• What size bead blaster bazooka for sealing tire beads?

    From Thomas@21:1/5 to All on Mon Dec 13 01:14:25 2021
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    I'm gonna buy me for Christmas a bead blaster bazooka so that I no longer
    need to fumble with the larger new tires that won't seat all that well.

    But I need to figure out which size bead blaster bazooka to get on Amazon.

    For normal SUV and passenger tires of around 16 inches, what size is best?
    (Is the larger size better for other uses such as portable pressurized air?)

    Which size do you use to seat the beads when you're mounting tires at home?
    2.5 gallon?
    5 gallon?
    10 gallon?

    Which works best overall given the 10 gallon tanks are huge (so they need to
    be stored in the garage and they'll take up more room) but they also (obviously) hold a more compressed air than the smaller 2.5 gallon tanks
    (if the tanks are used as a portable compressed air supply for other use)?

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Thomas on Mon Dec 13 07:48:58 2021
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    On 12/13/2021 02:14 AM, Thomas wrote:
    Which works best overall given the 10 gallon tanks are huge (so they need to be stored in the garage and they'll take up more room) but they also (obviously) hold a more compressed air than the smaller 2.5 gallon tanks
    (if the tanks are used as a portable compressed air supply for other use)?

    Looking at some of the Amazon reviews some that bought the 5 gallon
    version wish they had gotten the 10 gallon. They were doing stuff like
    F-350 tires.


    Interesting. I mount the tube type tires on one bike but I've shied away
    from tubeless. Years ago I bought tires for the Harley from an indie.
    The sun was sinking in the west as he struggled to get the bead to seat.
    He had a large airline but was but was going in through the stem and not
    the sidewall.

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  • From Snag@21:1/5 to rbowman on Mon Dec 13 09:29:15 2021
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    On 12/13/2021 8:48 AM, rbowman wrote:
    On 12/13/2021 02:14 AM, Thomas wrote:
    Which works best overall given the 10 gallon tanks are huge (so they
    need to
    be stored in the garage and they'll take up more room) but they also
    (obviously) hold a more compressed air than the smaller 2.5 gallon tanks
    (if the tanks are used as a portable compressed air supply for other
    use)?

    Looking at some of the Amazon reviews some that bought the 5 gallon
    version wish they had gotten the 10 gallon. They were doing stuff like
    F-350 tires.


    Interesting. I mount the tube type tires on one bike but I've shied away
    from tubeless. Years ago I bought tires for the Harley from an indie.
    The sun was sinking in the west as he struggled to get the bead to seat.
    He had a large airline but was but was going in through the stem and not
    the sidewall.



    I found a long time ago that a bicycle tube will help inflate a
    motorcycle tire ... Properly sized to fit between the rim and tire bead
    , it can seal enough air in to seat the bead . In a pinch I have used a
    length of water hose ... ya just gotta slow the leakage a little .
    Or you could use the trick a rock crawler buddy showed me . A short
    blast of butane from a refill can and toss a match at it .
    --
    Snag
    Let's Go Brandon !

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  • From micky@21:1/5 to snag_one@msn.com on Mon Dec 13 13:20:15 2021
    XPost: alt.home.repair

    In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 13 Dec 2021 09:29:15 -0600, Snag
    <snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

    On 12/13/2021 8:48 AM, rbowman wrote:
    On 12/13/2021 02:14 AM, Thomas wrote:
    Which works best overall given the 10 gallon tanks are huge (so they
    need to
    be stored in the garage and they'll take up more room) but they also
    (obviously) hold a more compressed air than the smaller 2.5 gallon tanks >>> (if the tanks are used as a portable compressed air supply for other
    use)?

    Looking at some of the Amazon reviews some that bought the 5 gallon
    version wish they had gotten the 10 gallon. They were doing stuff like
    F-350 tires.


    Interesting. I mount the tube type tires on one bike but I've shied away
    from tubeless. Years ago I bought tires for the Harley from an indie.
    The sun was sinking in the west as he struggled to get the bead to seat.
    He had a large airline but was but was going in through the stem and not
    the sidewall.



