• Toto creating quite a spectacle

    From News@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 29 11:09:07 2021
    When does Toto's 'performance' go from rhetorical to actionable?

    Wolff said the team must go on the attack against Max Verstappen and Red Bull, who finished an improbable second after starting at the rear of the grid

    Toto Wolff promises ‘really aggressive’ approach to aid Lewis Hamilton title bid

    Mercedes chief says team must take the fight to Max Verstappen


    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/sep/27/toto-wolff-promises-really-aggressive-approach-to-aid-lewis-hamilton-title-bid

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  • From XYXPDQ@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 29 08:46:18 2021
    So more bashing him off the track.

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  • From Alan Baker@21:1/5 to News on Wed Sep 29 10:24:44 2021
    On 2021-09-29 8:09 a.m., News wrote:
    When does Toto's 'performance' go from rhetorical to actionable?

    Wolff said the team must go on the attack against Max Verstappen and
    Red Bull, who finished an improbable second after starting at the rear
    of the grid

    Toto Wolff promises ‘really aggressive’ approach to aid Lewis Hamilton >> title bid

    Mercedes chief says team must take the fight to Max Verstappen


    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/sep/27/toto-wolff-promises-really-aggressive-approach-to-aid-lewis-hamilton-title-bid



    See a mental health professional.

    This hatred you have cannot be healthy.

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  • From Darryl Johnson@21:1/5 to News on Wed Sep 29 14:26:58 2021
    On 2021-09-29 11:09 AM, News wrote:
    When does Toto's 'performance' go from rhetorical to actionable?

    Wolff said the team must go on the attack against Max Verstappen and
    Red Bull, who finished an improbable second after starting at the rear
    of the grid

    Toto Wolff promises ‘really aggressive’ approach to aid Lewis Hamilton >> title bid

    Mercedes chief says team must take the fight to Max Verstappen


    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/sep/27/toto-wolff-promises-really-aggressive-approach-to-aid-lewis-hamilton-title-bid



    I am certain Toto referred to Mercedes car development and setup, not
    having a physical alteration with Max (or any of the Red Bull team).

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  • From News@21:1/5 to Darryl Johnson on Wed Sep 29 15:04:48 2021
    On 9/29/2021 2:26 PM, Darryl Johnson wrote:
    On 2021-09-29 11:09 AM, News wrote:
    When does Toto's 'performance' go from rhetorical to actionable?

    Wolff said the team must go on the attack against Max Verstappen and
    Red Bull, who finished an improbable second after starting at the
    rear of the grid

    Toto Wolff promises ‘really aggressive’ approach to aid Lewis
    Hamilton title bid

    Mercedes chief says team must take the fight to Max Verstappen


    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/sep/27/toto-wolff-promises-really-aggressive-approach-to-aid-lewis-hamilton-title-bid



    I am certain Toto referred to Mercedes car development and setup, not
    having a physical alteration with Max (or any of the Red Bull team).


    Wait for it.

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  • From texas gate@21:1/5 to Alan Baker on Wed Sep 29 14:50:24 2021
    On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 11:24:47 AM UTC-6, Alan Baker wrote:

    See a mental health professional.

    This hatred you have cannot be healthy.

    That's all you got leg humper?
    Fuck do you suck.

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  • From texas gate@21:1/5 to Alan Baker on Wed Sep 29 19:27:09 2021
    On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 11:24:47 AM UTC-6, Alan Baker wrote:

    This hatred you have cannot be healthy.

    This is a big concern for?
    You fucking weirdo

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  • From build@21:1/5 to texas gate on Wed Sep 29 22:06:51 2021
    On Thursday, September 30, 2021 at 12:27:11 PM UTC+10, texas gate wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 11:24:47 AM UTC-6, Alan Baker wrote:
    This hatred you have cannot be healthy.
    This is a big concern for?
    You fucking weirdo

    Pot kettle.

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  • From Dan the Man@21:1/5 to News on Thu Sep 30 06:28:05 2021
    On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 11:09:12 AM UTC-4, News wrote:
    When does Toto's 'performance' go from rhetorical to actionable?

    Wolff said the team must go on the attack against Max Verstappen and Red Bull, who finished an improbable second after starting at the rear of the grid

    Toto Wolff promises ‘really aggressive’ approach to aid Lewis Hamilton title bid

    Mercedes chief says team must take the fight to Max Verstappen


    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/sep/27/toto-wolff-promises-really-aggressive-approach-to-aid-lewis-hamilton-title-bid
    Ever since Niki Lauda passed away, I've been quietly wondering when/if his absence might begin to tell on the Merc's performance.
    Maybe we're seeing it now? Or maybe Merc's dominance just couldn't go on forever...

