• Re: Your thoughts on the '22 F1 season as a whole?

    From XYXPDQ@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 20 13:46:18 2022
    The biggest disappointment to me has to be Merc showing up with a car that not only wasn't competitive but seemingly wanted to break its drivers back. This robbed the fans of the Lewis vs. Max season everyone expected.

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  • From XYXPDQ@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 20 13:41:03 2022
    What did you think of the season? Which drivers and teams ect impressed or disapointed?

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  • From a425couple@21:1/5 to XYXPDQ on Sun Nov 20 16:28:35 2022
    On 11/20/22 13:41, XYXPDQ wrote:
    What did you think of the season? Which drivers and teams ect impressed or disapointed?

    I think it was a pretty good season overall.
    Quite a bit of passing done by racing on the track.
    5 different winning drivers, done in 3 different makes of car.

    Although it was less than ideal, that after starting very strongly
    (2 wins in first 3 races), Ferrari faded in the last half.
    But they were very often a 'threat' to Red Bull.
    And Mercedes was close enough to always be a threat.

    Also the mid-field was interesting with Alpine in the end beating
    McLaren. And even the last of the 10 teams, Williams was faster
    than expected, and earned points 5 times.


    see
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Formula_One_World_Championship

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  • From RzR@21:1/5 to XYXPDQ on Mon Nov 21 10:45:27 2022
    On 11/21/2022 12:41 AM, XYXPDQ wrote:
    What did you think of the season? Which drivers and teams ect impressed or disapointed?

    SHIT season. The attempt to dethrone Mercedes/Hamilton backfired.
    Everyone is laughing at Red Bull and their manipulated championships.

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  • From News@21:1/5 to RzR on Mon Nov 21 11:44:11 2022
    On 11/21/2022 2:45 AM, RzR wrote:
    On 11/21/2022 12:41 AM, XYXPDQ wrote:
      What did you think of the season?  Which drivers and teams ect
    impressed or disapointed?

    SHIT season. The attempt to dethrone Mercedes/Hamilton backfired.
    Everyone is laughing at Red Bull and their manipulated championships.


    Laughing at Toto is more like it.

    Only question: Does he get the boot?

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  • From Dan the Man@21:1/5 to News on Mon Nov 21 17:04:18 2022
    On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 11:44:14 AM UTC-5, News wrote:
    On 11/21/2022 2:45 AM, RzR wrote:
    On 11/21/2022 12:41 AM, XYXPDQ wrote:
    What did you think of the season? Which drivers and teams ect
    impressed or disapointed?

    SHIT season. The attempt to dethrone Mercedes/Hamilton backfired.
    Everyone is laughing at Red Bull and their manipulated championships.
    Laughing at Toto is more like it.

    Only question: Does he get the boot?
    My guess is Wolff gets another shot at it after so many past titles, but it depends on how well he gets along with his superiors at Merc.

    Dan

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  • From RzR@21:1/5 to News on Tue Nov 22 10:45:57 2022
    On 11/21/2022 7:44 PM, News wrote:
    On 11/21/2022 2:45 AM, RzR wrote:
    On 11/21/2022 12:41 AM, XYXPDQ wrote:
      What did you think of the season?  Which drivers and teams ect
    impressed or disapointed?

    SHIT season. The attempt to dethrone Mercedes/Hamilton backfired.
    Everyone is laughing at Red Bull and their manipulated championships.


    Laughing at Toto is more like it.

    Only question: Does he get the boot?

    why, because he won 8 championships in the row? then lost 1 :)

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  • From XYXPDQ@21:1/5 to XYXPDQ on Tue Nov 22 11:04:04 2022
    On Sunday, November 20, 2022 at 1:41:05 PM UTC-8, XYXPDQ wrote:
    What did you think of the season? Which drivers and teams ect impressed or disapointed?


    On the up side the F1 poo throwers actually made an aero/tire package that worked. For the first time in many many years the following car can stay close without destroying the front tires of frying it's brakes. Now if they'd just shrink the cars and
    put them on a diet so two cars can race thru a corner without one or both being forced past the white line.

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  • From News@21:1/5 to XYXPDQ on Tue Nov 22 14:15:14 2022
    On 11/22/2022 2:04 PM, XYXPDQ wrote:
    On Sunday, November 20, 2022 at 1:41:05 PM UTC-8, XYXPDQ wrote:
    What did you think of the season? Which drivers and teams ect impressed or disapointed?


    On the up side the F1 poo throwers actually made an aero/tire package that worked. For the first time in many many years the following car can stay close without destroying the front tires of frying it's brakes. Now if they'd just shrink the cars and
    put them on a diet so two cars can race thru a corner without one or both being forced past the white line.


    Agree on bloviated F1 car dimensions, and need for a formula diet, but
    not due to track width, except at Monaco. Racing room is a driver issue.

