https://jalopnik.com/its-too-hot-for-evs-to-work-right-1850663950
The heat wave affecting much of the U.S. may be causing electric vehicles
to lose nearly a third of their range.
We already knew electric vehicles dont do so well when it gets really
cold outside. Well, apparently they dont really like extreme heat either. According to Automotive News, the recent heat wave across much of the Southern and Western U.S. has brought their range issue to the forefront.
A Seattle-based EV battery and range analytics company called Recurrent
has reportedly tested thousands of vehicles in various weather conditions.
It found that many vehicles experienced significant declines in their range as temperatures rose. Some apparently suffered a 31 percent drop
when temps got about 100 degrees Fahrenheit. That is less than ideal. At cooler temperatures, the outlet reports that the range loss wasnt as
high. There was an average of 5 percent reduction at 90 degrees and 2.8 percent at 80, so its definitely not linear.
Auto News says that in order to calculate these average temperatures, Recurrent used a blend of data from the 17,000 vehicles the company keeps track of. This data includes 65 EVs and plug-in hybrid models that include mainstays like Teslas entire lineup, the Chevy Bolt EV, Hyundai Konda, Nissan Leaf, Ford F-150 Lightning and Mustang Mach-E.
Unfortunately, we dont know which models did the worst in terms of range loss. However, Recurrent did say that all four of Teslas vehicles had the smallest range degradation, but they also had the widest gap between their real-world range and the EPAs estimates. Part of the reason for their resistance to range loss may be because of their heat pumps, Recurrents
CEO Scott Case told AutoNews. Theyre apparently much more efficient at cooling than standard automotive air conditioners.
The outlet also spoke with Greg Less, the technical director of the University of Michigan Battery Lab. He explained that range decline from
heat has its roots in battery chemistry.
Once youre above [104 degrees Fahrenheit] you start to have a breakdown of the passive emission layer on the anode, and that breakdown will then cause consumption of the liquid electrolyte, which will shorten the
lifetime of your battery, Less told the outlet.
Luckily for EV owners, he doesnt think the excessive heat will damage EV batteries long term. Thats because they arent always driven in 100+ degree weather, and EVs have a fairly robust system to cool batteries.
From what Less says, it sounds like high temperatures arent the direct cause of range degradation. Its got more to do with the fact they use
more electricity to run stuff in that sort of weather.
Youre running the fan harder, youre running the refrigerant faster. All of these things take more electricity, Less said to Auto News. So thats going to reduce the range.
On Sat, 22 Jul 2023 18:54:28 -0000 (UTC), "Leroy N. Soetoro"
<democrat-criminals@mail.house.gov> wrote:
https://jalopnik.com/its-too-hot-for-evs-to-work-right-1850663950
The heat wave affecting much of the U.S. may be causing electric vehicles >>to lose nearly a third of their range.
They're no good in the cold now they're no good in the heat. In other
words they're no good.
https://jalopnik.com/its-too-hot-for-evs-to-work-right-1850663950
The heat wave affecting much of the U.S. may be causing electric vehicles
to lose nearly a third of their range.
On 2023-07-23, NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jul 2023 18:54:28 -0000 (UTC), "Leroy N. Soetoro" >><democrat-criminals@mail.house.gov> wrote:
https://jalopnik.com/its-too-hot-for-evs-to-work-right-1850663950
The heat wave affecting much of the U.S. may be causing electric vehicles >>>to lose nearly a third of their range.
They're no good in the cold now they're no good in the heat. In other
words they're no good.
And they are difficult and extremely expensive to repair which is why even in what would be
considered a minor crash, the insurance companies are totaling the cars instead of repairing them.
[Default] pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> typed:
On 2023-07-23, pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
On 2023-07-23, NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jul 2023 18:54:28 -0000 (UTC), "Leroy N. Soetoro" >>>><democrat-criminals@mail.house.gov> wrote:
https://jalopnik.com/its-too-hot-for-evs-to-work-right-1850663950
The heat wave affecting much of the U.S. may be causing electric vehicles >>>>>to lose nearly a third of their range.
