• Ultra-light liquid hydrogen tanks promise to make jet fuel obsolete

    From Larry Dighera@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 21 14:23:47 2022
    https://newatlas.com/aircraft/hypoint-gtl-lightweight-liquid-hydrogen-tank/

    Ultra-light liquid hydrogen tanks promise to make jet fuel obsolete
    By Loz Blain
    April 21, 2022

    HyPoint and GTL are developing ultra-lightweight cryogenic hydrogen tanks
    that the partnership promises will radiacally boost the range of clean hydrogen-electric aircraftGloyer-Taylor Laboratories
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    A revolutionary cryogenic tank design promises to radically boost the range
    of hydrogen-powered aircraft – to the point where clean, fuel-cell airliners could fly up to four times farther than comparable planes running on today's dirty jet fuel.

    Weight is the enemy of all things aerospace – indeed, hydrogen's superior energy storage per weight is what makes it such an attractive alternative to lithium batteries in the aviation world. We've written before about
    HyPoint's turbo air-cooled fuel cell technology https://newatlas.com/aircraft/hypoint-basf-hydrogen-fuel-cell/?itm_source=newatlas&itm_medium=article-body
    , but its key differentiator in the aviation market is its enormous power density compared with traditional fuel cells. For its high power output,
    it's extremely lightweight.

    Now, it seems HyPoint has found a similarly-minded partner that's making similar claims on the fuel storage side. Tennessee company Gloyer-Taylor Laboratories (GTL) has been working for many years now on developing ultra-lightweight cryogenic tanks made from graphite fiber composites, among other materials.

    GTL claims it's built and tested several cryogenic tanks demonstrating an enormous 75 percent mass reduction as compared with "state-of-the-art
    aerospace cryotanks (metal or composite)." The company says they've tested leak-tight, even through several cryo-thermal pressure cycles, and that
    these tanks are at a Technology Readiness Level (TRL) of 6+, where TRL 6 represents a technology that's been verified at a beta prototype level in an operational environment.

    HyPoint's lab validation prototype for its turbo air-cooled fuel cellHyPoint

    This kind of weight reduction makes an enormous difference when you're
    dealing with a fuel like liquid hydrogen, which weighs so little in its own right. To put this in context, ZeroAvia's Val Miftakhov told us https://newatlas.com/aircraft/interview-zeroavia-val-miftakhov-hydrogen-aviation/?itm_source=newatlas&itm_medium=article-body
    in 2020 that for a typical compressed-gas hydrogen tank, the typical mass fraction (how much the fuel contributes to the weight of a full tank) was
    only 10-11 percent. Every kilogram of hydrogen, in other words, needs about
    9 kg of tank hauling it about.

    Liquid hydrogen, said Miftakhov at the time, could conceivably allow
    hydrogen planes to beat regular kerosene jets on range. "Even at a
    30-percent mass fraction, which is relatively achievable in liquid hydrogen storage, you'd have the utility of a hydrogen system higher than a jet fuel system on a per-kilogram basis," he said.

    GTL claims the 2.4-m-long, 1.2-m-diameter (7.9-ft-long, 3.9-ft-diameter) cryotank pictured at the top of this article weighs just 12 kg (26.5 lb).
    With a skirt and "vacuum dewar shell" added, the total weight is 67 kg (148 lb). And it can hold over 150 kg (331 lb) of hydrogen. That's a mass
    fraction of nearly 70 percent, leaving plenty of spare weight for
    cryo-cooling gear, pumps and whatnot even while maintaining a total system
    mass fraction over 50 percent.

    If it does what it says on the tin, this promises to be massively
    disruptive. At a mass fraction of over 50 percent, HyPoint says it will
    enable clean aircraft to fly four times as far as a comparable aircraft
    running on jet fuel, while cutting operating costs by an estimated 50
    percent on a dollar-per-passenger-mile basis – and completely eliminating carbon emissions.

    HyPoint gives the example of a typical De Havilland Canada Dash-8 Q300,
    which flies 50-56 passengers about 1,558 km (968 miles) on jet fuel. Retrofitted with a fuel cell powertrain and a GTL composite tank, the same plane could fly up to 4,488 km (2,789 miles). "That's the difference between this plane going from New York to Chicago with high carbon emissions versus
    New York to San Francisco with zero carbon emissions," said HyPoint
    co-founder Sergei Shubenkov in a press release.