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  • From XYXPDQ@21:1/5 to XYXPDQ on Thu Nov 24 10:58:02 2022
    On Sunday, November 20, 2022 at 1:41:05 PM UTC-8, XYXPDQ wrote:
    What did you think of the season? Which drivers and teams ect impressed or disapointed?


    Ferrari getting it mostly right isn't exactly a surprise but at least it kept Red Bull from falling asleep.

    And what's with Alpine, they build the power unit and the car but they continue to preform like a mid level customer team; the shocker at this point would be them doing better.

    Hass spent no money on the '21 car so they could get the '22 car ready. Did they spend the entire budget before the first race because they started out ok and then drifted right to the back.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to RzR on Sun Nov 27 15:10:04 2022
    On 2022-11-20 23:45, RzR wrote:
    On 11/21/2022 12:41 AM, XYXPDQ wrote:
      What did you think of the season?  Which drivers and teams ect
    impressed or disapointed?

    SHIT season. The attempt to dethrone Mercedes/Hamilton backfired.
    Everyone is laughing at Red Bull and their manipulated championships.

    In what way was there an "attempt to dethrone Mercedes/Hamilton"?

    There was a set of rule changes that every team knew long in advance.

    The changes were made to improve wheel-to-wheel racing—to allow the cars
    to run closer together for longer—and they succeeded very well.

    Some did better making a car to suit the new rules, and some did worse.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to XYXPDQ on Sun Nov 27 15:11:20 2022
    On 2022-11-22 11:04, XYXPDQ wrote:
    On Sunday, November 20, 2022 at 1:41:05 PM UTC-8, XYXPDQ wrote:
    What did you think of the season? Which drivers and teams ect
    impressed or disapointed?


    On the up side the F1 poo throwers actually made an aero/tire package
    that worked. For the first time in many many years the following car
    can stay close without destroying the front tires of frying it's
    brakes. Now if they'd just shrink the cars and put them on a diet so
    two cars can race thru a corner without one or both being forced
    past the white line.

    Changing the weight and size of the cars won't change that at all.

    A lighter, and/or narrower car will simply mean the driver goes harder
    into the corner to begin with.

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  • From texas gate@21:1/5 to Alan on Sun Nov 27 16:03:55 2022
    On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 4:11:23 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    Changing the weight and size of the cars won't change that at all.

    A lighter, and/or narrower car will simply mean the driver goes harder
    into the corner to begin with.

    what a crock of shit
    fuck off back to rec.sport.golf
    you dim cunt

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  • From RzR@21:1/5 to Alan on Mon Nov 28 10:40:29 2022
    On 11/28/2022 2:10 AM, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-11-20 23:45, RzR wrote:
    On 11/21/2022 12:41 AM, XYXPDQ wrote:
      What did you think of the season?  Which drivers and teams ect
    impressed or disapointed?

    SHIT season. The attempt to dethrone Mercedes/Hamilton backfired.
    Everyone is laughing at Red Bull and their manipulated championships.

    In what way was there an "attempt to dethrone Mercedes/Hamilton"?


    they won too much, no?

    There was a set of rule changes that every team knew long in advance.


    I am suspecting, Red Bull knew (paid to know) a little earlier

    The changes were made to improve wheel-to-wheel racing—to allow the cars
    to run closer together for longer—and they succeeded very well.


    That they did

    Some did better making a car to suit the new rules, and some did worse.

    Exactly :)

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to RzR on Mon Nov 28 00:14:21 2022
    On 2022-11-27 23:40, RzR wrote:
    On 11/28/2022 2:10 AM, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-11-20 23:45, RzR wrote:
    On 11/21/2022 12:41 AM, XYXPDQ wrote:
      What did you think of the season?  Which drivers and teams ect
    impressed or disapointed?

    SHIT season. The attempt to dethrone Mercedes/Hamilton backfired.
    Everyone is laughing at Red Bull and their manipulated championships.

    In what way was there an "attempt to dethrone Mercedes/Hamilton"?


    they won too much, no?

    No.


    There was a set of rule changes that every team knew long in advance.


    I am suspecting, Red Bull knew (paid to know) a little earlier

    With absolutely no evidence.


    The changes were made to improve wheel-to-wheel racing—to allow the
    cars to run closer together for longer—and they succeeded very well.


    That they did

    Some did better making a car to suit the new rules, and some did worse.

    Exactly :)

    You just have no evidence at all that there was any attempt to
    "dethrone" anyone.

    Got it.

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  • From texas gate@21:1/5 to Alan on Mon Nov 28 15:04:47 2022
    On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 1:14:24 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    Got it.

    you aint got fuck all
    except a shit existence
    fuck off back to rec.sport.golf
    you trolling fucking idiot

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  • From RzR@21:1/5 to Alan on Tue Nov 29 14:28:37 2022
    On 11/28/2022 11:14 AM, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-11-27 23:40, RzR wrote:
    On 11/28/2022 2:10 AM, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-11-20 23:45, RzR wrote:
    On 11/21/2022 12:41 AM, XYXPDQ wrote:
      What did you think of the season?  Which drivers and teams ect
    impressed or disapointed?

