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    From a425couple@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 30 07:50:26 2022
    from
    https://www.planetf1.com/features/f1-drivers-height-weight-2023/

    F1 drivers’ height and weight: A full rundown of the 2023 grid
    Thomas Maher Thursday 29th December 2022 9:00 AM
    The Formula 1 2022 drivers, pictured at the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix. Yas
    Marina, November 2022. F1 height

    Here is each one of the 2023 Formula 1 drivers’ height and weight at the beginning of the new season.

    In Formula 1, even small details such as a driver’s height and weight
    can be of utmost importance as it dictates how much ballast their car
    needs, as well as how affecting how that ballast can be positioned.

    In general, the shorter and smaller a driver is, the better it is for
    the car designers to ensure an optimal package, even in terms of how the airflow around and above their helmets can be directed.

    Unsurprisingly, the driver’s weights are also maintained to a huge
    degree throughout the season, as necessitated by the sport’s minimum
    weight requirements for a suited and booted driver sitting in his car.

    Who are the tallest Formula 1 drivers?
    Two drivers share the honour of being Formula 1’s tallest, with Esteban
    Ocon and Alex Albon both measuring up at 1.86 metres tall (6’2″).

    This is just ahead of George Russell, who is 1.85 metres tall, and the returning Nico Hulkenberg (1.84 metres).

    Fresh-faced rookie Logan Sargeant is also at the tall end of the grid,
    with the American coming in at 1.81 metres tall. Fellow rookie Oscar
    Piastri is 1.78 metres tall.

    Who is the shortest Formula 1 driver?
    This is a title that one driver hasn’t had to share since arriving in
    Formula 1 in 2021, and isn’t likely to be usurped any time soon.

    Yuki Tsunoda is F1’s shortest driver, coming in at 1.59 metres tall – 27 centimetres shorter than the towering Ocon/Albon.

    Rookie Nyck de Vries is the closest to seeing things eye-to-eye with
    Tsunoda, with the Dutch driver stacking up at 1.67 metres tall.

    2023 Formula 1 drivers’ height and weight
    Fernando Alonso – 1.71m 68kg
    Lewis Hamilton – 1.74m 73kg
    Nico Hulkenberg – 1.84m 78kg
    Valtteri Bottas – 1.73m 69kg
    Sergio Perez – 1.73m 63kg
    Kevin Magnussen – 1.74m 68kg
    Carlos Sainz – 1.78m 66kg
    Nyck de Vries – 1.67m 67kg
    Pierre Gasly – 1.77m 70kg
    Alex Albon – 1.86m 73kg
    Esteban Ocon – 1.86m 66kg
    Max Verstappen – 1.81m 72kg
    Charles Leclerc – 1.80m 69kg
    George Russell – 1.85m 70kg
    Lance Stroll – 1.82m 70kg
    Zhou Guanyu – 1.76m 63kg
    Lando Norris – 1.70m 68kg
    Yuki Tsunoda – 1.59m 54kg
    Logan Sargeant – 1.81m 71kg
    Oscar Piastri – 1.78m 68kg

    Who are the heaviest and lightest F1 drivers?
    Unsurprisingly, the tallest drivers also are amongst the heaviest – Alex Albon, Nico Hulkenberg, Lewis Hamilton, and Max Verstappen are all over
    70kg in weight. Esteban Ocon may be tall, but he’s very light, weighing
    just 66kg.

    Yuki Tsunoda, as the shortest driver, is significantly lighter than the
    rest of his peers. The Japanese driver is just 54kg in weight (or
    approximately nine stone).

    Read More: F1 driver numbers: Which numbers will the 20 F1 drivers be
    using in 2023?

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  • From Phil Carmody@21:1/5 to a425couple@hotmail.com on Wed Jan 4 02:08:19 2023
    a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> writes:
    2023 Formula 1 drivers’ height and weight
    ...
    Who are the heaviest and lightest F1 drivers?
    Unsurprisingly, the tallest drivers also are amongst the heaviest –
    Alex Albon, Nico Hulkenberg, Lewis Hamilton, and Max Verstappen are
    all over 70kg in weight. Esteban Ocon may be tall, but he’s very
    light, weighing just 66kg.

