• Here's How Much It Costs To Run An Underfunded NASCAR Race Team

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    Here's How Much It Costs To Run An Underfunded NASCAR Race Team

    Alanis King
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    An entry from BK Racing in the 2018 Daytona 500.
    Photo: AP Photo/Terry Renna

    Costs in NASCAR are a murky thing. The sport stopped publicizing prize
    money in its top series in 2016, teams often shy away from budget talks
    and a common belief is that younger drivers will make less money than
    the older ones. But one team had to disclose how much it spent to make
    it through the 2016 season.

    While the costs aren’t often made public, things don’t look great: TV ratings are down, tracks have been removing seats for years, NASCAR is
    trying to cut costs for teams to operate, and, while there are no clear numbers, it would be hard to argue that overall cash flow through the
    sport is higher than in the past. After ESPN reported purse money was
    stagnant in the top Monster Energy NASCAR Cup Series in 2015, NASCAR
    stopped releasing purse information the next year.

    That doesn’t mean underfunded teams are out there running discarded
    beaters. ESPN obtained documents with Cup Series team BK Racing’s
    spending as it goes through bankruptcy proceedings, and reports that the
    team ran on just over $1 million in sponsorship in 2015 and $1.5 million
    in 2016. BK spent a lot more than that, with recorded losses of $10.1
    million in 2015 and $8.5 million the next year.

    But before we get to the cost details, let’s put this in perspective:
    While NASCAR teams aren’t quick to say how much they spend, not all
    racing series are as shy. Audi and Porsche’s incredibly expensive former
    Le Mans Prototype 1 programs in the World Endurance Championship hovered
    around $200 million a year and Toyota runs the series with about $100
    million, Ferrari’s Formula One budget in 2013 was nearly $500 million
    while some of the back-marker teams spent under $50 million, the top
    IndyCar team in 2013 spent $15 million, and Formula E had a budget cap
    of $3.5 million in 2016.

    That’s a huge range of spending across different series, and shows what
    all of them require to be successful. BK Racing spent nearly $20 million
    in NASCAR’s top tier in 2016, showing the lower end of costs in the land
    of the American V8s.

    ESPN reports that BK Racing fielded 82 cars in 2016, with two running
    full time during the 36-race season and a third running nine races. The
    team raced four cars in the Daytona 500. Racing Reference statistics
    show the team fielded seven drivers in 2016, and had one top-10 finish
    overall. The team’s average finish in seven years of competing in the
    Cup Series is 31.1 in a roughly 40-car field.

    BK Racing won about $7.8 million in prize money that year, which made up
    almost 79 percent of its total revenue since the team had such small
    amounts coming in from sponsorship. Usually, as ESPN reports, that
    revenue share is the opposite for top teams—most of the money comes from sponsors.

    BK Racing spent more than $18.1 million to run the 2016 season,
    according to ESPN. Here are the some of the biggest expenses, from the
    story:

    - $5,896,898 (27.5 percent) on payroll and wages — with $3,733,329 in salaries and wages, including other hourly wages and overtime;
    $1,033,471 of contract payroll (pit crews, spotter); and $467,736 in
    driver payroll.

    - $4,093,761 (19.1 percent) on its engine lease.

    - $1,916,327 (8.9 percent) on tires.

    - $1,801,822 (8.4 percent) on travel, including $927,160 for airfare and $432,883 for hotels.

    ESPN has more information on other expenses like brakes, transmissions,
    entry fees, decals and licenses, as well as how much BK Racing owes to
    its creditors.

    NASCAR isn’t cheap, but, like other series show, running a lower-funded
    team isn’t as expensive as it could be. And while everyone is quick to
    talk about how much less money there is to go around in NASCAR, BK
    Racing’s bankruptcy filings are a humbling reminder that even the most underfunded of teams pay their drivers a higher annual salary than most
    of us will ever make.

    That’s a great note to finish out your workweek on. Just remember that
    next time the boss asks you to stay late, they’re not paying you nearly
    as much to be there as a bankrupt NASCAR team would.

