsweek, pointing to a slew of new Russian nuclear and
    conventional submarines being commissioned in the past decade. Questions
    remain about how well Russia has maintained its untested underwater
    fleet, but a consensus shows a distinct Western wariness of Moscow's capabilities, not least its 11 nuclear-powered ballistic missile
    submarines (SSBNs), with the Borei-A class vessels. Russia also has its nuclear-powered cruise missile submarines (SSGNs), including its
    Yasen-class subs, in its underwater arsenal.

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    NATO's anti-sub capabilities, meanwhile, have "atrophied following the
    end of the Cold War and as attention had strayed elsewhere," Nick
    Childs, senior fellow for naval forces and maritime security at the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS) think tank, told
    Newsweek.

    Finland's accession to the alliance, with Sweden's membership on the
    horizon, has brought the Russian submarine question into sharper focus.
    The inclusion of these Nordic countries into NATO not only expands
    Russia's borders with the alliance by hundreds of miles, but threatens
    the security of its critical maritime bases.

    Changing NATO, New Threats and 'Strange Routes'
    The Kola Peninsula, where Russia bases its key Northern Fleet and much
    of its nuclear deterrent, has always been "the most important military
    area for the old Soviet Union, the Russian Federation today," according
    to Mark Grove, a senior lecturer at the University of Lincoln's Maritime Studies Center at the Britannia Royal Naval College Dartmouth, U.K.

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    This Arctic region could become the frontline of tensions again as
    relations between Moscow and the NATO bloc become more strained. "The enlargement of NATO, in the minds of the Russians, undoubtedly raises
    concerns about the viability and the security of those facilities, and
    indeed, of the Northern Fleet itself," he told Newsweek.

    NATO's inclusion of Finland, and soon Sweden, pulls the alliance closer
    to the peninsula. This may mean Russian submarine bases fall under
    "potential long-range artillery," according to Graeme P. Herd, of the
    George C. Marshall European Center for Security Studies. But the same
    principle applies to Russia's Baltic Fleet, housed in Russia's
    Kaliningrad region between Lithuania and Poland. NATO's Nordic expansion
    had an "enormous effect" there, Grove said, effectively turning the
    Baltic into what he called a "NATO lake."

    "It means that the Russian Baltic fleet, which is a much diminished
    force, compared to its Soviet predecessor, anyway, looks extremely
    vulnerable," Grove added.

    Newsweek has reached out to NATO for comment.

    NATO Has a Russian Submarine Problem
    A photo illustration showing a Russian submarine. Russia's submarine
    fleet is widely considered to be excellent, and recent Western
    intelligence has shown the underwater vessels to be following "strange
    routes" in key strategic areas.
    NEWSWEEK; SOURCE PHOTO BY GETTY
    The Ukraine war, spurring Helsinki's and Stockholm's NATO applications, therefore changes the maritime situation not just in the Black Sea, but
    in the Barents Sea around the Kola Peninsula, the North Atlantic and the
    Baltic Sea. And these are "significant and potentially long-lasting
    changes," Kabanenko said.

    It is in this context that Moscow's subs have been moving along "strange routes," deviating from the trajectories Western defense officials have
    come to expect, British defense minister Ben Wallace noted during a trip
    to Washington, D.C. in mid-April. He said the U.K. had been tracking the
    paths of Russian undersea vessels in the North Atlantic, Irish Sea and
    North Sea "that they normally wouldn't do."

    Russian nuclear-powered submarines have also been spotted "off the coast
    of the United States and into the Mediterranean and elsewhere along
    European periphery," Michael Petersen, director of the Russia Maritime
    Studies Institute at the U.S. Naval War College, previously told Newsweek.

    Asymmetric Warfare and Undersea Cables
    But Russian submarines are not just a strategic nuclear deterrent. A new submarine war is emerging, experts say, bringing maritime security
    concerns into the world of "seabed warfare."

    The head of the U.K.'s armed forces, Sir Tony Radakin, suggested at the beginning of the year that Moscow could "put at risk and potentially
    exploit the world's real information system, which is undersea cables
    that go all around the world". Speaking to The Times of London in
    January, he said there had been a "phenomenal increase in Russian
    submarine and underwater activity" and Russia has "grown the capability
    to put at threat those undersea cables and potentially exploit those
    undersea cables."

    But this emerging tactic is one rooted in changes in Russian military
    thinking in the early part of the 21st century. "There was an
    understanding that you simply can't compete on terms of scale with the
    West, and so the Russians developed an idea of integrated warfare,"
    reinvented from Soviet days, U.K. politician and Russian military
    strategy expert Bob Seely told Newsweek.

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    capabilities where Moscow could undercut Western military dominance,
    which could mean targeting internet cables and pipelines, Seely added.
    Areas in the North Sea, including oil extraction operations, appear to
    be increasingly monitored by Russian submarines, Paul van Hooft, a
    senior strategic analyst at the Hague Center for Strategic Studies
    (HCSS), told Newsweek.

    Seabed warfare of this type is an area in which Russia has "invested considerable amounts," Childs said, focusing on technology such as special-mission submarines. It is also an area "in which it is dawning
    on NATO governments that they need to invest more in countering such
    threats," Childs said.

    "This is something definitely that we've been slow to appreciate," Grove agreed. The modern world runs on these underwater cables, which are out
    of sight but of huge importance, he said. With a growing anxiety around undersea fibre optic connections and energy pipelines after last year's
    Nord Stream explosion, experts say decision-makers have finally
    appreciated the threat is a real and present one, and are "giving
    considerable assets to this."