    I found a long time ago that a bicycle tube will help inflate a
    motorcycle tire ... Properly sized to fit between the rim and tire bead
    , it can seal enough air in to seat the bead . In a pinch I have used a >length of water hose ... ya just gotta slow the leakage a little .
    Or you could use the trick a rock crawler buddy showed me . A short
    blast of butane from a refill can and toss a match at it .

    What about what I've seen shops use, an inflatable tube around the
    entire tire? That squeezes the tire and makes the bead get close to the
    rim. I don't think I've seen that mentioned here.

    On a separate subject, someone on the radio just asked about replacing a
    tire stem without removing the tire, totally from the outside. The
    "expert" answer said yes, but only talked about remvoing the old stem.
    That doesn't help much. Can you insert a stem from the outside?

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  • From Bob F@21:1/5 to micky on Mon Dec 13 12:48:59 2021
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    On 12/13/2021 10:20 AM, micky wrote:
    In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 13 Dec 2021 09:29:15 -0600, Snag <snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

    On 12/13/2021 8:48 AM, rbowman wrote:
    On 12/13/2021 02:14 AM, Thomas wrote:
    Which works best overall given the 10 gallon tanks are huge (so they
    need to
    be stored in the garage and they'll take up more room) but they also
    (obviously) hold a more compressed air than the smaller 2.5 gallon tanks >>>> (if the tanks are used as a portable compressed air supply for other
    use)?

    Looking at some of the Amazon reviews some that bought the 5 gallon
    version wish they had gotten the 10 gallon. They were doing stuff like
    F-350 tires.


    Interesting. I mount the tube type tires on one bike but I've shied away >>> from tubeless. Years ago I bought tires for the Harley from an indie.
    The sun was sinking in the west as he struggled to get the bead to seat. >>> He had a large airline but was but was going in through the stem and not >>> the sidewall.



    I found a long time ago that a bicycle tube will help inflate a
    motorcycle tire ... Properly sized to fit between the rim and tire bead
    , it can seal enough air in to seat the bead . In a pinch I have used a
    length of water hose ... ya just gotta slow the leakage a little .
    Or you could use the trick a rock crawler buddy showed me . A short
    blast of butane from a refill can and toss a match at it .

    What about what I've seen shops use, an inflatable tube around the
    entire tire? That squeezes the tire and makes the bead get close to the
    rim. I don't think I've seen that mentioned here.

    On a separate subject, someone on the radio just asked about replacing a
    tire stem without removing the tire, totally from the outside. The
    "expert" answer said yes, but only talked about remvoing the old stem.
    That doesn't help much. Can you insert a stem from the outside?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgDzZIop_uw

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  • From Bob F@21:1/5 to Bob F on Mon Dec 13 13:00:03 2021
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    On 12/13/2021 12:48 PM, Bob F wrote:
    On 12/13/2021 10:20 AM, micky wrote:
    In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 13 Dec 2021 09:29:15 -0600, Snag
    <snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

    On 12/13/2021 8:48 AM, rbowman wrote:
    On 12/13/2021 02:14 AM, Thomas wrote:
    Which works best overall given the 10 gallon tanks are huge (so they >>>>> need to
    be stored in the garage and they'll take up more room) but they also >>>>> (obviously) hold a more compressed air than the smaller 2.5 gallon
    tanks
    (if the tanks are used as a portable compressed air supply for other >>>>> use)?

    Looking at some of the Amazon reviews some that bought the 5 gallon
    version wish they had gotten the 10 gallon. They were doing stuff like >>>> F-350 tires.


    Interesting. I mount the tube type tires on one bike but I've shied
    away
    from tubeless. Years ago I bought tires for the Harley from an indie.
    The sun was sinking in the west as he struggled to get the bead to
    seat.
    He had a large airline but was but was going in through the stem and
    not
    the sidewall.



       I found a long time ago that a bicycle tube will help inflate a
    motorcycle tire ... Properly sized to fit between the rim and tire bead
    , it can seal enough air in to seat the bead . In a pinch I have used a
    length of water hose ... ya just gotta slow the leakage a little .
       Or you could use the trick a rock crawler buddy showed me . A short >>> blast of butane from a refill can and toss a match at it .

