• Harrison Ford Under FAA Investigation After Airplane Runway Incident

    From Larry Dighera@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 1 16:51:30 2020
    When HOLD SHORT sounds like CLEARED TO CROSS THE ACTIVE.

    There comes a time for ALL good airmen to evaluate the impact senescence is making on their cognition and thus, their flying skills ...

    The alterative is leaving a legacy of death and destruction, not to mention
    the grief and sorrow forever carried in the memories of family and friends, when it could have been entertainment superstar upon whom time bestowed sagacity and wisdom. The choice is ours.

    Perhaps, cultivating a CFI friend to accompany the aging PIC while aloft
    would allow him to continue to navigate in the third dimension safely. It might even be more fun with a friend along to share the experience.


    ---------------- https://variety.com/2020/film/news/harrison-ford-investigated-by-faa-after-airplane-runway-incident-1234593715/

    Harrison Ford Under FAA Investigation After Airplane Runway Incident

    Harrison Ford
    Jim Smeal/REX/Shutterstock

    Harrison Ford is being investigated by the Federal Aviation Administration after an incident that occurred on a runway at Los Angeles Hawthorne
    Municipal Airport on April 24.

    The FAA said in a statement to Variety that the 77-year-old actor was
    piloting an airplane that crossed the runway as another plane tried to land, putting the aircrafts only 3,600 feet apart.

    The FAA is investigating an incident in which the pilot of an Aviat Husky taxied across the runway at Hawthorne Municipal Airport Friday afternoon
    while another aircraft was performing a touch-and-go landing, a
    spokesperson for the FAA said.

    In a statement to Variety, a representative for Ford explained that the incident was due to a miscommunication from Air Traffic Control and that
    there was little danger involved.

    Ford crossed the airports only runway in his aircraft after he misheard a radio instruction from ATC. He immediately acknowledged the mistake and apologized to ATC for the error, the rep said. The purpose of the flight
    was to maintain currency and proficiency in the aircraft. No one was injured and there was never any danger of a collision.

    In an audio clip from the air traffic control provided by the FAA, Ford can
    be heard misunderstanding the instruction and then apologizing.

    I told you to hold short. You need to listen up, the air traffic control
    said to Ford after he began crossing the runway.

    Excuse me, sir, I thought exactly the opposite. Im terribly sorry, Ford responded.

    Ford made headlines in 2017 for a similar incident at John Wayne Airport in Santa Ana, Calif., in which his Aviat Husky nearly collided with a 100-passenger Boeing 737 and proceeded to land on the wrong part of the
    tarmac. Ford was investigated by the FAA, but allowed to continue to fly without restriction, provided that he completed an awareness training, which
    he did.

    In 2015, Ford made an emergency landing on Santa Monicas Penmar Golf Course after his two-seater WWII military aircraft had a carburetor issue. Ford sustained several injuries, including a broken pelvis and ankle.
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    Gavin Ward (pilot)
    May 1, 2020 at 8:07 am

    While its difficult to to see any ambiguity in the text shown here, that may not accurately reflect the original ATC instruction which must use
    very specific phraseology (as it forms a legal contract between ATC & the pilot).
    Before drawing a conclusion it would be instructive to hear/read the
    actual ATC instruction instead of just the post-incident exchange .



    Damon
    April 30, 2020 at 5:09 am

    What did Harrison Ford think he was told? The opposite? Is hold
    short ambiguous? Indiana Jones is going senile.



    mattr40
    April 30, 2020 at 4:55 am

    Its time for him to stop flying before he really hurts someone but I
    doubt he will listen SMH




    Tony
    April 30, 2020 at 3:17 am

    Tower: I told you to hold short, you need to listen up

    Ford: Excuse me, sir, I thought exactly the opposite. Im terribly sorry,

    Ford: was due to a miscommunication from Air Traffic Control

    Uh, sorry that sounds exactly like hes still not listening and
    putting blame elsewhere.
    Thats very irresponsible. Ive taken copters out from there and theres not much room out there for mistakes and to not listen up.

