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    From XYXPDQ@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 7 13:23:36 2021
    Your choice for DotD?


    Gasly, he wasn't challenged at all for best of the rest. Tip of the hat to Hamilton for holding off Perez on eleven lap older tires.

    Guessing Bottas can't wait for this season to be over.

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  • From a425couple@21:1/5 to XYXPDQ on Sun Nov 7 14:20:04 2021
    On 11/7/2021 1:23 PM, XYXPDQ wrote:
    Your choice for DotD?


    Spoiler

    I would vote for Verstappen.
    He passed two cars on the first lap,
    and then never made any significant mistake,
    thus winning the race.

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  • From build@21:1/5 to XYXPDQ on Tue Nov 9 23:54:24 2021
    On Monday, November 8, 2021 at 8:23:37 AM UTC+11, XYXPDQ wrote:
    Your choice for DotD?


    Gasly, he wasn't challenged at all for best of the rest. Tip of the hat to Hamilton for holding off Perez on eleven lap older tires.

    Guessing Bottas can't wait for this season to be over.

    I'll definitely give it to Pierre. That was a superb drive from start to finish. Shame the screamer totally missed it and ignored him. I'd like to see Paul (is it) De Resta (the bloke who does that screen stuff) supporting Brundle as main commentator.
    Paul would not miss drives like Pierre's.

    A mention to the warm, humble, patriotism of the Mehican people and Checo (damned good drive), other nations could learn from them. And the pensioners Seb, Kimi and Nando all showed they are champions. Nando is just so damned relentless, on it every
    corner of every lap. Also totally unnoticed George showed he will be a champion despite a difficult race (54 laps on Hard tyres).

    I'm glad Aussie Dan apologised to Valtteri. All up a less than average day from Macca. Both Macca drivers could learn from looking at how the pensioners raced today. On the other hand, damned solid drives from Carlos and Charles.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to build on Wed Nov 10 22:02:06 2021
    On 2021-11-09 11:54 p.m., build wrote:
    On Monday, November 8, 2021 at 8:23:37 AM UTC+11, XYXPDQ wrote:
    Your choice for DotD?


    Gasly, he wasn't challenged at all for best of the rest. Tip of the
    hat to Hamilton for holding off Perez on eleven lap older tires.

    Guessing Bottas can't wait for this season to be over.

    I'll definitely give it to Pierre. That was a superb drive from start
    to finish. Shame the screamer totally missed it and ignored him. I'd
    like to see Paul (is it) De Resta (the bloke who does that screen
    stuff) supporting Brundle as main commentator. Paul would not miss
    drives like Pierre's.

    The drive wasn't missed. It was commented on several times by Lazenby,
    but he doesn't choose where the director chooses to focus the cameras.

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  • From XYXPDQ@21:1/5 to Alan on Thu Nov 11 09:32:36 2021
    On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 10:02:08 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-09 11:54 p.m., build wrote:
    On Monday, November 8, 2021 at 8:23:37 AM UTC+11, XYXPDQ wrote:
    Your choice for DotD?


    Gasly, he wasn't challenged at all for best of the rest. Tip of the
    hat to Hamilton for holding off Perez on eleven lap older tires.

    Guessing Bottas can't wait for this season to be over.

    I'll definitely give it to Pierre. That was a superb drive from start
    to finish. Shame the screamer totally missed it and ignored him. I'd
    like to see Paul (is it) De Resta (the bloke who does that screen
    stuff) supporting Brundle as main commentator. Paul would not miss
    drives like Pierre's.
    The drive wasn't missed. It was commented on several times by Lazenby,
    but he doesn't choose where the director chooses to focus the cameras.


    The camera feed tries to follow the action which is why cars out of the points seem to get so much screen time.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to XYXPDQ on Thu Nov 11 09:37:59 2021
    On 2021-11-11 9:32 a.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 10:02:08 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-09 11:54 p.m., build wrote:
    On Monday, November 8, 2021 at 8:23:37 AM UTC+11, XYXPDQ wrote:
    Your choice for DotD?


    Gasly, he wasn't challenged at all for best of the rest. Tip of the
    hat to Hamilton for holding off Perez on eleven lap older tires.