They're no good in the cold now they're no good in the heat. In other >>>> words they're no good.
And they are difficult and extremely expensive to repair which is why even in what would be
considered a minor crash, the insurance companies are totaling the cars instead of repairing them.
An example.
A windshield replacement for a Toyota Camry cost between $250 and $300 plus about $50 for labor.
<https://getjerry.com/questions/how-much-does-a-toyota-camry-hybrid-windshield-replacement-cost->
A windshield replacement for a Tesla cost between $1000 and $2500
<https://www.getexoshield.com/blog/tesla-windshield-replacement-cost>
"What Makes Tesla Unique"
"One common complaint we heard was that many insurance companies will not work directly with Tesla
Service to cover the cost of repair or replacement of your glass. In this case, you may end up
having to pay out of pocket and submitting a claim with your insurer directly for reimbursement."
I just got a quote on a 2022 Tesla S for $785.00 from Safelite
AutoGlass. To be fair, the windshield has all sort of options on it
that the Camry most likekly doesn't have- Solar Coated, 3Rd Visor
Band, soundproofing, Rain/Light Sensor, Heated glass Wiper Park, Lane Departure Warning System, so I'd expect it to be more.
On 2023-07-23, pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
On 2023-07-23, NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jul 2023 18:54:28 -0000 (UTC), "Leroy N. Soetoro" >>><democrat-criminals@mail.house.gov> wrote:
https://jalopnik.com/its-too-hot-for-evs-to-work-right-1850663950
The heat wave affecting much of the U.S. may be causing electric vehicles >>>>to lose nearly a third of their range.
They're no good in the cold now they're no good in the heat. In other
words they're no good.
And they are difficult and extremely expensive to repair which is why even in what would be
considered a minor crash, the insurance companies are totaling the cars instead of repairing them.
An example.
A windshield replacement for a Toyota Camry cost between $250 and $300 plus about $50 for labor.
<https://getjerry.com/questions/how-much-does-a-toyota-camry-hybrid-windshield-replacement-cost->
A windshield replacement for a Tesla cost between $1000 and $2500
<https://www.getexoshield.com/blog/tesla-windshield-replacement-cost>
"What Makes Tesla Unique"
"One common complaint we heard was that many insurance companies will not work directly with Tesla
Service to cover the cost of repair or replacement of your glass. In this case, you may end up
having to pay out of pocket and submitting a claim with your insurer directly for reimbursement."
Tesla is marketing them as the car for the average citizen.
An example.
A windshield replacement for a Toyota Camry cost between $250 and $300 plus about $50 for labor.
<https://getjerry.com/questions/how-much-does-a-toyota-camry-hybrid-windshield-replacement-cost->
A windshield replacement for a Tesla cost between $1000 and $2500
<https://www.getexoshield.com/blog/tesla-windshield-replacement-cost>
pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
news:u9jecc$9a3j$1@dont-email.me:
On 2023-07-23, NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote:Ditto for any expensive car.
On Sat, 22 Jul 2023 18:54:28 -0000 (UTC), "Leroy N. Soetoro"
<democrat-criminals@mail.house.gov> wrote:
https://jalopnik.com/its-too-hot-for-evs-to-work-right-1850663950
The heat wave affecting much of the U.S. may be causing electric
vehicles to lose nearly a third of their range.
They're no good in the cold now they're no good in the heat. In
other words they're no good.
And they are difficult and extremely expensive to repair which is why
even in what would be considered a minor crash, the insurance
companies are totaling the cars instead of repairing them.
So?
On 2023-07-23, NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jul 2023 18:54:28 -0000 (UTC), "Leroy N. Soetoro" >><democrat-criminals@mail.house.gov> wrote:
https://jalopnik.com/its-too-hot-for-evs-to-work-right-1850663950
The heat wave affecting much of the U.S. may be causing electric
vehicles to lose nearly a third of their range.
They're no good in the cold now they're no good in the heat. In
other words they're no good.