    SHIT season. The attempt to dethrone Mercedes/Hamilton backfired.
    Everyone is laughing at Red Bull and their manipulated championships.

    In what way was there an "attempt to dethrone Mercedes/Hamilton"?


    they won too much, no?

    No.


    There was a set of rule changes that every team knew long in advance.


    I am suspecting, Red Bull knew (paid to know) a little earlier

    With absolutely no evidence.


    LMAO. I am looking at the end result, and punishments, once they got
    caught cheating. They have FIA in their pocket. Now is it because the
    money, or dethroning Lewis/Merc, I leave it up to you to decide. But it
    was not legit for sure up until now.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to RzR on Tue Nov 29 10:25:13 2022
    On 2022-11-29 03:28, RzR wrote:
    On 11/28/2022 11:14 AM, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-11-27 23:40, RzR wrote:
    On 11/28/2022 2:10 AM, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-11-20 23:45, RzR wrote:
    On 11/21/2022 12:41 AM, XYXPDQ wrote:
      What did you think of the season?  Which drivers and teams ect >>>>>> impressed or disapointed?

    SHIT season. The attempt to dethrone Mercedes/Hamilton backfired.
    Everyone is laughing at Red Bull and their manipulated championships. >>>>
    In what way was there an "attempt to dethrone Mercedes/Hamilton"?


    they won too much, no?

    No.


    There was a set of rule changes that every team knew long in advance.


    I am suspecting, Red Bull knew (paid to know) a little earlier

    With absolutely no evidence.


    LMAO. I am looking at the end result, and punishments, once they got
    caught cheating. They have FIA in their pocket. Now is it because the
    money, or dethroning Lewis/Merc, I leave it up to you to decide. But it
    was not legit for sure up until now.

    I love people who speak with certainty about things about which they
    know they actually cannot be certain.

    There's another word for it:

    Lying.

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  • From texas gate@21:1/5 to Alan on Tue Nov 29 14:26:57 2022
    On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 11:25:16 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    There's another word for it:

    Lying.

    here is word for you: Loser

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  • From texas gate@21:1/5 to Alan on Tue Nov 29 14:28:14 2022
    On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 11:25:16 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    I love people who speak with certainty about things about which they
    know they actually cannot be certain.

    you also love gay sex

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  • From RzR@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Nov 30 09:10:00 2022
    On 11/29/2022 9:25 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-11-29 03:28, RzR wrote:
    On 11/28/2022 11:14 AM, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-11-27 23:40, RzR wrote:
    On 11/28/2022 2:10 AM, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-11-20 23:45, RzR wrote:
    On 11/21/2022 12:41 AM, XYXPDQ wrote:
      What did you think of the season?  Which drivers and teams ect >>>>>>> impressed or disapointed?

    SHIT season. The attempt to dethrone Mercedes/Hamilton backfired.
    Everyone is laughing at Red Bull and their manipulated championships. >>>>>
    In what way was there an "attempt to dethrone Mercedes/Hamilton"?


    they won too much, no?

    No.


    There was a set of rule changes that every team knew long in advance. >>>>>

    I am suspecting, Red Bull knew (paid to know) a little earlier

    With absolutely no evidence.


    LMAO. I am looking at the end result, and punishments, once they got
    caught cheating. They have FIA in their pocket. Now is it because the
    money, or dethroning Lewis/Merc, I leave it up to you to decide. But
    it was not legit for sure up until now.

    I love people who speak with certainty about things about which they
    know they actually cannot be certain.

    There's another word for it:

    Lying.


    Brawn explicitly stated it will cost a championship if you break the
    budget. Last I checked, all Red Bull championships stand. You really
    need to wake up...

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  • From texas gate@21:1/5 to RzR on Tue Nov 29 22:19:00 2022
    On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 11:10:04 PM UTC-7, RzR wrote:

    You really
    need to wake up...

    look in the mirror stupid

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to RzR on Tue Nov 29 23:16:07 2022
    On 2022-11-29 22:10, RzR wrote:
    On 11/29/2022 9:25 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-11-29 03:28, RzR wrote:
    On 11/28/2022 11:14 AM, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-11-27 23:40, RzR wrote:
    On 11/28/2022 2:10 AM, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-11-20 23:45, RzR wrote:
    On 11/21/2022 12:41 AM, XYXPDQ wrote:
      What did you think of the season?  Which drivers and teams ect >>>>>>>> impressed or disapointed?

    SHIT season. The attempt to dethrone Mercedes/Hamilton backfired. >>>>>>> Everyone is laughing at Red Bull and their manipulated
    championships.