    Guessing Bottas can't wait for this season to be over.

    I'll definitely give it to Pierre. That was a superb drive from start
    to finish. Shame the screamer totally missed it and ignored him. I'd
    like to see Paul (is it) De Resta (the bloke who does that screen
    stuff) supporting Brundle as main commentator. Paul would not miss
    drives like Pierre's.
    The drive wasn't missed. It was commented on several times by Lazenby,
    but he doesn't choose where the director chooses to focus the cameras.


    The camera feed tries to follow the action which is why cars out of the points seem to get so much screen time.


    Exactly.

    So what can the commentator do but comment on what people are given to see?

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  • From build@21:1/5 to Alan on Fri Nov 12 10:46:20 2021
    On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 5:02:08 PM UTC+11, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-09 11:54 p.m., build wrote:
    On Monday, November 8, 2021 at 8:23:37 AM UTC+11, XYXPDQ wrote:
    Your choice for DotD?


    Gasly, he wasn't challenged at all for best of the rest. Tip of the
    hat to Hamilton for holding off Perez on eleven lap older tires.

    Guessing Bottas can't wait for this season to be over.

    I'll definitely give it to Pierre. That was a superb drive from start
    to finish. Shame the screamer totally missed it and ignored him. I'd
    like to see Paul (is it) De Resta (the bloke who does that screen
    stuff) supporting Brundle as main commentator. Paul would not miss
    drives like Pierre's.
    The drive wasn't missed. It was commented on several times by Lazenby,
    but he doesn't choose where the director chooses to focus the cameras.

    Alan,
    Lazenby does opinion and interviews not commentate (doesn't he? I forget their names), I'm pretty sure Croft (Screamer) and Brundle Commentate.
    cheers,
    build.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to build on Fri Nov 12 10:50:27 2021
    On 2021-11-12 10:46 a.m., build wrote:
    On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 5:02:08 PM UTC+11, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-09 11:54 p.m., build wrote:
    On Monday, November 8, 2021 at 8:23:37 AM UTC+11, XYXPDQ wrote:
    Your choice for DotD?


    Gasly, he wasn't challenged at all for best of the rest. Tip of the
    hat to Hamilton for holding off Perez on eleven lap older tires.

    Guessing Bottas can't wait for this season to be over.

    I'll definitely give it to Pierre. That was a superb drive from start
    to finish. Shame the screamer totally missed it and ignored him. I'd
    like to see Paul (is it) De Resta (the bloke who does that screen
    stuff) supporting Brundle as main commentator. Paul would not miss
    drives like Pierre's.
    The drive wasn't missed. It was commented on several times by Lazenby,
    but he doesn't choose where the director chooses to focus the cameras.

    Alan,
    Lazenby does opinion and interviews not commentate (doesn't he? I forget their names), I'm pretty sure Croft (Screamer) and Brundle Commentate.

    Sorry... ...got my Sky TV staff mixed up.

    But the point remains the same:

    The commentators (by and large) have to follow the action that is being presented by the director.

    cheers,
    build.


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  • From build@21:1/5 to Alan on Fri Nov 12 10:54:29 2021
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 4:38:02 AM UTC+11, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-11 9:32 a.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 10:02:08 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-09 11:54 p.m., build wrote:
    On Monday, November 8, 2021 at 8:23:37 AM UTC+11, XYXPDQ wrote:
    Your choice for DotD?


    Gasly, he wasn't challenged at all for best of the rest. Tip of the >>>> hat to Hamilton for holding off Perez on eleven lap older tires.

    Guessing Bottas can't wait for this season to be over.

    I'll definitely give it to Pierre. That was a superb drive from start >>> to finish. Shame the screamer totally missed it and ignored him. I'd
    like to see Paul (is it) De Resta (the bloke who does that screen
    stuff) supporting Brundle as main commentator. Paul would not miss
    drives like Pierre's.
    The drive wasn't missed. It was commented on several times by Lazenby,
    but he doesn't choose where the director chooses to focus the cameras.


    The camera feed tries to follow the action which is why cars out of the points seem to get so much screen time.

    Exactly.