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    LotsO'Cylinders
    Alanis King
    3/23/18 12:10pm
    The engine lease and tires spending amounts surprised me! Seems high
    but, well, okay.....

    Buffalo Mike
    LotsO'Cylinders
    3/23/18 12:32pm
    Tires are 500$ each.

    BKosher84
    LotsO'Cylinders
    3/23/18 12:36pm
    The engines come directly from Toyota, who develops them themselves..
    That shit ain’t cheap.

    syaieya
    LotsO'Cylinders
    3/23/18 12:40pm
    Going off numbers i heard in the arca pits. Thats averaging 2 and a half
    sets of tires every race per car. And im sure half that engine budget is
    super speedway cars

    effingnewguy
    BKosher84
    3/23/18 12:42pm
    I find it hilarious that Toyota had to develop a cast iron, pushrod,
    carburated V8.

    Equana
    Alanis King
    3/23/18 11:57am
    Best way to make a small fortune in racing is to start with a massive
    fortune and work down.

    When your local circle track racer will spend $12,000 on a new engine to
    win a $300 prize....

    When your local SCCA racer will spend $10,000 a year running an Improved Touring class car to win a $10 trophy plaque....

    When your local autocrosser will rack up $5000 a year in tire and
    travels costs for 20 minutes of total track time in a year for a few $5 trophys.....

    You can figure out really quickly that Racers be Crazy!

    geeps
    Equana
    3/23/18 12:33pm
    When your friend bench races on In-N-Out free wifi about a cammed LS for
    + internet points.....

    Obfuscatio: philosopher at large
    Equana
    3/23/18 1:08pm
    When your local autocrosser will rack up $5000 a year in tire and
    travels costs for 20 minutes of total track time in a year for a few $5 trophys.....

    How much do major league sports fans pay for season’s tickets, parking,
    food & beverages, and travel to and from the venue... and they don’t
    even play the game?

    Now who’s crazy?

    Equana
    Obfuscatio: philosopher at large
    3/23/18 1:21pm
    Sports fans at least get a couple of hours or more of entertainment at
    each event for their dollars. Adds up to many hours over the course of
    the season.

    The participation part of the autocrosser’s sport is a total of 20
    minutes over the year but the real entertainment is hangin’ with their car-friends.

    Note: I’m a sports fan that held season college basketball tickets for
    30 years, autocrossed seriously for 6 years, and SCCA raced for 17 years
    after getting finding out how much more fun a 25 minute sprint race is
    than 3, 45 second autocross runs.

    I fit “crazy” broadly across that spectrum.

    Equana
    geeps
    3/23/18 1:25pm
    At least it’s FREE! Now if he’s making a little campfire with $100 bills
    to get the actual experience...

    Wild Weasel
    Alanis King
    3/23/18 11:52am
    Who spends all that money to run a back-market team? I honestly don’t understand that. I mean... is there some billionaire doing this just for
    kicks?

    If I had millions of dollars, certainly I’d piss a lot of it away to go
    play with cars... but running a race team doesn’t even seem like that
    much personal fun.

    BigBlock440
    Wild Weasel
    3/23/18 12:12pm
    They had 7 drivers and a top-10 finish. They probably thought they had a chance. Or they’re money laundering.

    jcluttrell
    BigBlock440
    3/23/18 12:38pm
    money laundering 100%

    Scot Zediker despises all organic meatbags, except the Master of course. BigBlock440
    3/23/18 12:58pm
    If they’re averaging a finish of 31st, they’re beating someone.

    Wild Weasel
    Scot Zediker despises all organic meatbags, except the Master of course. 3/23/18 1:02pm
    It doesn’t matter if you’re beating anyone though. As an owner, what are you getting out of it? What’s the value for your money? To say you beat
    some even worse team?

    Do they go in thinking they’re gonna be Hendrick or Gibbs and turn it
    into something actually profitable or at least memorable?

