• Solved! -- Re: 94 Acura Integra flooding

    From The Real Bev@21:1/5 to The Real Bev on Thu Aug 12 13:03:22 2021
    On 07/26/2021 05:54 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 07/08/2021 04:07 PM, Paul in Houston TX wrote:
    The Real Bev wrote:
    On 07/07/2021 03:57 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 07/07/2021 02:15 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    When it happens, is there spark?

    Doesn't seem to be.

    Measure it! Make sure!

    When it happens, is there any voltage on coil primary?

    He hasn't found the coil yet :-(

    While he's looking, have him locate the TDC sensor and/or crankshaft
    position
    sensors. Those also need measuring.

    Maybe there's no spark, maybe there is poor spark, maybe there is
    plenty of
    spark but the timing is way off.

    It runs fine once it starts. Tonight it started hot with no problem.
    Drove home, turned it off, tried to start it again immediately. CURSES! >>>
    He says this is a Honda trait -- intermittent failure. If there was a
    complete failure you'd have a shot at diagnosing the problem!

    Glad I bough a Toyota.

    Sounds like a cam or crank sensor going bad.
    Pointed out by Scott, too.

    I've been looking at failure symptoms at various sites. Poor running of
    one sort or another seems to be indicative, with intermittent starting
    down near the bottom. Of the two, the crank sensor seems to be closer
    to reality.

    Further tests -- Fine spark on all plugs. Starting fluid does nothing
    except ONCE it made the engine race when squirted directly into the
    intake tube rather than at the air cleaner. Except for that, no
    reaction. Tapping various things under the dashboard sometimes allows starting, as does tapping various things under the hood. No
    repeatability. Sensors are too expensive to buy on spec :-(

    I wish I trusted even the GOOD mechanic, who was unable to make my 88
    Caddy stop trying to kill me with its auto-throttle. He said the only
    thing left to try was a throttle/computer part that wasn't even
    obtainable from junkyards. Only solution was crushing, for which the
    State of Kalifornia paid me $1K.

    Ultimately (10 for 10 at least) the solution was replacing the coolant temperature sensor. The computer didn't see it while it was failing,
    but ultimately it showed up. Replaced it ($25 or so mail order) and so
    far so good.

    I'm sure there's a rational explanation, but I don't want to think about
    this any more :-(

    Life was easier with thermostats and heat risers. Plus you could throw
    one pretty far when you discovered the problem out in the middle of nowhere!

    --
    Cheers, Bev
    "When I was a kid my dad once joked that the best way to
    prevent being on a plane with someone carrying a bomb
    would be to bring your own bomb and not detonate it.
    Sounded convincing. What are the odds that two people
    board, each with a bomb?" -- Rowdy

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  • From Paul in Houston TX@21:1/5 to The Real Bev on Thu Aug 12 18:22:15 2021
    The Real Bev wrote:
    On 07/26/2021 05:54 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
    (snip)
    Ultimately (10 for 10 at least) the solution was replacing the coolant temperature sensor.  The computer didn't see it while it was failing,
    but ultimately it showed up.  Replaced it ($25 or so mail order) and so
    far so good.

    I'm sure there's a rational explanation, but I don't want to think about
    this any more :-(

    Life was easier with thermostats and heat risers.  Plus you could throw
    one pretty far when you discovered the problem out in the middle of
    nowhere!

    How interesting! One to remember.

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  • From The Real Bev@21:1/5 to The Real Bev on Sat Aug 14 13:35:34 2021
    On 08/12/2021 01:03 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 07/26/2021 05:54 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 07/08/2021 04:07 PM, Paul in Houston TX wrote:
    The Real Bev wrote:
    On 07/07/2021 03:57 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 07/07/2021 02:15 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    When it happens, is there spark?

    Doesn't seem to be.

    Measure it! Make sure!

    When it happens, is there any voltage on coil primary?

    He hasn't found the coil yet :-(

    While he's looking, have him locate the TDC sensor and/or crankshaft >>>>> position
    sensors. Those also need measuring.

    Maybe there's no spark, maybe there is poor spark, maybe there is
    plenty of
    spark but the timing is way off.

    It runs fine once it starts. Tonight it started hot with no problem.
    Drove home, turned it off, tried to start it again immediately. CURSES! >>>>
    He says this is a Honda trait -- intermittent failure. If there was a >>>> complete failure you'd have a shot at diagnosing the problem!

    Glad I bough a Toyota.

    Sounds like a cam or crank sensor going bad.
    Pointed out by Scott, too.

    I've been looking at failure symptoms at various sites. Poor running of
    one sort or another seems to be indicative, with intermittent starting
    down near the bottom. Of the two, the crank sensor seems to be closer
    to reality.

    Further tests -- Fine spark on all plugs. Starting fluid does nothing
    except ONCE it made the engine race when squirted directly into the
    intake tube rather than at the air cleaner. Except for that, no
    reaction. Tapping various things under the dashboard sometimes allows
    starting, as does tapping various things under the hood. No
    repeatability. Sensors are too expensive to buy on spec :-(

    I wish I trusted even the GOOD mechanic, who was unable to make my 88
    Caddy stop trying to kill me with its auto-throttle. He said the only
    thing left to try was a throttle/computer part that wasn't even
    obtainable from junkyards. Only solution was crushing, for which the
    State of Kalifornia paid me $1K.

    Ultimately (10 for 10 at least) the solution was replacing the coolant temperature sensor. The computer didn't see it while it was failing,
    but ultimately it showed up. Replaced it ($25 or so mail order) and so
    far so good.

    Error! $6.00 and cheap at twice the price!

    I'm sure there's a rational explanation, but I don't want to think about
    this any more :-(

    Life was easier with thermostats and heat risers. Plus you could throw
    one pretty far when you discovered the problem out in the middle of nowhere!

    --
    Cheers, Bev
    I didn't break it! It was doing that before I broke it... er...

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