• Interesting - Telling the Story of Krushchev's Anti-Stalin Tirade

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    Telling the Story of Krushchev's Anti-Stalin Tirade
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    Fifty years ago, Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev gave a startling speech
    to Communist Party delegates, denouncing his predecessor Josef Stalin.
    Reuters correspondent John Rettie was the first foreign correspondent to
    learn of the secret speech. He reminisces with Scott Simon.

    SCOTT SIMON, host:

    A Reuters news dispatch from 50 years ago caused a political earthquake.

    Unidentified Male Broadcaster: Nikita Khrushchev, the Soviet Party
    Chief, accused Josef Stalin of massacre, torture of children, and a
    personal reign of terror, in a sensational speech behind closed doors at
    last month's party congress.

    SIMON: John Rettie of Reuters wrote that story. He was the first
    reporter to learn of Nikita Khrushchev's secret speech in February 1956
    to the Communist Party elite. Now Josef Stalin had been buried as the
    Soviet Union's most beloved leader. A man of steel, a staunch guardian,
    and the sage, the man who made the Communist Revolution permanent. Oh,
    he could be a little stern, of course, but there was that twinkle in his
    eye when he drew on his corn cob pipe.

    John Rettie joins us now from North Yorkshire, England. Thanks very much
    for being with us.

    Mr. JOHN RETTIE (Former Reuters Reporter): It's a pleasure, Scott.

    SIMON: And how did you get that? Must have been the scoop of certainly
    the year?

    Mr. RETTIE: Certainly of my life. Yes. I knew a Soviet citizen, a
    Russian, who pretended to be just a friend helping me out with things.
    I'm quite sure that he was working for the secret police, the KGB. But
    he did tell me quite a few things that proved correct. And he knew that
    the next morning I was going on holiday to Stockholm after covering the
    20th Party Congress. And he phoned me in the evening and said, Before
    you go I've got to see you.

    And when he came he said, I have something to tell you that you must get
    out. And he began telling me a very full summary of the secret speech denouncing Stalin as a murderer and a torturer. And I thought about what
    he told me and I thought, Can I really believe him?

    SIMON: Well, what made you decide to run with the story?

    Mr. RETTIE: We knew there had been an speech. Rumors had started
    circulating in embassies and among Communist correspondents of the West
    and so on. So we tried to file it through the censorship but it didn't
    go. And we knew no details about what was in the speech, except that it
    had been a brutal denunciation of Stalin.

    But this was so much in detail, and there was another incentive. There
    was a temporary correspondent in the New York Times in town, and he was
    leaving the next day as well. So we knew that he would file at least
    what little we knew, that there had been this sensational speech, even
    if he didn't know any detail, and we'd be beaten at our own story, which
    was so much more complete.

    SIMON: John, 50 years after the fact, do you think that Nikita
    Khrushchev himself authorized the speech to be leaked in this manner
    through you?

    Mr. RETTIE: He couldn't have done it in any formal way, but yes, I do
    believe that word came from him because nobody else could've done it.
    And of course you have to remember that he knew all the Western
    correspondents personally, because he and his colleagues started coming
    to diplomatic receptions two years earlier and chatting to us and
    drinking with us. I even drank out of Khrushchev's glass once with his permission.

    SIMON: I was going to ask, yeah.

    Mr. RETTIE: I didn't snatch it from him. No. It was quite a good story,
    even Khrushchev handing me his glass and saying, This is a lot better
    than that whiskey we had in your embassy last week. Here, try it.

    So we were on sort of intimate drinking terms in a way. Which meant that
    he would know us enough to know that we were serious journalists. And it
    was obvious that I was going out to Stockholm 'cause you had to get exit
    visas from the Soviet Union in those days. So he would've thought, yes,
    this is the right fellow. And anyway, he's got the opportunity.

    SIMON: John, help us understand half a century later the significance of
    this story, the impact that it had.

    Mr. RETTIE: You must remember that Stalin was virtually a God to most
    citizens of the Soviet Union, and suddenly only three years after his
    death he was made the devil, and this was so shocking to so many people
    in the Soviet Union and to believing Communists elsewhere in the world.
    I noticed that what use to be known as the Soviet News Agency TASS,
    still functions, has been saying in an article, a 50th anniversary
    article, that during the speech some members of the audience, some party delegates, had heart attacks. And afterwards, some committed suicide.

    And of course, as we know, the consequences in the Soviet Bloc were much
    worse than Khrushchev had expected, I think. For example, the trouble in
    Poland and even more the uprising in Hungary, the attempted
    anti-Communist Revolution.

