Haas protest US Grand Prix result
(Alonso and Perez were allowed to carry on with damage when Magnussen was shown the black and orange flag and summoned to the pits previously)
www.autosport.com/f1/news/haas-lodges-protest-against-perez-and-alonsos-cars-after-us-gp/10389454/
On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 9:39:14 AM UTC-7, Mr Gobrien wrote:
Haas protest US Grand Prix result
(Alonso and Perez were allowed to carry on with damage when Magnussen was shown the black and orange flag and summoned to the pits previously)
www.autosport.com/f1/news/haas-lodges-protest-against-perez-and-alonsos-cars-after-us-gp/10389454/
When you can't compete, protest.
On 10/24/2022 2:43 PM, XYXPDQ wrote:
On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 9:39:14 AM UTC-7, Mr Gobrien wrote:
Haas protest US Grand Prix result
(Alonso and Perez were allowed to carry on with damage when
Magnussen was shown the black and orange flag and summoned to the
pits previously)
www.autosport.com/f1/news/haas-lodges-protest-against-perez-and-al onsos-cars-after-us-gp/10389454/
When you can't compete, protest.
Just ask Toto.
News wrote:
On 10/24/2022 2:43 PM, XYXPDQ wrote:
On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 9:39:14 AM UTC-7, Mr Gobrien wrote:
Haas protest US Grand Prix result
(Alonso and Perez were allowed to carry on with damage when
Magnussen was shown the black and orange flag and summoned to the
pits previously)
www.autosport.com/f1/news/haas-lodges-protest-against-perez-and-al
onsos-cars-after-us-gp/10389454/
When you can't compete, protest.
Just ask Toto.
Do you get a disability allowance having lived with butthurt this long?
Do you get a disability allowance having lived with butthurt this long?
Haas protest US Grand Prix result
(Alonso and Perez were allowed to carry on with damage when Magnussen was shown the black and orange flag and summoned to the pits previously)
www.autosport.com/f1/news/haas-lodges-protest-against-perez-and-alonsos-cars-after-us-gp/10389454/
On 2022-10-24 09:39, Mr Gobrien wrote:
Haas protest US Grand Prix result
(Alonso and Perez were allowed to carry on with damage when Magnussen
was shown the black and orange flag and summoned to the pits previously)
www.autosport.com/f1/news/haas-lodges-protest-against-perez-and-alonsos-cars-after-us-gp/10389454/
Haas has a point.
The problem with Perez's car was pretty much precisely the same as got
Haas cars "meatballed" on three occasions.
On 10/24/2022 3:19 PM, Bigbird wrote:
News wrote:
On 10/24/2022 2:43 PM, XYXPDQ wrote:
On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 9:39:14 AM UTC-7, Mr Gobrien
wrote:
Haas protest US Grand Prix result
(Alonso and Perez were allowed to carry on with damage when
Magnussen was shown the black and orange flag and summoned to
the pits previously)
www.autosport.com/f1/news/haas-lodges-protest-against-perez-an
d-al onsos-cars-after-us-gp/10389454/
When you can't compete, protest.
Just ask Toto.
Do you get a disability allowance having lived with butthurt this
long?
Wolf is the one butt-hurt, and seems apologists like you, too.
News wrote:
On 10/24/2022 3:19 PM, Bigbird wrote:
News wrote:
On 10/24/2022 2:43 PM, XYXPDQ wrote:
On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 9:39:14 AM UTC-7, Mr Gobrien
wrote:
Haas protest US Grand Prix result
(Alonso and Perez were allowed to carry on with damage when
Magnussen was shown the black and orange flag and summoned to
the pits previously)
www.autosport.com/f1/news/haas-lodges-protest-against-perez-an
d-al onsos-cars-after-us-gp/10389454/
When you can't compete, protest.
Just ask Toto.
Do you get a disability allowance having lived with butthurt this
long?
Wolf is the one butt-hurt, and seems apologists like you, too.
You confuse my task of exposing what a dickwad you are with something completely different.
On 25/10/2022 4:59 pm, Alan wrote:
On 2022-10-24 09:39, Mr Gobrien wrote:
Haas protest US Grand Prix result
(Alonso and Perez were allowed to carry on with damage when
Magnussen was shown the black and orange flag and summoned to
the pits previously)
www.autosport.com/f1/news/haas-lodges-protest-against-perez-and-al onsos-cars-after-us-gp/10389454/
Haas has a point.
The problem with Perez's car was pretty much precisely the same as
got Haas cars "meatballed" on three occasions.
And when it did fly off, it could have easily (nearly did) go into a following car's cockpit.
