• Brainless Tesla driver crashes, dies while car in Autopilot mode

    From =?UTF-8?B?bmZnQUjim4Tiq7jvvK3vvYnvv@21:1/5 to PaxPerPoten on Sat Jul 2 22:50:34 2016
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    PaxPerPoten wrote on 7/2/2016 4:34 PM:
    On 7/1/2016 3:41 PM, Leroy N. Soetoro wrote:
    http://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/2016/06/30/teslas-autopilot-tied-
    fatal-crash-nhtsa-investigates/86570046/

    News reports that the driver was watching a movie when the accident
    occurred. Obviously not recommended by the Tesla Car company.


    Why would you buy a self-driving car if you can't trust it to drive itself?

    If you have to keep an eye on its driving, then why not just drive it
    yourself?

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  • From PaxPerPoten@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jul 3 00:12:27 2016
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    On 7/2/2016 9:50 PM, nfgAH⛄⫸Mighty ⸎ Wannabe⫷⛄PKHgL wrote:
    PaxPerPoten wrote on 7/2/2016 4:34 PM:
    On 7/1/2016 3:41 PM, Leroy N. Soetoro wrote:
    http://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/2016/06/30/teslas-autopilot-tied-
    fatal-crash-nhtsa-investigates/86570046/

    News reports that the driver was watching a movie when the accident
    occurred. Obviously not recommended by the Tesla Car company.


    Why would you buy a self-driving car if you can't trust it to drive itself?

    If you have to keep an eye on its driving, then why not just drive it yourself?

    Because it was a test model that was to have hands on the wheel at all times...Even while in autopilot. But apparently this particular car was
    driven by a suicidal moron.. Probably your twin! Can I recommend a movie
    for you to watch on your suicide drive-around?


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    the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all
    ages who mean to govern well, but *They mean to govern*. They promise to
    be good masters, *but they mean to be masters*. Daniel Webster

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?RHhmU2vim4Tiq7jvvK3vvYnvv@21:1/5 to PaxPerPoten on Sun Jul 3 01:36:21 2016
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    PaxPerPoten wrote on 7/3/2016 1:12 AM:
    On 7/2/2016 9:50 PM, nfgAH⛄⫸Mighty ⸎ Wannabe⫷⛄PKHgL wrote:
    PaxPerPoten wrote on 7/2/2016 4:34 PM:
    On 7/1/2016 3:41 PM, Leroy N. Soetoro wrote:
    http://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/2016/06/30/teslas-autopilot-tied- >>>> fatal-crash-nhtsa-investigates/86570046/

    News reports that the driver was watching a movie when the accident
    occurred. Obviously not recommended by the Tesla Car company.


    Why would you buy a self-driving car if you can't trust it to drive
    itself?

    If you have to keep an eye on its driving, then why not just drive it
    yourself?

    Because it was a test model that was to have hands on the wheel at all times...Even while in autopilot. But apparently this particular car was driven by a suicidal moron.. Probably your twin! Can I recommend a movie
    for you to watch on your suicide drive-around?

    A "test model" ?

    You'd better check the news. The Tesla in this accident was a production
    model, and the victim driver was the car owner, not a Tesla test-driver.

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  • From PaxPerPoten@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jul 3 01:04:33 2016
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    On 7/3/2016 12:36 AM, DxfSk⛄⫸Mighty ⸎ Wannabe⫷⛄USvlz wrote:
    PaxPerPoten wrote on 7/3/2016 1:12 AM:
    On 7/2/2016 9:50 PM, nfgAH⛄⫸Mighty ⸎ Wannabe⫷⛄PKHgL wrote:
    PaxPerPoten wrote on 7/2/2016 4:34 PM:
    On 7/1/2016 3:41 PM, Leroy N. Soetoro wrote:
    http://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/2016/06/30/teslas-autopilot-tied- >>>>>
    fatal-crash-nhtsa-investigates/86570046/

    News reports that the driver was watching a movie when the accident
    occurred. Obviously not recommended by the Tesla Car company.


    Why would you buy a self-driving car if you can't trust it to drive
    itself?

    If you have to keep an eye on its driving, then why not just drive it
    yourself?

    Because it was a test model that was to have hands on the wheel at all
    times...Even while in autopilot. But apparently this particular car was
    driven by a suicidal moron.. Probably your twin! Can I recommend a movie
    for you to watch on your suicide drive-around?

    A "test model" ?

    You'd better check the news. The Tesla in this accident was a production model, and the victim driver was the car owner, not a Tesla test-driver.

    That model was a hands on at all time autopilot system. I commend your
    massive ignorance in reading the printed word.







    --
    It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard
    the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all
    ages who mean to govern well, but *They mean to govern*. They promise to
    be good masters, *but they mean to be masters*. Daniel Webster

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?UUZkSEzim4Tiq7jvvK3vvYnvv@21:1/5 to PaxPerPoten on Sun Jul 3 02:21:37 2016
    XPost: alt.survival

    PaxPerPoten wrote on 7/3/2016 2:04 AM:
    On 7/3/2016 12:36 AM, DxfSk⛄⫸Mighty ⸎ Wannabe⫷⛄USvlz wrote:
    PaxPerPoten wrote on 7/3/2016 1:12 AM:
    On 7/2/2016 9:50 PM, nfgAH⛄⫸Mighty ⸎ Wannabe⫷⛄PKHgL wrote:
    PaxPerPoten wrote on 7/2/2016 4:34 PM:
    On 7/1/2016 3:41 PM, Leroy N. Soetoro wrote:
    http://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/2016/06/30/teslas-autopilot-tied- >>>>>>

    fatal-crash-nhtsa-investigates/86570046/

    News reports that the driver was watching a movie when the accident
    occurred. Obviously not recommended by the Tesla Car company.