    In what way was there an "attempt to dethrone Mercedes/Hamilton"?


    they won too much, no?

    No.


    There was a set of rule changes that every team knew long in advance. >>>>>>

    I am suspecting, Red Bull knew (paid to know) a little earlier

    With absolutely no evidence.


    LMAO. I am looking at the end result, and punishments, once they got
    caught cheating. They have FIA in their pocket. Now is it because the
    money, or dethroning Lewis/Merc, I leave it up to you to decide. But
    it was not legit for sure up until now.

    I love people who speak with certainty about things about which they
    know they actually cannot be certain.

    There's another word for it:

    Lying.


    Brawn explicitly stated it will cost a championship if you break the
    budget. Last I checked, all Red Bull championships stand. You really
    need to wake up...

    Let's see the quote...

    ...and the source.

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  • From RzR@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Nov 30 12:26:25 2022
    On 11/30/2022 10:16 AM, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-11-29 22:10, RzR wrote:
    On 11/29/2022 9:25 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-11-29 03:28, RzR wrote:
    On 11/28/2022 11:14 AM, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-11-27 23:40, RzR wrote:
    On 11/28/2022 2:10 AM, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-11-20 23:45, RzR wrote:
    On 11/21/2022 12:41 AM, XYXPDQ wrote:
      What did you think of the season?  Which drivers and teams >>>>>>>>> ect impressed or disapointed?

    SHIT season. The attempt to dethrone Mercedes/Hamilton
    backfired. Everyone is laughing at Red Bull and their
    manipulated championships.

    In what way was there an "attempt to dethrone Mercedes/Hamilton"? >>>>>>>

    they won too much, no?

    No.


    There was a set of rule changes that every team knew long in
    advance.


    I am suspecting, Red Bull knew (paid to know) a little earlier

    With absolutely no evidence.


    LMAO. I am looking at the end result, and punishments, once they got
    caught cheating. They have FIA in their pocket. Now is it because
    the money, or dethroning Lewis/Merc, I leave it up to you to decide.
    But it was not legit for sure up until now.

    I love people who speak with certainty about things about which they
    know they actually cannot be certain.

    There's another word for it:

    Lying.


    Brawn explicitly stated it will cost a championship if you break the
    budget. Last I checked, all Red Bull championships stand. You really
    need to wake up...

    Let's see the quote...

    ...and the source.

    https://www.planetf1.com/news/breach-financial-rules-lose-your-championship/

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  • From RzR@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Nov 30 12:27:10 2022
    On 11/30/2022 10:16 AM, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-11-29 22:10, RzR wrote:
    On 11/29/2022 9:25 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-11-29 03:28, RzR wrote:
    On 11/28/2022 11:14 AM, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-11-27 23:40, RzR wrote:
    On 11/28/2022 2:10 AM, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-11-20 23:45, RzR wrote:
    On 11/21/2022 12:41 AM, XYXPDQ wrote:
      What did you think of the season?  Which drivers and teams >>>>>>>>> ect impressed or disapointed?

    SHIT season. The attempt to dethrone Mercedes/Hamilton
    backfired. Everyone is laughing at Red Bull and their
    manipulated championships.

    In what way was there an "attempt to dethrone Mercedes/Hamilton"? >>>>>>>

    they won too much, no?

    No.


    There was a set of rule changes that every team knew long in
    advance.


    I am suspecting, Red Bull knew (paid to know) a little earlier

    With absolutely no evidence.


    LMAO. I am looking at the end result, and punishments, once they got
    caught cheating. They have FIA in their pocket. Now is it because
    the money, or dethroning Lewis/Merc, I leave it up to you to decide.
    But it was not legit for sure up until now.

    I love people who speak with certainty about things about which they
    know they actually cannot be certain.

    There's another word for it:

    Lying.


    Brawn explicitly stated it will cost a championship if you break the
    budget. Last I checked, all Red Bull championships stand. You really
    need to wake up...

    Let's see the quote...

    ...and the source.

    https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/cost-cap-teeth-cost-title-brawn-2021/4590108/

    calling him toothless Brawn now :)))

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  • From Mark@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Nov 30 10:55:13 2022
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-11-29 03:28, RzR wrote:

    LMAO. I am looking at the end result, and punishments, once they got
    caught cheating. They have FIA in their pocket. Now is it because the
    money, or dethroning Lewis/Merc, I leave it up to you to decide. But it
    was not legit for sure up until now.

    I love people who speak with certainty about things about which they
    know they actually cannot be certain.

    There's another word for it:

    Lying.

    Without passing any personal judgement on the argument, your definition
    is wrong. Lying is not what you describe. Lying may create the behaviour
    you describe, but so does overconfidence, confusion or bravado. Lying
    doesn't actually need confidence, nor does it need you to be uncertain.
    The key characteristic about lying is actual certainty: certainty that
    what you are saying is untrue.