Similarly with ???'s mirror.
geoff wrote:
On 25/10/2022 4:59 pm, Alan wrote:
On 2022-10-24 09:39, Mr Gobrien wrote:
Haas protest US Grand Prix result
(Alonso and Perez were allowed to carry on with damage when
Magnussen was shown the black and orange flag and summoned to
the pits previously)
www.autosport.com/f1/news/haas-lodges-protest-against-perez-and-al
onsos-cars-after-us-gp/10389454/
Haas has a point.
The problem with Perez's car was pretty much precisely the same as
got Haas cars "meatballed" on three occasions.
And when it did fly off, it could have easily (nearly did) go into a
following car's cockpit.
How long was it before the end plate detached?
How long was it before the end plate detached?
"meatballed"
meatball
meatball
On 2022-10-25 07:52, Bigbird wrote:
How long was it before the end plate detached?
According to one redditor, the end plate detached on lap 6, and the
damage wasn't clearly visible for a lap or two (although Brundle picked
up that he thought there might be damage on lap 2).
So the window was a little tighter than for KMag's meatball flags, but assuming the FIA officials are doing their jobs properly (a very large assumption), they certainly should have known there was damage as much
as 4 laps before the end plate flew off...
...which is precisely the reason that a meatball flag should have been
shown.
On 2022-10-25 07:52, Bigbird wrote:
geoff wrote:
On 25/10/2022 4:59 pm, Alan wrote:
On 2022-10-24 09:39, Mr Gobrien wrote:
Haas protest US Grand Prix result
(Alonso and Perez were allowed to carry on with damage when
Magnussen was shown the black and orange flag and summoned to
the pits previously)
www.autosport.com/f1/news/haas-lodges-protest-against-perez-an
d-al onsos-cars-after-us-gp/10389454/
Haas has a point.
The problem with Perez's car was pretty much precisely the same
as got Haas cars "meatballed" on three occasions.
And when it did fly off, it could have easily (nearly did) go
into a following car's cockpit.
How long was it before the end plate detached?
According to one redditor, the end plate detached on lap 6, and the
damage wasn't clearly visible for a lap or two (although Brundle
picked up that he thought there might be damage on lap 2).
So the window was a little tighter than for KMag's meatball flags,
but assuming the FIA officials are doing their jobs properly (a very
large assumption), they certainly should have known there was damage
as much as 4 laps before the end plate flew off...
...which is precisely the reason that a meatball flag should have
been shown.
Alan wrote:
On 2022-10-25 07:52, Bigbird wrote:
geoff wrote:
On 25/10/2022 4:59 pm, Alan wrote:
On 2022-10-24 09:39, Mr Gobrien wrote:
Haas protest US Grand Prix result
(Alonso and Perez were allowed to carry on with damage when
Magnussen was shown the black and orange flag and summoned to
the pits previously)
www.autosport.com/f1/news/haas-lodges-protest-against-perez-an
d-al onsos-cars-after-us-gp/10389454/
Haas has a point.
The problem with Perez's car was pretty much precisely the same
as got Haas cars "meatballed" on three occasions.
And when it did fly off, it could have easily (nearly did) go
into a following car's cockpit.
How long was it before the end plate detached?
According to one redditor, the end plate detached on lap 6, and the
damage wasn't clearly visible for a lap or two (although Brundle
picked up that he thought there might be damage on lap 2).
So the window was a little tighter than for KMag's meatball flags,
but assuming the FIA officials are doing their jobs properly (a very
large assumption), they certainly should have known there was damage
as much as 4 laps before the end plate flew off...
...which is precisely the reason that a meatball flag should have
been shown.
If that is so I am having trouble correlating the differing responses
to RBR and Alpine, no matter Haas. They totally ignore the laps run
before the end plate detached.
Per FIA, it is the teams responsibility to make sure the car is safe
and given that Perez was hit by an endplate earlier in the year there
is little excuse.
On 2022-10-26 05:45, Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-10-25 07:52, Bigbird wrote:
geoff wrote:
On 25/10/2022 4:59 pm, Alan wrote:
On 2022-10-24 09:39, Mr Gobrien wrote:
Haas protest US Grand Prix result
(Alonso and Perez were allowed to carry on with damage
when Magnussen was shown the black and orange flag and
summoned to the pits previously)
www.autosport.com/f1/news/haas-lodges-protest-against-pere
z-an d-al onsos-cars-after-us-gp/10389454/
Haas has a point.
The problem with Perez's car was pretty much precisely the
same as got Haas cars "meatballed" on three occasions.
And when it did fly off, it could have easily (nearly did) go
into a following car's cockpit.
How long was it before the end plate detached?