    Dan

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  • From Alan Baker@21:1/5 to Dan the Man on Thu Sep 30 08:31:57 2021
    On 2021-09-30 6:28 a.m., Dan the Man wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 11:09:12 AM UTC-4, News wrote:
    When does Toto's 'performance' go from rhetorical to actionable?

    Wolff said the team must go on the attack against Max Verstappen and Red Bull, who finished an improbable second after starting at the rear of the grid

    Toto Wolff promises ‘really aggressive’ approach to aid Lewis Hamilton title bid

    Mercedes chief says team must take the fight to Max Verstappen


    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/sep/27/toto-wolff-promises-really-aggressive-approach-to-aid-lewis-hamilton-title-bid
    Ever since Niki Lauda passed away, I've been quietly wondering when/if his absence might begin to tell on the Merc's performance.
    Maybe we're seeing it now? Or maybe Merc's dominance just couldn't go on forever...

    I think the simplest explanation is probably correct.

    Mercedes assumed that last year's car would continue it's winning ways
    and so turned most of its engineering staff to the task of developing
    next year's car.

    And they were wrong. Red Bull continued to develop their car (along with
    Honda continuing engine development), and now they're pretty close to equal.

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  • From bra@21:1/5 to News on Thu Sep 30 12:08:35 2021
    On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 8:09:12 AM UTC-7, News wrote:
    When does Toto's 'performance' go from rhetorical to actionable?


    Mercedes chief says team must take the fight to Max Verstappen


    A baseball writer once crystallized it:
    "No ball game is much good unless the two teams hate each other."

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  • From geoff@21:1/5 to Alan Baker on Fri Oct 1 08:54:36 2021
    On 1/10/2021 4:31 am, Alan Baker wrote:
    On 2021-09-30 6:28 a.m., Dan the Man wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 11:09:12 AM UTC-4, News wrote:
    When does Toto's 'performance' go from rhetorical to actionable?

    Wolff said the team must go on the attack against Max Verstappen and
    Red Bull, who finished an improbable second after starting at the
    rear of the grid

    Toto Wolff promises ‘really aggressive’ approach to aid Lewis
    Hamilton title bid

    Mercedes chief says team must take the fight to Max Verstappen


    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/sep/27/toto-wolff-promises-really-aggressive-approach-to-aid-lewis-hamilton-title-bid

    Ever since Niki Lauda passed away, I've been quietly wondering when/if
    his absence might begin to tell on the Merc's performance.
    Maybe we're seeing it now? Or maybe Merc's dominance just couldn't go
    on forever...

    I think the simplest explanation is probably correct.

    Mercedes assumed that last year's car would continue it's winning ways
    and so turned most of its engineering staff to the task of developing
    next year's car.

    And they were wrong. Red Bull continued to develop their car (along with Honda continuing engine development), and now they're pretty close to
    equal.

    More like behind. (That will get Texarsehole excited !)

    geoff

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  • From Sir Tim@21:1/5 to Dan the Man on Thu Sep 30 21:34:14 2021
    Dan the Man <dan708@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 11:09:12 AM UTC-4, News wrote:
    When does Toto's 'performance' go from rhetorical to actionable?

    Wolff said the team must go on the attack against Max Verstappen and
    Red Bull, who finished an improbable second after starting at the rear of the grid

    Toto Wolff promises ‘really aggressive’ approach to aid Lewis Hamilton title bid

    Mercedes chief says team must take the fight to Max Verstappen


    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/sep/27/toto-wolff-promises-really-aggressive-approach-to-aid-lewis-hamilton-title-bid
    Ever since Niki Lauda passed away, I've been quietly wondering when/if
    his absence might begin to tell on the Merc's performance.
    Maybe we're seeing it now? Or maybe Merc's dominance just couldn't go on forever...

    I doubt it has anything to do with Lauda’s absence. More likely Mercedes decided to suspend major development of this year’s car in favour of next year’s whereas Red Bull and Honda have worked hard on the current car.

    Having a driver who can genuinely challenge Lewis Hamilton also helps.

    --
    Sir Tim

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  • From ~misfit~@21:1/5 to Sir Tim on Fri Oct 1 12:56:47 2021
    On 1/10/2021 10:34 am, Sir Tim wrote:
    Dan the Man <dan708@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 11:09:12 AM UTC-4, News wrote:
    When does Toto's 'performance' go from rhetorical to actionable?

