• Russell getting more performance out if the W13 than Hamilton

    From Sir Tim@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 24 18:05:28 2022
    Most of us have always acknowledged that GR is a very talented driver and,
    of course, Hamilton must still be suffering the psychological after effects
    of last year’s fiasco. Nevertheless it is clear that Russell is managing to extract more performance from his car than Lewis.

    The 5 Live commentators were suggesting that this might be because George
    has had a couple of years struggling with an uncompetitive car. Sounds plausible.


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  • From texas gate@21:1/5 to Sir Tim on Sun Apr 24 11:18:22 2022
    On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 12:05:30 PM UTC-6, Sir Tim wrote:

    and, of course, Hamilton must still be suffering the psychological after effects
    of last year’s fiasco.

    lol

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  • From build@21:1/5 to Sir Tim on Sun Apr 24 13:36:04 2022
    On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 4:05:30 AM UTC+10, Sir Tim wrote:
    Most of us have always acknowledged that GR is a very talented driver and, of course, Hamilton must still be suffering the psychological after effects of last year’s fiasco. Nevertheless it is clear that Russell is managing to
    extract more performance from his car than Lewis.

    The 5 Live commentators were suggesting that this might be because George has had a couple of years struggling with an uncompetitive car. Sounds plausible.


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    Hmmm. Seems your memory is weakening.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Sir Tim on Sun Apr 24 20:52:01 2022
    On 2022-04-24 11:05 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
    Most of us have always acknowledged that GR is a very talented driver and,
    of course, Hamilton must still be suffering the psychological after effects of last year’s fiasco. Nevertheless it is clear that Russell is managing to extract more performance from his car than Lewis.

    The 5 Live commentators were suggesting that this might be because George
    has had a couple of years struggling with an uncompetitive car. Sounds plausible.



    I'm sorry, but it doesn't sound plausible to me.

    Every driver is always struggling ALL THE TIME to extract every bit of performance from EVERY car they drive.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to geoff on Sun Apr 24 21:42:43 2022
    On 2022-04-24 9:16 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 25/04/2022 6:05 am, Sir Tim wrote:
    Most of us have always acknowledged that GR is a very talented driver
    and,
    of course, Hamilton must still be suffering the psychological after
    effects
    of last year’s fiasco. Nevertheless it is clear that Russell is
    managing to
    extract more performance from his car than Lewis.

    The 5 Live commentators were suggesting that this might be because George
    has had a couple of years struggling with an uncompetitive car. Sounds
    plausible.



    I might have missed something (it was 1AM-3AM when I was watching), but
    apart from a good passing manoeuvre (or maybe two), didn't he otherwise
    end up where he was by default, and like everybody else pretty much
    remained in the train that most the race was ?

    Russell started the race 11th on the grid, and finished in 4th.

    If Ricciardo hadn't had contact with Sainz and Leclerc hadn't overcooked
    it in one chicane, he would have finished 6th, and that is still 5
    passes for position.

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  • From geoff@21:1/5 to Sir Tim on Mon Apr 25 16:16:27 2022
    On 25/04/2022 6:05 am, Sir Tim wrote:
    Most of us have always acknowledged that GR is a very talented driver and,
    of course, Hamilton must still be suffering the psychological after effects of last year’s fiasco. Nevertheless it is clear that Russell is managing to extract more performance from his car than Lewis.

    The 5 Live commentators were suggesting that this might be because George
    has had a couple of years struggling with an uncompetitive car. Sounds plausible.



    I might have missed something (it was 1AM-3AM when I was watching), but
    apart from a good passing manoeuvre (or maybe two), didn't he otherwise
    end up where he was by default, and like everybody else pretty much
    remained in the train that most the race was ?

    geoff

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  • From Mark Jackson@21:1/5 to Alan on Mon Apr 25 00:49:47 2022
    On 4/25/2022 12:42 AM, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-04-24 9:16 p.m., geoff wrote:

    I might have missed something (it was 1AM-3AM when I was watching),
    but apart from a good passing manoeuvre (or maybe two), didn't he
    otherwise end up where he was by default, and like everybody else
    pretty much remained in the train that most the race was ?

    Russell started the race 11th on the grid, and finished in 4th.

    If Ricciardo hadn't had contact with Sainz and Leclerc hadn't
    overcooked it in one chicane, he would have finished 6th, and that is
    still 5 passes for position.