    So what can the commentator do but comment on what people are given to see?

    Among other things, their job is to tell us what we can't see ! Especially drives like Pierres. They also often neglect to point out closing gaps until after the pass has been made. Then when the replay is showing they commentate that as if it's live,
    sigh. They forget the position index on the left and those watching live timing and following in car cameras.
    I like it when Brundle calmly says "Yes it's clear on the replay..." or similar.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to build on Fri Nov 12 11:27:53 2021
    On 2021-11-12 10:54 a.m., build wrote:
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 4:38:02 AM UTC+11, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-11 9:32 a.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 10:02:08 PM UTC-8, Alan
    wrote:
    On 2021-11-09 11:54 p.m., build wrote:
    On Monday, November 8, 2021 at 8:23:37 AM UTC+11, XYXPDQ
    wrote:
    Your choice for DotD?


    Gasly, he wasn't challenged at all for best of the rest.
    Tip of the hat to Hamilton for holding off Perez on eleven
    lap older tires.

    Guessing Bottas can't wait for this season to be over.

    I'll definitely give it to Pierre. That was a superb drive
    from start to finish. Shame the screamer totally missed it
    and ignored him. I'd like to see Paul (is it) De Resta (the
    bloke who does that screen stuff) supporting Brundle as main
    commentator. Paul would not miss drives like Pierre's.
    The drive wasn't missed. It was commented on several times by
    Lazenby, but he doesn't choose where the director chooses to
    focus the cameras.


    The camera feed tries to follow the action which is why cars out
    of the points seem to get so much screen time.

    Exactly.

    So what can the commentator do but comment on what people are given
    to see?

    Among other things, their job is to tell us what we can't see !
    Especially drives like Pierres.

    Which, in fact, they did.

    They also often neglect to point out
    closing gaps until after the pass has been made. Then when the replay
    is showing they commentate that as if it's live, sigh. They forget
    the position index on the left and those watching live timing and
    following in car cameras. I like it when Brundle calmly says "Yes
    it's clear on the replay..." or similar.

    If it's so easy... ...you try it.

    :-)

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  • From build@21:1/5 to Alan on Fri Nov 12 12:18:36 2021
    On Saturday, November 13, 2021 at 6:27:56 AM UTC+11, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-12 10:54 a.m., build wrote:
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 4:38:02 AM UTC+11, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-11 9:32 a.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 10:02:08 PM UTC-8, Alan
    wrote:
    On 2021-11-09 11:54 p.m., build wrote:
    On Monday, November 8, 2021 at 8:23:37 AM UTC+11, XYXPDQ
    wrote:
    Your choice for DotD?


    Gasly, he wasn't challenged at all for best of the rest.
    Tip of the hat to Hamilton for holding off Perez on eleven
    lap older tires.

    Guessing Bottas can't wait for this season to be over.

    I'll definitely give it to Pierre. That was a superb drive
    from start to finish. Shame the screamer totally missed it
    and ignored him. I'd like to see Paul (is it) De Resta (the
    bloke who does that screen stuff) supporting Brundle as main
    commentator. Paul would not miss drives like Pierre's.
    The drive wasn't missed. It was commented on several times by
    Lazenby, but he doesn't choose where the director chooses to
    focus the cameras.


    The camera feed tries to follow the action which is why cars out
    of the points seem to get so much screen time.

    Exactly.

    So what can the commentator do but comment on what people are given
    to see?

    Among other things, their job is to tell us what we can't see !
    Especially drives like Pierres.
    Which, in fact, they did.

    No. They may have briefly mentioned "Gasly doing well in P4." But I don't recall any praise for his really great drive at all. Or, mention of his pace, consistency and delivering speed when required and nursing tyres really, really well. None of that.
    There absolutely should have been.

    They also often neglect to point out
    closing gaps until after the pass has been made. Then when the replay
    is showing they commentate that as if it's live, sigh. They forget
    the position index on the left and those watching live timing and following in car cameras. I like it when Brundle calmly says "Yes
    it's clear on the replay..." or similar.
    If it's so easy... ...you try it.

