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    From geoff@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 23 21:22:36 2023
    Another Merc strategy fail ....

    geoff

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  • From John Milner@21:1/5 to geoff on Mon Oct 23 09:53:19 2023
    On 23/10/2023 09:22, geoff wrote:

    Another Merc strategy fail ....

    Are you talking about Merc's tyre strategy or the car's 'technical
    error' that led to his disqualification?

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    JohnM

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  • From John Milner@21:1/5 to Mark on Mon Oct 23 10:55:02 2023
    On 23/10/2023 10:27, Mark wrote:
    John Milner <john.milner@gmx.invalid> wrote:

    On 23/10/2023 09:22, geoff wrote:

    Another Merc strategy fail ....

    Are you talking about Merc's tyre strategy or the car's 'technical
    error' that led to his disqualification?

    WHy not both?

    That would imply 'strategies' rather than 'strategy'?


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    JohnM

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  • From Mark@21:1/5 to John Milner on Mon Oct 23 10:06:17 2023
    John Milner <john.milner@gmx.invalid> wrote:
    On 23/10/2023 10:27, Mark wrote:
    John Milner <john.milner@gmx.invalid> wrote:

    On 23/10/2023 09:22, geoff wrote:

    Another Merc strategy fail ....

    Are you talking about Merc's tyre strategy or the car's 'technical
    error' that led to his disqualification?

    WHy not both?

    That would imply 'strategies' rather than 'strategy'?

    Not necessarily - a single failure of strategy can have multiple
    impacts.

    Let's not get into nit-picking, though - I'm sure we've both had plenty
    of practice. ;-)

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  • From geoff@21:1/5 to John Milner on Mon Oct 23 23:12:24 2023
    On 23/10/2023 9:53 pm, John Milner wrote:
    On 23/10/2023 09:22, geoff wrote:

    Another Merc strategy fail ....

    Are you talking about Merc's tyre strategy or the car's 'technical
    error' that led to his disqualification?


    The 'too late' tyre stop.

    Hadn't heard about the skids things when I posted.

    geoff

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  • From John Milner@21:1/5 to Mark on Mon Oct 23 11:12:51 2023
    On 23/10/2023 11:06, Mark wrote:
    John Milner <john.milner@gmx.invalid> wrote:
    On 23/10/2023 10:27, Mark wrote:
    John Milner <john.milner@gmx.invalid> wrote:

    On 23/10/2023 09:22, geoff wrote:

    Another Merc strategy fail ....

    Are you talking about Merc's tyre strategy or the car's 'technical
    error' that led to his disqualification?

    WHy not both?

    That would imply 'strategies' rather than 'strategy'?

    Not necessarily - a single failure of strategy can have multiple
    impacts.

    Let's not get into nit-picking, though - I'm sure we've both had plenty
    of practice. ;-)
    LOL

    Anyone know what the 'technical error' was?

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    JohnM

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  • From Mark@21:1/5 to John Milner on Mon Oct 23 09:27:02 2023
    John Milner <john.milner@gmx.invalid> wrote:
    On 23/10/2023 09:22, geoff wrote:

    Another Merc strategy fail ....

    Are you talking about Merc's tyre strategy or the car's 'technical
    error' that led to his disqualification?

    WHy not both?

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  • From John Milner@21:1/5 to geoff on Mon Oct 23 11:17:46 2023
    On 23/10/2023 11:12, geoff wrote:
    On 23/10/2023 9:53 pm, John Milner wrote:
    On 23/10/2023 09:22, geoff wrote:

    Another Merc strategy fail ....

    Are you talking about Merc's tyre strategy or the car's 'technical
    error' that led to his disqualification?

    The 'too late' tyre stop.

    I thought that Merc wanted to have enough tyre performance over the last
    laps to catch Max who was on older tyres, and so extended Lewis' middle
    stint. It was always going to be a guessing-game, and it almost worked.

    Hadn't heard about the skids things when I posted.

    geoff


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  • From Mark@21:1/5 to John Milner on Mon Oct 23 10:27:49 2023
    John Milner <john.milner@gmx.invalid> wrote:
    On 23/10/2023 11:12, geoff wrote:
    On 23/10/2023 9:53 pm, John Milner wrote:
    On 23/10/2023 09:22, geoff wrote:

    Another Merc strategy fail ....

    Are you talking about Merc's tyre strategy or the car's 'technical
    error' that led to his disqualification?

    The 'too late' tyre stop.

    I thought that Merc wanted to have enough tyre performance over the last
    laps to catch Max who was on older tyres, and so extended Lewis' middle stint. It was always going to be a guessing-game, and it almost worked.

    Has anyone read the full report? Was it a marginal breach (possibly
    explained by tyre wear) or more significant caused by running too
    marginal a setup?

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  • From Dan the Man@21:1/5 to Mark on Mon Oct 23 09:32:06 2023
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 6:27:52 AM UTC-4, Mark wrote:
    John Milner <john....@gmx.invalid> wrote:
    On 23/10/2023 11:12, geoff wrote:
    On 23/10/2023 9:53 pm, John Milner wrote:
    On 23/10/2023 09:22, geoff wrote:

    Another Merc strategy fail ....

    Are you talking about Merc's tyre strategy or the car's 'technical
    error' that led to his disqualification?

    The 'too late' tyre stop.

    I thought that Merc wanted to have enough tyre performance over the last laps to catch Max who was on older tyres, and so extended Lewis' middle stint. It was always going to be a guessing-game, and it almost worked.
    Has anyone read the full report? Was it a marginal breach (possibly explained by tyre wear) or more significant caused by running too
    marginal a setup?
    Here's what I got on ESPN.com: https://www.espn.com/f1/story/_/id/38722021/lewis-hamilton-charles-leclerc-disqualified-us-grand-prix
    In a nutshell, the plank on the underside of HAM's and LEC's cars was worn too thin. The stewards acknowledged that the bumpy track and additional sprint race left the crews with less time to prep the cars for the Sunday GP, but both men were still DQ'd.
    VER and NOR were also spot-checked and passed.

    Dan

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  • From Phil Carmody@21:1/5 to John Milner on Mon Oct 23 23:27:54 2023
    John Milner <john.milner@gmx.invalid> writes:
    On 23/10/2023 11:06, Mark wrote:
    John Milner <john.milner@gmx.invalid> wrote:
    On 23/10/2023 10:27, Mark wrote:
    John Milner <john.milner@gmx.invalid> wrote:

    On 23/10/2023 09:22, geoff wrote:

    Another Merc strategy fail ....

    Are you talking about Merc's tyre strategy or the car's 'technical
    error' that led to his disqualification?

    WHy not both?

    That would imply 'strategies' rather than 'strategy'?

    Not necessarily - a single failure of strategy can have multiple
    impacts.

    Let's not get into nit-picking, though - I'm sure we've both had plenty
    of practice. ;-)
    LOL

    Anyone know what the 'technical error' was?

    Wear on the boards, they were too low.

    "But we didn't have enough time to fine-tune ride heights, wah, wah, wah"

    Phil
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