    Yuki Tsunoda, as the shortest driver, is significantly lighter than
    the rest of his peers. The Japanese driver is just 54kg in weight (or approximately nine stone).

    Which invites a calculation of their BMI!
    (Using the original m/h^2 bollox which makes tall athletes appear like
    chubbers - I can run it with a different exponent if people really GAF)

    Fernando Alonso – 1.71m 68kg 23.3
    Lewis Hamilton – 1.74m 73kg 24.1
    Nico Hulkenberg – 1.84m 78kg 23.0
    Valtteri Bottas – 1.73m 69kg 23.0
    Sergio Perez – 1.73m 63kg 21.0
    Kevin Magnussen – 1.74m 68kg 22.5
    Carlos Sainz – 1.78m 66kg 20.8
    Nyck de Vries – 1.67m 67kg 24.0
    Pierre Gasly – 1.77m 70kg 22.3
    Alex Albon – 1.86m 73kg 21.1
    Esteban Ocon – 1.86m 66kg 19.1
    Max Verstappen – 1.81m 72kg 22.0
    Charles Leclerc – 1.80m 69kg 21.3
    George Russell – 1.85m 70kg 20.5
    Lance Stroll – 1.82m 70kg 21.1
    Zhou Guanyu – 1.76m 63kg 20.3
    Lando Norris – 1.70m 68kg 23.5
    Yuki Tsunoda – 1.59m 54kg 21.4
    Logan Sargeant – 1.81m 71kg 21.7
    Oscar Piastri – 1.78m 68kg 21.5

    Given that BMI penalises tall athletes, Esteban must be one skinny
    chappy. And presumably, as he's is no giant and BMI penalises (by being
    higher) the more muscular, Lewis is the most buff.

    However, they're all so close I think this just proves they're all
    just fit adult males.

    Phil
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  • From Martin Harran@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 4 08:23:13 2023
    On Wed, 04 Jan 2023 02:08:19 +0200, Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org>
    wrote:

    a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> writes:
    2023 Formula 1 drivers’ height and weight
    ...
    Who are the heaviest and lightest F1 drivers?
    Unsurprisingly, the tallest drivers also are amongst the heaviest –
    Alex Albon, Nico Hulkenberg, Lewis Hamilton, and Max Verstappen are
    all over 70kg in weight. Esteban Ocon may be tall, but he’s very
    light, weighing just 66kg.

    Yuki Tsunoda, as the shortest driver, is significantly lighter than
    the rest of his peers. The Japanese driver is just 54kg in weight (or
    approximately nine stone).

    Which invites a calculation of their BMI!
    (Using the original m/h^2 bollox which makes tall athletes appear like >chubbers - I can run it with a different exponent if people really GAF)

    Fernando Alonso – 1.71m 68kg 23.3
    Lewis Hamilton – 1.74m 73kg 24.1
    Nico Hulkenberg – 1.84m 78kg 23.0
    Valtteri Bottas – 1.73m 69kg 23.0
    Sergio Perez – 1.73m 63kg 21.0
    Kevin Magnussen – 1.74m 68kg 22.5
    Carlos Sainz – 1.78m 66kg 20.8
    Nyck de Vries – 1.67m 67kg 24.0
    Pierre Gasly – 1.77m 70kg 22.3
    Alex Albon – 1.86m 73kg 21.1
    Esteban Ocon – 1.86m 66kg 19.1
    Max Verstappen – 1.81m 72kg 22.0
    Charles Leclerc – 1.80m 69kg 21.3
    George Russell – 1.85m 70kg 20.5
    Lance Stroll – 1.82m 70kg 21.1
    Zhou Guanyu – 1.76m 63kg 20.3
    Lando Norris – 1.70m 68kg 23.5
    Yuki Tsunoda – 1.59m 54kg 21.4
    Logan Sargeant – 1.81m 71kg 21.7
    Oscar Piastri – 1.78m 68kg 21.5

    Given that BMI penalises tall athletes, Esteban must be one skinny
    chappy. And presumably, as he's is no giant and BMI penalises (by being >higher) the more muscular, Lewis is the most buff.