    :-)

    OK, I could certainly not, sorta fair enough. I'm not a commentator, I am a very experienced listener. I doubt Murray would have neglected it. Also that would be sorta like comparing your ability and racing career with mine, there is no comparison. Harsh
    but fair comment considering your previous form.

    build

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to build on Fri Nov 12 12:49:02 2021
    On 2021-11-12 12:18 p.m., build wrote:
    On Saturday, November 13, 2021 at 6:27:56 AM UTC+11, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-12 10:54 a.m., build wrote:
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 4:38:02 AM UTC+11, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-11 9:32 a.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 10:02:08 PM UTC-8, Alan
    wrote:
    On 2021-11-09 11:54 p.m., build wrote:
    On Monday, November 8, 2021 at 8:23:37 AM UTC+11, XYXPDQ
    wrote:
    Your choice for DotD?


    Gasly, he wasn't challenged at all for best of the
    rest. Tip of the hat to Hamilton for holding off Perez
    on eleven lap older tires.

    Guessing Bottas can't wait for this season to be over.

    I'll definitely give it to Pierre. That was a superb
    drive from start to finish. Shame the screamer totally
    missed it and ignored him. I'd like to see Paul (is it)
    De Resta (the bloke who does that screen stuff)
    supporting Brundle as main commentator. Paul would not
    miss drives like Pierre's.
    The drive wasn't missed. It was commented on several times
    by Lazenby, but he doesn't choose where the director
    chooses to focus the cameras.


    The camera feed tries to follow the action which is why cars
    out of the points seem to get so much screen time.

    Exactly.

    So what can the commentator do but comment on what people are
    given to see?

    Among other things, their job is to tell us what we can't see !
    Especially drives like Pierres.
    Which, in fact, they did.

    No. They may have briefly mentioned "Gasly doing well in P4." But I
    don't recall any praise for his really great drive at all. Or,
    mention of his pace, consistency and delivering speed when required
    and nursing tyres really, really well. None of that. There absolutely
    should have been.

    I'm not going to comb through race video just for this...

    ...but you're wrong.


    They also often neglect to point out closing gaps until after the
    pass has been made. Then when the replay is showing they
    commentate that as if it's live, sigh. They forget the position
    index on the left and those watching live timing and following in
    car cameras. I like it when Brundle calmly says "Yes it's clear
    on the replay..." or similar.
    If it's so easy... ...you try it.

    :-)

    OK, I could certainly not, sorta fair enough. I'm not a commentator,
    I am a very experienced listener. I doubt Murray would have neglected
    it. Also that would be sorta like comparing your ability and racing
    career with mine, there is no comparison. Harsh but fair comment
    considering your previous form.

    I think you're imagining a lot more of Murray Walker than was actually
    there.

    But the simple fact is:

    Directors decide what to focus on during the race and for the most part, commentators have to stick to that because to do anything else is very confusing to the audience.

    Gasly was running alone and the director decide not to show his car much...

    ...but Croft and Brundle mentioned the fantastic race he was running on
    at least a few occasions.

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  • From build@21:1/5 to Alan on Fri Nov 12 14:39:43 2021
    On Saturday, November 13, 2021 at 7:49:12 AM UTC+11, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-12 12:18 p.m., build wrote:
    On Saturday, November 13, 2021 at 6:27:56 AM UTC+11, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-12 10:54 a.m., build wrote:
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 4:38:02 AM UTC+11, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-11 9:32 a.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 10:02:08 PM UTC-8, Alan
    wrote:
    On 2021-11-09 11:54 p.m., build wrote:
    On Monday, November 8, 2021 at 8:23:37 AM UTC+11, XYXPDQ
    wrote:
    Your choice for DotD?


    Gasly, he wasn't challenged at all for best of the
    rest. Tip of the hat to Hamilton for holding off Perez
    on eleven lap older tires.

    Guessing Bottas can't wait for this season to be over.

    I'll definitely give it to Pierre. That was a superb
    drive from start to finish. Shame the screamer totally
    missed it and ignored him. I'd like to see Paul (is it)
    De Resta (the bloke who does that screen stuff)
    supporting Brundle as main commentator. Paul would not
    miss drives like Pierre's.
    The drive wasn't missed. It was commented on several times
    by Lazenby, but he doesn't choose where the director
    chooses to focus the cameras.