    Wolff said the team must go on the attack against Max Verstappen and
    Red Bull, who finished an improbable second after starting at the rear of the grid

    Toto Wolff promises ‘really aggressive’ approach to aid Lewis Hamilton title bid

    Mercedes chief says team must take the fight to Max Verstappen


    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/sep/27/toto-wolff-promises-really-aggressive-approach-to-aid-lewis-hamilton-title-bid
    Ever since Niki Lauda passed away, I've been quietly wondering when/if
    his absence might begin to tell on the Merc's performance.
    Maybe we're seeing it now? Or maybe Merc's dominance just couldn't go on forever...

    I doubt it has anything to do with Lauda’s absence. More likely Mercedes decided to suspend major development of this year’s car in favour of next year’s whereas Red Bull and Honda have worked hard on the current car.

    Yep. Not only that but teams were (again) limited by the FIA on how much in-season development they
    actually could do this year. RBR benefited from the mandated late change to the rear floor which
    really hit Mercedes low-rake car hard and was compounded by the afore-mentioned limit on in-season
    development ('though it was mitigated somewhat by the stiffer side-wall tyres bought in part-way
    through the season).

    Overall though it was still a net gain to RBR (and McLaren, Ferrari et al) which I think was the
    reason for it, give the punters a better show by nobbling the dominant team who (along with Aston)
    were running a different car setup to the others.

    Having a driver who can genuinely challenge Lewis Hamilton also helps.

    ... as well as that driver having a car and engine package that is now closer to the Merc, allowing
    him to do so.
    --
    Shaun.

    "Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy little classification
    in the DSM"
    David Melville

    This is not an email and hasn't been checked for viruses by any half-arsed self-promoting software.

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  • From keithr0@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 1 13:20:19 2021
    On 1/10/2021 9:56 am, ~misfit~ wrote:
    On 1/10/2021 10:34 am, Sir Tim wrote:
    Dan the Man <dan708@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 11:09:12 AM UTC-4, News wrote:
    When does Toto's 'performance' go from rhetorical to actionable?

    Wolff said the team must go on the attack against Max Verstappen and >>>>> Red Bull, who finished an improbable second after starting at the
    rear of the grid

    Toto Wolff promises ‘really aggressive’ approach to aid Lewis
    Hamilton title bid

    Mercedes chief says team must take the fight to Max Verstappen


    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/sep/27/toto-wolff-promises-really-aggressive-approach-to-aid-lewis-hamilton-title-bid

    Ever since Niki Lauda passed away, I've been quietly wondering when/if
    his absence might begin to tell on the Merc's performance.
    Maybe we're seeing it now? Or maybe Merc's dominance just couldn't go
    on forever...

    I doubt it has anything to do with Lauda’s absence. More likely Mercedes >> decided to suspend major development of this year’s car in favour of next >> year’s whereas Red Bull and Honda have worked hard on the current car.

    Yep. Not only that but teams were (again) limited by the FIA on how much in-season development they actually could do this year. RBR benefited
    from the mandated late change to the rear floor which really hit
    Mercedes low-rake car hard and was compounded by the afore-mentioned
    limit on in-season development ('though it was mitigated somewhat by the stiffer side-wall tyres bought in part-way through the season).

    Overall though it was still a net gain to RBR (and McLaren, Ferrari et
    al) which I think was the reason for it, give the punters a better show
    by nobbling the dominant team who (along with Aston) were running a
    different car setup to the others.

    Having a driver who can genuinely challenge Lewis Hamilton also helps.

    ... as well as that driver having a car and engine package that is now
    closer to the Merc, allowing him to do so.

    I'm looking forward to next year in the hope that, with the new
    regulations, the current duopoly more challenged and we will see more
    teams actively vie for the top spots.

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  • From ~misfit~@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 1 16:31:34 2021
    On 1/10/2021 4:20 pm, keithr0 wrote:
    On 1/10/2021 9:56 am, ~misfit~ wrote:
    On 1/10/2021 10:34 am, Sir Tim wrote:
    Dan the Man <dan708@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 11:09:12 AM UTC-4, News wrote:
    When does Toto's 'performance' go from rhetorical to actionable?