    However, they're all so close I think this just proves they're all
    just fit adult males.

    And not really much diifferent from women ;)


    Phil

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  • From Phil Carmody@21:1/5 to Martin Harran on Wed Jan 4 11:03:37 2023
    Martin Harran <martinharran@gmail.com> writes:
    On Wed, 04 Jan 2023 02:08:19 +0200, Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org>
    wrote:
    Fernando Alonso – 1.71m 68kg 23.3
    Lewis Hamilton – 1.74m 73kg 24.1
    Nico Hulkenberg – 1.84m 78kg 23.0
    Valtteri Bottas – 1.73m 69kg 23.0
    Sergio Perez – 1.73m 63kg 21.0
    Kevin Magnussen – 1.74m 68kg 22.5
    Carlos Sainz – 1.78m 66kg 20.8
    Nyck de Vries – 1.67m 67kg 24.0
    Pierre Gasly – 1.77m 70kg 22.3
    Alex Albon – 1.86m 73kg 21.1
    Esteban Ocon – 1.86m 66kg 19.1
    Max Verstappen – 1.81m 72kg 22.0
    Charles Leclerc – 1.80m 69kg 21.3
    George Russell – 1.85m 70kg 20.5
    Lance Stroll – 1.82m 70kg 21.1
    Zhou Guanyu – 1.76m 63kg 20.3
    Lando Norris – 1.70m 68kg 23.5
    Yuki Tsunoda – 1.59m 54kg 21.4
    Logan Sargeant – 1.81m 71kg 21.7
    Oscar Piastri – 1.78m 68kg 21.5

    Given that BMI penalises tall athletes, Esteban must be one skinny
    chappy. And presumably, as he's is no giant and BMI penalises (by being >>higher) the more muscular, Lewis is the most buff.

    However, they're all so close I think this just proves they're all
    just fit adult males.

    And not really much diifferent from women ;)

    I'm sure I could tell them apart in a dark nightclub, but point taken.
    I'm sure Danica and Jamie would weigh in at about the same level.

    Phil
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  • From texas gate@21:1/5 to martin...@gmail.com on Wed Jan 4 05:07:59 2023
    On Wednesday, January 4, 2023 at 1:23:14 AM UTC-7, martin...@gmail.com wrote:

    And not really much diifferent from women ;)

    get a life, troll

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  • From Martin Harran@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 6 17:23:12 2023
    On Wed, 04 Jan 2023 11:03:37 +0200, Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org>
    wrote:

    Martin Harran <martinharran@gmail.com> writes:
    On Wed, 04 Jan 2023 02:08:19 +0200, Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org>
    wrote:
    Fernando Alonso – 1.71m 68kg 23.3
    Lewis Hamilton – 1.74m 73kg 24.1
    Nico Hulkenberg – 1.84m 78kg 23.0
    Valtteri Bottas – 1.73m 69kg 23.0
    Sergio Perez – 1.73m 63kg 21.0
    Kevin Magnussen – 1.74m 68kg 22.5
    Carlos Sainz – 1.78m 66kg 20.8
    Nyck de Vries – 1.67m 67kg 24.0
    Pierre Gasly – 1.77m 70kg 22.3
    Alex Albon – 1.86m 73kg 21.1
    Esteban Ocon – 1.86m 66kg 19.1
    Max Verstappen – 1.81m 72kg 22.0
    Charles Leclerc – 1.80m 69kg 21.3
    George Russell – 1.85m 70kg 20.5
    Lance Stroll – 1.82m 70kg 21.1
    Zhou Guanyu – 1.76m 63kg 20.3
    Lando Norris – 1.70m 68kg 23.5
    Yuki Tsunoda – 1.59m 54kg 21.4
    Logan Sargeant – 1.81m 71kg 21.7
    Oscar Piastri – 1.78m 68kg 21.5

    Given that BMI penalises tall athletes, Esteban must be one skinny >>>chappy. And presumably, as he's is no giant and BMI penalises (by being >>>higher) the more muscular, Lewis is the most buff.

    However, they're all so close I think this just proves they're all
    just fit adult males.