    The camera feed tries to follow the action which is why cars
    out of the points seem to get so much screen time.

    Exactly.

    So what can the commentator do but comment on what people are
    given to see?

    Among other things, their job is to tell us what we can't see !
    Especially drives like Pierres.
    Which, in fact, they did.

    No. They may have briefly mentioned "Gasly doing well in P4." But I
    don't recall any praise for his really great drive at all. Or,
    mention of his pace, consistency and delivering speed when required
    and nursing tyres really, really well. None of that. There absolutely should have been.
    I'm not going to comb through race video just for this...

    ...but you're wrong.

    My hearing is not what is was, so perhaps I missed it once but twice I doubt that and I may have muted "the screamer" but I don't recall muting at all in that race. I'll agree to disagree.

    They also often neglect to point out closing gaps until after the
    pass has been made. Then when the replay is showing they
    commentate that as if it's live, sigh. They forget the position
    index on the left and those watching live timing and following in
    car cameras. I like it when Brundle calmly says "Yes it's clear
    on the replay..." or similar.
    If it's so easy... ...you try it.

    :-)

    OK, I could certainly not, sorta fair enough. I'm not a commentator,
    I am a very experienced listener. I doubt Murray would have neglected
    it. Also that would be sorta like comparing your ability and racing
    career with mine, there is no comparison. Harsh but fair comment considering your previous form.
    I think you're imagining a lot more of Murray Walker than was actually there.

    Nope. It was there. Murray had a unique style, he made the carried away, over excited thing work. Perhaps because it was just naturally him, it was genuine. Also Murray for most of his career did not have a timing screen. A bloke sat with him and James
    with a stop watch and lap chart and passed notes to Murray. (SirTim/Trevor may recall his name?) Many have since tried to copy Murray and failed. They shouldn't, just do it in your own style. A few like that Pommy pair I could tune into on the PC and
    mute the TV. I think Ant Davison was one of them??? They didn't do the screaming bit but just tried to inform, add info that wasn't obvious or wasn't on the screen. Also there was a yanky pair that was really good, very laid back and technical.

    I'd like to see Brundle do a race with someone who can pick up the tactical things they currently miss totally and also pick up the various drives in the mid-field. For instance Georges valiant effort on 55 lap old tyres having chosen the wrong strategy.
    They don't have to make a big thing of them or spend much time on them. Just mention GR has a problem etc. He's doing good times on old tyres. Then later point out the age of the tyres and his valiant drive. just 5 secs here and there. Another one missed
    by them last week was the Scarlets alternate strategies for each driver. Never got a mention, even when Charles passed.

    *** I'll qualify that with the disclosure that I am getting on and I know when I was young I gave allowances to older blokes being nostalgic. That may or may not apply. Obviously from inside that age group I'll never know how nostalgic I'm being but I'm
    pretty brutal and forthright so I doubt it.

    But the simple fact is:

    Directors decide what to focus on during the race and for the most part, commentators have to stick to that because to do anything else is very confusing to the audience.

    In the TV control room among the fifty or more folks there are a couple listening to various feeds and they try the best they can to provide what the various nations want on the main feed. Sky is given number one priority, despite other audiences being
    bigger, so we and Sky are very lucky there. Occasionally that can be seen. The feed will be on something else but when the commentator says something the feed suddenly switches. Murray occasionally would say outright, "Mr Director please ..." and he'd
    get it.

    Audiences are not stupid. You are the audience, are you ever confused watching? Not often. Those of us watching live timing are certainly not confused. We get frustrated when it's obvious someone has been undercut and they miss it totally until they exit
    the pits then they explain what they missed, sometimes laughably so.

    Gasly was running alone and the director decide not to show his car much...

    ...but Croft and Brundle mentioned the fantastic race he was running on
    at least a few occasions.

    I don't expect them to show him. Just point out the good bits. Credit where credit is due.

    I'm curious. Did others hear them mention Gasly more than once and did they say how good his drive was or was it just "Gasly a lonely drive in fourth"???