    There's not a sector in the aviation world that shouldn't be pricking up its ears at this news. From electric VTOLs to full-size intercontinental
    airliners, there aren't a lot of operators that wouldn't want to
    dramatically boost flight range, reduce costs, eliminate carbon emissions or simply just reduce weight to increase cargo or passenger capacity.

    It won't be simple – there's a ton of work to be done yet on green hydrogen production, transport and logistics, not to mention developing these tanks
    and aircraft fuel cells to the point where they're airworthy, certified and well-enough tested to be considered a no-brainer. But with these kinds of numbers on the table as carrots, and the aviation sector's enormous
    emissions profile acting as a stick, these tanks should surely get a chance
    to prove themselves.

    Source: HyPoint/GTL: https://www.newswire.com/news/hypoint-dramatically-extends-zero-emission-hydrogen-flight-range-with-21669919

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  • From Jim Pennino@21:1/5 to Larry Dighera on Thu Apr 21 14:53:21 2022
    Larry Dighera <LDighera@att.net> wrote:

    https://newatlas.com/aircraft/hypoint-gtl-lightweight-liquid-hydrogen-tank/

    Ultra-light liquid hydrogen tanks promise to make jet fuel obsolete

    It'll be a hot, hot time in Lakehurst, New Jersey,
    When the Hindenburg lands today.
    Well, the band will start to play,
    and the people will shout "hooray"!
    When the Hindenberg lands today...yay! yay!
    All the way from Germany coming to us,
    We know your motto is "to Jersey or Bust"!
    There'll be a hot, hot time in Kakehurst, New Jersey,
    When the Hindenburg lands today!

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  • From George Black@21:1/5 to Jim Pennino on Fri Apr 22 11:58:30 2022
    On 22/04/2022 9:53 am, Jim Pennino wrote:
    Larry Dighera <LDighera@att.net> wrote:

    https://newatlas.com/aircraft/hypoint-gtl-lightweight-liquid-hydrogen-tank/ >>
    Ultra-light liquid hydrogen tanks promise to make jet fuel obsolete

    It'll be a hot, hot time in Lakehurst, New Jersey,
    When the Hindenburg lands today.
    Well, the band will start to play,
    and the people will shout "hooray"!
    When the Hindenberg lands today...yay! yay!
    All the way from Germany coming to us,
    We know your motto is "to Jersey or Bust"!
    There'll be a hot, hot time in Kakehurst, New Jersey,
    When the Hindenburg lands today!

    Yup.
    Nutters never learn

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  • From Daniel@21:1/5 to George Black on Fri Oct 14 13:02:14 2022
    George Black <gblack@hnpl.net> writes:

    On 22/04/2022 9:53 am, Jim Pennino wrote:
    Larry Dighera <LDighera@att.net> wrote:

    https://newatlas.com/aircraft/hypoint-gtl-lightweight-liquid-hydrogen-tank/ >>>
    Ultra-light liquid hydrogen tanks promise to make jet fuel obsolete

    It'll be a hot, hot time in Lakehurst, New Jersey,
    When the Hindenburg lands today.
    Well, the band will start to play,
    and the people will shout "hooray"!
    When the Hindenberg lands today...yay! yay!
    All the way from Germany coming to us,
    We know your motto is "to Jersey or Bust"!
    There'll be a hot, hot time in Kakehurst, New Jersey,
    When the Hindenburg lands today!

    Yup.
    Nutters never learn

    I can't imagine this technology working with mass passenger
    aircraft. Simply creating a system that won't leak is a struggle in
    autos - I can't imagine it working very well.

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  • From Jim Pennino@21:1/5 to Daniel on Fri Oct 14 07:12:51 2022
    Daniel <me@scifidan.com> wrote:
    George Black <gblack@hnpl.net> writes:

    On 22/04/2022 9:53 am, Jim Pennino wrote:
    Larry Dighera <LDighera@att.net> wrote:

    https://newatlas.com/aircraft/hypoint-gtl-lightweight-liquid-hydrogen-tank/

    Ultra-light liquid hydrogen tanks promise to make jet fuel obsolete

    It'll be a hot, hot time in Lakehurst, New Jersey,
    When the Hindenburg lands today.
    Well, the band will start to play,
    and the people will shout "hooray"!
    When the Hindenberg lands today...yay! yay!
    All the way from Germany coming to us,
    We know your motto is "to Jersey or Bust"!
    There'll be a hot, hot time in Kakehurst, New Jersey,
    When the Hindenburg lands today!

