• Seriously?! Russia Sustains Record Number of Deaths

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    Seriously?! Russia Sustains Record Number of Deaths
    How can these numbers be real?

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    November 5 Update-Russia Sustains Record Number of Deaths On Wednesday

    Russia has suffered the largest number of casualties in a single day on November 2 as Ukrainian troops targeted unequipped Russian soldiers,
    killing at least 1,000. This information was reported by the India
    Today. Ukraine's defense ministry has claimed that up to 71,200 Russian soldiers have so far been killed in the conflict. Contrast this number
    with 14,000 Soviets killed in the Afghanistan War in a 10 year period.
    The Ukraine War has gone on for less than 1/10th of that time.

    Earlier Russia had lost 950 in a single day.

    Ukraine claimed that many of the 1,000 who were killed, died because
    they had not been equipped or trained to fight. It appears those who
    fled Russia to avoid conscription knew what lay ahead of them.

    Since Putin ordered the partial mobilization, many have been sent to the
    front lines with little or no training and little or no equipment. We
    should expect more routs by Ukraine and the casualty rates of Russia to skyrocket. Sending troops with little training or equipment to the front
    lines to fight may be added to Putin’s war crimes.

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    Dave Calhoun
    · Fri
    Where are all the trolls? Probably trying to hide from mobilization.

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    David Koon
    · Fri
    Fred Willard has weighed in above.

    Robert Wright
    Now what does that last name make me think of?

    William Houston
    · Fri
    Well keep reading the comments. One or two have come out already…

    C Carroll Heyward
    · Fri
    Not good to be Russian conscript. It is truly sad that Putin is
    sacrificing the future of Russia for nothing.

    Andreas Wellna
    · Sat
    That megalomaniac cares s**t about anybody’s life, Russian or other. For
    lack of options he throws the criminals and Burjats, Tuva and the like
    into the front battle lines, makes them run towards the Ukrainians who
    kill them. This is Russian intel gathering. This way the find out where
    the other side have soldiers and what kind of equipment they have to
    expect. And if those poor meat grinder devils run back the are shot by
    the cowards who comfortly wait way back. - New Lada for those left
    behind?! Forget it! The bodies will be cremated on the spot and declared
    MIA. Problem solved

    Charles Moore
    Taking a page out of Stalin’s playbook on how to clear mine field: March
    a couple of brigades through it. Why these kind of leaders are allowed
    to breathe by their own people is beyond me.

    David Koon
    · Sat
    More of the future of the country is fleeing Russia. That exceeds the
    number killed and injured. Either way, this is costing Russia its future.

    Morten
    Read his work from RUC and seen his answers on Q Updated Thu
    Is Carl Hamilton a historian?
    Virtually anyone can call themselves an 'historian' if they do indeed
    read and study history, even if they do so at the most basic level and
    without any prior formal training. In this respect, history is quite
    different from most other 'professional' pursuits.

    He doesn't work as a historian and according to his LinkedIn he never
    have. So he is as much an historian as you and me. It's not a protected
    titel.

    If it was, I'd say he wouldn't fall under it. Few titles of meaning can
    be had without any relevant work experience.

    You can read all of his 'publications’ here. The link goes to the Danish Royal Library which contains all research papers by students and later
    in their career:

    https://soeg.kb.dk/discovery/search?query=creator,contains,Suadicani,%20David%20Mathias,AND&search_scope=MyInst_and_CI&vid=45KBDK_KGL:KGL&mode=advanced&offset=0
    JavaScript must be enabled to use the system https://soeg.kb.dk/discovery/search?query=creator,contains,Suadicani,%20David%20Mathias,AND&search_scope=MyInst_and_CI&vid=45KBDK_KGL:KGL&mode=advanced&offset=0
    Nothing meaningful. Most relevant report is about lend/lease where he
    concludes that this didn't really change anything.

    His profile here on Quora shows that he have a hard time understandind a historic event even though he is living through it. So I'd not expect
    him to get any real understanding of something which happened long ago.

    I think Carl/David gives a meaningful description of him self in the two
    quotes below. Like the Russians which he adores, he loves to criticize
    others for the behavior he himself is guilty of.

    He claims that he isn't into censorship and doesn't delete comments (…. 10/2022 he tried to have this answer deleted). But I've seen him throw
    tantrums at 3 different people within 24 hours and delete their comments afterwards.