    I just don’t get it. If it’s me, I put together an IMSA team so at least
    I can get in a car and give it the ol’ college try.

    Andrew Nier
    Alanis King
    3/23/18 12:03pm
    I have to respect the fact that NASCAR teams are still paying drivers to
    race, even the backmarkers, rather than relying on drivers who bring
    their own money. Not saying there aren’t drivers bringing money to the
    table, Aric Almirola and Smithfield Foods for example, but at least it’s
    not as prevalent as other forms of Motorsport.

    BigBlock440
    Andrew Nier
    3/23/18 12:09pm
    Or Paul Menard.

    Andrew Nier
    BigBlock440
    3/23/18 12:25pm
    Very true, but at least they aren’t terrible drivers. I think the
    closest to a ride buyer in modern NASCAR was Brian Scott. He ran over
    300 races over 10 years in top tier equipment and won all of two truck
    races. It felt like he crashed half the time, but sponsorship from
    family-owned businesses kept him going.

    jcluttrell
    Andrew Nier
    3/23/18 12:36pm
    All top level drivers MUST bring in sponsorship money. The last holdout
    was Jimmy Johnson.

    Andrew Nier
    3/23/18 12:57pm
    There aren’t many ride buyers in Monster Energy Cup, but from what I’ve been reading lately they are becoming more prevalent in Xfinity and the
    truck series.

    Margin Of Error
    Alanis King
    3/23/18 11:46am
    Crack Pipe.
    A Camry with real headlights is 30K

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  • From a425couple@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 24 09:52:29 2018
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    On 3/23/2018 8:16 PM, a425couple wrote:
    Here's How Much It Costs To Run An Underfunded NASCAR Race Team

    Alanis King
    Today 11:42amFiled to: NASCAR
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    An entry from BK Racing in the 2018 Daytona 500.
    Photo: AP Photo/Terry Renna

    Costs in NASCAR are a murky thing. The sport stopped publicizing prize
    money in its top series in 2016, teams often shy away from budget talks
    and a common belief is that younger drivers will make less money than
    the older ones. But one team had to disclose how much it spent to make
    it through the 2016 season.

    While the costs aren’t often made public, things don’t look great: TV ratings are down, tracks have been removing seats for years, NASCAR is
    trying to cut costs for teams to operate, and, while there are no clear numbers, it would be hard to argue that overall cash flow through the
    sport is higher than in the past. After ESPN reported purse money was stagnant in the top Monster Energy NASCAR Cup Series in 2015, NASCAR
    stopped releasing purse information the next year.

    That doesn’t mean underfunded teams are out there running discarded beaters. ESPN obtained documents with Cup Series team BK Racing’s
    spending as it goes through bankruptcy proceedings, and reports that the
    team ran on just over $1 million in sponsorship in 2015 and $1.5 million
    in 2016. BK spent a lot more than that, with recorded losses of $10.1
    million in 2015 and $8.5 million the next year.

    But before we get to the cost details, let’s put this in perspective:
    While NASCAR teams aren’t quick to say how much they spend, not all
    racing series are as shy. Audi and Porsche’s incredibly expensive former
    Le Mans Prototype 1 programs in the World Endurance Championship hovered around $200 million a year and Toyota runs the series with about $100 million, Ferrari’s Formula One budget in 2013 was nearly $500 million
    while some of the back-marker teams spent under $50 million, the top
    IndyCar team in 2013 spent $15 million, and Formula E had a budget cap
    of $3.5 million in 2016.

    That’s a huge range of spending across different series, and shows what
    all of them require to be successful. BK Racing spent nearly $20 million
    in NASCAR’s top tier in 2016, showing the lower end of costs in the land
    of the American V8s.

    ESPN reports that BK Racing fielded 82 cars in 2016, with two running
    full time during the 36-race season and a third running nine races. The
    team raced four cars in the Daytona 500. Racing Reference statistics
    show the team fielded seven drivers in 2016, and had one top-10 finish overall. The team’s average finish in seven years of competing in the
    Cup Series is 31.1 in a roughly 40-car field.