    You can actually talk completely nonsense with (or without) confidence
    and still not be lying. That's just called being "wrong".

    (Of course, that doesn't have the emotional impact associated with
    calling an individual's behaviour "lying").

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to RzR on Wed Nov 30 11:29:21 2022
    On 2022-11-30 01:26, RzR wrote:
    On 11/30/2022 10:16 AM, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-11-29 22:10, RzR wrote:
    On 11/29/2022 9:25 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-11-29 03:28, RzR wrote:
    On 11/28/2022 11:14 AM, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-11-27 23:40, RzR wrote:
    On 11/28/2022 2:10 AM, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-11-20 23:45, RzR wrote:
    On 11/21/2022 12:41 AM, XYXPDQ wrote:
      What did you think of the season?  Which drivers and teams >>>>>>>>>> ect impressed or disapointed?

    SHIT season. The attempt to dethrone Mercedes/Hamilton
    backfired. Everyone is laughing at Red Bull and their
    manipulated championships.

    In what way was there an "attempt to dethrone Mercedes/Hamilton"? >>>>>>>>

    they won too much, no?

    No.


    There was a set of rule changes that every team knew long in
    advance.


    I am suspecting, Red Bull knew (paid to know) a little earlier

    With absolutely no evidence.


    LMAO. I am looking at the end result, and punishments, once they
    got caught cheating. They have FIA in their pocket. Now is it
    because the money, or dethroning Lewis/Merc, I leave it up to you
    to decide. But it was not legit for sure up until now.

    I love people who speak with certainty about things about which they
    know they actually cannot be certain.

    There's another word for it:

    Lying.


    Brawn explicitly stated it will cost a championship if you break the
    budget. Last I checked, all Red Bull championships stand. You really
    need to wake up...

    Let's see the quote...

    ...and the source.

    https://www.planetf1.com/news/breach-financial-rules-lose-your-championship/


    And your dishonesty is exposed...

    ...by the parts you chose to omit:

    'So the sanctions for breaching financial regulations will be sporting penalties of some sort, depending on the severity of the breach.'

    "DEPENDING ON THE SEVERITY OF THE BREACH"

    He literally never said anything as explicit as simply breaking the
    budget under any circumstance would cost you a championship.

    What he said was:

    'If you fraudulently breach the financial regulations, you will be
    losing your championship.'

    "FRAUDULENTLY"

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Mark on Wed Nov 30 11:30:30 2022
    On 2022-11-30 02:55, Mark wrote:
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-11-29 03:28, RzR wrote:

    LMAO. I am looking at the end result, and punishments, once they got
    caught cheating. They have FIA in their pocket. Now is it because the
    money, or dethroning Lewis/Merc, I leave it up to you to decide. But it
    was not legit for sure up until now.

    I love people who speak with certainty about things about which they
    know they actually cannot be certain.

    There's another word for it:

    Lying.

    Without passing any personal judgement on the argument, your definition
    is wrong. Lying is not what you describe. Lying may create the behaviour
    you describe, but so does overconfidence, confusion or bravado. Lying
    doesn't actually need confidence, nor does it need you to be uncertain.
    The key characteristic about lying is actual certainty: certainty that
    what you are saying is untrue.

    You can actually talk completely nonsense with (or without) confidence
    and still not be lying. That's just called being "wrong".

    (Of course, that doesn't have the emotional impact associated with
    calling an individual's behaviour "lying").

    I'm sorry, but I disagree.

    When you pretend to be certain about something you KNOW you cannot
    actually be certain about...

    ...that's lying.

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  • From XYXPDQ@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 30 12:50:58 2022
    ...and the source.
    https://www.planetf1.com/news/breach-financial-rules-lose-your-championship/

    Accounts deciding championships, how is this still racing?

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  • From News@21:1/5 to XYXPDQ on Wed Nov 30 16:13:33 2022
    On 11/30/2022 3:50 PM, XYXPDQ wrote:

    ...and the source.
    https://www.planetf1.com/news/breach-financial-rules-lose-your-championship/

    Accounts deciding championships, how is this still racing?


    A book-cooking competition

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  • From texas gate@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Nov 30 14:18:36 2022
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 12:30:33 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    I'm sorry, but I disagree.

    sorry is for pussys
    you fucking pussy

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  • From geoff@21:1/5 to Alan on Thu Dec 1 13:48:13 2022
    On 1/12/2022 8:30 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-11-30 02:55, Mark wrote:
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-11-29 03:28, RzR wrote:

    LMAO. I am looking at the end result, and punishments, once they got
    caught cheating. They have FIA in their pocket. Now is it because the
    money, or dethroning Lewis/Merc, I leave it up to you to decide. But it >>>> was not legit for sure up until now.