    Yup.
    Nutters never learn

    I can't imagine this technology working with mass passenger
    aircraft. Simply creating a system that won't leak is a struggle in
    autos - I can't imagine it working very well.

    It seems to be the same for the Artemis Moon rocket...

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  • From Larry Dighera@21:1/5 to Daniel on Sat Oct 15 08:02:05 2022
    On Fri, 14 Oct 2022 13:02:14 +0000, Daniel <me@scifidan.com> wrote:

    George Black <gblack@hnpl.net> writes:

    On 22/04/2022 9:53 am, Jim Pennino wrote:
    Larry Dighera <LDighera@att.net> wrote:

    https://newatlas.com/aircraft/hypoint-gtl-lightweight-liquid-hydrogen-tank/

    Ultra-light liquid hydrogen tanks promise to make jet fuel obsolete

    It'll be a hot, hot time in Lakehurst, New Jersey,
    When the Hindenburg lands today.
    Well, the band will start to play,
    and the people will shout "hooray"!
    When the Hindenberg lands today...yay! yay!
    All the way from Germany coming to us,
    We know your motto is "to Jersey or Bust"!
    There'll be a hot, hot time in Kakehurst, New Jersey,
    When the Hindenburg lands today!

    Yup.
    Nutters never learn

    I can't imagine this technology working with mass passenger
    aircraft. Simply creating a system that won't leak is a struggle in
    autos - I can't imagine it working very well.

    Here's an interesting scientific fact: Graphene is impermeable to gases. https://www.graphene.manchester.ac.uk/learn/applications/membranes/

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  • From Jim Pennino@21:1/5 to Larry Dighera on Sat Oct 15 08:49:18 2022
    Larry Dighera <LDighera@att.net> wrote:
    On Fri, 14 Oct 2022 13:02:14 +0000, Daniel <me@scifidan.com> wrote:

    George Black <gblack@hnpl.net> writes:

    On 22/04/2022 9:53 am, Jim Pennino wrote:
    Larry Dighera <LDighera@att.net> wrote:

    https://newatlas.com/aircraft/hypoint-gtl-lightweight-liquid-hydrogen-tank/

    Ultra-light liquid hydrogen tanks promise to make jet fuel obsolete

    It'll be a hot, hot time in Lakehurst, New Jersey,
    When the Hindenburg lands today.
    Well, the band will start to play,
    and the people will shout "hooray"!
    When the Hindenberg lands today...yay! yay!
    All the way from Germany coming to us,
    We know your motto is "to Jersey or Bust"!
    There'll be a hot, hot time in Kakehurst, New Jersey,
    When the Hindenburg lands today!

    Yup.
    Nutters never learn

    I can't imagine this technology working with mass passenger
    aircraft. Simply creating a system that won't leak is a struggle in
    autos - I can't imagine it working very well.

    Here's an interesting scientific fact: Graphene is impermeable to gases. https://www.graphene.manchester.ac.uk/learn/applications/membranes/

    Too bad no one can make bulk graphene, but any day now, just like
    fusion power.

    Not that this has anything to do with hydrogen, as graphene is NOT
    impermeable to hydrogen.

    https://physicstoday.scitation.org/do/10.1063/pt.6.1.20200330a/full/

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S000862232100244X

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  • From Larry Dighera@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 18 12:46:23 2022
    On Sat, 15 Oct 2022 08:49:18 -0700, Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net>
    wrote:

    Larry Dighera <LDighera@att.net> wrote:
    On Fri, 14 Oct 2022 13:02:14 +0000, Daniel <me@scifidan.com> wrote:

    George Black <gblack@hnpl.net> writes:

    I can't imagine this technology working with mass passenger
    aircraft. Simply creating a system that won't leak is a struggle in
    autos - I can't imagine it working very well.

    Here's an interesting scientific fact: Graphene is impermeable to gases.
    https://www.graphene.manchester.ac.uk/learn/applications/membranes/

    Too bad no one can make bulk graphene, but any day now, just like
    fusion power.