    BK Racing won about $7.8 million in prize money that year, which made up almost 79 percent of its total revenue since the team had such small
    amounts coming in from sponsorship. Usually, as ESPN reports, that
    revenue share is the opposite for top teams—most of the money comes from sponsors.

    BK Racing spent more than $18.1 million to run the 2016 season,
    according to ESPN. Here are the some of the biggest expenses, from the
    story:

    - $5,896,898 (27.5 percent) on payroll and wages — with $3,733,329 in salaries and wages, including other hourly wages and overtime;
    $1,033,471 of contract payroll (pit crews, spotter); and $467,736 in
    driver payroll.

    - $4,093,761 (19.1 percent) on its engine lease.

    - $1,916,327 (8.9 percent) on tires.

    - $1,801,822 (8.4 percent) on travel, including $927,160 for airfare and $432,883 for hotels.

    ESPN has more information on other expenses like brakes, transmissions,
    entry fees, decals and licenses, as well as how much BK Racing owes to
    its creditors.

    NASCAR isn’t cheap, but, like other series show, running a lower-funded team isn’t as expensive as it could be. And while everyone is quick to
    talk about how much less money there is to go around in NASCAR, BK
    Racing’s bankruptcy filings are a humbling reminder that even the most underfunded of teams pay their drivers a higher annual salary than most
    of us will ever make.

    That’s a great note to finish out your workweek on. Just remember that
    next time the boss asks you to stay late, they’re not paying you nearly
    as much to be there as a bankrupt NASCAR team would.

    RECOMMENDED STORIES

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    Alanis King
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    LotsO'Cylinders
    Alanis King
    3/23/18 12:10pm
    The engine lease and tires spending amounts surprised me! Seems high
    but, well, okay.....

    Buffalo Mike
    LotsO'Cylinders
    3/23/18 12:32pm
    Tires are 500$ each.

    BKosher84
    LotsO'Cylinders
    3/23/18 12:36pm
    The engines come directly from Toyota, who develops them themselves..
    That shit ain’t cheap.

    syaieya
    LotsO'Cylinders
    3/23/18 12:40pm
    Going off numbers i heard in the arca pits. Thats averaging 2 and a half
    sets of tires every race per car. And im sure half that engine budget is super speedway cars

    effingnewguy
    BKosher84
    3/23/18 12:42pm
    I find it hilarious that Toyota had to develop a cast iron, pushrod, carburated V8.

    Equana
    Alanis King
    3/23/18 11:57am
    Best way to make a small fortune in racing is to start with a massive
    fortune and work down.

    When your local circle track racer will spend $12,000 on a new engine to
    win a $300 prize....

    When your local SCCA racer will spend $10,000 a year running an Improved Touring class car to win a $10 trophy plaque....

    When your local autocrosser will rack up $5000 a year in tire and
    travels costs for 20 minutes of total track time in a year for a few $5 trophys.....

    You can figure out really quickly that Racers be Crazy!

    geeps
    Equana
    3/23/18 12:33pm
    When your friend bench races on In-N-Out free wifi about a cammed LS for
    + internet points.....

    Obfuscatio: philosopher at large
    Equana
    3/23/18 1:08pm
    When your local autocrosser will rack up $5000 a year in tire and
    travels costs for 20 minutes of total track time in a year for a few $5 trophys.....

    How much do major league sports fans pay for season’s tickets, parking, food & beverages, and travel to and from the venue... and they don’t
    even play the game?

    Now who’s crazy?

    Equana
    Obfuscatio: philosopher at large
    3/23/18 1:21pm
    Sports fans at least get a couple of hours or more of entertainment at
    each event for their dollars. Adds up to many hours over the course of
    the season.

    The participation part of the autocrosser’s sport is a total of 20
    minutes over the year but the real entertainment is hangin’ with their car-friends.