    With this and the other instances, theres got to be a close review of his cognitive skills and abilities. You can only mess up once.
    I hope he reconsiders or goes to an airfield in an area far less populated.




    dont really
    April 30, 2020 at 1:00 am

    Ive got a bad feeling about this
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    Nomemo
    April 29, 2020 at 7:25 pm

    Can you spell S E N I L E??
    Is not the first time.
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    Sammynews
    April 29, 2020 at 6:29 pm

    Its time Calista to take the keys away.




    billo
    April 29, 2020 at 7:06 pm

    uh, you must be one of those who think the woman holds the power. harrison ford knows better.

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  • From Daniel@21:1/5 to Larry Dighera on Mon May 4 22:10:02 2020
    On 5/1/20 4:51 PM, Larry Dighera wrote:


    When HOLD SHORT sounds like CLEARED TO CROSS THE ACTIVE.

    There comes a time for ALL good airmen to evaluate the impact senescence is making on their cognition and thus, their flying skills ...

    The alterative is leaving a legacy of death and destruction, not to mention the grief and sorrow forever carried in the memories of family and friends, when it could have been entertainment superstar upon whom time bestowed sagacity and wisdom. The choice is ours.

    Perhaps, cultivating a CFI friend to accompany the aging PIC while aloft would allow him to continue to navigate in the third dimension safely. It might even be more fun with a friend along to share the experience.


    ---------------- https://variety.com/2020/film/news/harrison-ford-investigated-by-faa-after-airplane-runway-incident-1234593715/

    Harrison Ford Under FAA Investigation After Airplane Runway Incident

    Harrison Ford
    Jim Smeal/REX/Shutterstock

    Harrison Ford is being investigated by the Federal Aviation Administration after an incident that occurred on a runway at Los Angeles’ Hawthorne Municipal Airport on April 24.

    The FAA said in a statement to Variety that the 77-year-old actor was piloting an airplane that crossed the runway as another plane tried to land, putting the aircrafts only 3,600 feet apart.

    “The FAA is investigating an incident in which the pilot of an Aviat Husky taxied across the runway at Hawthorne Municipal Airport Friday afternoon while another aircraft was performing a touch-and-go landing,” a spokesperson for the FAA said.

    In a statement to Variety, a representative for Ford explained that the incident was due to a miscommunication from Air Traffic Control and that there was little danger involved.

    “Ford crossed the airport’s only runway in his aircraft after he misheard a
    radio instruction from ATC. He immediately acknowledged the mistake and apologized to ATC for the error,” the rep said. “The purpose of the flight
    was to maintain currency and proficiency in the aircraft. No one was injured and there was never any danger of a collision.”

    In an audio clip from the air traffic control provided by the FAA, Ford can be heard misunderstanding the instruction and then apologizing.

    “I told you to hold short. You need to listen up,” the air traffic control
    said to Ford after he began crossing the runway.

    “Excuse me, sir, I thought exactly the opposite. I’m terribly sorry,” Ford
    responded.

    Ford made headlines in 2017 for a similar incident at John Wayne Airport in Santa Ana, Calif., in which his Aviat Husky nearly collided with a 100-passenger Boeing 737 and proceeded to land on the wrong part of the tarmac. Ford was investigated by the FAA, but allowed to continue to fly without restriction, provided that he completed an awareness training, which he did.

    In 2015, Ford made an emergency landing on Santa Monica’s Penmar Golf Course
    after his two-seater WWII military aircraft had a carburetor issue. Ford sustained several injuries, including a broken pelvis and ankle.
    Popular on Variety


    8 Comments
    Comments are moderated. They may be edited for clarity and reprinting in whole or in part in Variety publications.

