I was about at a buddy's place on Sunday; a fellow racing driver...I'd be really surprised if Charles did that as it's not as if Ferrari have a reputation for absence of reliability issues.
...and I mentioned that I thought that Charles had been pretty honesty
and forthright to put the blame on himself for his crash.
But Keith showed me a couple of stills he grabbed from the coverage (or
had given to him), and he pointed out that Leclerc's left rear tire was spinning at a very unusual point in the corner, far FAR earlier than you would normally apply much throttle in La Bosse corner at Paul Ricard.
So I just took a second look at it while watching the F1 post-race show...
(start at time index 6:19 if you want to check it out)
...and his left rear is leaving dark black marks LONG before he gets to
the outside edge of the track.
They play the audio of Leclerc saying, "I cannot [unintelligble]
throttle" as his spin begins... ...but I don't know if that was contemporaneous with that moment or whether that was actually just frustration with not being able to back the car out from under the tire barrier.
What is clear is that the left rear tire was spinning up LONG before an
F1 driver would be getting back on throttle in that corner.
I think that Charles may have just said what the team wanted him to say.
But take a look yourself. See just how early in the corner (long, LONG before the car is pointed toward the apex—the second apex) the left rear is leaving dark black rubber marks.
On Tuesday, 26 July 2022 at 05:15:46 UTC+1, Alan wrote:
I was about at a buddy's place on Sunday; a fellow racing driver...I'd be really surprised if Charles did that as it's not as if Ferrari have a reputation for absence of reliability issues.
...and I mentioned that I thought that Charles had been pretty honesty
and forthright to put the blame on himself for his crash.
But Keith showed me a couple of stills he grabbed from the coverage (or
had given to him), and he pointed out that Leclerc's left rear tire was
spinning at a very unusual point in the corner, far FAR earlier than you
would normally apply much throttle in La Bosse corner at Paul Ricard.
So I just took a second look at it while watching the F1 post-race show... >>
(start at time index 6:19 if you want to check it out)
...and his left rear is leaving dark black marks LONG before he gets to
the outside edge of the track.
They play the audio of Leclerc saying, "I cannot [unintelligble]
throttle" as his spin begins... ...but I don't know if that was
contemporaneous with that moment or whether that was actually just
frustration with not being able to back the car out from under the tire
barrier.
What is clear is that the left rear tire was spinning up LONG before an
F1 driver would be getting back on throttle in that corner.
I think that Charles may have just said what the team wanted him to say.
But take a look yourself. See just how early in the corner (long, LONG
before the car is pointed toward the apex—the second apex) the left rear >> is leaving dark black rubber marks.
Why would they get the full PR machine onto him straight away and get
him to say "can you just say you made a mistake so that we save our
blushes at the factory - don't worry, it won't make you look like you crack under pressure or anything like that".
Maybe the black tyre marks / left spinning was exactly the error that he
was blaming himself for?
On 2022-07-26 02:38, Matt Larkin wrote:
On Tuesday, 26 July 2022 at 05:15:46 UTC+1, Alan wrote:
I was about at a buddy's place on Sunday; a fellow racing driver...I'd be really surprised if Charles did that as it's not as if Ferrari
...and I mentioned that I thought that Charles had been pretty honesty
and forthright to put the blame on himself for his crash.
But Keith showed me a couple of stills he grabbed from the coverage (or
had given to him), and he pointed out that Leclerc's left rear tire was
spinning at a very unusual point in the corner, far FAR earlier than you >>> would normally apply much throttle in La Bosse corner at Paul Ricard.
So I just took a second look at it while watching the F1 post-race
show...
(start at time index 6:19 if you want to check it out)
...and his left rear is leaving dark black marks LONG before he gets to
the outside edge of the track.
They play the audio of Leclerc saying, "I cannot [unintelligble]
throttle" as his spin begins... ...but I don't know if that was
contemporaneous with that moment or whether that was actually just
frustration with not being able to back the car out from under the tire
barrier.
What is clear is that the left rear tire was spinning up LONG before an
F1 driver would be getting back on throttle in that corner.
