On 10/24/2021 12:47 PM, bra wrote:

Christian Horner. “It’s like a game of chess this race"

Look, I want to watch a race, on the track: face-to-face driver contests in driving and tactical skill

I do NOT want to watch a strategic "game of chess" with UTTERLY ABSURD tire changes after only 8-to-10 laps.

Some spoiler included!

I disagree with you on this Brafield.

Although the opening game was a thrill,
and it then changed into a chess match opening,
and the middle also resembled a chess match,

that created a fine closing game that was
indeed a real "race, on the track: face-to-face
driver contest in driving and tactical skill".
Great driver against driver race with Verstappen leading
with older tires trying to hold off the charging
Hamilton.

Seemed pretty thrilling and exciting to me.
Very closely matched.

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On Sunday, October 24, 2021 at 3:06:05 PM UTC-7, a425couple wrote:

On 10/24/2021 12:47 PM, bra wrote:

Although the opening game was a thrill,
and it then changed into a chess match opening,
and the middle also resembled a chess match,

that created a fine closing game that was
indeed a real "race, on the track: face-to-face
driver contest in driving and tactical skill".
Great driver against driver race with Verstappen leading
with older tires trying to hold off the charging
Hamilton.

Seemed pretty thrilling and exciting to me.
Very closely matched.

But the "closely matched race" was manufactured by the teams, not by the drivers.
The closely matched race could go on for ever, for hours: the FIA and the teams could just keep adding tyres, but the race is essentially contested and decided in 15 laps.
I suppose the overriding factor is that an F1 race 'must' last for at least one hour, or preferably two.

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On 25/10/2021 11:06 am, a425couple wrote:

On 10/24/2021 12:47 PM, bra wrote:

Christian Horner. “It’s like a game of chess this race"

Look, I want to watch a race, on the track: face-to-face driver contests in driving and tactical
skill

I do NOT want to watch a strategic "game of chess" with UTTERLY ABSURD  tire changes after only
8-to-10 laps.

Some spoiler included!

I disagree with you on this Brafield.

Although the opening game was a thrill,
and it then changed into a chess match opening,
and the middle also resembled a chess match,

that created a fine closing game that was
indeed a real "race, on the track: face-to-face
driver contest in driving and tactical skill".
Great driver against driver race with Verstappen leading
with older tires trying to hold off the charging
Hamilton.

Seemed pretty thrilling and exciting to me.
Very closely matched.

Yep. That Honda engine is one of the best on the grid now, equal to or even better than the
Mercedes by most accounts.
--
Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy little classification
in the DSM"
David Melville

This is not an email and hasn't been checked for viruses by any half-arsed self-promoting software.

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i don't know where you've been since the 1982 Austrian Grand Prix mate, but that was when all this Pit Stop Strategy malarkey started - genius engineer Gordon Murray at Brabham was trying to figure out ways to win races if you didn't have the best car.

it was widely reported at the time - commentator James Hunt was a famous initial sceptic - until it started to work ......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982_Austrian_Grand_Prix

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On Monday, October 25, 2021 at 8:34:28 AM UTC-7, Mr Gobrien wrote:

i don't know where you've been since the 1982 Austrian Grand Prix mate, but that was when all this Pit Stop Strategy malarkey started - genius engineer Gordon Murray at Brabham was trying to figure out ways to win races if you didn't have the best car.

I have been quietly snarling to myself in the background, muttering 'It's a question of winning a race against rivals, not about entertaining digital screen addicts."

Soon, these genuinely marvelous F1 cars will be unable to complete FIVE laps on a set of tires, and the FIA will ---- what?

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On 10/24/2021 12:47 PM, bra wrote:

Christian Horner. “It’s like a game of chess this race"

Look, I want to watch a race, on the track: face-to-face driver contests in driving and tactical skill

I do NOT want to watch a strategic "game of chess" with UTTERLY ABSURD tire changes after only 8-to-10 laps.

(Dear Brafield, you may not care for the chess / strategic
decisions of this championship, but here is one description
that I found interesting.)