    Wolff said the team must go on the attack against Max Verstappen and >>>>>> Red Bull, who finished an improbable second after starting at the rear of the grid

    Toto Wolff promises ‘really aggressive’ approach to aid Lewis Hamilton title bid

    Mercedes chief says team must take the fight to Max Verstappen


    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/sep/27/toto-wolff-promises-really-aggressive-approach-to-aid-lewis-hamilton-title-bid

    Ever since Niki Lauda passed away, I've been quietly wondering when/if >>>> his absence might begin to tell on the Merc's performance.
    Maybe we're seeing it now? Or maybe Merc's dominance just couldn't go on forever...

    I doubt it has anything to do with Lauda’s absence. More likely Mercedes >>> decided to suspend major development of this year’s car in favour of next >>> year’s whereas Red Bull and Honda have worked hard on the current car.

    Yep. Not only that but teams were (again) limited by the FIA on how much in-season development
    they actually could do this year. RBR benefited from the mandated late change to the rear floor
    which really hit Mercedes low-rake car hard and was compounded by the afore-mentioned limit on
    in-season development ('though it was mitigated somewhat by the stiffer side-wall tyres bought in
    part-way through the season).

    Overall though it was still a net gain to RBR (and McLaren, Ferrari et al) which I think was the
    reason for it, give the punters a better show by nobbling the dominant team who (along with
    Aston) were running a different car setup to the others.

    Having a driver who can genuinely challenge Lewis Hamilton also helps.

    ... as well as that driver having a car and engine package that is now closer to the Merc,
    allowing him to do so.

    I'm looking forward to next year in the hope that, with the new regulations, the current duopoly
    more challenged and we will see more teams actively vie for the top spots.

    Same. Although if it does become more of a driver-centric series we'll have a similar few running
    at the front (including Russell) IMO.
    --
    Shaun.

    "Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy little classification
    in the DSM"
    David Melville

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  • From Matt Larkin@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 1 00:43:21 2021
    On Friday, 1 October 2021 at 00:56:54 UTC+1, ~misfit~ wrote:
    On 1/10/2021 10:34 am, Sir Tim wrote:
    Dan the Man <dan...@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 11:09:12 AM UTC-4, News wrote:
    When does Toto's 'performance' go from rhetorical to actionable?

    Wolff said the team must go on the attack against Max Verstappen and >>>> Red Bull, who finished an improbable second after starting at the rear of the grid

    Toto Wolff promises ‘really aggressive’ approach to aid Lewis Hamilton title bid

    Mercedes chief says team must take the fight to Max Verstappen


    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/sep/27/toto-wolff-promises-really-aggressive-approach-to-aid-lewis-hamilton-title-bid
    Ever since Niki Lauda passed away, I've been quietly wondering when/if
    his absence might begin to tell on the Merc's performance.
    Maybe we're seeing it now? Or maybe Merc's dominance just couldn't go on forever...

    I doubt it has anything to do with Lauda’s absence. More likely Mercedes decided to suspend major development of this year’s car in favour of next
    year’s whereas Red Bull and Honda have worked hard on the current car.
    Yep. Not only that but teams were (again) limited by the FIA on how much in-season development they
    actually could do this year. RBR benefited from the mandated late change to the rear floor which
    really hit Mercedes low-rake car hard and was compounded by the afore-mentioned limit on in-season
    development ('though it was mitigated somewhat by the stiffer side-wall tyres bought in part-way
    through the season).

    Overall though it was still a net gain to RBR (and McLaren, Ferrari et al) which I think was the
    reason for it, give the punters a better show by nobbling the dominant team who (along with Aston)
    were running a different car setup to the others.
    Having a driver who can genuinely challenge Lewis Hamilton also helps.
    ... as well as that driver having a car and engine package that is now closer to the Merc, allowing
    him to do so.
    --
    Shaun.

    "Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy little classification
    in the DSM"
    David Melville

    This is not an email and hasn't been checked for viruses by any half-arsed self-promoting software.
    Almost by definition cars that are behind on performance have more tangible opportunities to
    get faster than the cars right at the front do.

    So it's no great surprise that Merc have found diminishing returns in development whilst RBR and other
    teams have managed to close the gap, especially in a context where development has been restricted
    and rules remained relatively static.

    Obviously that isn't always 100% true as designers can open up new directions with new potential
    but it wouldn't be a huge surprise that after a relatively consistent period of regulations that Merc
    had mined the best seams for performance development and were finding it difficult to maintain
    the performance gap to other teams as they found their way through new opportunities.

    Add to that the low rake / high rake challenges and you've got a perfect scenario for Merc's
    advantage to diminish.

