• The U.S. military releases footage of Black Sea drone crash with Russia

    From a425couple@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 16 08:36:26 2023
    XPost: sci.military.naval, soc.history.war.misc

    So, what do you think the fuel dumping was about,
    trying to have the drone ignite and burn up?

    from https://www.npr.org/2023/03/16/1163845903/video-drone-crash-russia-black-sea

    The U.S. military releases footage of Black Sea drone crash with Russian jet Updated March 16, 20239:20 AM ET
    By

    Emily Olson
    Bill Chappell

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    A Russian Su-27 fighter jet releases fuel as it approaches the rear of a
    U.S. Air Force MQ-9, in what the Pentagon says was "an unsafe and unprofessional intercept" over the Black Sea.
    U.S. European Command video / Screenshot by NPR
    The U.S. European Command has declassified footage showing the moments
    when two Russian fighter jets flew very close to a U.S. drone over the
    Black Sea, dumping fuel on it — and, the Pentagon says, eventually
    flying into the drone. The video footage appears to show the U.S. craft
    was damaged by a collision.

    The release of the video comes two days after the Pentagon said a
    Russian Su-27 fighter clipped the propeller of an uncrewed MQ-9 Reaper
    drone that was operating in international airspace, forcing it down into
    the water. The Kremlin says its jets did not make contact with the drone.

    The footage gives brief glimpses of the encounter, which U.S. officials
    say lasted for at least a half hour. The Pentagon says the video depicts
    events in the order they happened, although it was edited to condense
    the action.


    Footage released by the U.S. European Command appears to show the
    moments two Russian Su-27 aircraft approached an uncrewed MQ-9 drone
    over the Black Sea.

    U.S. European Command YouTube
    In the 42-second video, a Russian Su-27 aircraft is seen approaching
    from the drone's rear quarter, releasing a plume of fuel as it pulls
    upward and over the drone, causing the footage to partially pixelate.
    The camera recovers as the fighter jet pulls away, showing the drone's rear-mounted propeller in normal working condition.

    The footage then shows what the Pentagon says is an "even closer" pass
    from a Russian jet.

    Approaching from what looks to be a lower angle, the Su-27 releases more
    fuel and its fuselage is seen coming extremely close to the drone before
    the video cuts out entirely. The Pentagon says the camera feed was lost
    for around 60 seconds.

    When the feed returns, the camera, which is mounted beneath the MQ-9,
    pivots to show the drone's propeller has been partially mangled.

    Shortly afterward, the aircraft crashed into the Black Sea off the
    southern coast of Ukraine — a country that the U.S. and dozens of other countries are supporting in its war against Russia. The U.S. has been monitoring movements by Russian troops and warships in the area.

    The U.S. European Command described the encounter as "an unsafe and unprofessional intercept."


    U.S. Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin (left) listens as Chairman of the
    Joint Chiefs of Staff Army Gen. Mark Milley discusses the downed MQ-9
    drone during a press conference at the Pentagon on Wednesday.
    Alex Wong/Getty Images
    Speaking to reporters on Wednesday, U.S. Army Gen. Mark Milley said he
    wasn't sure whether the Russian jet had intentionally made contact with
    the U.S. drone.

    "Was it intentional or not? Don't know yet. We know the intercept was intentional. We know the aggressive behavior was intentional. We also
    know it was very unprofessional," he said.

    Russia's Defense Ministry insists that its fighter jets did not attack
    or come into contact with the drone, alleging that the U.S. craft lost stability and control as a result of "quick maneuvering," before losing altitude and crashing into the Black Sea.

    As for whether the U.S. will seek to recover the downed drone, Milley
    said on Wednesday that the aircraft crashed in waters that are 4,000 or
    5,000 feet deep, making any recovery operation difficult. But he also
    said the Pentagon is looking at options — which would include its
    allies, he said, because the U.S. doesn't have "any naval surface
    vessels in the Black Sea at this time."

    Russia says it is looking for the drone.

    This is a developing story. Check back for updates.

    NPR's Greg Myre contributed to this story.

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  • From Dean Markley@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 17 04:46:36 2023
    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 11:36:29 AM UTC-4, a425couple wrote:
    So, what do you think the fuel dumping was about,
    trying to have the drone ignite and burn up?

    from https://www.npr.org/2023/03/16/1163845903/video-drone-crash-russia-black-sea

    The U.S. military releases footage of Black Sea drone crash with Russian jet Updated March 16, 20239:20 AM ET
    By

    Emily Olson
    Bill Chappell

    3-Minute Listen
    Download

    A Russian Su-27 fighter jet releases fuel as it approaches the rear of a U.S. Air Force MQ-9, in what the Pentagon says was "an unsafe and unprofessional intercept" over the Black Sea.
    U.S. European Command video / Screenshot by NPR
    The U.S. European Command has declassified footage showing the moments
    when two Russian fighter jets flew very close to a U.S. drone over the
    Black Sea, dumping fuel on it — and, the Pentagon says, eventually
    flying into the drone. The video footage appears to show the U.S. craft
    was damaged by a collision.

    The release of the video comes two days after the Pentagon said a
    Russian Su-27 fighter clipped the propeller of an uncrewed MQ-9 Reaper
    drone that was operating in international airspace, forcing it down into
    the water. The Kremlin says its jets did not make contact with the drone.