According to one redditor, the end plate detached on lap 6, and
the damage wasn't clearly visible for a lap or two (although
Brundle picked up that he thought there might be damage on lap 2).
So the window was a little tighter than for KMag's meatball flags,
but assuming the FIA officials are doing their jobs properly (a
very large assumption), they certainly should have known there
was damage as much as 4 laps before the end plate flew off...
...which is precisely the reason that a meatball flag should have
been shown.
If that is so I am having trouble correlating the differing
responses to RBR and Alpine, no matter Haas. They totally ignore
the laps run before the end plate detached.
Per FIA, it is the teams responsibility to make sure the car is safe
and given that Perez was hit by an endplate earlier in the year
there is little excuse.
It's a "how many hairs make a beard" problem.
What constitutes "unsafe"? And end plate that could fly off might
qualify, but what if it's a smaller part?
Leaving it to the teams to decide what is "unsafe" just won't work.
Alan wrote:
On 2022-10-26 05:45, Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-10-25 07:52, Bigbird wrote:
geoff wrote:
On 25/10/2022 4:59 pm, Alan wrote:
On 2022-10-24 09:39, Mr Gobrien wrote:
Haas protest US Grand Prix result
(Alonso and Perez were allowed to carry on with damage
when Magnussen was shown the black and orange flag and
summoned to the pits previously)
www.autosport.com/f1/news/haas-lodges-protest-against-pere
z-an d-al onsos-cars-after-us-gp/10389454/
Haas has a point.
The problem with Perez's car was pretty much precisely the
same as got Haas cars "meatballed" on three occasions.
And when it did fly off, it could have easily (nearly did) go
into a following car's cockpit.
How long was it before the end plate detached?
According to one redditor, the end plate detached on lap 6, and
the damage wasn't clearly visible for a lap or two (although
Brundle picked up that he thought there might be damage on lap 2).
So the window was a little tighter than for KMag's meatball flags,
but assuming the FIA officials are doing their jobs properly (a
very large assumption), they certainly should have known there
was damage as much as 4 laps before the end plate flew off...
...which is precisely the reason that a meatball flag should have
been shown.
If that is so I am having trouble correlating the differing
responses to RBR and Alpine, no matter Haas. They totally ignore
the laps run before the end plate detached.
Per FIA, it is the teams responsibility to make sure the car is safe
and given that Perez was hit by an endplate earlier in the year
there is little excuse.
It's a "how many hairs make a beard" problem.
What constitutes "unsafe"? And end plate that could fly off might
qualify, but what if it's a smaller part?
The FIA and precedent.
"This has happened on three occasions concerning the front wing
endplate of the Haas VF-22 car..."
Leaving it to the teams to decide what is "unsafe" just won't work.
Nobody is suggesting that.
It's a "how many hairs make a beard" problem.
The FIA and precedent.
"This has happened on three occasions concerning the front wing
endplate of the Haas VF-22 car..."
Leaving it to the teams to decide what is "unsafe" just won't work.
Nobody is suggesting that.
Nobody is suggesting that.
It is literally what you just suggested:
It is literally what you just suggested:
It's a "how many hairs make a beard" problem.
On 2022-10-26 20:16, Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-10-26 05:45, Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-10-25 07:52, Bigbird wrote:
geoff wrote:
On 25/10/2022 4:59 pm, Alan wrote:
On 2022-10-24 09:39, Mr Gobrien wrote:
Haas protest US Grand Prix result
(Alonso and Perez were allowed to carry on with damage
when Magnussen was shown the black and orange flag
and summoned to the pits previously)
www.autosport.com/f1/news/haas-lodges-protest-against-
pere z-an d-al onsos-cars-after-us-gp/10389454/
Haas has a point.
The problem with Perez's car was pretty much precisely
the same as got Haas cars "meatballed" on three
occasions.
And when it did fly off, it could have easily (nearly
did) go into a following car's cockpit.
How long was it before the end plate detached?
According to one redditor, the end plate detached on lap 6,
and the damage wasn't clearly visible for a lap or two
(although Brundle picked up that he thought there might be
damage on lap 2).
So the window was a little tighter than for KMag's meatball
flags, but assuming the FIA officials are doing their jobs
properly (a very large assumption), they certainly should
have known there was damage as much as 4 laps before the end
plate flew off...
...which is precisely the reason that a meatball flag should
have been shown.
If that is so I am having trouble correlating the differing
responses to RBR and Alpine, no matter Haas. They totally ignore
the laps run before the end plate detached.
Per FIA, it is the teams responsibility to make sure the car is
safe and given that Perez was hit by an endplate earlier in the
year there is little excuse.