    What about what I've seen shops use, an inflatable tube around the
    entire tire?  That squeezes the tire and makes the bead get close to the
    rim.  I don't think I've seen that mentioned here.

    On a separate subject, someone on the radio just asked about replacing a
    tire stem without removing the tire, totally from the outside.   The
    "expert" answer said yes, but only talked about remvoing the old stem.
    That doesn't help much.    Can you insert a stem from the outside?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgDzZIop_uw

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goqPhR4gW4Y

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  • From micky@21:1/5 to bobnospam@gmail.com on Mon Dec 13 16:54:10 2021
    XPost: alt.home.repair

    In rec.autos.tech, on Mon, 13 Dec 2021 12:48:59 -0800, Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 12/13/2021 10:20 AM, micky wrote:

    On a separate subject, someone on the radio just asked about replacing a
    tire stem without removing the tire, totally from the outside. The
    "expert" answer said yes, but only talked about remvoing the old stem.
    That doesn't help much. Can you insert a stem from the outside?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgDzZIop_uw

    Well, that certainly does seem easy. I guess most times no one wants to replace the valve except when the tire is off, but if they did why would
    anyone do it the other way if it were not off.

    The guy asking the original question had had someone vandalize his
    valve.

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  • From Thomas@21:1/5 to Snag on Mon Dec 13 19:03:52 2021
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    On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 12:29:15 PM, Snag wrote:

    Looking at some of the Amazon reviews some that bought the 5 gallon
    version wish they had gotten the 10 gallon. They were doing stuff like
    F-350 tires.

    Interesting. I mount the tube type tires on one bike but I've shied away
    from tubeless. Years ago I bought tires for the Harley from an indie.
    The sun was sinking in the west as he struggled to get the bead to seat.
    He had a large airline but was but was going in through the stem and not
    the sidewall.


    I found a long time ago that a bicycle tube will help inflate a
    motorcycle tire ... Properly sized to fit between the rim and tire bead
    , it can seal enough air in to seat the bead . In a pinch I have used a length of water hose ... ya just gotta slow the leakage a little .
    Or you could use the trick a rock crawler buddy showed me . A short
    blast of butane from a refill can and toss a match at it .

    That's the thing about 10 gallons. It's big(ger).
    That means more storage. But it also means more air.

    I have a mounted 20 gallon compressor but I rarely need 20 gallons.
    Most of the time the compressor takes up space in my small garage.

    I am hoping the 2-1/2 gallon bead blaster will work.
    Or maybe the 5 gallon bazooka blaster is a worthy compromise?

    The main advantage of the 10 gallon is that it can be a portable source.
    But only someone with experience in these things will know for sure.

    BTW I know about the bicycle tire tube trick and the spray explosion trick. Normally I just use a second person to help lift up on the lower bead.

    The tires I'm doing aren't large by tire standards (14 to about 17 inches). With the air locked onto the valve it will seat only after the bead holds.

    I just want to know from others who have used them what their experience is.

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  • From micky@21:1/5 to canope234@gmail.com on Tue Dec 14 00:09:27 2021
    XPost: alt.home.repair

    In rec.autos.tech, on Mon, 13 Dec 2021 19:03:52 -0800, Thomas <canope234@gmail.com> wrote:


    The tires I'm doing aren't large by tire standards (14 to about 17 inches). >With the air locked onto the valve it will seat only after the bead holds.

    You have the valve out of the stem when you do this, right? "Locked
    onto the valve" doesn't sound like it. If you don't, you'll cut down
    the flow and the pressure, what, more than 50% I'm sure.

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  • From Thomas@21:1/5 to micky on Mon Dec 13 23:14:06 2021
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    On Tuesday, December 14, 2021 at 2:09:27 AM, micky wrote:

    The tires I'm doing aren't large by tire standards (14 to about 17 inches). >>With the air locked onto the valve it will seat only after the bead holds.

    You have the valve out of the stem when you do this, right? "Locked
    onto the valve" doesn't sound like it. If you don't, you'll cut down
    the flow and the pressure, what, more than 50% I'm sure.