    Not that this has anything to do with hydrogen, as graphene is NOT >impermeable to hydrogen.

    https://physicstoday.scitation.org/do/10.1063/pt.6.1.20200330a/full/

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S000862232100244X



    Thank you for providing the links to the research papers, Jim.

    I was unaware of grapheme's experimentally demonstrated H2 permeability.

    I wonder if LH2 would exhibit the same grapheme permeability phenomenon?

    It would seem that NASA and others are successful in containing LH2: https://www.mdpi.com/1996-1073/15/12/4357/pdf


    Below is information on other means of generating H2.

    =============================================================================== Generate Hydrogen From Water Without Electricity

    https://news.ucsc.edu/2022/02/hydrogen-production.html

    Easy aluminum nanoparticles for rapid, efficient hydrogen generation from
    water

    UCSC chemists developed a simple method to make aluminum nanoparticles that split water and generate hydrogen gas rapidly under ambient conditions

    February 18, 2022

    By Tim Stephens
    bubbles-450.jpg
    Bubbles of hydrogen gas are generated from the reaction of water with an aluminum-gallium composite. Movies of the reaction are available online. (Credit: Amberchan et al., Applied Nano Materials 2022)
    nanoparticles-400.jpg
    Scanning electron microscopy of the composite shows aluminum nanoparticles
    in a matrix of gallium. (Credit: Amberchan et al., Applied Nano Materials
    2022)

    Aluminum is a highly reactive metal that can strip oxygen from water
    molecules to generate hydrogen gas. Its widespread use in products that get
    wet poses no danger because aluminum instantly reacts with air to acquire a coating of aluminum oxide, which blocks further reactions.

    For years, researchers have tried to find efficient and cost-effective ways
    to use aluminum’s reactivity to generate clean hydrogen fuel. A new study by researchers at UC Santa Cruz shows that an easily produced composite of
    gallium and aluminum creates aluminum nanoparticles that react rapidly with water at room temperature to yield large amounts of hydrogen. The gallium
    was easily recovered for reuse after the reaction, which yields 90% of the hydrogen that could theoretically be produced from reaction of all the
    aluminum in the composite.

    “We don’t need any energy input, and it bubbles hydrogen like crazy. I’ve
    never seen anything like it,” said UCSC Chemistry Professor Scott Oliver.

    Oliver and Bakthan Singaram, professor of chemistry and biochemistry, are corresponding authors of a paper on the new findings, published February 14
    in Applied Nano Materials.

    The reaction of aluminum and gallium with water has been known since the
    1970s, and videos of it are easy to find online. It works because gallium, a liquid at just above room temperature, removes the passive aluminum oxide coating, allowing direct contact of aluminum with water. The new study, however, includes several innovations and novel findings that could lead to practical applications.

    A U.S. patent application is pending on this technology. The international (PCT) filing on which it was based is linked here.

    Singaram said the study grew out of a conversation he had with a student, coauthor Isai Lopez, who had seen some videos and started experimenting with aluminum-gallium hydrogen generation in his home kitchen.

    “He wasn’t doing it in a scientific way, so I set him up with a graduate student to do a systematic study. I thought it would make a good senior
    thesis for him to measure the hydrogen output from different ratios of
    gallium and aluminum,” Singaram said.

    Previous studies had mostly used aluminum-rich mixtures of aluminum and gallium, or in some cases more complex alloys. But Singaram’s lab found that hydrogen production increased with a gallium-rich composite. In fact, the
    rate of hydrogen production was so unexpectedly high the researchers thought there must be something fundamentally different about this gallium-rich
    alloy.

    Oliver suggested that the formation of aluminum nanoparticles could account
    for the increased hydrogen production, and his lab had the equipment needed
    for nanoscale characterization of the alloy. Using scanning electron
    microscopy and x-ray diffraction, the researchers showed the formation of aluminum nanoparticles in a 3:1 gallium-aluminum composite, which they found
    to be the optimal ratio for hydrogen production.

    In this gallium-rich composite, the gallium serves both to dissolve the aluminum oxide coating and to separate the aluminum into nanoparticles. “The gallium separates the nanoparticles and keeps them from aggregating into
    larger particles,” Singaram said. “People have struggled to make aluminum nanoparticles, and here we are producing them under normal atmospheric
    pressure and room temperature conditions.”

    Making the composite required nothing more than simple manual mixing.