    The footage gives brief glimpses of the encounter, which U.S. officials
    say lasted for at least a half hour. The Pentagon says the video depicts events in the order they happened, although it was edited to condense
    the action.


    Footage released by the U.S. European Command appears to show the
    moments two Russian Su-27 aircraft approached an uncrewed MQ-9 drone
    over the Black Sea.

    U.S. European Command YouTube
    In the 42-second video, a Russian Su-27 aircraft is seen approaching
    from the drone's rear quarter, releasing a plume of fuel as it pulls
    upward and over the drone, causing the footage to partially pixelate.
    The camera recovers as the fighter jet pulls away, showing the drone's rear-mounted propeller in normal working condition.

    The footage then shows what the Pentagon says is an "even closer" pass
    from a Russian jet.

    Approaching from what looks to be a lower angle, the Su-27 releases more fuel and its fuselage is seen coming extremely close to the drone before
    the video cuts out entirely. The Pentagon says the camera feed was lost
    for around 60 seconds.

    When the feed returns, the camera, which is mounted beneath the MQ-9,
    pivots to show the drone's propeller has been partially mangled.

    Shortly afterward, the aircraft crashed into the Black Sea off the
    southern coast of Ukraine — a country that the U.S. and dozens of other countries are supporting in its war against Russia. The U.S. has been monitoring movements by Russian troops and warships in the area.

    The U.S. European Command described the encounter as "an unsafe and unprofessional intercept."


    U.S. Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin (left) listens as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Army Gen. Mark Milley discusses the downed MQ-9
    drone during a press conference at the Pentagon on Wednesday.
    Alex Wong/Getty Images
    Speaking to reporters on Wednesday, U.S. Army Gen. Mark Milley said he wasn't sure whether the Russian jet had intentionally made contact with
    the U.S. drone.

    "Was it intentional or not? Don't know yet. We know the intercept was intentional. We know the aggressive behavior was intentional. We also
    know it was very unprofessional," he said.

    Russia's Defense Ministry insists that its fighter jets did not attack
    or come into contact with the drone, alleging that the U.S. craft lost stability and control as a result of "quick maneuvering," before losing altitude and crashing into the Black Sea.

    As for whether the U.S. will seek to recover the downed drone, Milley
    said on Wednesday that the aircraft crashed in waters that are 4,000 or 5,000 feet deep, making any recovery operation difficult. But he also
    said the Pentagon is looking at options — which would include its
    allies, he said, because the U.S. doesn't have "any naval surface
    vessels in the Black Sea at this time."

    Russia says it is looking for the drone.

    This is a developing story. Check back for updates.

    NPR's Greg Myre contributed to this story.

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    I would think if the drone's engine would ingest fuel, it would shut off.

    Dean

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  • From Peter Stickney@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 18 05:20:37 2023
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    On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 08:36:26 -0700, a425couple wrote:

    So, what do you think the fuel dumping was about,
    trying to have the drone ignite and burn up?

    1) Try to get crud over the optics.
    2) Try to flame out the engine (Very unlikely)
    3) Just to be obnoxious and irritating. (My vote)

    I doubt that the ramming was deliberate - the videos are of a classic
    failed joinup. The Russians have a history of such screw-ups. Not
    surprising when your pilots fly about 4 hrs/month.

    --
    Peter Stickney
    Java Man knew nothing about coffee

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  • From Peter Stickney@21:1/5 to Dean Markley on Sat Mar 18 05:30:07 2023
    On Fri, 17 Mar 2023 04:46:36 -0700 (PDT), Dean Markley wrote:

    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 11:36:29 AM UTC-4, a425couple wrote:
    So, what do you think the fuel dumping was about,
    trying to have the drone ignite and burn up?


    I would think if the drone's engine would ingest fuel, it would shut
    off.

    Unlikely. If that small turboprop ingested some fuelm its fuel control
    would reduce its own fuel flow to keep the temperatures within limits.
    Not completely comparable, but try pouring gasoline into the carburetor/ throttle body of a running car engine. All you do is get an uncontrolled acceleration. (No speed limiting fuel control in that case)

    Hose and drogue refueled jets and turboprops inject a much more
    concentrated fuel spray regularly when they disengage from a pressurized
    hose.

    --
    Peter Stickney
    Java Man knew nothing about coffee

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  • From Dean Markley@21:1/5 to Peter Stickney on Sun Mar 19 07:10:15 2023
    On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 1:30:09 AM UTC-4, Peter Stickney wrote:
    On Fri, 17 Mar 2023 04:46:36 -0700 (PDT), Dean Markley wrote:

    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 11:36:29 AM UTC-4, a425couple wrote:
    So, what do you think the fuel dumping was about,
    trying to have the drone ignite and burn up?


    I would think if the drone's engine would ingest fuel, it would shut
    off.
    Unlikely. If that small turboprop ingested some fuelm its fuel control
    would reduce its own fuel flow to keep the temperatures within limits.
    Not completely comparable, but try pouring gasoline into the carburetor/ throttle body of a running car engine. All you do is get an uncontrolled acceleration. (No speed limiting fuel control in that case)

    Hose and drogue refueled jets and turboprops inject a much more
    concentrated fuel spray regularly when they disengage from a pressurized hose.
    --
    Peter Stickney
    Java Man knew nothing about coffee


    Makes sense Peter!

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