    And in the West, I think Khrushchev's aim at getting it out into the
    world was that he wanted people to understand that he really was
    breaking with Stalin.

    SIMON: I've heard a story that somebody sitting in that chamber who
    heard Khrushchev's remarks that day had the effrontery, audacity, even
    courage to shout at Khrushchev, where were you?

    Mr. RETTIE: I have heard that somebody had stood up while Khrushchev was listing the torture systems and the murderings that had gone on and
    shouted well if he was so bad, why didn't you get rid of him? And
    Khrushchev stopped and said, Who said that? And there was silence in the
    hall. So he repeated himself. Who said that? And there was still
    silence, and he said, Well, now you understand why we didn't do anything.

    SIMON: John, what was your impression just as a human being of Nikita Khrushchev?

    Mr. RETTIE: I had an enormously high regard for Khrushchev, I must say,
    even though I think he must have had blood on his hands. He had the
    bluest eyes of anybody I've ever met. He was really quite an ugly man,
    but his eyes were something special, and so was his smile. And I have to
    say that he learned faster than anybody I've known. And also he did two absolutely crucial things for which he must be given credit.

    One was he closed the Gulags and brought the secret police under
    control. The other was that he understood that you couldn't win a
    nuclear war. Stalin had given signs of feeling that the Soviet Union
    would win if there was a nuclear war. Khrushchev understood that was
    absolute nonsense. And I think possibly there might have been in his
    early years a chance of, if not ending, at least mitigating the Cold War.

    SIMON: John Rettie, correspondent for Reuters. It's been wonderful to
    talk to you.

    Mr. RETTIE: Scott, it's been a pleasure to reminisce.

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 21 17:26:01 2022
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    SIMON: John, what was your impression just as a human being of Nikita Khrushchev?

    Mr. RETTIE: I had an enormously high regard for Khrushchev, I must say,
    even though I think he must have had blood on his hands. He had the
    bluest eyes of anybody I've ever met. He was really quite an ugly man,
    but his eyes were something special, and so was his smile. And I have to
    say that he learned faster than anybody I've known. And also he did two absolutely crucial things for which he must be given credit.

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    A story I've heard but not confirmed is that Khrushchev called JFK on the
    Hot Line with a proposal to defuse the Missile Crisis by removing his from
    Cuba if JFK would remove the similar Jupiter missiles from Turkey. JFK
    didn't have his own solution and accepted.

    Supposedly the plan to have them in Cuba was Castro's, on Guevara's urging. Afterwards Guevara was sidelined to Africa and then Bolivia where he could
    no longer incite a superpower crisis.

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  • From John Dillinger@21:1/5 to muratlanne@gmail.com on Wed Sep 21 18:11:54 2022
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    On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 17:26:01 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
    <muratlanne@gmail.com> wrote:


    A story I've heard but not confirmed is that Khrushchev called JFK on the
    Hot Line

    There was no hot line between the White House and the Kremlin during
    the Cuban missile crisis. The negotiation was done through diplomatic
    channels.




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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to muratlanne@gmail.com on Thu Sep 22 07:43:27 2022
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    "John Dillinger" wrote in message news:jp1r2rFofkkU2@mid.individual.net...

    On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 17:26:01 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
    <muratlanne@gmail.com> wrote:


    A story I've heard but not confirmed is that Khrushchev called JFK on the
    Hot Line

    There was no hot line between the White House and the Kremlin during
    the Cuban missile crisis. The negotiation was done through diplomatic
    channels.

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow%E2%80%93Washington_hotline

    Thanks. Most of what I've read about it came from a Russian source.

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  • From Peter Stickney@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Wed Sep 28 07:11:12 2022
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    On Thu, 22 Sep 2022 07:43:27 -0400, Jim Wilkins wrote:

    "John Dillinger" wrote in message
    news:jp1r2rFofkkU2@mid.individual.net...

    On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 17:26:01 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
    <muratlanne@gmail.com> wrote:


    A story I've heard but not confirmed is that Khrushchev called JFK on
    the Hot Line

    There was no hot line between the White House and the Kremlin during the Cuban missile crisis. The negotiation was done through diplomatic
    channels.

    ----------------------

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow%E2%80%93Washington_hotline

    Thanks. Most of what I've read about it came from a Russian source.

    Also, the Jupiters in Italy and Turkey (None of them, despite the legend, visible from the Black sea) were useless lemons, and were already
    scheduled for retirement.

    --
    Pete Stickney
    From the Foothills of the Florida Alps




    --
    Peter Stickney
    Java Man knew nothing about coffee

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