    I love people who speak with certainty about things about which they
    know they actually cannot be certain.

    There's another word for it:

    Lying.

    Without passing any personal judgement on the argument, your definition
    is wrong. Lying is not what you describe. Lying may create the behaviour
    you describe, but so does overconfidence, confusion or bravado. Lying
    doesn't actually need confidence, nor does it need you to be uncertain.
    The key characteristic about lying is actual certainty: certainty that
    what you are saying is untrue.

    You can actually talk completely nonsense with (or without) confidence
    and still not be lying. That's just called being "wrong".

    (Of course, that doesn't have the emotional impact associated with
    calling an individual's behaviour "lying").

    I'm sorry, but I disagree.

    When you pretend to be certain about something you KNOW you cannot
    actually be certain about...

    ...that's lying.


    No, wrong (yet again).

    When you pretend to be certain about something you KNOW is untrue.

    ...that's lying.

    geoff

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to geoff on Wed Nov 30 17:09:18 2022
    On 2022-11-30 16:48, geoff wrote:
    On 1/12/2022 8:30 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-11-30 02:55, Mark wrote:
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-11-29 03:28, RzR wrote:

    LMAO. I am looking at the end result, and punishments, once they got >>>>> caught cheating. They have FIA in their pocket. Now is it because the >>>>> money, or dethroning Lewis/Merc, I leave it up to you to decide.
    But it
    was not legit for sure up until now.

    I love people who speak with certainty about things about which they
    know they actually cannot be certain.

    There's another word for it:

    Lying.

    Without passing any personal judgement on the argument, your definition
    is wrong. Lying is not what you describe. Lying may create the behaviour >>> you describe, but so does overconfidence, confusion or bravado. Lying
    doesn't actually need confidence, nor does it need you to be uncertain.
    The key characteristic about lying is actual certainty: certainty that
    what you are saying is untrue.

    You can actually talk completely nonsense with (or without) confidence
    and still not be lying. That's just called being "wrong".

    (Of course, that doesn't have the emotional impact associated with
    calling an individual's behaviour "lying").

    I'm sorry, but I disagree.

    When you pretend to be certain about something you KNOW you cannot
    actually be certain about...

    ...that's lying.


    No, wrong (yet again).

    When you pretend to be certain about something you KNOW is untrue.

    ...that's lying.

    Wrong.

    How can it not be lying if you pretend certainty when you know you
    cannot be certain?

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  • From geoff@21:1/5 to Alan on Thu Dec 1 16:31:00 2022
    On 1/12/2022 2:09 pm, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-11-30 16:48, geoff wrote:
    On 1/12/2022 8:30 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-11-30 02:55, Mark wrote:
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-11-29 03:28, RzR wrote:

    LMAO. I am looking at the end result, and punishments, once they got >>>>>> caught cheating. They have FIA in their pocket. Now is it because the >>>>>> money, or dethroning Lewis/Merc, I leave it up to you to decide.
    But it
    was not legit for sure up until now.

    I love people who speak with certainty about things about which they >>>>> know they actually cannot be certain.

    There's another word for it:

    Lying.

    Without passing any personal judgement on the argument, your definition >>>> is wrong. Lying is not what you describe. Lying may create the
    behaviour
    you describe, but so does overconfidence, confusion or bravado. Lying
    doesn't actually need confidence, nor does it need you to be uncertain. >>>> The key characteristic about lying is actual certainty: certainty that >>>> what you are saying is untrue.

    You can actually talk completely nonsense with (or without) confidence >>>> and still not be lying. That's just called being "wrong".

    (Of course, that doesn't have the emotional impact associated with
    calling an individual's behaviour "lying").

    I'm sorry, but I disagree.

    When you pretend to be certain about something you KNOW you cannot
    actually be certain about...

    ...that's lying.


    No, wrong (yet again).

    When you pretend to be certain about something you KNOW is untrue.

    ...that's lying.

    Wrong.

    How can it not be lying if you pretend certainty when you know you
    cannot be certain?


    That is simply 'being wrong'. If anybody should know that, it's you.

    geoff

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to geoff on Wed Nov 30 19:42:26 2022
    On 2022-11-30 19:31, geoff wrote:
    On 1/12/2022 2:09 pm, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-11-30 16:48, geoff wrote:
    On 1/12/2022 8:30 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-11-30 02:55, Mark wrote:
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-11-29 03:28, RzR wrote:

    LMAO. I am looking at the end result, and punishments, once they got >>>>>>> caught cheating. They have FIA in their pocket. Now is it because >>>>>>> the
    money, or dethroning Lewis/Merc, I leave it up to you to decide. >>>>>>> But it
    was not legit for sure up until now.

    I love people who speak with certainty about things about which they >>>>>> know they actually cannot be certain.

    There's another word for it:

    Lying.