    And not really much diifferent from women ;)

    I'm sure I could tell them apart in a dark nightclub, but point taken.
    I'm sure Danica and Jamie would weigh in at about the same level.

    But not quite the same shape ;)


    Phil

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  • From texas gate@21:1/5 to martin...@gmail.com on Fri Jan 6 23:11:53 2023
    On Friday, January 6, 2023 at 10:23:15 AM UTC-7, martin...@gmail.com wrote:

    But not quite the same shape ;)

    yes, very small
    like your skull

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  • From bra@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 11 19:52:44 2023
    On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 7:50:29 AM UTC-8, a425couple wrote:
    from
    https://www.planetf1.com/features/f1-drivers-height-weight-2023/

    F1 drivers’ height and weight: A full rundown of the 2023 grid
    Thomas Maher Thursday 29th December 2022 9:00 AM
    The Formula 1 2022 drivers, pictured at the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix. Yas Marina, November 2022. F1 height

    Here is each one of the 2023 Formula 1 drivers’ height and weight at the beginning of the new season.


    In some race categories,--- in F1 too? ---- the machine and driver together must weigh the same as every other machine+driver.

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  • From texas gate@21:1/5 to bra on Thu Jan 12 21:25:55 2023
    On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 8:52:45 PM UTC-7, bra wrote:

    the machine

    every other machine

    machine?
    lol
    wtf?

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to bra on Sat Jan 14 11:06:36 2023
    On 2023-01-11 19:52, bra wrote:
    On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 7:50:29 AM UTC-8, a425couple wrote:
    from
    https://www.planetf1.com/features/f1-drivers-height-weight-2023/

    F1 drivers’ height and weight: A full rundown of the 2023 grid
    Thomas Maher Thursday 29th December 2022 9:00 AM
    The Formula 1 2022 drivers, pictured at the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix. Yas
    Marina, November 2022. F1 height

    Here is each one of the 2023 Formula 1 drivers’ height and weight at the >> beginning of the new season.


    In some race categories,--- in F1 too? ---- the machine and driver together must weigh the same as every other machine+driver.

    Not "the same". In almost all racing classes, there is a minimum weight
    that the car and driver together must not finish the race below.

    In my class, that weight is 1,110 lb. (It used to be 1,100 lb., but when
    the class changed to a spec tire that was heavier than those previously
    used, the minimum was increased slightly).

    F1 falls in this group of classes that run this way.

    The minimum weight for F1 cars with driver included is 798kg. That
    weight was going to be 795kg, but some teams struggled to meet that
    minimum and so the FIA bumped it up by 3kg.

    The rules around this have changed somewhat over the years. At one time,
    teams were allowed to "top up" certain of the cars fluids before being
    weighed, but this resulted in teams carrying water for "cooling" that
    was simply dumped after the car moved off and then added back after the
    race; allowing the car to run at a lower weight for the entire race.

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  • From texas gate@21:1/5 to Alan on Sat Jan 14 18:19:18 2023
    On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 12:06:39 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    Not "the same".

    fuck you and your quotes

    In my class, that weight is 1,110 lb. (It used to be 1,100 lb., but when
    the class changed to a spec tire that was heavier than those previously
    used, the minimum was increased slightly).

    yawn
    you quit racing
    so fuck you and your class

    The minimum weight for F1 cars with driver included is 798kg. That
    weight was going to be 795kg, but some teams struggled to meet that
    minimum and so the FIA bumped it up by 3kg.

    yawn

    The rules around this have changed somewhat over the years. At one time, teams were allowed to "top up" certain of the cars fluids before being weighed, but this resulted in teams carrying water for "cooling" that
    was simply dumped after the car moved off and then added back after the
    race; allowing the car to run at a lower weight for the entire race.

    so they cheated like you in the rasf1 pool
    fuck off asshole

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  • From ~misfit~@21:1/5 to bra on Mon Jan 16 00:30:59 2023
    On 12/01/2023 4:52 pm, bra wrote:
    On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 7:50:29 AM UTC-8, a425couple wrote:
    from
    https://www.planetf1.com/features/f1-drivers-height-weight-2023/

    F1 drivers’ height and weight: A full rundown of the 2023 grid
    Thomas Maher Thursday 29th December 2022 9:00 AM
    The Formula 1 2022 drivers, pictured at the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix. Yas
    Marina, November 2022. F1 height

    Here is each one of the 2023 Formula 1 drivers’ height and weight at the >> beginning of the new season.