    It did deserve much more than that. I wouldn't whinge if it only happened occasionally but they do it every other race ... unless it's a British driver i.e. Norris. Mind you they don't mention George and he often deserves it but hey it's rear end stuff
    and only hardcore fans are interested. So I accept that as OK.

    I have to give the "Idiot" (Kravitz) a mention for covering a couple of times the fact that Latifi is actually doing really well. It's only obvious to the teams and hardcore fans but because George is so damned exceptional the fact that Latifi can
    consistently be within reach puts him much higher in talent scale than it appears to the masses. Move them both into mercs and you'd have Ham and Bot, two top drivers.

    He also hinted that Goerge was going to a "number two" position (obviously, whince, damn). I hope his "spark" is not extinguished. For example Gasly was destroyed by a "number two" treatment. Bottas too, I reckon, his spark has been extinguished. Gasly
    will hopefully get another chance.

    This is not the place to mention this but damn it, I'll slip it in. The team at TorroRosso are an exceptional very small, tight bunch doing extraordinary stuff. If you look at the names they are a mix of old and new talent and remind me of Otmar's team
    when James Key was there. I love it when the small teams excel.

    Enough waffle.
    Alan have fun racing. Kudos that you are out there trying and enjoying it. Keep in mind there are at least three others who occasionally read this group who also race or did race very successfully.

    cheers, build

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  • From build@21:1/5 to build on Fri Nov 12 14:54:26 2021
    On Saturday, November 13, 2021 at 9:39:45 AM UTC+11, build wrote:
    On Saturday, November 13, 2021 at 7:49:12 AM UTC+11, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-12 12:18 p.m., build wrote:
    On Saturday, November 13, 2021 at 6:27:56 AM UTC+11, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-12 10:54 a.m., build wrote:
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 4:38:02 AM UTC+11, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-11 9:32 a.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 10:02:08 PM UTC-8, Alan
    wrote:
    On 2021-11-09 11:54 p.m., build wrote:
    On Monday, November 8, 2021 at 8:23:37 AM UTC+11, XYXPDQ
    wrote:
    Your choice for DotD?


    Gasly, he wasn't challenged at all for best of the
    rest. Tip of the hat to Hamilton for holding off Perez
    on eleven lap older tires.

    Guessing Bottas can't wait for this season to be over.

    I'll definitely give it to Pierre. That was a superb
    drive from start to finish. Shame the screamer totally
    missed it and ignored him. I'd like to see Paul (is it)
    De Resta (the bloke who does that screen stuff)
    supporting Brundle as main commentator. Paul would not
    miss drives like Pierre's.
    The drive wasn't missed. It was commented on several times
    by Lazenby, but he doesn't choose where the director
    chooses to focus the cameras.


    The camera feed tries to follow the action which is why cars
    out of the points seem to get so much screen time.

    Exactly.

    So what can the commentator do but comment on what people are
    given to see?

    Among other things, their job is to tell us what we can't see !
    Especially drives like Pierres.
    Which, in fact, they did.

    No. They may have briefly mentioned "Gasly doing well in P4." But I don't recall any praise for his really great drive at all. Or,
    mention of his pace, consistency and delivering speed when required
    and nursing tyres really, really well. None of that. There absolutely should have been.
    I'm not going to comb through race video just for this...

    ...but you're wrong.
    My hearing is not what is was, so perhaps I missed it once but twice I doubt that and I may have muted "the screamer" but I don't recall muting at all in that race. I'll agree to disagree.
    They also often neglect to point out closing gaps until after the
    pass has been made. Then when the replay is showing they
    commentate that as if it's live, sigh. They forget the position
    index on the left and those watching live timing and following in
    car cameras. I like it when Brundle calmly says "Yes it's clear
    on the replay..." or similar.
    If it's so easy... ...you try it.