    Who knows what next year will bring though? Someone could "do a Brawn" and leap up the order,
    and someone could discover that they'd gone down the completely wrong path and end up dropping
    like a stone through the performance rankings.

    A narrower envelope of performance across all the teams is what would make for closer racing
    and less predictable outcomes (if that's what you want), but that has to be matched with an
    ability to actually race / pass on the track. That's the magic formula that no-one has yet
    guaranteed.

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  • From keithr0@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 1 19:28:45 2021
    On 1/10/2021 1:31 pm, ~misfit~ wrote:
    On 1/10/2021 4:20 pm, keithr0 wrote:
    On 1/10/2021 9:56 am, ~misfit~ wrote:
    On 1/10/2021 10:34 am, Sir Tim wrote:
    Dan the Man <dan708@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 11:09:12 AM UTC-4, News wrote:
    When does Toto's 'performance' go from rhetorical to actionable?

    Wolff said the team must go on the attack against Max Verstappen and >>>>>>> Red Bull, who finished an improbable second after starting at the >>>>>>> rear of the grid

    Toto Wolff promises ‘really aggressive’ approach to aid Lewis >>>>>>> Hamilton title bid

    Mercedes chief says team must take the fight to Max Verstappen


    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/sep/27/toto-wolff-promises-really-aggressive-approach-to-aid-lewis-hamilton-title-bid

    Ever since Niki Lauda passed away, I've been quietly wondering when/if >>>>> his absence might begin to tell on the Merc's performance.
    Maybe we're seeing it now? Or maybe Merc's dominance just couldn't
    go on forever...

    I doubt it has anything to do with Lauda’s absence. More likely
    Mercedes
    decided to suspend major development of this year’s car in favour of >>>> next
    year’s whereas Red Bull and Honda have worked hard on the current car. >>>
    Yep. Not only that but teams were (again) limited by the FIA on how
    much in-season development they actually could do this year. RBR
    benefited from the mandated late change to the rear floor which
    really hit Mercedes low-rake car hard and was compounded by the
    afore-mentioned limit on in-season development ('though it was
    mitigated somewhat by the stiffer side-wall tyres bought in part-way
    through the season).

    Overall though it was still a net gain to RBR (and McLaren, Ferrari
    et al) which I think was the reason for it, give the punters a better
    show by nobbling the dominant team who (along with Aston) were
    running a different car setup to the others.

    Having a driver who can genuinely challenge Lewis Hamilton also helps.

    ... as well as that driver having a car and engine package that is
    now closer to the Merc, allowing him to do so.

    I'm looking forward to next year in the hope that, with the new
    regulations, the current duopoly more challenged and we will see more
    teams actively vie for the top spots.

    Same. Although if it does become more of a driver-centric series we'll
    have a similar few running at the front (including Russell) IMO.

    I hope that it does become driver centric, but even top drivers can have
    a hard time when adjusting to unfamiliar machinery viz Vettel and
    Ricciardo. There may be a few surprises (hopefully).

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  • From Bigbird@21:1/5 to News on Fri Oct 1 12:44:51 2021
    News wrote:

    When does Toto's 'performance' go from rhetorical to actionable?

    Wolff said the team must go on the attack against Max Verstappen
    and Red Bull, who finished an improbable second after starting at
    the rear of the grid

    Toto Wolff promises ‘really aggressive’ approach to aid Lewis
    Hamilton title bid

    Mercedes chief says team must take the fight to Max Verstappen


    When do you stop being a thick headed tosser?

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  • From Sir Tim@21:1/5 to user@account.invalid on Fri Oct 1 17:01:36 2021
    keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote:
    On 1/10/2021 9:56 am, ~misfit~ wrote:
    On 1/10/2021 10:34 am, Sir Tim wrote:
    Dan the Man <dan708@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 11:09:12 AM UTC-4, News wrote:
    When does Toto's 'performance' go from rhetorical to actionable?

    Wolff said the team must go on the attack against Max Verstappen and >>>>>> Red Bull, who finished an improbable second after starting at the
    rear of the grid

    Toto Wolff promises ‘really aggressive’ approach to aid Lewis
    Hamilton title bid

    Mercedes chief says team must take the fight to Max Verstappen


    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/sep/27/toto-wolff-promises-really-aggressive-approach-to-aid-lewis-hamilton-title-bid


    Ever since Niki Lauda passed away, I've been quietly wondering when/if >>>> his absence might begin to tell on the Merc's performance.
    Maybe we're seeing it now? Or maybe Merc's dominance just couldn't go
    on forever...