    He picked up 4 of those on the first lap (not counting Sainz crashing
    out). His only pass after that was on Magnussen.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Mark Jackson on Sun Apr 24 22:06:01 2022
    On 2022-04-24 9:49 p.m., Mark Jackson wrote:
    On 4/25/2022 12:42 AM, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-04-24 9:16 p.m., geoff wrote:

    I might have missed something (it was 1AM-3AM when I was watching),
     but apart from a good passing manoeuvre (or maybe two), didn't he
     otherwise end up where he was by default, and like everybody else
     pretty much remained in the train that most the race was ?

    Russell started the race 11th on the grid, and finished in 4th.

    If Ricciardo hadn't had contact with Sainz and Leclerc hadn't
    overcooked it in one chicane, he would have finished 6th, and that is
    still 5 passes for position.

    He picked up 4 of those on the first lap (not counting Sainz crashing
    out).  His only pass after that was on Magnussen.


    So?

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  • From Bigbird@21:1/5 to Sir Tim on Mon Apr 25 10:41:04 2022
    Sir Tim wrote:

    Most of us have always acknowledged that GR is a very talented driver
    and, of course, Hamilton must still be suffering the psychological
    after effects of last year’s fiasco. Nevertheless it is clear that
    Russell is managing to extract more performance from his car than
    Lewis.

    The 5 Live commentators were suggesting that this might be because
    George has had a couple of years struggling with an uncompetitive
    car. Sounds plausible.

    It might partially be because he has better been able to adapt to a key
    feature of the Mercedes design i.e. the way it bunny hops down anything remotely like a straight...
    ...and part of that might be because he is better motivated.

    Hamilton is out there to win number eight. He seems to have already
    accepted this cannot happen this year and is de-energised.
    Russell, is in his ascendency. While disappointed he is still highly
    motivated by being in a championship winning team, with what still
    might be a decent car if they can find a way to mitigate the asphalt
    pounding. He is in a car capable of fighting at the front of the
    mid-field that is still quite a step forward from the Williams.

    It would be interesting to see an overlay of their laps to see where
    the time differences are and to know if Hamilton has done anything
    different, perhaps to go towards driveability over performance.

    Russell might be good enough to take the fight to Hamilton no matter
    what the car but the porpoising is a rather unique handicap so it's
    difficult to assess how he really compares.

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  • From texas gate@21:1/5 to Alan on Mon Apr 25 05:46:27 2022
    On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 10:42:47 PM UTC-6, Alan wrote:

    If Ricciardo hadn't had contact with Sainz and Leclerc hadn't overcooked
    it in one chicane, he would have finished 6th, and that is still 5
    passes for position.

    fuck you

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  • From texas gate@21:1/5 to Alan on Mon Apr 25 05:45:57 2022
    On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 9:52:06 PM UTC-6, Alan wrote:

    I'm sorry, but it doesn't sound plausible to me.

    Sorry is for pussys.
    You fucking pussy.

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  • From Darryl Johnson@21:1/5 to Bigbird on Mon Apr 25 09:01:58 2022
    On 2022-04-25 6:41 AM, Bigbird wrote:
    Sir Tim wrote:

    Most of us have always acknowledged that GR is a very talented driver
    and, of course, Hamilton must still be suffering the psychological
    after effects of last year’s fiasco. Nevertheless it is clear that
    Russell is managing to extract more performance from his car than
    Lewis.

    The 5 Live commentators were suggesting that this might be because
    George has had a couple of years struggling with an uncompetitive
    car. Sounds plausible.

    It might partially be because he has better been able to adapt to a key feature of the Mercedes design i.e. the way it bunny hops down anything remotely like a straight...
    ...and part of that might be because he is better motivated.

    Hamilton is out there to win number eight. He seems to have already
    accepted this cannot happen this year and is de-energised.
    Russell, is in his ascendency. While disappointed he is still highly motivated by being in a championship winning team, with what still
    might be a decent car if they can find a way to mitigate the asphalt pounding. He is in a car capable of fighting at the front of the
    mid-field that is still quite a step forward from the Williams.

    It would be interesting to see an overlay of their laps to see where
    the time differences are and to know if Hamilton has done anything
    different, perhaps to go towards driveability over performance.

    Russell might be good enough to take the fight to Hamilton no matter
    what the car but the porpoising is a rather unique handicap so it's
    difficult to assess how he really compares.