    Without passing any personal judgement on the argument, your
    definition
    is wrong. Lying is not what you describe. Lying may create the
    behaviour
    you describe, but so does overconfidence, confusion or bravado. Lying >>>>> doesn't actually need confidence, nor does it need you to be
    uncertain.
    The key characteristic about lying is actual certainty: certainty that >>>>> what you are saying is untrue.

    You can actually talk completely nonsense with (or without) confidence >>>>> and still not be lying. That's just called being "wrong".

    (Of course, that doesn't have the emotional impact associated with
    calling an individual's behaviour "lying").

    I'm sorry, but I disagree.

    When you pretend to be certain about something you KNOW you cannot
    actually be certain about...

    ...that's lying.


    No, wrong (yet again).

    When you pretend to be certain about something you KNOW is untrue.

    ...that's lying.

    Wrong.

    How can it not be lying if you pretend certainty when you know you
    cannot be certain?


    That is simply 'being wrong'. If anybody should know that, it's you.

    Nope.

    The lie is in expressing as certain something you KNOW you CANNOT be
    certain about.

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  • From RzR@21:1/5 to Alan on Thu Dec 1 09:09:42 2022
    On 11/30/2022 10:29 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-11-30 01:26, RzR wrote:
    On 11/30/2022 10:16 AM, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-11-29 22:10, RzR wrote:
    On 11/29/2022 9:25 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-11-29 03:28, RzR wrote:
    On 11/28/2022 11:14 AM, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-11-27 23:40, RzR wrote:
    On 11/28/2022 2:10 AM, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-11-20 23:45, RzR wrote:
    On 11/21/2022 12:41 AM, XYXPDQ wrote:
      What did you think of the season?  Which drivers and teams >>>>>>>>>>> ect impressed or disapointed?

    SHIT season. The attempt to dethrone Mercedes/Hamilton
    backfired. Everyone is laughing at Red Bull and their
    manipulated championships.

    In what way was there an "attempt to dethrone Mercedes/Hamilton"? >>>>>>>>>

    they won too much, no?

    No.


    There was a set of rule changes that every team knew long in >>>>>>>>> advance.


    I am suspecting, Red Bull knew (paid to know) a little earlier

    With absolutely no evidence.


    LMAO. I am looking at the end result, and punishments, once they
    got caught cheating. They have FIA in their pocket. Now is it
    because the money, or dethroning Lewis/Merc, I leave it up to you
    to decide. But it was not legit for sure up until now.

    I love people who speak with certainty about things about which
    they know they actually cannot be certain.

    There's another word for it:

    Lying.


    Brawn explicitly stated it will cost a championship if you break the
    budget. Last I checked, all Red Bull championships stand. You really
    need to wake up...

    Let's see the quote...

    ...and the source.

    https://www.planetf1.com/news/breach-financial-rules-lose-your-championship/ >>

    And your dishonesty is exposed...

    ...by the parts you chose to omit:

    'So the sanctions for breaching financial regulations will be sporting penalties of some sort, depending on the severity of the breach.'

    "DEPENDING ON THE SEVERITY OF THE BREACH"


    no shit...no wonder they immediately started talking about the catering overspending...not even a 5 year old kids would believe this...

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to RzR on Wed Nov 30 23:09:32 2022
    On 2022-11-30 22:09, RzR wrote:
    On 11/30/2022 10:29 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-11-30 01:26, RzR wrote:
    On 11/30/2022 10:16 AM, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-11-29 22:10, RzR wrote:
    On 11/29/2022 9:25 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-11-29 03:28, RzR wrote:
    On 11/28/2022 11:14 AM, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-11-27 23:40, RzR wrote:
    On 11/28/2022 2:10 AM, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-11-20 23:45, RzR wrote:
    On 11/21/2022 12:41 AM, XYXPDQ wrote:
      What did you think of the season?  Which drivers and teams >>>>>>>>>>>> ect impressed or disapointed?

    SHIT season. The attempt to dethrone Mercedes/Hamilton
    backfired. Everyone is laughing at Red Bull and their
    manipulated championships.

    In what way was there an "attempt to dethrone Mercedes/Hamilton"? >>>>>>>>>>

    they won too much, no?

    No.


    There was a set of rule changes that every team knew long in >>>>>>>>>> advance.


    I am suspecting, Red Bull knew (paid to know) a little earlier >>>>>>>>
    With absolutely no evidence.


    LMAO. I am looking at the end result, and punishments, once they >>>>>>> got caught cheating. They have FIA in their pocket. Now is it
    because the money, or dethroning Lewis/Merc, I leave it up to you >>>>>>> to decide. But it was not legit for sure up until now.

    I love people who speak with certainty about things about which
    they know they actually cannot be certain.

    There's another word for it:

    Lying.


    Brawn explicitly stated it will cost a championship if you break
    the budget. Last I checked, all Red Bull championships stand. You
    really need to wake up...