I think that Charles may have just said what the team wanted him to say. >>>
But take a look yourself. See just how early in the corner (long, LONG
before the car is pointed toward the apex—the second apex) the left rear >>> is leaving dark black rubber marks.
have a
reputation for absence of reliability issues.
Why would they get the full PR machine onto him straight away and get
him to say "can you just say you made a mistake so that we save our
blushes at the factory - don't worry, it won't make you look like you
crack
under pressure or anything like that".
Maybe the black tyre marks / left spinning was exactly the error that he
was blaming himself for?
That's certainly possible...
...but it's so early in the corner that it seems unlikely.
I'm going to try to find a lap of someone's in-car camera that includes
that data overlay to see where drivers normally go to throttle in that corner, and I expect to see that it's seconds later than those marks
appear.
I was about at a buddy's place on Sunday; a fellow racing driver...
I just took a quick look at free practice 3 (figuring it would be easier
to find an in-car shot showing the data overlay), and found one of Lewis Hamilton (start from about 14:12 in the video on F1TV), and you can
clearly see that at the same point in the corner where Leclerc's rear
tire is spinning up, Hamilton isn't near full throttle.
Hamilton only goes to full throttle just as he touches the second apex
of La Bosse.
At the same point in the corner where Leclerc's problems began, he's
using what we call "maintenance" throttle, and sure, he's even varying
the throttle to point the car a little...
...but that points up this:
'[Binotto said:] “There was a damper which was slightly sticky. Not more than that. And we already put in place some actions to avoid it for the future.”'
Well imagine if you're playing the throttle up and down to steer the car
in the mid-corner phase...
...and the damper was slightly sticky AGAIN.
Leclerc could have added throttle to get the attitude of the car where
he wanted it... ...and if the damper was sticky, he might not have been
able to reduce throttle quickly enough.
I have no way of know for sure, but it seems very much like Leclerc is
in a phase of the corner where there is no chance he'd be adding enough throttle to light up the rear tires. This is an F1 driver with many,
many laps of that track, and by this point, he knows where you can add throttle, and if you're pushing a little you might apply it a few tenths
of a second early...
...but not more than 2 SECONDS early.
I was about at a buddy's place on Sunday; a fellow racing driver...
...and I mentioned that I thought that Charles had been pretty honesty
and forthright to put the blame on himself for his crash.
But Keith showed me a couple of stills he grabbed from the coverage (or
had given to him), and he pointed out that Leclerc's left rear tire was spinning at a very unusual point in the corner, far FAR earlier than you would normally apply much throttle in La Bosse corner at Paul Ricard.
So I just took a second look at it while watching the F1 post-race show...
(start at time index 6:19 if you want to check it out)
...and his left rear is leaving dark black marks LONG before he gets to
the outside edge of the track.
They play the audio of Leclerc saying, "I cannot [unintelligble]
throttle" as his spin begins... ...but I don't know if that was contemporaneous with that moment or whether that was actually just frustration with not being able to back the car out from under the tire barrier.
What is clear is that the left rear tire was spinning up LONG before an
F1 driver would be getting back on throttle in that corner.
I think that Charles may have just said what the team wanted him to say.
But take a look yourself. See just how early in the corner (long, LONG before the car is pointed toward the apex—the second apex) the left rear is leaving dark black rubber marks.
Why would they get the full PR machine onto him straight away and get
him to say "can you just say you made a mistake so that we save our
blushes at the factory - don't worry, it won't make you look like you crack under pressure or anything like that".
I was about at a buddy's place on Sunday; a fellow racing driver...
But Keith
But Keith
But Keith
I'd be really surprised if Charles did that as it's not as if Ferrari
have a reputation for absence of reliability issues.
Why would they get the full PR machine onto him straight away and get
him to say "can you just say you made a mistake so that we save our
blushes at the factory - don't worry, it won't make you look like you
crack under pressure or anything like that".
Maybe the black tyre marks / left spinning was exactly the error that
he was blaming himself for?
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