    Note: I’m a sports fan that held season college basketball tickets for
    30 years, autocrossed seriously for 6 years, and SCCA raced for 17 years after getting finding out how much more fun a 25 minute sprint race is
    than 3, 45 second autocross runs.

    I fit “crazy” broadly across that spectrum.

    Equana
    geeps
    3/23/18 1:25pm
    At least it’s FREE! Now if he’s making a little campfire with $100 bills to get the actual experience...

    Wild Weasel
    Alanis King
    3/23/18 11:52am
    Who spends all that money to run a back-market team? I honestly don’t understand that. I mean... is there some billionaire doing this just for kicks?

    If I had millions of dollars, certainly I’d piss a lot of it away to go play with cars... but running a race team doesn’t even seem like that
    much personal fun.

    BigBlock440
    Wild Weasel
    3/23/18 12:12pm
    They had 7 drivers and a top-10 finish. They probably thought they had a chance. Or they’re money laundering.

    jcluttrell
    BigBlock440
    3/23/18 12:38pm
    money laundering 100%

    Scot Zediker despises all organic meatbags, except the Master of course. BigBlock440
    3/23/18 12:58pm
    If they’re averaging a finish of 31st, they’re beating someone.

    Wild Weasel
    Scot Zediker despises all organic meatbags, except the Master of course. 3/23/18 1:02pm
    It doesn’t matter if you’re beating anyone though. As an owner, what are you getting out of it? What’s the value for your money? To say you beat some even worse team?

    Do they go in thinking they’re gonna be Hendrick or Gibbs and turn it
    into something actually profitable or at least memorable?

    I just don’t get it. If it’s me, I put together an IMSA team so at least I can get in a car and give it the ol’ college try.

    Andrew Nier
    Alanis King
    3/23/18 12:03pm
    I have to respect the fact that NASCAR teams are still paying drivers to race, even the backmarkers, rather than relying on drivers who bring
    their own money. Not saying there aren’t drivers bringing money to the table, Aric Almirola and Smithfield Foods for example, but at least it’s not as prevalent as other forms of Motorsport.

    BigBlock440
    Andrew Nier
    3/23/18 12:09pm
    Or Paul Menard.

    Andrew Nier
    BigBlock440
    3/23/18 12:25pm
    Very true, but at least they aren’t terrible drivers. I think the
    closest to a ride buyer in modern NASCAR was Brian Scott. He ran over
    300 races over 10 years in top tier equipment and won all of two truck
    races. It felt like he crashed half the time, but sponsorship from family-owned businesses kept him going.

    jcluttrell
    Andrew Nier
    3/23/18 12:36pm
    All top level drivers MUST bring in sponsorship money. The last holdout
    was Jimmy Johnson.

    Andrew Nier
    3/23/18 12:57pm
    There aren’t many ride buyers in Monster Energy Cup, but from what I’ve been reading lately they are becoming more prevalent in Xfinity and the
    truck series.

    Margin Of Error
    Alanis King
    3/23/18 11:46am
    Crack Pipe.
    A Camry with real headlights is 30K

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    ctothefuture
    Alanis King
    3/23/18 2:58pm
    Everyone on reddit seems to have a solution to this problem, I’ll
    present mine.

    NASCAR needs to do several things to bring the racing product up to par,
    be cheaper to run, and more enjoyable for fans.

    Make the cars setup for low downforce, high horsepower. The best racing
    in the history of NASCAR was with flying bricks at 200 MPH. Oval racing
    isn’t fun when it’s follow the leader for 200 laps.

    Make spec bodies, engines, and drivetrains. Seriously, how hard would it
    be to have NASCAR become a spec series? It would save MILLIONS in R&D,
    allow smaller teams to be more profitable, and allow sponsors to put in
    less cash per race allowing more opportunities.

    The governing body of NASCAR needs to get their shit together. I love
    NASCAR, I will always be an apologist for NASCAR in the real world, but
    they are driving me nuts. Name me one major sport in the USA that has drastically changed their Championship format several times in 15 years.

