• Re: Nice Shooting. We shot down a balloon with a single $1,090,000 miss

    From george lewis@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 6 02:58:59 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.security.espionage

    On 05 Feb 2023, !Jones <x@y.com> posted some news:7rp0uhtnpuiuk4qa5f80v6rj8k8qepe6hl@4ax.com:

    First of all, unpropelled objects that are lighter than air don't
    "fly" any more than a brick "dives" when tossed into a lake. Both are
    simply obeying that physical property known as the "Archimedes
    principle".

    It's just a gas filled envelope until proven otherwise. It only
    becomes a "spy balloon" when there is solid evidence to support such a
    claim; besides, a satellite makes a far better intelligence gathering platform.

    It was over US airspace. It doesn't matter if it's a Chinese democratic
    party balloon or a flying donut dick balloon, we can shoot it down
    whenever using whatever we want to.

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  • From Just Wondering@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 6 08:34:37 2023
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    On 2/6/2023 8:19 AM, !Jones wrote:
    On Mon, 6 Feb 2023 george lewis wrote:

    It was over US airspace. It doesn't matter if it's a Chinese democratic
    party balloon or a flying donut dick balloon, we can shoot it down
    whenever using whatever we want to.

    I believe I said: "Once your balloon crosses an international border,
    it stops being yours." By that, I meant I'd agree with what you said.

    If by "*we* can shoot it down", you mean *me*, I'd have punched
    a few holes in it with a rifle when it was at low altitude.

    No you wouldn't. You're not capable of hitting a moving target
    at a distance of three miles and an elevation of 11,000 feet.

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  • From !Jones@21:1/5 to lewis on Mon Feb 6 09:19:30 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.security.espionage

    On Mon, 6 Feb 2023 02:58:59 -0000 (UTC), in talk.politics.guns george
    lewis <george78@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 05 Feb 2023, !Jones <x@y.com> posted some >news:7rp0uhtnpuiuk4qa5f80v6rj8k8qepe6hl@4ax.com:

    First of all, unpropelled objects that are lighter than air don't
    "fly" any more than a brick "dives" when tossed into a lake. Both are
    simply obeying that physical property known as the "Archimedes
    principle".

    It's just a gas filled envelope until proven otherwise. It only
    becomes a "spy balloon" when there is solid evidence to support such a
    claim; besides, a satellite makes a far better intelligence gathering
    platform.

    It was over US airspace. It doesn't matter if it's a Chinese democratic >party balloon or a flying donut dick balloon, we can shoot it down
    whenever using whatever we want to.

    I believe I said: "Once your balloon crosses an international border,
    it stops being yours." By that, I meant I'd agree with what you said.

    My main point, though, was that a gas bag isn't much of a threat. If
    by "*we* can shoot it down", you mean *me*, I'd have punched a few
    holes in it with a rifle when it was at low altitude. It would have
    been on the ground within 24 hours. The positive side of that
    approach is we'd have had the payload intact. (It's not clear that
    we'll ever retrieve it from the bottom of the Atlantic.)

    Of course, to a gun loon, blowing the shit out of it with a missile
    that costs well over a million bucks is much more satisfying. At
    least we managed to pop the balloon with a "single missile"... that'll
    teach those slopes to mess with us!

    I'm 'minded of the time I went to a church Christmas party. As the
    opening prayer concluded, a balloon tree decoration popped. The
    leader of the prayer threw up her hands and cried: "Hallelujah! What a
    glorious manifestation of God's power!"

    I see similarities.

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  • From !Jones@21:1/5 to Wondering on Mon Feb 6 13:34:32 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.security.espionage

    On Mon, 6 Feb 2023 08:34:37 -0700, in talk.politics.guns Just
    Wondering <JW@jw.com> wrote:

    No you wouldn't. You're not capable of hitting a moving target
    at a distance of three miles and an elevation of 11,000 feet.

    Man, you gotta *work* at it to be that obtuse! I won't even bother
    explaining it to you because you wouldn't understand.

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  • From Klaus Schadenfreude@21:1/5 to x@y.com on Mon Feb 6 11:40:26 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.security.espionage

    On Mon, 06 Feb 2023 13:34:32 -0600, !Jones <x@y.com> wrote:

    If by "*we* can shoot it down", you mean *me*, I'd have punched
    a few holes in it with a rifle when it was at low altitude.

    No you wouldn't. You're not capable of hitting a moving target
    at a distance of three miles and an elevation of 11,000 feet.

    Man, you gotta *work* at it to be that obtuse!

    Quite obviously *you* don't.

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  • From Just Wondering@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 6 12:54:43 2023
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    On 2/6/2023 12:34 PM, !Jones wrote:
    On Mon, 6 Feb 2023 08:34:37 Just Wondering wrote:
    On 2/6/2023 8:19 AM, !Jones wrote:

    I'd have punched a few holes in it with a rifle when it was
    at low altitude.

    No you wouldn't. You're not capable of hitting a moving target
    at a distance of three miles and an elevation of 11,000 feet.

    Man, you gotta *work* at it to be that obtuse! I won't even
    bother explaining it to you because you wouldn't understand.

    All anyone needs to understand about this is that you are not
    capable of using a rifle to hit a target moving at 30 miles per
    hour at a distance of three miles and an elevation of 11,000 feet.

    Not to mention the very real danger you would put people in
    downrange by making the attempt.

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  • From max headroom@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 6 12:06:42 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.security.espionage

    In news:oj62uhd1jsdno0gb5hljevei1tlqu68nja@4ax.com, !Jones <x@y.com> typed:

    ... Of course, to a gun loon, blowing the shit out of it with a missile
    that costs well over a million bucks is much more satisfying....

    It's not often that a pinkie calls Joe Biden a "gun loon."

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  • From !Jones@21:1/5 to Wondering on Mon Feb 6 21:06:28 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.security.espionage

    On Mon, 6 Feb 2023 12:54:43 -0700, in talk.politics.guns Just
    Wondering <JW@jw.com> wrote:

    Man, you gotta *work* at it to be that obtuse! I won't even
    bother explaining it to you because you wouldn't understand.

    All anyone needs to understand about this is that you are not
    capable of using a rifle to hit a target moving at 30 miles per
    hour at a distance of three miles and an elevation of 11,000 feet.

    Not to mention the very real danger you would put people in
    downrange by making the attempt.

    Please read before you post:

    Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns
    Subject: Nice Shooting. We shot down a balloon with a single
    $1,090,000 missile.
    Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2023 20:38:58 -0600
    Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
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    Message-ID: <7rp0uhtnpuiuk4qa5f80v6rj8k8qepe6hl@4ax.com>
    < from which I quote: >
    "Had we taken C130 up [on a cold morning] and punched a few dozen
    simple bullet holes in it with a rifle, the envelope would have come
    down slowly.
    < /quote >

    Thank you.

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