    In some race categories,--- in F1 too? ---- the machine and driver together must weigh the same as every other machine+driver.

    I believe that in F1 there is a minimum weight only. They can be over that weight (but for obvious
    reasons rarely are by much).
    --
    Shaun.

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  • From keithr0@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jan 15 22:23:58 2023
    On 15/01/2023 9:30 pm, ~misfit~ wrote:
    On 12/01/2023 4:52 pm, bra wrote:
    On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 7:50:29 AM UTC-8, a425couple wrote:
    from
    https://www.planetf1.com/features/f1-drivers-height-weight-2023/

    F1 drivers’ height and weight: A full rundown of the 2023 grid
    Thomas Maher Thursday 29th December 2022 9:00 AM
    The Formula 1 2022 drivers, pictured at the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix. Yas
    Marina, November 2022. F1 height

    Here is each one of the 2023 Formula 1 drivers’ height and weight at the >>> beginning of the new season.


    In some race categories,--- in F1 too?  ---- the machine and driver
    together must weigh the same as every other machine+driver.

    I believe that in F1 there is a minimum weight only. They can be over
    that weight (but for obvious reasons rarely are by much).

    To quote Barnes Wallis "Weight is only of an advantage if you are
    designing steamrollers"

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  • From Mark Jackson@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jan 15 10:49:40 2023
    On 1/15/2023 7:23 AM, keithr0 wrote:
    On 15/01/2023 9:30 pm, ~misfit~ wrote:
    On 12/01/2023 4:52 pm, bra wrote:

    In some race categories,--- in F1 too? ---- the machine and
    driver together must weigh the same as every other
    machine+driver.

    I believe that in F1 there is a minimum weight only. They can be
    over that weight (but for obvious reasons rarely are by much).

    To quote Barnes Wallis "Weight is only of an advantage if you are
    designing steamrollers"

    From 1928 through 1937 the AIACR regulations for cars contesting Grand
    Prix events were primarily about weight, leaving engines essentially unregulated:

    1928 weight 550-750 kg
    1929-33 minimum weight 900 kg
    1934-37 MAXIMUM weight 750 kg

    The logic behind the last was that larger (and even dual) engines, while
    giving more power, inevitably came with more weight and therefore could
    be controlled with a maximum weight formula. Mercedes and Auto Union
    soon demonstrated that this was ineffective in practice.

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  • From Sir Tim@21:1/5 to Mark Jackson on Mon Jan 16 19:13:46 2023
    Mark Jackson <mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
    On 1/15/2023 7:23 AM, keithr0 wrote:
    On 15/01/2023 9:30 pm, ~misfit~ wrote:
    On 12/01/2023 4:52 pm, bra wrote:

    In some race categories,--- in F1 too? ---- the machine and
    driver together must weigh the same as every other
    machine+driver.

    I believe that in F1 there is a minimum weight only. They can be
    over that weight (but for obvious reasons rarely are by much).

    To quote Barnes Wallis "Weight is only of an advantage if you are
    designing steamrollers"

    From 1928 through 1937 the AIACR regulations for cars contesting Grand
    Prix events were primarily about weight, leaving engines essentially unregulated:

    1928 weight 550-750 kg
    1929-33 minimum weight 900 kg
    1934-37 MAXIMUM weight 750 kg

    The logic behind the last was that larger (and even dual) engines, while giving more power, inevitably came with more weight and therefore could
    be controlled with a maximum weight formula. Mercedes and Auto Union
    soon demonstrated that this was ineffective in practice.


