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    From geoff@21:1/5 to Martin Harran on Tue Aug 2 23:01:42 2022
    On 2/08/2022 10:22 pm, Martin Harran wrote:
    There's been a bit of chat here in the past about the importance of
    engine noise in F1. I found this article interesting about problems
    arising from the absence of engine noise in electric vehicles. I've
    been aware of this for some time as I drive a hybrid and I find I have
    to be extra alert in places like supermarket car parks as pedestrians
    may not be aware my car is moving when it is running on battery.

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/08/08/what-should-a-nine-thousand-pound-electric-vehicle-sound-like

    I think in F1, and Formula E, drivers are generally aware that there are
    other cars on the track.

    geoff

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  • From Darryl Johnson@21:1/5 to geoff on Tue Aug 2 09:19:10 2022
    On 2022-08-02 7:01 AM, geoff wrote:
    On 2/08/2022 10:22 pm, Martin Harran wrote:
    There's been a bit of chat here in the past about the importance of
    engine noise in F1. I found this article interesting about problems
    arising from the absence of engine noise in electric vehicles. I've
    been aware of this for some time as I drive a hybrid and I find I have
    to be extra alert in places like supermarket car parks as pedestrians
    may not be aware my car is moving when it is running on battery.

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/08/08/what-should-a-nine-thousand-pound-electric-vehicle-sound-like

    I think in F1, and Formula E, drivers are generally aware that there are other cars on the track.

    geoff


    But there has been pushback from both the fans and from some of the team members about the lack of engine noise. This was particularly evident
    when F1 switched to the hybrid power units compared to the screaming of
    the old V6 ICUs.

    Personally, I don't care much for the noise made by the Formula E cars.
    Just doesn't say "racing" to me. But I accept that, as an old fart, I
    may be somewhat stuck in my ways.

    One of my favourite memories of the sound of a racing engine is that of
    a Ferrari V12 downshifting from speed. It was as if there was a
    ferocious beast trapped in there and it was screaming in pain. Lovely
    sound. (I am not condoning causing real animals pain, BTW.)

    We are unlikely to ever hear those sorts of sounds again, <sigh>

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  • From News@21:1/5 to Darryl Johnson on Tue Aug 2 09:28:43 2022
    On 8/2/2022 9:19 AM, Darryl Johnson wrote:
    On 2022-08-02 7:01 AM, geoff wrote:
    On 2/08/2022 10:22 pm, Martin Harran wrote:
    There's been a bit of chat here in the past about the importance of
    engine noise in F1. I found this article interesting about problems
    arising from the absence of engine noise in electric vehicles. I've
    been aware of this for some time as I drive a hybrid and I find I have
    to be extra alert in places like supermarket car parks as pedestrians
    may not be aware my car is moving when it is running on battery.

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/08/08/what-should-a-nine-thousand-pound-electric-vehicle-sound-like


    I think in F1, and Formula E, drivers are generally aware that there
    are other cars on the track.

    geoff


    But there has been pushback from both the fans and from some of the team members about the lack of engine noise. This was particularly evident
    when F1 switched to the hybrid power units compared to the screaming of
    the old V6 ICUs.

    Personally, I don't care much for the noise made by the Formula E cars.
    Just doesn't say "racing" to me. But I accept that, as an old fart, I
    may be somewhat stuck in my ways.


    Formula Scalectrix? Hard pass.


    One of my favourite memories of the sound of a racing engine is that of
    a Ferrari V12 downshifting from speed. It was as if there was a
    ferocious beast trapped in there and it was screaming in pain. Lovely
    sound. (I am not condoning causing real animals pain, BTW.)


    Or Matra V12, or Cosworth DFV, or go home.


    We are unlikely to ever hear those sorts of sounds again, <sigh>





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  • From geoff@21:1/5 to Darryl Johnson on Wed Aug 3 15:04:00 2022
    On 3/08/2022 1:19 am, Darryl Johnson wrote:
    On 2022-08-02 7:01 AM, geoff wrote:
    On 2/08/2022 10:22 pm, Martin Harran wrote:
    There's been a bit of chat here in the past about the importance of
    engine noise in F1. I found this article interesting about problems
    arising from the absence of engine noise in electric vehicles. I've
    been aware of this for some time as I drive a hybrid and I find I have
    to be extra alert in places like supermarket car parks as pedestrians
    may not be aware my car is moving when it is running on battery.