    “Our method uses a small amount of aluminum, which ensures it all dissolves into the majority gallium as discrete nanoparticles,” Oliver said. “This generates a much larger amount of hydrogen, almost complete compared to the theoretical value based on the amount of aluminum. It also makes gallium recovery easier for reuse.”

    The composite can be made with readily available sources of aluminum,
    including used foil or cans, and the composite can be stored for long
    periods by covering it with cyclohexane to protect it from moisture.

    Although gallium is not abundant and is relatively expensive, it can be recovered and reused multiple times without losing effectiveness, Singaram said. It remains to be seen, however, if this process can be scaled up to be practical for commercial hydrogen production.

    First author Gabriella Amberchan is graduate student in Singaram’s lab.
    Other coauthors of the paper include Beatriz Ehlke, Jeremy Barnett, Neo Bao, and A’Lester Allen, all at UCSC. This work was partially supported by funds from the Ima Hernandez Foundation. ===========================================================================

    =========================================================================== https://newatlas.com/energy/direct-air-electrolyzer-hydrogen-humidity/

    World's first direct air electrolyzer makes hydrogen from humidity
    By Loz Blain
    September 14, 2022

    Melbourne University researchers have tested a "direct air electrolyzer"
    that can pull hydrogen straight out of the air using ambient humidity,
    meaning it's possible to create green hydrogen nearly anywhere on the
    planet, regardless of fresh water supplies

    Melbourne University researchers have tested a "direct air electrolyzer"
    that can pull hydrogen straight out of the air using ambient humidity,
    meaning it's possible to create green hydrogen nearly anywhere on the
    planet, regardless of fresh water supplies

    University of Melbourne
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    Australian researchers have developed and tested a way to electrolyze
    hydrogen straight out of the air, anywhere on Earth, without requiring any other fresh water source. The Direct Air Electrolyzer (DAE) absorbs and converts atmospheric moisture – even down to a "bone-dry" 4% humidity.

    Such a machine could be particularly relevant to a country like Australia, which has ambitions as a clean energy exporter, along with enormous solar energy potential – but also widespread drought conditions and limited access
    to clean water. Decoupling hydrogen production from the need for a water
    supply could allow green hydrogen to be produced more or less anywhere you
    can ship it out from – and since water scarcity and solar potential often go hand in hand, this could prove a boon for much of Africa, Asia, India and
    the Middle East, too.

    Chemical engineers at Melbourne University came up with what they describe
    as a simple design: an electrolyzer with two flat plates acting as anode and cathode. Sandwiched between the two plates is a porous material – melamine sponge, for example, or sintered glass foam. This medium is soaked in a hygroscopic ionic solution – a chemical that can absorb moisture from the
    air spontaneously.

    Hook it up to an energy source, expose it to the air, and hydrogen starts
    being released at the cathode, and oxygen at the anode, simple as that. The researchers believe this is the first time hydrogen has been pulled directly from the air, and note that it works down to 4% humidity, where even dry
    areas in Australia's Red Centre, such as Alice Springs, tend to have around
    20% humidity.
    Left: the team ran a small-scale prototype over the course of several days. Right: the simple structure of the electrolyzer
    Left: the team ran a small-scale prototype over the course of several days. Right: the simple structure of the electrolyzerUniversity of Melbourne

    The researchers tested various different hygroscopic liquids, porous media, thicknesses and other parameters, eventually achieving a faradaic efficiency around 95%. Hooked up to a paperback-sized solar panel, the team found the
    DAE was able to generate 3.7 cubic meters(131 cu ft) of high-purity hydrogen per day, per square meter (10.7 sq ft) of cathode.

    The team describes the technology as technically and structurally viable,
    and low-maintenance, and says the next steps are to test it in a range of
    harsh conditions and temperatures, and to scale way up.

    "We are in the process to scale up the DAE, from a five-layer stack to one meter square, then 10 meters and so on," says Dr. Kevin Gang Li, lead researcher on the paper. "And we can simulate a dry climate in lab, but
    that's not a real desert. So, we want to take it to Alice Springs and spend
    a couple of weeks, see how it goes."

    The research is open access in the journal Nature Communications.

    Source: University of Melbourne
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    windykites September 14, 2022 01:30 AM
    Look at the tube marked Hydrogen collector. Not much in there after several days. This looks like a slow process, with a lot of equipment.