    The Sky commentators have mentioned several times that Verstappen likes
    a "pointy" car setup and that Perez prefers a stable rear end.

    I don't recall hearing anything about how Hamilton and Russell like
    their respective setups, but I do wonder if Hamilton just doesn't feel
    as comfortable with the Mercedes -- whatever its characteristics are --
    as Russell does.

    Perhaps the Mercedes handles more like the Williams that Russell had
    gotten to grips with, he is more comfortable and can coax more speed out
    of the car than Hamilton (who is trying to cope with a car that doesn't
    handle the way he likes.)

    It certainly is an interesting development, whatever the underlying
    reason, that Russell is doing comparatively better than Hamilton.

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  • From alister@21:1/5 to geoff on Mon Apr 25 12:39:58 2022
    On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 16:16:27 +1200, geoff wrote:

    On 25/04/2022 6:05 am, Sir Tim wrote:
    Most of us have always acknowledged that GR is a very talented driver
    and, of course, Hamilton must still be suffering the psychological
    after effects of last year’s fiasco. Nevertheless it is clear that
    Russell is managing to extract more performance from his car than
    Lewis.

    The 5 Live commentators were suggesting that this might be because
    George has had a couple of years struggling with an uncompetitive car.
    Sounds plausible.



    I might have missed something (it was 1AM-3AM when I was watching), but
    apart from a good passing manoeuvre (or maybe two), didn't he otherwise
    end up where he was by default, and like everybody else pretty much
    remained in the train that most the race was ?

    geoff



    I think Ham made a tactical error it continuing to hound Gasley.
    had he backed off Gasley may have been able to pass Albon, instead of
    defending & then the DRS chain would have been broken, making both Albon & Gaasley considerably easier

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Bigbird on Mon Apr 25 09:05:28 2022
    On 2022-04-25 3:41 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Sir Tim wrote:

    Most of us have always acknowledged that GR is a very talented driver
    and, of course, Hamilton must still be suffering the psychological
    after effects of last year’s fiasco. Nevertheless it is clear that
    Russell is managing to extract more performance from his car than
    Lewis.

    The 5 Live commentators were suggesting that this might be because
    George has had a couple of years struggling with an uncompetitive
    car. Sounds plausible.

    It might partially be because he has better been able to adapt to a key feature of the Mercedes design i.e. the way it bunny hops down anything remotely like a straight...
    ...and part of that might be because he is better motivated.

    Hamilton is out there to win number eight. He seems to have already
    accepted this cannot happen this year and is de-energised.
    Russell, is in his ascendency. While disappointed he is still highly motivated by being in a championship winning team, with what still
    might be a decent car if they can find a way to mitigate the asphalt pounding. He is in a car capable of fighting at the front of the
    mid-field that is still quite a step forward from the Williams.

    It would be interesting to see an overlay of their laps to see where
    the time differences are and to know if Hamilton has done anything
    different, perhaps to go towards driveability over performance.

    Russell might be good enough to take the fight to Hamilton no matter
    what the car but the porpoising is a rather unique handicap so it's
    difficult to assess how he really compares.


    The 2020 Sakhir Grand Prix, where he drove Hamilton's car despite barely
    being able to fit into it and was instantly as much faster than Bottas
    as Hamilton typically was shows there is no "might" about it.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to alister on Mon Apr 25 09:07:13 2022
    On 2022-04-25 5:39 a.m., alister wrote:
    On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 16:16:27 +1200, geoff wrote:

    On 25/04/2022 6:05 am, Sir Tim wrote:
    Most of us have always acknowledged that GR is a very talented driver
    and, of course, Hamilton must still be suffering the psychological
    after effects of last year’s fiasco. Nevertheless it is clear that
    Russell is managing to extract more performance from his car than
    Lewis.

    The 5 Live commentators were suggesting that this might be because
    George has had a couple of years struggling with an uncompetitive car.
    Sounds plausible.



    I might have missed something (it was 1AM-3AM when I was watching), but
    apart from a good passing manoeuvre (or maybe two), didn't he otherwise
    end up where he was by default, and like everybody else pretty much
    remained in the train that most the race was ?

    geoff



    I think Ham made a tactical error it continuing to hound Gasley.
    had he backed off Gasley may have been able to pass Albon, instead of defending & then the DRS chain would have been broken, making both Albon & Gaasley considerably easier

    That is very possible. At the very least, it would have been worth
    trying rather than attempting the same thing over and over again with no success.