    I doubt it has anything to do with Lauda’s absence. More likely Mercedes >>> decided to suspend major development of this year’s car in favour of next >>> year’s whereas Red Bull and Honda have worked hard on the current car.

    Yep. Not only that but teams were (again) limited by the FIA on how much
    in-season development they actually could do this year. RBR benefited
    from the mandated late change to the rear floor which really hit
    Mercedes low-rake car hard and was compounded by the afore-mentioned
    limit on in-season development ('though it was mitigated somewhat by the
    stiffer side-wall tyres bought in part-way through the season).

    Overall though it was still a net gain to RBR (and McLaren, Ferrari et
    al) which I think was the reason for it, give the punters a better show
    by nobbling the dominant team who (along with Aston) were running a
    different car setup to the others.

    Having a driver who can genuinely challenge Lewis Hamilton also helps.

    ... as well as that driver having a car and engine package that is now
    closer to the Merc, allowing him to do so.

    I'm looking forward to next year in the hope that, with the new
    regulations, the current duopoly more challenged and we will see more
    teams actively vie for the top spots.


    Unfortunately history seems to show that after a major regulation change
    one team becomes dominant. Then, when the other teams have more or less
    caught up the FIA changes the regulations again.

    --
    Sir Tim

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  • From ~misfit~@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 2 16:26:52 2021
    On 1/10/2021 10:28 pm, keithr0 wrote:
    On 1/10/2021 1:31 pm, ~misfit~ wrote:
    On 1/10/2021 4:20 pm, keithr0 wrote:
    <snipped>
    I'm looking forward to next year in the hope that, with the new regulations, the current duopoly
    more challenged and we will see more teams actively vie for the top spots. >>
    Same. Although if it does become more of a driver-centric series we'll have a similar few running
    at the front (including Russell) IMO.

    I hope that it does become driver centric, but even top drivers can have a hard time when adjusting
    to unfamiliar machinery viz Vettel and Ricciardo. There may be a few surprises (hopefully).

    Something to think about; The two 'top drivers' you mention both were only really top drivers when
    they were at RBR and have shuffled around teams since then. Also only certain drivers CAN do well
    at RBR as evidenced by them not being able to find a running-mate for Max.

    There's something fundamentally different about how that RBR car drives that only certain drivers
    can come to grips with and it seems that, once they've got used to it over several seasons they
    don't do near as well in other cars. Almost like it's a poisoned chalice for a young driver (or has
    its own intrinsic non-compete clause).

    Some that haven't done well in it go on to do well in other cars (Gasly) and some that did well in
    other cars just can't seem to get the best out of it (Perez).

    <shrug> Just thinking out loud really but it seems to hold true.
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  • From texas gate@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 1 20:44:11 2021
    On Friday, October 1, 2021 at 9:26:57 PM UTC-6, ~misfit~ wrote:
    On 1/10/2021 10:28 pm, keithr0 wrote:
    On 1/10/2021 1:31 pm, ~misfit~ wrote:
    On 1/10/2021 4:20 pm, keithr0 wrote:
    <snipped>
    I'm looking forward to next year in the hope that, with the new regulations, the current duopoly
    more challenged and we will see more teams actively vie for the top spots.

    Same. Although if it does become more of a driver-centric series we'll have a similar few running
    at the front (including Russell) IMO.

    I hope that it does become driver centric, but even top drivers can have a hard time when adjusting
    to unfamiliar machinery viz Vettel and Ricciardo. There may be a few surprises (hopefully).
    Something to think about; The two 'top drivers' you mention both were only really top drivers when
    they were at RBR and have shuffled around teams since then. Also only certain drivers CAN do well
    at RBR as evidenced by them not being able to find a running-mate for Max.

    There's something fundamentally different about how that RBR car drives that only certain drivers
    can come to grips with and it seems that, once they've got used to it over several seasons they
    don't do near as well in other cars. Almost like it's a poisoned chalice for a young driver (or has
    its own intrinsic non-compete clause).

    Some that haven't done well in it go on to do well in other cars (Gasly) and some that did well in
    other cars just can't seem to get the best out of it (Perez).

    <shrug> Just thinking out loud really but it seems to hold true.

    you pirate sky f1
    you have no say
    you contribute fuck all to the sport
    you cheap cunt

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  • From texas gate@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 2 00:17:36 2021
    On Friday, October 1, 2021 at 9:26:57 PM UTC-6, ~misfit~ wrote:

    <shrug>

    you have time to shrug
    but you are late on your pool picks
    you dumb cunt

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