    Almost everyone I know who changes their tires at home does it the same way that I do which is you first install a new valve stem and then you
    immediately unscrew the inner valve out of the stem tube just before you
    clamp the compressor nozzle on it so that your compressor air is continually feeding into the loose carcass which is doing nothing useful till you seal
    it off.

    The work is in sealing it off momentarily to give the bead a chance to seat.

    All you do after that is give the air a chance to stay in by lifting up the bead manually by hand or if you have the bazooka you blast it momentarily.

    When it doesn't seat you might need to summon a helper but when it seats you will know in a few seconds. The bead blaster is to eliminate the helper.

    Right now I'm only asking about which size of bead blaster works best.
    My question can only be answered by those who have done it before.

    Which works best overall?
    2.5 gallon?
    5 gallon?
    10 gallon?

    The tradeoff isn't much in cost but more in the utility and storage issues.

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  • From micky@21:1/5 to canope234@gmail.com on Tue Dec 14 13:58:54 2021
    XPost: alt.home.repair

    In rec.autos.tech, on Mon, 13 Dec 2021 23:14:06 -0800, Thomas <canope234@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, December 14, 2021 at 2:09:27 AM, micky wrote:

    The tires I'm doing aren't large by tire standards (14 to about 17 inches). >>>With the air locked onto the valve it will seat only after the bead holds. >>
    You have the valve out of the stem when you do this, right? "Locked
    onto the valve" doesn't sound like it. If you don't, you'll cut down
    the flow and the pressure, what, more than 50% I'm sure.

    Almost everyone I know who changes their tires at home does it the same way >that I do which is you first install a new valve stem and then you >immediately unscrew the inner valve out of the stem tube just before you

    Good. So you do have the valve out of the stem. I was misled by "with
    the air locked onto the valve."

    clamp the compressor nozzle on it so that your compressor air is continually >feeding into the loose carcass which is doing nothing useful till you seal
    it off.

    The work is in sealing it off momentarily to give the bead a chance to seat.

    All you do after that is give the air a chance to stay in by lifting up the >bead manually by hand or if you have the bazooka you blast it momentarily.

    When it doesn't seat you might need to summon a helper but when it seats you >will know in a few seconds. The bead blaster is to eliminate the helper.

    Right now I'm only asking about which size of bead blaster works best.
    My question can only be answered by those who have done it before.

    Which works best overall?
    2.5 gallon?
    5 gallon?
    10 gallon?

    This is a little like asking which flavor of ice cream is best. I

    The tradeoff isn't much in cost but more in the utility and storage issues.

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  • From Thomas@21:1/5 to micky on Tue Dec 14 11:37:32 2021
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    On Tuesday, December 14, 2021 at 10:58:54 AM, micky wrote:

    Almost everyone I know who changes their tires at home does it the same way >>that I do which is you first install a new valve stem and then you >>immediately unscrew the inner valve out of the stem tube just before you

    Good. So you do have the valve out of the stem. I was misled by "with
    the air locked onto the valve."

    I guess I should have mentioned that a normal filler "chuck" on the end of
    your compressor hose wouldn't work because it requires the center schrader valve to exist in order to compress its center pin for air to flow through.

    Everyone I know who does this makes their own fitting instantly and easily
    by twisting onto that open valve stem a fitting which almost every airgun
    has already because it has threads to fit a variety of nozzles and stems.

    This is a little like asking which flavor of ice cream is best.

    It's not at all asking anything like that as far as the question was aimed.

    It only sounds that way to you because you've probably never changed a tire yourself (and that's fine - but you can't answer the question for me).

    It's more like asking whether you find a 12 inch bolt cutter to work better over the next 30 years of anticipated needs than a 24 inch bolt cutter
    versus a 50 inch bolt cutter, given you're only going to buy one in your
    whole life and you have to store it but you want to anticipate future uses
    too.

    Personally, I wish I had bought a larger bolt cutter - but I only want one.
    The only people who can answer it are those who very often do the task.

    I was hoping to find one other person on here who uses the bead blasters.

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