    Gavin Ward (pilot)
    May 1, 2020 at 8:07 am

    While its difficult to to see any ambiguity in the text shown here, that may not accurately reflect the original ATC instruction – which must use very specific phraseology (as it forms a legal contract between ATC & the pilot).
    Before drawing a conclusion it would be instructive to hear/read the actual ATC instruction instead of just the post-incident exchange .



    Damon
    April 30, 2020 at 5:09 am

    What did Harrison Ford think he was told? The “opposite”? Is “hold short” ambiguous? Indiana Jones is going senile.



    mattr40
    April 30, 2020 at 4:55 am

    It’s time for him to stop flying before he really hurts someone but I doubt he will listen SMH




    Tony
    April 30, 2020 at 3:17 am

    Tower: “I told you to hold short, you need to listen up”

    Ford: ““Excuse me, sir, I thought exactly the opposite. I’m terribly
    sorry,”

    Ford: “was due to a miscommunication from Air Traffic Control ”

    Uh, sorry that sounds exactly like he’s ‘still’ not listening and putting blame elsewhere.
    That’s very irresponsible. I’ve taken copters out from there and there’s
    not much room out there for mistakes and to ‘not listen up’.

    With this and the other instances, there’s got to be a ‘close review’ of
    his cognitive skills and abilities. You can only ‘mess up once’.
    I hope ‘he’ reconsiders or goes to an airfield in an area far less populated.




    dont really
    April 30, 2020 at 1:00 am

    “I’ve got a bad feeling about this”
    Reply Report comment
    Nomemo
    April 29, 2020 at 7:25 pm

    Can you spell S E N I L E??
    Is not the first time.
    Reply Report comment
    Sammynews
    April 29, 2020 at 6:29 pm

    It’s time Calista to take the keys away.




    billo
    April 29, 2020 at 7:06 pm

    uh, you must be one of those who think the woman holds the power. harrison ford knows better.


    Everyone assumes it's his age or senility kicking in, but I'm going to
    leave it to the good old bi-annual medical certificate and the FAA to
    determine whether he's fit or not.

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  • From Daniel@21:1/5 to George on Tue May 5 14:03:17 2020
    On 5/5/20 1:22 PM, George wrote:
    On Mon, 4 May 2020 22:10:02 -0700
    Daniel <me@scifida.n.com> wrote:

    Everyone assumes it's his age or senility kicking in, but I'm going
    to leave it to the good old bi-annual medical certificate and the FAA
    to determine whether he's fit or not.


    Since it appears that he flies off that airfield regularly he MUST be
    aware of the way it all works.

    As with anything connected to aviation you only get it wrong once

    I wasn't there so you must know far better than me.

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  • From George@21:1/5 to Daniel on Wed May 6 08:22:53 2020
    On Mon, 4 May 2020 22:10:02 -0700
    Daniel <me@scifida.n.com> wrote:

    Everyone assumes it's his age or senility kicking in, but I'm going
    to leave it to the good old bi-annual medical certificate and the FAA
    to determine whether he's fit or not.


    Since it appears that he flies off that airfield regularly he MUST be
    aware of the way it all works.

    As with anything connected to aviation you only get it wrong once


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  • From Clare Snyder@21:1/5 to George on Tue May 5 18:30:05 2020
    On Wed, 6 May 2020 08:22:53 +1200, George <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

    On Mon, 4 May 2020 22:10:02 -0700
    Daniel <me@scifida.n.com> wrote:

    Everyone assumes it's his age or senility kicking in, but I'm going
    to leave it to the good old bi-annual medical certificate and the FAA
    to determine whether he's fit or not.


    Since it appears that he flies off that airfield regularly he MUST be
    aware of the way it all works.

    As with anything connected to aviation you only get it wrong once
    You'd be surprised how many guys have survived the same mistake more
    than once - and others that have survived just about every mistake in
    the book.