    WONKY KLERKY September 14, 2022 02:20 AM
    If it works,
    If it is introduced on a mass scale in possibly far away geographically isolated arid areas as proposed,
    If the H2 is then exported off site to far away places.
    Then, wot happens to local water sources, such as are, + local climate at large?

    michael_dowling September 14, 2022 06:49 AM
    WONKY KLERKY "Then, wot happens to local water sources, such as are, + local climate at large?" It extracts H2 from moisture in the AIR,which will
    instantly be replaced by surrounding moisturized air. Atmospheric moisture
    is totally unrelated to local water resources.

    Robt September 14, 2022 10:39 AM
    michael_dowling Presumably the moisture in the air performs some type of function, maybe for plant life, or insects, or who knows what, (I don’t). It might be a good idea to study the possible consequences before simply
    removing vast quantities and hoping for the best

    TechGazer September 14, 2022 02:15 PM
    ... and there's no green energy left for it, since everyone is running humidifiers. :-)

    en1gma September 14, 2022 06:24 PM
    They could couple this with Strategic Element's printable graphene oxide ink which generates electricity from humidity too to be totally independent of electricity supply.

    Graeme S September 14, 2022 06:46 PM
    Well done Aussie ingenuity, we are a can do type of people.
    Ignore the NAY sayers, and encourage the YAH sayers,

    Seasherm September 14, 2022 11:25 PM
    This looks very interesting like many other attempts to produce hydrogen without too much power. We'll see how it works out when they scale it up and have a sense for the numbers. And, by the way, atmospheric moisture is
    almost entirely dependent on local water sources, not including underground. When there is surface water, the humidity above it is higher. However, the amount of water being removed here should have a negligible effect on the humidity in the region.

    Treon Verdery September 15, 2022 12:01 PM
    The article says they use KOH as the chemical that pulls water out of the
    air, a much less corrosive possibility is the cosmetic ingredient NaPCA or KPCA. PCA is an amino acid, suggesting mildness. Also, laser treating the Ni electrode could make it much more chemically active. Laser peening is a
    process where a pulsed laser causes a Shockwave that causes titanium to be
    15 times harder and strongly corrosion resistant. Think then about using the opposite of laser peening on the Ni foil, that opposite would increase
    chemical reactivity and possibly produce more hydrogen

    Captain Obvious September 16, 2022 12:04 PM
    Great news if you need hydrogen in Alice Springs. ===========================================================================

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  • From Jim Pennino@21:1/5 to Larry Dighera on Tue Oct 18 16:08:31 2022
    Larry Dighera <LDighera@att.net> wrote:
    On Sat, 15 Oct 2022 08:49:18 -0700, Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> wrote:

    Larry Dighera <LDighera@att.net> wrote:
    On Fri, 14 Oct 2022 13:02:14 +0000, Daniel <me@scifidan.com> wrote:

    George Black <gblack@hnpl.net> writes:

    I can't imagine this technology working with mass passenger
    aircraft. Simply creating a system that won't leak is a struggle in >>>>autos - I can't imagine it working very well.

    Here's an interesting scientific fact: Graphene is impermeable to gases. >>> https://www.graphene.manchester.ac.uk/learn/applications/membranes/

    Too bad no one can make bulk graphene, but any day now, just like
    fusion power.

    Not that this has anything to do with hydrogen, as graphene is NOT >>impermeable to hydrogen.

    https://physicstoday.scitation.org/do/10.1063/pt.6.1.20200330a/full/

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S000862232100244X



    Thank you for providing the links to the research papers, Jim.

    I was unaware of grapheme's experimentally demonstrated H2 permeability.

    I wonder if LH2 would exhibit the same grapheme permeability phenomenon?

    What does it really matter when we can not make bulk graphene?

    Graphene is just short of unobtainium, the magic material that solves
    all problems if you could just somehow get it.


    It would seem that NASA and others are successful in containing LH2: https://www.mdpi.com/1996-1073/15/12/4357/pdf

    As the Artemis launch has now been delayed several times due to hydrogen
    leaks, I would say that NASA and others have been marginally successful
    in containing hydrogen.

    Below is information on other means of generating H2.

    <snip horrendously stuff about generating hydrogen>

    It doesn't matter much how you generate it, you still have to safely
    contain it and that remains a major obstacle.

    <snip horrendously long stuff about generating hydrogen>

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