    Let's see the quote...

    ...and the source.

    https://www.planetf1.com/news/breach-financial-rules-lose-your-championship/


    And your dishonesty is exposed...

    ...by the parts you chose to omit:

    'So the sanctions for breaching financial regulations will be sporting
    penalties of some sort, depending on the severity of the breach.'

    "DEPENDING ON THE SEVERITY OF THE BREACH"


    no shit...no wonder they immediately started talking about the catering overspending...not even a 5 year old kids would believe this...


    Don't compound your bullshit with more bullshit...

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  • From Mark@21:1/5 to Alan on Thu Dec 1 10:49:49 2022
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-11-30 19:31, geoff wrote:
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    Wrong.

    How can it not be lying if you pretend certainty when you know you
    cannot be certain?


    That is simply 'being wrong'. If anybody should know that, it's you.

    Nope.

    The lie is in expressing as certain something you KNOW you CANNOT be
    certain about.

    OED:
    An act or instance of lying; a false statement made with intent
    to deceive

    To lie, you have to be *intentionally* passing a falsehood. You
    therefore need:

    - To know what you are saying is false (not that you're simply
    uncertain)
    - To be saying it with the intent to pass it as true
    - To intend to mislead the other person

    Being wrong (or uncertain you're right) is not sufficient for it to be
    a lie.

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  • From Mark@21:1/5 to Alan on Thu Dec 1 10:37:40 2022
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-11-30 02:55, Mark wrote:
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    I love people who speak with certainty about things about which they
    know they actually cannot be certain.

    There's another word for it:

    Lying.

    Without passing any personal judgement on the argument, your definition
    is wrong. Lying is not what you describe. Lying may create the behaviour
    you describe, but so does overconfidence, confusion or bravado. Lying
    doesn't actually need confidence, nor does it need you to be uncertain.
    The key characteristic about lying is actual certainty: certainty that
    what you are saying is untrue.

    You can actually talk completely nonsense with (or without) confidence
    and still not be lying. That's just called being "wrong".

    (Of course, that doesn't have the emotional impact associated with
    calling an individual's behaviour "lying").

    I'm sorry, but I disagree.

    When you pretend to be certain about something you KNOW you cannot
    actually be certain about...

    ...that's lying.

    You can't know (for certain) the state of someone's mind. You can't know
    that they are "pretending" rather than "wrong", only *they* know that.
    If they are deliberately presenting certainty when they know they are uncertain, you could call it lying but I think it's more a case of
    unfounded confidence. It's a well known behaviour and whether you look
    to Aristotle's comment "The more you know, the more you realise you
    don't know" or the more modern examination of the Dunning-Kruger effect,
    few would characterise it as "lying" more as not knowing enough to know
    you're wrong.

    To *lie* is (by definition) a deliberate act to present a falsehood as
    fact. To prove a lie is hard - really hard - as it normally involves
    being able to know the other's mind. If you can find a smoking gun (a
    separate conversation where they admit their mind: "I really put one
    over on Alan by making up those figures"), you can do it...otherwise
    it's a value judgement.

    So, I go back to my original response. You *can* "speak with certainty
    about things about which they know they actually cannot be certain." and
    not "lie". Your second version (which is different!) I still disagree
    with because it requires knowledge on the other's part which
    (ironically) *they* can't be certain of*.

    * In most cases.

    Anyway, pointless discussion so I'll end that bit.

    My main point is that using inflammatory language like "you are a liar"
    or "you are lying" is always likely to create more heat than light
    compared with "I think you were wrong, and here's why...". Unless
    someone intends to inflame the situation, such words should (IMO) be
    avoided.

    (What am I saying? This is on the Internet which is founded on flame
    wars)

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  • From keithr0@21:1/5 to Mark on Sat Dec 3 21:50:37 2022
    On 1/12/2022 8:49 pm, Mark wrote:
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-11-30 19:31, geoff wrote:
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    Wrong.

    How can it not be lying if you pretend certainty when you know you
    cannot be certain?


    That is simply 'being wrong'. If anybody should know that, it's you.

    Nope.

    The lie is in expressing as certain something you KNOW you CANNOT be
    certain about.

    OED:
    An act or instance of lying; a false statement made with intent
    to deceive

    To lie, you have to be *intentionally* passing a falsehood. You
    therefore need:

    - To know what you are saying is false (not that you're simply
    uncertain)
    - To be saying it with the intent to pass it as true
    - To intend to mislead the other person

    Being wrong (or uncertain you're right) is not sufficient for it to be
    a lie.

    This is Usenet, any post that contradicts your own position has to be a
    lie :)

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  • From XYXPDQ@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 4 12:48:29 2022
    This is Usenet, any post that contradicts your own position has to be a
    lie :)

    And be completely off topic.

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