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/08/08/what-should-a-nine-thousand-pound-electric-vehicle-sound-like

    I think in F1, and Formula E, drivers are generally aware that there
    are other cars on the track.

    geoff


    But there has been pushback from both the fans and from some of the team members about the lack of engine noise. This was particularly evident
    when F1 switched to the hybrid power units compared to the screaming of
    the old V6 ICUs.

    Personally, I don't care much for the noise made by the Formula E cars.
    Just doesn't say "racing" to me. But I accept that, as an old fart, I
    may be somewhat stuck in my ways.

    One of my favourite memories of the sound of a racing engine is that of
    a Ferrari V12 downshifting from speed. It was as if there was a
    ferocious beast trapped in there and it was screaming in pain. Lovely
    sound. (I am not condoning causing real animals pain, BTW.)

    We are unlikely to ever hear those sorts of sounds again, <sigh>



    How about earbuds with selectable channels of whatever sounds, so one
    can switch to whichever noise gets one hard ?

    geoff

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  • From Darryl Johnson@21:1/5 to bra on Fri Aug 5 19:23:28 2022
    On 2022-08-05 7:13 PM, bra wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 3:22:19 AM UTC-7, martin...@gmail.com wrote:
    There's been a bit of chat here in the past about the importance of
    engine noise in F1. I found this article interesting about problems
    arising from the absence of engine noise in electric vehicles.

    Last night I got talking to a couple in their new 'MACH E', Ford's electric Mustang. It has an 'engine sound button' you can press.
    This gives a V-8 engine sound inside the cabin, but it is available outside only in reverse gear.


    There is something inherently wrong about electronic engine noise INSIDE
    THE CABIN!

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  • From geoff@21:1/5 to Darryl Johnson on Sat Aug 6 15:54:26 2022
    On 6/08/2022 11:23 am, Darryl Johnson wrote:
    On 2022-08-05 7:13 PM, bra wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 3:22:19 AM UTC-7, martin...@gmail.com
    wrote:
    There's been a bit of chat here in the past about the importance of
    engine noise in F1. I found this article interesting about problems
    arising from the absence of engine noise in electric vehicles.

    Last night I got talking to a couple in their new 'MACH E', Ford's
    electric Mustang. It has an 'engine sound button' you can press.
    This gives a V-8 engine sound inside the cabin, but it is available
    outside only in reverse gear.


    There is something inherently wrong about electronic engine noise INSIDE
    THE CABIN!




    V8 engine noise that was.

    But yes, says something profound about the people attracted to Mustangs. Possibly a correlation to penis size (or lack of).

    geoff

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  • From Mark Jackson@21:1/5 to Bigbird on Sat Aug 6 13:45:27 2022
    On 8/6/2022 5:40 AM, Bigbird wrote:

    I would like it to be standardised sooner rather than later because
    if we let manufacturers come up with their own solutions there will
    be a mish mash of stylised implementations and we will end up with
    the same situation we have with indicators that on many cars (in the
    UK at least) are not as easily and quickly discerned as they used to
    be; a safety feature turned in to a stylised selling point with
    safety being the loser.

    Don't get me started about in-vehicle touchscreens replacing physical
    controls.

    --
    Mark Jackson - https://mark-jackson.online/
    There's no nondestructive test
    for indestructibility. - Randall Munroe

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  • From Dave Garrett@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 6 16:39:54 2022
    In article <tcb8qc$1h0ud$1@dont-email.me>, News@Group.Name says...

    On 8/2/2022 9:19 AM, Darryl Johnson wrote:

    One of my favourite memories of the sound of a racing engine is that of
    a Ferrari V12 downshifting from speed. It was as if there was a
    ferocious beast trapped in there and it was screaming in pain. Lovely sound. (I am not condoning causing real animals pain, BTW.)


    Or Matra V12, or Cosworth DFV, or go home.

    Ferrari, Matra, DFV, all sounds that certainly stir the blood.

    But very few things compare to the 600+ HP howl of a twin-supercharged,
    1.5 liter V16:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4w22LJrLeU

    --
    Dave

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