It's a "how many hairs make a beard" problem.
What constitutes "unsafe"? And end plate that could fly off might qualify, but what if it's a smaller part?
The FIA and precedent.
"This has happened on three occasions concerning the front wing
endplate of the Haas VF-22 car..."
Leaving it to the teams to decide what is "unsafe" just won't
work.
Nobody is suggesting that.
It is literally what you just suggested:
"Per FIA, it is the teams responsibility to make sure the car is safe"
Don't do this Alan; you've only just reappeared from the Bozo bin
Alan wrote:
On 2022-10-26 20:16, Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-10-26 05:45, Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-10-25 07:52, Bigbird wrote:
geoff wrote:
On 25/10/2022 4:59 pm, Alan wrote:
On 2022-10-24 09:39, Mr Gobrien wrote:
Haas protest US Grand Prix result
(Alonso and Perez were allowed to carry on with damage
when Magnussen was shown the black and orange flag
and summoned to the pits previously)
www.autosport.com/f1/news/haas-lodges-protest-against-
pere z-an d-al onsos-cars-after-us-gp/10389454/
Haas has a point.
The problem with Perez's car was pretty much precisely
the same as got Haas cars "meatballed" on three
occasions.
And when it did fly off, it could have easily (nearly
did) go into a following car's cockpit.
How long was it before the end plate detached?
According to one redditor, the end plate detached on lap 6,
and the damage wasn't clearly visible for a lap or two
(although Brundle picked up that he thought there might be
damage on lap 2).
So the window was a little tighter than for KMag's meatball
flags, but assuming the FIA officials are doing their jobs
properly (a very large assumption), they certainly should
have known there was damage as much as 4 laps before the end
plate flew off...
...which is precisely the reason that a meatball flag should
have been shown.
If that is so I am having trouble correlating the differing
responses to RBR and Alpine, no matter Haas. They totally ignore
the laps run before the end plate detached.
Per FIA, it is the teams responsibility to make sure the car is
safe and given that Perez was hit by an endplate earlier in the
year there is little excuse.
It's a "how many hairs make a beard" problem.
What constitutes "unsafe"? And end plate that could fly off might
qualify, but what if it's a smaller part?
The FIA and precedent.
"This has happened on three occasions concerning the front wing
endplate of the Haas VF-22 car..."
Leaving it to the teams to decide what is "unsafe" just won't
work.
Nobody is suggesting that.
It is literally what you just suggested:
"Per FIA, it is the teams responsibility to make sure the car is safe"
Not even close. I told you what the FIA has mandated.
"Notwithstanding the above, Article 3.2 of the Formula 1 Sporting
Regulations is clear – a car must be in a safe condition throughout a
race, and in this case, Car 14 was not. This is a responsibility of the Alpine Team."
You don't understand the difference between making the rules and who's responsibility it is to adhere to them.
Don't do this Alan; you've only just reappeared from the Bozo bin and
you are already being ridiculous.
(I hate it that so many people misuse literally)
Dude...
(I hate it that so many people misuse literally)
Don't do this Alan; you've only just reappeared from the Bozo bin and
you are already being ridiculous.
On 2022-10-27 02:52, Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-10-26 20:16, Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-10-26 05:45, Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-10-25 07:52, Bigbird wrote:
geoff wrote:
On 25/10/2022 4:59 pm, Alan wrote:
On 2022-10-24 09:39, Mr Gobrien wrote:
Haas protest US Grand Prix result
(Alonso and Perez were allowed to carry on with
damage when Magnussen was shown the black and
orange flag and summoned to the pits previously)
www.autosport.com/f1/news/haas-lodges-protest-agai
nst- pere z-an d-al
onsos-cars-after-us-gp/10389454/
Haas has a point.
The problem with Perez's car was pretty much
precisely the same as got Haas cars "meatballed"
on three occasions.
And when it did fly off, it could have easily (nearly
did) go into a following car's cockpit.
How long was it before the end plate detached?
According to one redditor, the end plate detached on lap
6, and the damage wasn't clearly visible for a lap or two (although Brundle picked up that he thought there might be
damage on lap 2).
So the window was a little tighter than for KMag's
meatball flags, but assuming the FIA officials are doing
their jobs properly (a very large assumption), they
certainly should have known there was damage as much as 4
laps before the end plate flew off...
...which is precisely the reason that a meatball flag
should have been shown.
If that is so I am having trouble correlating the differing responses to RBR and Alpine, no matter Haas. They totally
ignore the laps run before the end plate detached.
Per FIA, it is the teams responsibility to make sure the
car is safe and given that Perez was hit by an endplate
earlier in the year there is little excuse.