    Others experience the same. If you present statistics which he doesn't
    like, he'll go on a rant/tantrum and block you:

    Disclaimer: I haven’t met him yet, but he invited me to his wedding. So 23/9-2023 I’ll meet the guy in Hvalsø. I’ll update this answer afterwards.

    He likes to throw around invitations like to another guy here below
    (none of her previous jobs are as a singer, don't know where he gets
    that from).

    Plot-twist: She is of course not a singer and haven't listed singer once
    as a profession in her LinkedIn. Carl just can't help lying about both
    his and his wife's profession. Maybe singing at her husband's birthday
    makes her a singer and writing on Quora makes him a historian.

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    This guy is still writing a lot of loooong articles explaining how
    Russia is winning and a great country. It's a classic example on how you
    can find a source for any conclusion you wish to make. He have always
    started with the conclusion and then found what he needed from there.

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    Seamus Luke
    Ah … he makes “inductions” as opposed to “deductions”?


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    Tim Chavez
    · Fri
    Who reports what numbers isnt neararly as relevant as the point that
    lots of good Russian men .. have just died. And for no reward to the
    state. But at incredible Cost of lives and the enormous cost of
    rebuilding… on Russia's dime.

    Fred, it seems, would rather play number doodles and do irrelevent
    magnitude comparisons, than address the fact that all those strong young Russian men.. some quite honorable people.. their lives were WASTED on a paranoid pipe dream of just waltzing in like a bully bear, and taking
    what belongs to Ukraine. And they tried to take it.. just because they
    can. All the excuses have been smoke thin. Snd yet..people died because
    Russia started the shooting and the killing. And they are now being
    shot..and killed in great and in unnecessary numbers.

    Oh wait, maybe they cant take Ukraine's sovereig territory.. So far that
    didnt work out so well. Maybe they can't win, even if they target
    Ukrainian civilians: hospitals, schools, day cares, and the powerplants
    that keep them warm in the winter. This is the big scary Russian Bear?
    The world hates what they are seeing. So much unnecessary cruelty and
    death… to justify a paranoid dream. And the terror of the bear? Yawn.

    The number of Ukraine dead isn't in a contest with the number of Russian
    dead. They are all unnecessary tragedies. Address that without lying
    about the NATO bogeyman coming to get you.

    Russia didn't show up to fight the Ukrainian army. There isnt any honor
    or respectable pov in this special military operation. They just wanted
    to mow down the citizens of a sovereign neighbor,.. again. Same play
    book, different year. This will likely be Russia’s siren song as they
    sink their own ship by overreaching and proving their lack of metal in
    the spine,… following Moscva, … down the drain.

    imo.

    David Kidd
    · Fri
    And therein lies the problem. Strategic, moral and ethical malfeasance
    by Russia’s leadership toward its own conscripted populace. While the
    smart ones bolted, the ones who maintained blind faith in the regime
    hung around to get slaughtered. It’s a shameful waste of humanity and
    you know it, ‘Fred.’

    Guy Nimmo
    ‘FRED' is a keyboard warrior careful not to be conscripted. Also Moscow
    and St. Petersburg residents are very unrepresented in t

    Robert Stevens
    · Fri
    No, the conscription is for the survival of Putin. Russia’s existence is
    not and has not been threatened. Ukraine certainly doesn’t have the population to invade Russia, and the population of the NATO countries wouldn’t support an attempt to occupy it. The only existential threat
    would come if Putin launches nuclear missiles or other weapons of mass destruction, and even then, the initial retaliation would probably be non-nuclear destruction of Russia’s nuclear capability, weapons storage
    and military concentrations.

    The war was intended to be for the glory of Putin.

    15,000 is not credible. Ukraine has probably got far more bodies in
    storage than that: not all tank crew, for instance, left enough remains.
    There is an internet project (Ищи своих )

    launched which holds evidence (pictures of bodies and identity tags,
    photos, phone data, etc.) but I can’t read it and it’s officially
    blocked in Russia.

    If ‘only’ 15,000 had died so far, there would have been no need to try
    and recruit mercenaries from Syria, or from Russian prisons (both are
    well documented), or for the conscription , and certainly no need to put
    them into combat with minimal training and incomplete equipment.