    Must be hard to sit down with that many horseshoes up their butt - and
    one of these times something is going to get them - and with THEIR
    luck it will be something stupid someone else does - - -

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  • From Larry Dighera@21:1/5 to Daniel on Wed May 6 11:17:30 2020
    On Tue, 5 May 2020 14:03:17 -0700, Daniel <me@scifida.n.com> wrote:

    On 5/5/20 1:22 PM, George wrote:
    On Mon, 4 May 2020 22:10:02 -0700
    Daniel <me@scifida.n.com> wrote:

    Everyone assumes it's his age or senility kicking in, but I'm going
    to leave it to the good old bi-annual medical certificate and the FAA
    to determine whether he's fit or not.


    Since it appears that he flies off that airfield regularly he MUST be
    aware of the way it all works.

    As with anything connected to aviation you only get it wrong once

    I wasn't there so you must know far better than me.


    Listen to the audio between the tower and captain Ford on this page: https://www.tmz.com/2020/04/29/harrison-ford-crosses-runway-plane-air-traffic-control-audio/

    Ford may have a radio that provides less than readable copy, but the
    audio seems to reveal a bit of confusion on his part.

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  • From George@21:1/5 to Larry Dighera on Thu May 7 08:13:03 2020
    On Wed, 06 May 2020 11:17:30 -0700
    Larry Dighera <LDighera@att.net> wrote:

    Listen to the audio between the tower and captain Ford on this page: https://www.tmz.com/2020/04/29/harrison-ford-crosses-runway-plane-air-traffic-control-audio/

    Ford may have a radio that provides less than readable copy, but the
    audio seems to reveal a bit of confusion on his part.

    Thanks
    Larry I seem to recall that old phrase 'Say again'
    Removes all doubt and the controller generally does so with more care


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  • From Clare Snyder@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 6 21:10:14 2020
    On Wed, 06 May 2020 11:17:30 -0700, Larry Dighera <LDighera@att.net>
    wrote:

    On Tue, 5 May 2020 14:03:17 -0700, Daniel <me@scifida.n.com> wrote:

    On 5/5/20 1:22 PM, George wrote:
    On Mon, 4 May 2020 22:10:02 -0700
    Daniel <me@scifida.n.com> wrote:

    Everyone assumes it's his age or senility kicking in, but I'm going
    to leave it to the good old bi-annual medical certificate and the FAA
    to determine whether he's fit or not.


    Since it appears that he flies off that airfield regularly he MUST be
    aware of the way it all works.

    As with anything connected to aviation you only get it wrong once

    I wasn't there so you must know far better than me.


    Listen to the audio between the tower and captain Ford on this page: >https://www.tmz.com/2020/04/29/harrison-ford-crosses-runway-plane-air-traffic-control-audio/

    Ford may have a radio that provides less than readable copy, but the
    audio seems to reveal a bit of confusion on his part.
    The ATC needs to slow down and get the marbles out of his mouth.
    Getting "hold short of the runway" out of that blathering takes pretty
    good ears and a bit of mind reading.

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  • From Clare Snyder@21:1/5 to George on Wed May 6 21:15:28 2020
    On Thu, 7 May 2020 08:13:03 +1200, George <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

    On Wed, 06 May 2020 11:17:30 -0700
    Larry Dighera <LDighera@att.net> wrote:

    Listen to the audio between the tower and captain Ford on this page:
    https://www.tmz.com/2020/04/29/harrison-ford-crosses-runway-plane-air-traffic-control-audio/

    Ford may have a radio that provides less than readable copy, but the
    audio seems to reveal a bit of confusion on his part.

    Thanks
    Larry I seem to recall that old phrase 'Say again'
    Removes all doubt and the controller generally does so with more care
    By the time Harrison had gotten "say again" out he'd already have
    been across the hold line. Unless he was taxiing a sod-buster(an
    ultralight lke a Beaver 500 or a weedhopper)

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  • From jgrove24@hotmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 1 10:14:15 2020
    At least Ford isn't doing reverse mortgage tv ads. Stop begging Tom Selleck!

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