    :-)

    OK, I could certainly not, sorta fair enough. I'm not a commentator,
    I am a very experienced listener. I doubt Murray would have neglected it. Also that would be sorta like comparing your ability and racing career with mine, there is no comparison. Harsh but fair comment considering your previous form.
    I think you're imagining a lot more of Murray Walker than was actually there.
    Nope. It was there. Murray had a unique style, he made the carried away, over excited thing work. Perhaps because it was just naturally him, it was genuine. Also Murray for most of his career did not have a timing screen. A bloke sat with him and James
    with a stop watch and lap chart and passed notes to Murray. (SirTim/Trevor may recall his name?) Many have since tried to copy Murray and failed. They shouldn't, just do it in your own style. A few like that Pommy pair I could tune into on the PC and
    mute the TV. I think Ant Davison was one of them??? They didn't do the screaming bit but just tried to inform, add info that wasn't obvious or wasn't on the screen. Also there was a yanky pair that was really good, very laid back and technical.

    I'd like to see Brundle do a race with someone who can pick up the tactical things they currently miss totally and also pick up the various drives in the mid-field. For instance Georges valiant effort on 55 lap old tyres having chosen the wrong
    strategy. They don't have to make a big thing of them or spend much time on them. Just mention GR has a problem etc. He's doing good times on old tyres. Then later point out the age of the tyres and his valiant drive. just 5 secs here and there. Another
    one missed by them last week was the Scarlets alternate strategies for each driver. Never got a mention, even when Charles passed.

    *** I'll qualify that with the disclosure that I am getting on and I know when I was young I gave allowances to older blokes being nostalgic. That may or may not apply. Obviously from inside that age group I'll never know how nostalgic I'm being but I'
    m pretty brutal and forthright so I doubt it.
    But the simple fact is:

    Directors decide what to focus on during the race and for the most part, commentators have to stick to that because to do anything else is very confusing to the audience.
    In the TV control room among the fifty or more folks there are a couple listening to various feeds and they try the best they can to provide what the various nations want on the main feed. Sky is given number one priority, despite other audiences being
    bigger, so we and Sky are very lucky there. Occasionally that can be seen. The feed will be on something else but when the commentator says something the feed suddenly switches. Murray occasionally would say outright, "Mr Director please ..." and he'd
    get it.

    Audiences are not stupid. You are the audience, are you ever confused watching? Not often. Those of us watching live timing are certainly not confused. We get frustrated when it's obvious someone has been undercut and they miss it totally until they
    exit the pits then they explain what they missed, sometimes laughably so.
    Gasly was running alone and the director decide not to show his car much...

    ...but Croft and Brundle mentioned the fantastic race he was running on
    at least a few occasions.
    I don't expect them to show him. Just point out the good bits. Credit where credit is due.

    I'm curious. Did others hear them mention Gasly more than once and did they say how good his drive was or was it just "Gasly a lonely drive in fourth"???

    It did deserve much more than that. I wouldn't whinge if it only happened occasionally but they do it every other race ... unless it's a British driver i.e. Norris. Mind you they don't mention George and he often deserves it but hey it's rear end stuff
    and only hardcore fans are interested. So I accept that as OK.


    NOTE: Actually Norris is a good example of covering a good midfield drive. They did that well. I'm referring to his lonely drive not the one where he came through the field. Can someone remember which one I'm referring to? They didn't spend much time on
    it as such but they did point it out on four or five occasions saying how his lap times compared, etc.


    I have to give the "Idiot" (Kravitz) a mention for covering a couple of times the fact that Latifi is actually doing really well. It's only obvious to the teams and hardcore fans but because George is so damned exceptional the fact that Latifi can
    consistently be within reach puts him much higher in talent scale than it appears to the masses. Move them both into mercs and you'd have Ham and Bot, two top drivers.

    He also hinted that Goerge was going to a "number two" position (obviously, whince, damn). I hope his "spark" is not extinguished. For example Gasly was destroyed by a "number two" treatment. Bottas too, I reckon, his spark has been extinguished. Gasly
    will hopefully get another chance.

    This is not the place to mention this but damn it, I'll slip it in. The team at TorroRosso are an exceptional very small, tight bunch doing extraordinary stuff. If you look at the names they are a mix of old and new talent and remind me of Otmar's team
    when James Key was there. I love it when the small teams excel.

    Enough waffle.
    Alan have fun racing. Kudos that you are out there trying and enjoying it. Keep in mind there are at least three others who occasionally read this group who also race or did race very successfully.

    cheers, build

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