    We don’t actually know how many Ukrainian casualties there have been so
    far (they said from the outset that they wouldn’t be publishing those numbers: Russian numbers have been wildly inflated from the start -
    claiming more in several categories than existed.

    David Koon
    · Fri
    If Russia looses, perhaps the country does start to break apart from
    Moscow. perhaps Putin should have considered that before invading.
    Likewise, hundreds of thousands of draft age men have fled the country.
    Of course, those are the ones with money leaving the dying to poor
    conscripts.

    Phil
    · Fri
    Well there Fred Willard, why aren't you there in Ukraine showing your
    fellow Russians how it is done? Its for the life and death of Russia,
    you should proud to go risk your life for the cause in Putin's war. If
    you died it would only be 1/1500000 of a percent of the Russian
    population. Put your money where your mouth is, or are you a hypocrite?

    Steven Bobulsky
    · Fri
    Unusual name for a St. Petersburg resident. My granddaughter was adopted
    from there.

    I'm sad for Russia. Wonderful cultural heritage and they had a great
    shot at becoming a world power before Putin blew it all to hell with his
    ethnic imperialism and wet dreams of being Peter the Great.

    What incredible potential flushed down the loo for a land grab and the trillions of cubic feet of gas in the Donbas.

    Putin is neither truly Russian nor Orthodox. He's just another mongol.

    Let's talk again this spring Fred. But Russia's been sent back 30 years
    and may end up China's boot licker.

    Chris Allen
    I would think that xi jin is somewhat disappointed in his best friend
    putin’s behaviour. He needs him to help shore up the grand communist
    plan of a new world order with china at the centre. A very large ugly
    spider sitting in the middle of a very large web.

    Rodger Hempfing
    · Fri
    Ukraine never attacked Russia. Looks like Ukraine might get Crimea back,
    so that's a bonus.

    Steve Mapua
    · Fri
    Ha ha ha comrade Fred Willard. Actually this will hasten the population collapse of Russia. After this, Russia will no longer have military age
    men to fight out of a paper bag

    Michael LeBauer
    · Fri
    Former teacher, now surviving on Putin’s troll stipend?

    Silly that you think 150m is the pool of available suckers serving
    Putin’s megalomaniacal ambitions.

    15k was the US estimate from like 3 months ago. Even the conservative
    death toll estimates are far above that by now.

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  • From a425couple@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 8 11:03:06 2022
    XPost: soc.history.war.misc, sci.military.naval

    On 11/7/22 15:16, a425couple wrote:
    Seriously?!   Russia Sustains Record Number of Deaths
    How can these numbers be real?


    November 5 Update-Russia Sustains Record Number of Deaths On Wednesday

    Russia has suffered the largest number of casualties in a single day on November 2 as Ukrainian troops targeted unequipped Russian soldiers,
    killing at least 1,000. This information was reported by the India
    Today. Ukraine's defense ministry has claimed that up to 71,200 Russian soldiers have so far been killed in the conflict. Contrast this number
    with 14,000 Soviets killed in the Afghanistan War in a 10 year period.
    The Ukraine War has gone on for less than 1/10th of that time.

    Earlier Russia had lost 950 in a single day.

    Ukraine claimed that many of the 1,000 who were killed, died because
    they had not been equipped or trained to fight. It appears those who
    fled Russia to avoid conscription knew what lay ahead of them.


    Supporting story, from https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/07/we-were-completely-exposed-russian-conscripts-say-hundreds-killed-in-attack

    ‘We were completely exposed’: Russian conscripts say hundreds killed in attack
    Survivor tells of being abandoned to attack near Makiivka, as anger
    grows in Russia over death toll from war

    Russia-Ukraine war – latest news updates
    A Russian conscript at a shooting range near Donetsk
    A Russian conscript at a shooting range near Donetsk. Russia has drafted
    more than 300,000 men to go and fight in its war in Ukraine. Photograph: Alessandro Guerra/EPA
    Pjotr Sauer
    Mon 7 Nov 2022 14.11 EST
    Hours after Aleksei Agafonov arrived in the Luhansk region on 1 November
    as part of a battalion of new conscripts, his unit were handed shovels
    and ordered to dig trenches throughout the night.

    Their digging, which they took turns to do because of the lack of
    available shovels, was abruptly interrupted in the early hours of the
    next day as Ukrainian artillery lit up the sky and shells started
    raining down on Agafonov and his unit.

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