    In February, NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg announced the
    creation of a Critical Undersea Infrastructure Coordination Cell,
    spurred on by the Nord Stream explosion and the "vulnerability of
    undersea energy pipelines and communication cables."

    "In response, NATO allies have significantly increased their military
    presence around key infrastructure, including with ships and patrol
    aircraft," the alliance said in a press release.

    "It is clear that this kind of asymmetric Russian underwater activities
    are taking on an increasingly prominent role in maritime strategic
    visions," Kabanenko said.

    The underwater battle, with its submarines, increasing use of uncrewed underwater technology, and asymmetric warfare, should absolutely be a
    concern for NATO, experts say. Overall, NATO navies are "collectively significantly stronger than Russia's" but anti-submarine warfare, in all
    of its forms, is a "challenging business," Childs said.

    NATO Enters The Underwater Race
    A concerted change has taken place in NATO consciousness in recent
    years, experts say, waking up to what Frederik Mertens, another
    strategic analyst at the HCSS, called a "uniquely threatening weapons
    system."

    Back during Cold War-era relations, the "most hot it got was
    underwater," Mertens told Newsweek. Yet after the simmering tensions of
    the 20th century, NATO countries looked away from the war underneath the
    waves, experts say. Moscow, however, did not.

    Russian Submarine in Kola Peninsula
    This file picture fated July 23, 1995, shows Russian navy sailors
    pulling the rope to help a Russian nuclear submarine of the Project 971 Shchuka-B type, or Akula-class (Shark) by NATO classification, dock at
    the military port of Murmansk, in the Kola peninsula, northern Russia.
    Moscow has continued to invest in submarines and undersea warfare after
    the end of the Cold War.
    DIMITRI BARINOV/AFP VIA GETTY IMAGES
    Throughout the past 30 years, NATO countries "were not particularly
    thinking about it," his colleague Van Hooft added, while NATO states saw
    the strategic landscape "too much through our own eyes" since the 1990s
    and "failed to study potential adversaries," Seely said.

    Although Russia could not produce significant numbers of advanced
    submarines at the time, Moscow did invest in new submarine designs,
    Grove said. Despite Russia's relatively few submarines, they are what is
    known as a force multiplier, Grove added, meaning Moscow's fleet can
    have a "strategic effect out of all proportion to that small number."

    In recent years, "NATO navies have spent a lot of time and effort
    reviving their anti-submarine warfare skills and capabilities," Childs
    said. This includes initiatives such as new maritime patrol aircraft
    that have a "good capability to track submarines."

    Yet NATO may still be hard-pressed to keep track of even small numbers
    of submarines for a long period of time, experts argue, although opinion
    is split on just how ready NATO now is to confront one of Russia's
    strongest military arms.

    "There's definitely space for improvements," Dmitry Gorenburg of the
    Center for Naval Analyses, a U.S. think tank, told Newsweek. Taking
    nuclear weapons and destruction out of the equation, "the Russian
    submarine threat is the greatest threat that Russia poses to NATO,"
    Gorenburg added. However, there is now "definitely an appropriate level
    of awareness of the threat," he said.

    "The U.S. and its allies have been playing catch up," Grove commented,
    although there has been considerable investment in anti-submarine
    warfare capabilities within NATO in recent years, experts note. Just
    last month, NATO embarked on a large-scale anti-submarine warfare
    exercise involving a dozen nations, intended to make sure its crews can "respond to threats posed by sub-surface forces."

    After a slower start, some experts say NATO now matches up to or exceeds Russia's submarine capabilities, arguing that the alliance does not have
    "some objective, incredible weakness towards Russia in this domain." But
    Moscow has understood "that we haven't really invested in this, so they
    might be pressuring those weak points," Van Hooft added.

    Crucially, Russia does not view confrontation with NATO as taking place
    in just one region or sphere, experts emphasize. The war in Ukraine is perceived in the Kremlin, and by top military commanders, as part of a
    larger face-off with the West, Gorenburg said.

    Sending out submarines in the world's oceans reminds the West of the consequences of direct confrontation with Russia over Ukraine, he added, pushing back into NATO's minds that Moscow can directly threaten cities
    across the U.S.

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    Moscow has invested heavily in its submarine fleet, while NATO has
    largely ignored the underwater realm, experts told Newsweek.

    What Bunk---

    Russian has the 11th largest economy in the world--with less than 2% of
    the worlds GDP.

    The US --alone--almost 25% of the worlds GDP---not counting NATO countrie...

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    On 13/05/2023 18:51, a425couple wrote:
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    NATO Has a Russian Submarine Problem
    BY ELLIE COOK ON 5/13/23 AT 5:00 AM EDT

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    Moscow has invested heavily in its submarine fleet, while NATO has
    largely ignored the underwater realm, experts told Newsweek.
    Russian subs have been recently detected on "strange routes" including
    off the U.S. coast, highlighting NATO vulnerability to "seabed warfare".
    NATO is now "playing catch up" to counter this growing Russian threat to critical infrastructure including undersea cables.
    Russia's navy has taken a battering in the war with Ukraine, with a
    number of several high-profile humiliations, including the sinking of
    the Black Sea flagship, the Moskva, in the early days of the war. A
    vivid show of a declining surface fleet, the real threat Russia's
    military poses to NATO lurks elsewhere.



    The fact that they were detected and that information released suggests
    that this is not a good thing for the Russians, as for seabed warfare I
    am sure the crabs and lobsters are terrified

    As for ignoring the issue the US East Coast and GIUK gap have been a top priority for years which is why the number of ASW Frigates and RN
    nuclear submarines have been increased. Even the UK Labour party is
    pressing for naval expansion. In the meantime of course Finland has
    joined Nato and Sweden is in the process of doing so.

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