It's a "how many hairs make a beard" problem.
What constitutes "unsafe"? And end plate that could fly off
might qualify, but what if it's a smaller part?
The FIA and precedent.
"This has happened on three occasions concerning the front wing endplate of the Haas VF-22 car..."
Leaving it to the teams to decide what is "unsafe" just won't
work.
Nobody is suggesting that.
It is literally what you just suggested:
"Per FIA, it is the teams responsibility to make sure the car is
safe"
Not even close. I told you what the FIA has mandated.
"Notwithstanding the above, Article 3.2 of the Formula 1 Sporting Regulations is clear – a car must be in a safe condition throughout
a race, and in this case, Car 14 was not. This is a responsibility
of the Alpine Team."
You don't understand the difference between making the rules and
who's responsibility it is to adhere to them.
Don't do this Alan; you've only just reappeared from the Bozo bin
and you are already being ridiculous.
(I hate it that so many people misuse literally)
Dude...
If it is "the teams responsibility to make sure the the car is
safe"...
...that implicitly requires that they must decide what constitutes
"unsafe".
Alan wrote:
On 2022-10-27 02:52, Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-10-26 20:16, Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-10-26 05:45, Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-10-25 07:52, Bigbird wrote:
geoff wrote:
On 25/10/2022 4:59 pm, Alan wrote:
On 2022-10-24 09:39, Mr Gobrien wrote:
Haas protest US Grand Prix result
(Alonso and Perez were allowed to carry on with
damage when Magnussen was shown the black and
orange flag and summoned to the pits previously)
www.autosport.com/f1/news/haas-lodges-protest-agai
nst- pere z-an d-al
onsos-cars-after-us-gp/10389454/
Haas has a point.
The problem with Perez's car was pretty much
precisely the same as got Haas cars "meatballed"
on three occasions.
And when it did fly off, it could have easily (nearly
did) go into a following car's cockpit.
How long was it before the end plate detached?
According to one redditor, the end plate detached on lap
6, and the damage wasn't clearly visible for a lap or two
(although Brundle picked up that he thought there might be
damage on lap 2).
So the window was a little tighter than for KMag's
meatball flags, but assuming the FIA officials are doing
their jobs properly (a very large assumption), they
certainly should have known there was damage as much as 4
laps before the end plate flew off...
...which is precisely the reason that a meatball flag
should have been shown.
If that is so I am having trouble correlating the differing
responses to RBR and Alpine, no matter Haas. They totally
ignore the laps run before the end plate detached.
Per FIA, it is the teams responsibility to make sure the
car is safe and given that Perez was hit by an endplate
earlier in the year there is little excuse.
It's a "how many hairs make a beard" problem.
What constitutes "unsafe"? And end plate that could fly off
might qualify, but what if it's a smaller part?
The FIA and precedent.
"This has happened on three occasions concerning the front wing
endplate of the Haas VF-22 car..."
Leaving it to the teams to decide what is "unsafe" just won't
work.
Nobody is suggesting that.
It is literally what you just suggested:
"Per FIA, it is the teams responsibility to make sure the car is
safe"
Not even close. I told you what the FIA has mandated.
"Notwithstanding the above, Article 3.2 of the Formula 1 Sporting
Regulations is clear – a car must be in a safe condition throughout
a race, and in this case, Car 14 was not. This is a responsibility
of the Alpine Team."
You don't understand the difference between making the rules and
who's responsibility it is to adhere to them.
Don't do this Alan; you've only just reappeared from the Bozo bin
and you are already being ridiculous.
(I hate it that so many people misuse literally)
Dude...
If it is "the teams responsibility to make sure the the car is
safe"...
...that implicitly requires that they must decide what constitutes
"unsafe".
It is your responsibility to drive within the speed limit; you don't
get to decide the speed limit.
I hope you realise how ridiculous you are being.
I am not going to indulge you any further. If you don't have the
capacity to comprehend what the FIA said that is your problem. I can
assure you that I and probably most other people do.
I am not going to put up with this kind of nonsense any more and you
can end the season in the Bozo bin if you like.
Alan wrote:
I do not have the time nor patience for such intransigent ignorance and infantile obtuseness.
PLONK
It is your responsibility to drive within the speed limit; you don'tYou don't understand the difference between making the rules andDude...
who's responsibility it is to adhere to them.
Don't do this Alan; you've only just reappeared from the Bozo
bin and you are already being ridiculous.
(I hate it that so many people misuse literally)
If it is "the teams responsibility to make sure the the car is
safe"...
...that implicitly requires that they must decide what constitutes
"unsafe".
get to decide the speed limit.
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