F1 Armchair Experts
Mark Danby · t3fp0go7csi6145o2r632h ·
Austin Post race graphs… The last graph is telling of how the last stint played out.
It was clear after Lewis took the lead , & Max was on his ass for the
1st few laps - it was all gonna be uphill for Lewis to win this race. (I
never believed he had a chance unless he/Merc cld keep track position throughout . Which brings us to the real story of this race. Tyre Deg
was already gonna be key, but it some ways, this became a race like
Monaco. Track position was KING! & the main reason for that, given the
(high) tyre deg - was the 1st sector. The DRS ok the front straight was
never gonna factor in. What was required was to a tyre over lap of
1.2-1.5 secs to the car infront, to have any chance of being close all
the way through to get the DRS out of turn 11. Max knew the key was to
keep enough tyre life on his last stint, to enable him to have the edge
through the 1st sector so the Charging Lewis wld never get close enough.
This was a race that had Merc painted all over it after FP1. Merc had to
raise their car a tad to counter for the bumps - & this took away their
rear end adv. On the flip side - we saw why Red Bull are the most
aggressive team when it comes to strategy! Something they were famous
for even when they had the fastest car during the Seb years. They knew
track position was key , & went super aggressive with pitting on lap 10, knowing Max wld come out in traffic . This is something Merc just wld
never contemplate! So keep an eye on this from RB to do the same - on
tracks that will suit the Merc, which is still the faster car . It’s now
the tyres that seem to be playing a role . The Merc disliked the Med’s,
the Red Bull dislikes the Harder tyres in the range.
This is proving to be an epic battle btwn 2 drivers that cannot be
separated! Lewis gave it his all, but Max was just as brilliant saving
his tyres. Again, it will be the pitwall that can provide a tyre
adv/strategy on the last stint that will prove the diff in this C’ship.

(Now, I think the below is too simplistic, and
ignores the likelyhood of strange things,
like Bottas rear ending Max, or Perez putting
a front wing end plate on Hamilton's rear tire.)


In simple maths - Lewis needs to win 4 of the last 5 to be the Champion
. For Max, 2 more wins & he’s home. For us the fans - best case scenario
- wld still be a 12 pt lead for Max after Brazil with 3 to go. (Maybe
the last sprint race cld be the Joker?) & then we get to the last race &
it’s 6-7 points btwn them & who ever wins there is the Champ.

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On 10/27/2021 2:13 PM, a425couple wrote:

On 10/24/2021 12:47 PM, bra wrote:

Christian Horner. “It’s like a game of chess this race"

Look, I want to watch a race, on the track: face-to-face driver
contests in driving and tactical skill

I do NOT want to watch a strategic "game of chess" with UTTERLY
ABSURD  tire changes after only 8-to-10 laps.

(Dear Brafield, you may not care for the chess / strategic
decisions of this championship, but here is one description
that I found interesting.)

F1 Armchair Experts
Mark Danby  · t3fp0go7csi6145o2r632h  ·
Austin Post race graphs… The last graph is telling of how the last stint played out.
It was clear after Lewis took the lead , & Max was on his ass for the
1st few laps - it was all gonna be uphill for Lewis to win this race. (I never believed he had a chance unless he/Merc cld keep track position throughout . Which brings us to the real story of this race. Tyre Deg
was already gonna be key, but it some ways, this became a race like
Monaco. Track position was KING! & the main reason for that, given the
(high) tyre deg - was the 1st sector. The DRS ok the front straight was
never gonna factor in. What was required was to a tyre over lap of
1.2-1.5 secs to the car infront, to have any chance of being close all
the way through to get the DRS out of turn 11. Max knew the key was to
keep enough tyre life on his last stint, to enable him to have the edge through the 1st sector so the Charging Lewis wld never get close enough.
This was a race that had Merc painted all over it after FP1. Merc had to raise their car a tad to counter for the bumps - & this took away their
rear end adv. On the flip side - we saw why Red Bull are the most
aggressive team when it comes to strategy! Something they were famous
for even when they had the fastest car during the Seb years. They knew
track position was key , & went super aggressive with pitting on lap 10, knowing Max wld come out in traffic . This is something Merc just wld
never contemplate! So keep an eye on this from RB to do the same - on
tracks that will suit the Merc, which is still the faster car . It’s now the tyres that seem to be playing a role . The Merc disliked the Med’s,
the Red Bull dislikes the Harder tyres in the range.
This is proving to be an epic battle btwn 2 drivers that cannot be
separated! Lewis gave it his all, but Max was just as brilliant saving
his tyres. Again, it will be the pitwall that can provide a tyre
adv/strategy on the last stint that will prove the diff in this C’ship.

(Now, I think the below is too simplistic, and
ignores the likelyhood of strange things,
like Bottas rear ending Max, or Perez putting
a front wing end plate on Hamilton's rear tire.)

In simple maths - Lewis needs to win 4 of the last 5 to be the Champion
. For Max, 2 more wins & he’s home. For us the fans - best case scenario
- wld still be a 12 pt lead for Max after Brazil with 3 to go. (Maybe
the last sprint race cld be the Joker?) & then we get to the last race & it’s 6-7 points btwn them & who ever wins there is the Champ.

The joker will be Toto arguing for an enhanced points scheme for Mercs.

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