    NASCAR thinks a knee jerk reaction will solve their problems, when all
    it does is alienate fans. Make it cheaper, make it easier, and make it
    simple. They will come, they always do.

    Also, FUCK BRIAN FRANCE.

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    DoctorsTARDIS
    rctothefuture
    3/23/18 3:46pm
    The best racing was never at 200 MPH.

    It’s at the short tracks.

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    rctothefuture
    DoctorsTARDIS
    3/23/18 4:24pm
    Any Daytona 500 from 88-05 would disagree with your statement slightly.

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    WildcatsLodge
    rctothefuture
    3/23/18 5:43pm
    +1 Fuck Brian France

    It’s always the third generation that fucks things up for everybody. See also: George, Tony

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    DoctorsTARDIS
    rctothefuture
    3/23/18 6:10pm
    I’ll give you the restrictor plate tracks are usually great racing, as
    can be the road courses. But I still stand by the *best* being the short tracks.

    It’s those “intermediate” tracks that there are SO MANY OF that more often than not put on a poor show.

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    InfiniteAntar
    Alanis King
    3/23/18 12:04pm
    That doesn’t mean underfunded teams are out there running discarded beaters.

    Am I the only one who would actually start watching NASCAR if they only
    ran discarded beaters?

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    WRXforScience
    Alanis King
    3/23/18 11:54am
    $1,916,327 (8.9 percent) on tires.

    That makes me feel a lot better about my tire budget for the last couple
    of years.

    RXforScience
    3/23/18 12:55pm
    I remember a few years ago seeing an article in Car & Driver about start-and-park teams in what was then the Nationwide Series. One of them
    was Morgan Shepherd, and his usual reason for retiring from a race was “handling.” He explained it thusly:

    “I only bring one set of tires on a race weekend, and when they’re wore out, the car don’t handle.”

    Left Lane is for Passing
    Alanis King
    3/23/18 12:21pm
    BK Racing is funneling that drug money....only explanation for average
    finish of 32 and a deficit of $10 million

    Manwich
    Alanis King
    3/23/18 12:55pm
    This reminds me of “Project Luser” in the world of Dilbert:

    http://dilbert.com/strip/1998-03-26

    AdamVIP
    Alanis King
    3/23/18 4:21pm
    So assuming all drivers on their team are paid the same rate (probably
    not really), there were 4 drivers total (possible but maybe not), and
    each race paid the same total (Probably not), drivers 1 and 2 made
    $190,046.20 that year, driver 3 made $47,511.54 and driver 4 made $5,279.06.

    Not too bad.

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    NotLewisHamilton
    Alanis King
    3/23/18 10:45pm
    Boss: “Edwards? I need you to finish up those spreadsheets before you
    leave for the weekend.”

    Edwards:”Are you paying me NASCAR money?”

    Boss:”What? No...”

    Edwards: “I’m outta here.”

    Reply

    Osmodious
    Alanis King
    3/23/18 5:49pm
    My favorite racing joke was brought to mind by this article...

    “Know how to make a small fortune racing? .... Start with a large fortune.”

    Reply

    Jeff Pulaski
    Alanis King
    3/23/18 11:38pm
    They need to go back to places like North Wilkesboro and Rockingham that already have the correct number of seats.


    Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
    Alanis King
    3/23/18 12:53pm
    I have a solution https://oppositelock.kinja.com/new-idea-for-a-racing-series-1823732468

    Jayvincent
    Alanis King
    3/23/18 7:38pm
    It costs everything. Every. Damn. Thing. That’s why its a hobby, not a profession.

    Reply

    heavysquad
    Alanis King
    3/23/18 12:55pm
    1.5 Million for drivers, spotters and pit crew, who gets the other 3.8
    million?

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    offyatindy
    Alanis King
    3/23/18 6:05pm
    IndyCar sounds like a bargain !

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