    Even if it didn't work directly after (say) 5 laps of trying, backing
    off from immediately behind Gasly would probably have been kinder to his
    tires for another attempt at getting by later on.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Darryl Johnson on Mon Apr 25 09:08:42 2022
    On 2022-04-25 6:01 a.m., Darryl Johnson wrote:
    On 2022-04-25 6:41 AM, Bigbird wrote:
    Sir Tim wrote:

    Most of us have always acknowledged that GR is a very talented driver
    and, of course, Hamilton must still be suffering the psychological
    after effects of last year’s fiasco. Nevertheless it is clear that
    Russell is managing to extract more performance from his car than
    Lewis.

    The 5 Live commentators were suggesting that this might be because
    George has had a couple of years struggling with an uncompetitive
    car. Sounds plausible.

    It might partially be because he has better been able to adapt to a key
    feature of the Mercedes design i.e. the way it bunny hops down anything
    remotely like a straight...
    ...and part of that might be because he is better motivated.

    Hamilton is out there to win number eight. He seems to have already
    accepted this cannot happen this year and is de-energised.
    Russell, is in his ascendency. While disappointed he is still highly
    motivated by being in a championship winning team, with what still
    might be a decent car if they can find a way to mitigate the asphalt
    pounding. He is in a car capable of fighting at the front of the
    mid-field that is still quite a step forward from the Williams.

    It would be interesting to see an overlay of their laps to see where
    the time differences are and to know if Hamilton has done anything
    different, perhaps to go towards driveability over performance.

    Russell might be good enough to take the fight to Hamilton no matter
    what the car but the porpoising is a rather unique handicap so it's
    difficult to assess how he really compares.


    The Sky commentators have mentioned several times that Verstappen likes
    a "pointy" car setup and that Perez prefers a stable rear end.

    I don't recall hearing anything about how Hamilton and Russell like
    their respective setups, but I do wonder if Hamilton just doesn't feel
    as comfortable with the Mercedes -- whatever its characteristics are --
    as Russell does.

    That's certainly possible in a purely theoretical sense...

    ...but when it comes to handling balance, the teams can tune it to suit
    a driver fairly easily.

    And you'd better believe they're tuning it to suit Hamilton.


    Perhaps the Mercedes handles more like the Williams that Russell had
    gotten to grips with, he is more comfortable and can coax more speed out
    of the car than Hamilton (who is trying to cope with a car that doesn't handle the way he likes.)

    It certainly is an interesting development, whatever the underlying
    reason, that Russell is doing comparatively better than Hamilton.

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  • From texas gate@21:1/5 to Alan on Mon Apr 25 09:15:44 2022
    On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 10:07:16 AM UTC-6, Alan wrote:

    That is very possible.

    fuck off

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  • From texas gate@21:1/5 to Alan on Mon Apr 25 09:16:38 2022
    On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 10:08:45 AM UTC-6, Alan wrote:

    That's certainly possible in a purely theoretical sense...

    lol. fuck off buffoon

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  • From Edmund@21:1/5 to Darryl Johnson on Tue Apr 26 09:54:27 2022
    On 4/25/22 15:01, Darryl Johnson wrote:
    On 2022-04-25 6:41 AM, Bigbird wrote:
    Sir Tim wrote:

    Most of us have always acknowledged that GR is a very talented driver
    and, of course, Hamilton must still be suffering the psychological
    after effects of last year’s fiasco. Nevertheless it is clear that
    Russell is managing to extract more performance from his car than
    Lewis.

    The 5 Live commentators were suggesting that this might be because
    George has had a couple of years struggling with an uncompetitive
    car. Sounds plausible.

    It might partially be because he has better been able to adapt to a key
    feature of the Mercedes design i.e. the way it bunny hops down anything
    remotely like a straight...
    ...and part of that might be because he is better motivated.

    Hamilton is out there to win number eight. He seems to have already
    accepted this cannot happen this year and is de-energised.
    Russell, is in his ascendency. While disappointed he is still highly
    motivated by being in a championship winning team, with what still
    might be a decent car if they can find a way to mitigate the asphalt
    pounding. He is in a car capable of fighting at the front of the
    mid-field that is still quite a step forward from the Williams.

    It would be interesting to see an overlay of their laps to see where
    the time differences are and to know if Hamilton has done anything
    different, perhaps to go towards driveability over performance.