    Why would you buy a self-driving car if you can't trust it to drive
    itself?

    If you have to keep an eye on its driving, then why not just drive it
    yourself?

    Because it was a test model that was to have hands on the wheel at all
    times...Even while in autopilot. But apparently this particular car was
    driven by a suicidal moron.. Probably your twin! Can I recommend a movie >>> for you to watch on your suicide drive-around?

    A "test model" ?

    You'd better check the news. The Tesla in this accident was a production
    model, and the victim driver was the car owner, not a Tesla test-driver.

    That model was a hands on at all time autopilot system.

    Then why did you say it was a "test model"?


    That's why I said, here I quote:
    quote
    A "test model" ?
    If you have to keep an eye on its driving, then why not just drive it
    yourself?
    unquote

    I commend your
    massive ignorance in reading the printed word.

    It is you who has massive ignorance in reading your own written words:
    quote
    Because it was a test model that was to have hands on the wheel at all
    times...Even while in autopilot.
    unquote

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  • From PaxPerPoten@21:1/5 to Leroy N. Soetoro on Sat Jul 2 15:34:25 2016
    XPost: alt.survival

    On 7/1/2016 3:41 PM, Leroy N. Soetoro wrote:
    http://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/2016/06/30/teslas-autopilot-tied- fatal-crash-nhtsa-investigates/86570046/

    News reports that the driver was watching a movie when the accident
    occurred. Obviously not recommended by the Tesla Car company.

    Tesla Motors acknowledged today that a driver of one of its Model S cars operating in Autopilot mode died when the semi-autonomous system failed to detect a tractor-trailer turning in front of the luxury electric car.

    The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration has begun a preliminary investigation of the fatal accident that occurred May 7 in Williston, Fla.

    The case illustrates the experimental nature of autonomous vehicle
    technology that has attracted billions of dollars of investment from the
    auto and technology industries.

    "This is the first known fatality in just over 130 million miles where Autopilot was activated," states a post on Tesla's corporate website.
    "Among all vehicles in the U.S., there is a fatality every 94 million
    miles. Worldwide, there is a fatality approximately every 60 million
    miles. It is important to emphasize that the NHTSA action is simply a preliminary evaluation to determine whether the system worked according to expectations."

    The post continues in substantial detail to describe the incident.

    "Neither Autopilot nor the driver noticed the white side of the tractor trailer against a brightly lit sky, so the brake was not applied. The high ride height of the trailer combined with its positioning across the road
    and the extremely rare circumstances of the impact caused the Model S to
    pass under the trailer, with the bottom of the trailer impacting the windshield of the Model S."

    In a statement, NHTSA said the beginning of a preliminary investigation "should not be construed as a finding that" the agency "believes there is either a presence or absence of a defect in the subject vehicles."

    Tesla's Autopilot enables the vehicle to drive itself under most highway circumstances, but there are situations where drivers must be prepared to reclaim control. It is not clear whether the driver was alerted in this particular case.

    General Motors is working on a system called Super Cruise that it
    previously said would be introduced next year to give the Cadillac CT6 "hands-free" driving, but the driver must remain engaged.

    Earlier this month there was an incident in Irvine, Calif., where the
    owner of a brand new Tesla Model X, also equipped with Autopilot,
    accelerated from a parking space and crashed into a commercial building.
    The owner and Tesla disputed whether Autopilot specifically caused the unintended acceleration.

    The message on Tesla's website reflects legal advice about the limits of Autopilot's capability.

    "It is important to note that Tesla disables Autopilot by default and requires explicit acknowledgement that the system is new technology and
    still in a public beta phase before it can be enabled.

    "When drivers activate Autopilot, the acknowledgment box explains, among other things, that Autopilot is an assist feature that requires you to
    keep your hands on the steering wheel at all times, and that you need to maintain control and responsibility for your vehicle while using it."

    Some say the accident shows Tesla's novel self-driving feature isn't ready for prime time.

    "Tesla might want to consider a voluntary recall or stop sale on its
    vehicles equipped with the Autopilot feature," says Michelle Krebs, senior analyst at AutoTrader, in a statement. "Self-driving vehicles hold much promise for improving road safety, but more work is needed with the technology, regulations and consumer confidence, which could be shaken by accidents like this.

    Contact Greg Gardner: (313) 222-8762 or ggardner@freepress.com. Follow him
    on Twitter @GregGardner12

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    ages who mean to govern well, but *They mean to govern*. They promise to
    be good masters, *but they mean to be masters*. Daniel Webster

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jul 3 00:31:00 2016
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    On 07/02/2016 11:36 PM, DxfSk⛄⫸Mighty ⸎ Wannabe⫷⛄USvlz wrote:
    A "test model" ?

    You'd better check the news. The Tesla in this accident was a production model, and the victim driver was the car owner, not a Tesla test-driver.

    Microsoft isn't the only company that uses customers as beta testers.

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