And they are difficult and extremely expensive to repair which is why
even in what would be considered a minor crash, the insurance
companies are totaling the cars instead of repairing them.
pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
news:u9jecc$9a3j$1@dont-email.me:
On 2023-07-23, NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jul 2023 18:54:28 -0000 (UTC), "Leroy N. Soetoro" >><democrat-criminals@mail.house.gov> wrote:
https://jalopnik.com/its-too-hot-for-evs-to-work-right-1850663950
The heat wave affecting much of the U.S. may be causing electric >>>vehicles to lose nearly a third of their range.
They're no good in the cold now they're no good in the heat. In
other words they're no good.
And they are difficult and extremely expensive to repair which is why
even in what would be considered a minor crash, the insurance
companies are totaling the cars instead of repairing them.
Ditto for any expensive car.
So?
On 2023-07-23, NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jul 2023 18:54:28 -0000 (UTC), "Leroy N. Soetoro" >><democrat-criminals@mail.house.gov> wrote:
https://jalopnik.com/its-too-hot-for-evs-to-work-right-1850663950
The heat wave affecting much of the U.S. may be causing electric vehicles >>>to lose nearly a third of their range.
They're no good in the cold now they're no good in the heat. In other
words they're no good.
And they are difficult and extremely expensive to repair which is why even
in what would be
considered a minor crash, the insurance companies are totaling the cars instead of repairing them.
https://jalopnik.com/its-too-hot-for-evs-to-work-right-1850663950
The heat wave affecting much of the U.S. may be causing electric vehicles
to lose nearly a third of their range.
We already knew electric vehicles don’t do so well when it gets really
cold outside. Well, apparently they don’t really like extreme heat either. According to Automotive News, the recent heat wave across much of the Southern and Western U.S. has brought their range issue to the forefront.
A Seattle-based EV battery and range analytics company called Recurrent
has reportedly tested thousands of vehicles in various weather conditions.
It found that many vehicles experienced “significant declines” in their range as temperatures rose. Some apparently suffered a 31 percent drop
when temps got about 100 degrees Fahrenheit. That is less than ideal. At cooler temperatures, the outlet reports that the range loss wasn’t as
high. There was an average of 5 percent reduction at 90 degrees and 2.8 percent at 80, so it’s definitely not linear.
Auto News says that in order to calculate these average temperatures, Recurrent used a blend of data from the 17,000 vehicles the company keeps track of. This data includes 65 EVs and plug-in hybrid models that include mainstays like Tesla’s entire lineup, the Chevy Bolt EV, Hyundai Konda, Nissan Leaf, Ford F-150 Lightning and Mustang Mach-E.
Unfortunately, we don’t know which models did the worst in terms of range loss. However, Recurrent did say that all four of Tesla’s vehicles had the smallest range degradation, but they also had the widest gap between their real-world range and the EPA’s estimates. Part of the reason for their resistance to range loss may be because of their heat pumps, Recurrent’s CEO Scott Case told AutoNews. They’re apparently much more efficient at cooling than standard automotive air conditioners.
The outlet also spoke with Greg Less, the technical director of the University of Michigan Battery Lab. He explained that range decline from
heat has its roots in battery chemistry.
“Once you’re above [104 degrees Fahrenheit] you start to have a breakdown of the passive emission layer on the anode, and that breakdown will then cause consumption of the liquid electrolyte, which will shorten the
lifetime of your battery,” Less told the outlet.
Luckily for EV owners, he doesn’t think the excessive heat will damage EV batteries long term. That’s because they aren’t always driven in 100+ degree weather, and EVs have a fairly robust system to cool batteries.
From what Less says, it sounds like high temperatures aren’t the direct cause of range degradation. It’s got more to do with the fact they use
more electricity to run stuff in that sort of weather.
“You’re running the fan harder, you’re running the refrigerant faster. All
of these things take more electricity,” Less said to Auto News. “So that’s
going to reduce the range.”
if the EVs are our best hope for the climate change, we're screwed!
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