    Russell might be good enough to take the fight to Hamilton no matter
    what the car but the porpoising is a rather unique handicap so it's
    difficult to assess how he really compares.


    The Sky commentators have mentioned several times that Verstappen likes
    a "pointy" car setup and that Perez prefers a stable rear end.

    I don't recall hearing anything about how Hamilton and Russell like
    their respective setups, but I do wonder if Hamilton just doesn't feel
    as comfortable with the Mercedes -- whatever its characteristics are --
    as Russell does.

    I don't think any of them Rus/ham is very happy with their car, it bumps
    way too much. Just like Ferrari BTW, the RB seems much more stable and
    way easier to drive.


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  • From keithr0@21:1/5 to Sir Tim on Tue Apr 26 17:29:02 2022
    On 25/04/2022 4:05 am, Sir Tim wrote:
    Most of us have always acknowledged that GR is a very talented driver and,
    of course, Hamilton must still be suffering the psychological after effects of last year’s fiasco. Nevertheless it is clear that Russell is managing to extract more performance from his car than Lewis.

    The 5 Live commentators were suggesting that this might be because George
    has had a couple of years struggling with an uncompetitive car. Sounds plausible.


    “The true measure of a man is not how he behaves in moments of comfort
    and convenience but how he stands at times of controversy and challenges.”

    ― Martin Luther King Jr.

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  • From Mark@21:1/5 to user@account.invalid on Tue Apr 26 08:25:30 2022
    keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote:
    On 25/04/2022 4:05 am, Sir Tim wrote:
    Most of us have always acknowledged that GR is a very talented driver and, >> of course, Hamilton must still be suffering the psychological after effects >> of last year?s fiasco. Nevertheless it is clear that Russell is managing to >> extract more performance from his car than Lewis.

    The 5 Live commentators were suggesting that this might be because George
    has had a couple of years struggling with an uncompetitive car. Sounds
    plausible.


    ?The true measure of a man is not how he behaves in moments of comfort
    and convenience but how he stands at times of controversy and challenges.?

    ? Martin Luther King Jr.

    Alternatively, consider the physical demands on Hamilton (at 37, the
    second oldest driver) compared with Russell (at 24, the seventh
    youngest). That level of vibration is not going to suit an older person
    (no matter how fit) compared with a younger person. It won't suit either
    (of course), but fixing the porpoising may well change the relative performances considerably.

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  • From geoff@21:1/5 to Edmund on Tue Apr 26 22:23:55 2022
    On 26/04/2022 7:54 pm, Edmund wrote:
    On 4/25/22 15:01, Darryl Johnson wrote:
    On 2022-04-25 6:41 AM, Bigbird wrote:
    Sir Tim wrote:

    Most of us have always acknowledged that GR is a very talented driver
    and, of course, Hamilton must still be suffering the psychological
    after effects of last year’s fiasco. Nevertheless it is clear that
    Russell is managing to extract more performance from his car than
    Lewis.


    I don't think any of them Rus/ham is very happy with their car, it bumps
    way too much. Just like Ferrari BTW, the RB seems much more stable and
    way easier to drive.


    Other cars appear able to accelerate safely out of corners earlier too.

    geoff

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  • From Slang@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 26 19:25:36 2022
    Il 26/04/2022 10:25, Mark ha scritto:

    Alternatively, consider the physical demands on Hamilton (at 37, the
    second oldest driver) compared with Russell (at 24, the seventh
    youngest). That level of vibration is not going to suit an older person
    (no matter how fit) compared with a younger person. It won't suit either
    (of course), but fixing the porpoising may well change the relative


    So... better if LH retires.
    We could have a better rememberance of him... when he was on the
    missile! ;-)
    S

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  • From Mark@21:1/5 to Slang on Tue Apr 26 20:04:29 2022
    Slang <cippalippa@cippalippa.com> wrote:
    Il 26/04/2022 10:25, Mark ha scritto:

    Alternatively, consider the physical demands on Hamilton (at 37, the
    second oldest driver) compared with Russell (at 24, the seventh
    youngest). That level of vibration is not going to suit an older person
    (no matter how fit) compared with a younger person. It won't suit either
    (of course), but fixing the porpoising may well change the relative

    So... better if LH retires.

    Really? You don't think better that Mercedes (and the other teams) fix
    the porpoising?

    This is supposed to be a test of driving skill not (solely) endurance.

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