    The reason that the Silver Arrows became silver is said to have been
    because the team removed the white paintwork in order to meet the 750 kg requirement (allegedly :-))

    --
    Sir Tim

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  • From Mark Jackson@21:1/5 to Sir Tim on Mon Jan 16 14:30:05 2023
    On 1/16/2023 2:13 PM, Sir Tim wrote:
    Mark Jackson <mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:

    From 1928 through 1937 the AIACR regulations for cars contesting Grand
    Prix events were primarily about weight, leaving engines essentially
    unregulated:

    1928 weight 550-750 kg
    1929-33 minimum weight 900 kg
    1934-37 MAXIMUM weight 750 kg

    The logic behind the last was that larger (and even dual) engines, while
    giving more power, inevitably came with more weight and therefore could
    be controlled with a maximum weight formula. Mercedes and Auto Union
    soon demonstrated that this was ineffective in practice.


    The reason that the Silver Arrows became silver is said to have been
    because the team removed the white paintwork in order to meet the 750 kg requirement (allegedly :-))

    Alleged by Neubauer himself, although he was known to be less than fully reliable:

    "There is however, controversy and doubt regarding this story. It did
    not appear until 1958, and no reference to it has been found in
    contemporary sources. It has since been established that von Brauchitsch
    had raced a streamlined silver SSKL on the AVUS in 1932, which was
    called a Silver Arrow in live radio coverage. Also, in 1934, both
    Mercedes and Auto Union had entered the Avusrennen with silver cars. The
    next big event was the 1934 Eifelrennen, but as few cars complying to
    the new rules were ready, it was held for Formule Libre, so weight was
    still not a race-critical issue at that time.[1] By the 1930s, modern stressed-skin aircraft fuselage construction was already using polished
    and unpainted aluminium panels for streamlining and to save weight.
    Neubauer's 1958 autobiography has been shown to include several
    embellished stories and dubious claims, including a fabricated hoax
    surrounding the 1933 Tripoli Grand Prix, where he falsely accused
    several drivers of "fixing" the race.[2]"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_Arrows

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  • From Sir Tim@21:1/5 to Mark Jackson on Tue Jan 17 07:24:28 2023
    Mark Jackson <mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
    On 1/16/2023 2:13 PM, Sir Tim wrote:
    Mark Jackson <mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:

    From 1928 through 1937 the AIACR regulations for cars contesting Grand
    Prix events were primarily about weight, leaving engines essentially
    unregulated:

    1928 weight 550-750 kg
    1929-33 minimum weight 900 kg
    1934-37 MAXIMUM weight 750 kg

    The logic behind the last was that larger (and even dual) engines, while >>> giving more power, inevitably came with more weight and therefore could
    be controlled with a maximum weight formula. Mercedes and Auto Union
    soon demonstrated that this was ineffective in practice.


    The reason that the Silver Arrows became silver is said to have been
    because the team removed the white paintwork in order to meet the 750 kg
    requirement (allegedly :-))

    Alleged by Neubauer himself, although he was known to be less than fully reliable:

    "There is however, controversy and doubt regarding this story. It did
    not appear until 1958, and no reference to it has been found in
    contemporary sources. It has since been established that von Brauchitsch
    had raced a streamlined silver SSKL on the AVUS in 1932, which was
    called a Silver Arrow in live radio coverage. Also, in 1934, both
    Mercedes and Auto Union had entered the Avusrennen with silver cars. The
    next big event was the 1934 Eifelrennen, but as few cars complying to
    the new rules were ready, it was held for Formule Libre, so weight was
    still not a race-critical issue at that time.[1] By the 1930s, modern stressed-skin aircraft fuselage construction was already using polished
    and unpainted aluminium panels for streamlining and to save weight. Neubauer's 1958 autobiography has been shown to include several
    embellished stories and dubious claims, including a fabricated hoax surrounding the 1933 Tripoli Grand Prix, where he falsely accused
    several drivers of "fixing" the race.[2]"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_Arrows


    Thanks for this, Mark.

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    Sir Tim

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  • From bra@21:1/5 to Sir Tim on Tue Jan 31 10:19:28 2023
    On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 11:24:31 PM UTC-8, Sir Tim wrote:

    Thanks for this, Mark.
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    Sir Tim

    Years ago in the American monthly magazine for oval racing, OPEN WHEEL, a reporter noted a sprint car team owner grousing in the pits:
    "Do you know how much I've spent on titanium parts this year, and look at my driver; that's his second burger with fries since we got here."

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