• Masi's Error

    From Heron@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 19 10:29:34 2022
    FIA releases Abu Dhabi report, says Masi made ‘human error’ https://racer.com/2022/03/19/fia-releases-abu-dhabi-report-says-masi-made-human-error/

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to alister on Sat Mar 19 09:27:38 2022
    On 2022-03-19 9:22 a.m., alister wrote:
    On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:29:34 -0500, Heron wrote:

    FIA releases Abu Dhabi report, says Masi made ‘human error’
    https://racer.com/2022/03/19/fia-releases-abu-dhabi-report-says-masi-
    made-human-error/

    I think the only person who has at any time disagreed with that is Alan,
    who i am sure will now claim this is a cover up & still claim Masi acting under direct instructions from above.

    'It also does not feature any comment or explanation from Masi regarding
    the decisions made in Abu Dhabi.'

    Odd, don't you think?

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  • From Sir Tim@21:1/5 to Heron on Sat Mar 19 16:40:40 2022
    Heron <McKeister@ipanywhere.com> wrote:
    FIA releases Abu Dhabi report, says Masi made ‘human error’ https://racer.com/2022/03/19/fia-releases-abu-dhabi-report-says-masi-made-human-error/


    So, it looks like Horner won the WDC for Max.

    “Human error” seems a reasonable finding in the circumstances but it in no way absolves Masi from blame, especially when taking account of various
    other questionable decisions during the season, and he has rightly lost his job. I can’t help wondering whether Charlie Whiting would have allowed the same situation to develop.

    The irony is that had the race been red flagged, thus negating Hamilton’s advantage, and been restarted and had Verstappen gone on to win everybody
    would have said that it was tough on Lewis but “that’s motor racing!”. As it is Max’s first championship will forever be devalued in the eyes of many fans.

    Having said all that it is clearly time to move on. Max is the champion
    whether we like it or not, as Toto and Lewis have long since accepted.

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  • From alister@21:1/5 to Alan on Sat Mar 19 16:41:10 2022
    On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 09:27:38 -0700, Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-19 9:22 a.m., alister wrote:
    On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:29:34 -0500, Heron wrote:

    FIA releases Abu Dhabi report, says Masi made ‘human error’
    https://racer.com/2022/03/19/fia-releases-abu-dhabi-report-says-masi-
    made-human-error/

    I think the only person who has at any time disagreed with that is
    Alan, who i am sure will now claim this is a cover up & still claim
    Masi acting under direct instructions from above.

    'It also does not feature any comment or explanation from Masi regarding
    the decisions made in Abu Dhabi.'

    Odd, don't you think?

    No
    this is the FIA's report on what happened
    not Masi's Defence brief




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  • From alister@21:1/5 to Heron on Sat Mar 19 16:22:40 2022
    On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:29:34 -0500, Heron wrote:

    FIA releases Abu Dhabi report, says Masi made ‘human error’ https://racer.com/2022/03/19/fia-releases-abu-dhabi-report-says-masi-
    made-human-error/

    I think the only person who has at any time disagreed with that is Alan,
    who i am sure will now claim this is a cover up & still claim Masi acting
    under direct instructions from above.


    --
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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to alister on Sat Mar 19 17:41:43 2022
    On 2022-03-19 9:22 a.m., alister wrote:
    On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:29:34 -0500, Heron wrote:

    FIA releases Abu Dhabi report, says Masi made ‘human error’
    https://racer.com/2022/03/19/fia-releases-abu-dhabi-report-says-masi-
    made-human-error/

    I think the only person who has at any time disagreed with that is Alan,
    who i am sure will now claim this is a cover up & still claim Masi acting under direct instructions from above.



    '32. It was also considered that the decisions regarding the safety car
    at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into account previous discussions (including at meetings of the F1 SAC, the F1 Commission, and
    F1 Team Managers) that made clear the F1 teams’ preference to end races
    under green flag racing conditions...'

    Straight from the actual report.

    The "F1 SAC" is the "Formula 1 Sporting Advisory Committee"

    Do you think that they (and the F1 Commission) reported to Masi...

    ...or did he report to them?

    Who is the Race Director's boss?

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  • From alister@21:1/5 to Alan on Sun Mar 20 11:50:58 2022
    On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 17:41:43 -0700, Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-19 9:22 a.m., alister wrote:
    On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:29:34 -0500, Heron wrote:

    FIA releases Abu Dhabi report, says Masi made ‘human error’
    https://racer.com/2022/03/19/fia-releases-abu-dhabi-report-says-masi-
    made-human-error/

    I think the only person who has at any time disagreed with that is
    Alan, who i am sure will now claim this is a cover up & still claim
    Masi acting under direct instructions from above.



    '32. It was also considered that the decisions regarding the safety car
    at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into account previous discussions (including at meetings of the F1 SAC, the F1 Commission, and
    F1 Team Managers) that made clear the F1 teams’ preference to end races under green flag racing conditions...'

    Straight from the actual report.

    The "F1 SAC" is the "Formula 1 Sporting Advisory Committee"

    Do you think that they (and the F1 Commission) reported to Masi...

    ...or did he report to them?

    Who is the Race Director's boss?

    "Previous discussions"
    "Preference"

    nowhere does this indicate that Masi as receiving direct instructions as
    you have repeatedly claimed.

    Yes Masi was trying to achieve what everyone wanted - never under dispute.
    the thing was simply that he was over-eager to do this & violated the
    rules in his attempt to do so.

    this is now ancient history & a dead hourse so please FUCK OFF & stop
    trying to flog it.






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    The frustration to try to change things I cannot affect,
    and the wisdom to tell the difference.

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  • From Bigbird@21:1/5 to Alan on Sun Mar 20 12:14:49 2022
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-19 9:22 a.m., alister wrote:
    On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:29:34 -0500, Heron wrote:

    FIA releases Abu Dhabi report, says Masi made ‘human error’

    https://racer.com/2022/03/19/fia-releases-abu-dhabi-report-says-masi-
    made-human-error/

    I think the only person who has at any time disagreed with that is
    Alan, who i am sure will now claim this is a cover up & still claim
    Masi acting under direct instructions from above.



    '32. It was also considered that the decisions regarding the safety
    car at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into account
    previous discussions (including at meetings of the F1 SAC, the F1
    Commission, and F1 Team Managers) that made clear the F1 teams’
    preference to end races under green flag racing conditions...'

    Straight from the actual report.


    Nothing new. You must have brought this up a dozen times and the facts remain... the regulations were not changed... only not applied.

    The "F1 SAC" is the "Formula 1 Sporting Advisory Committee"

    Do you think that they (and the F1 Commission) reported to Masi...

    ...or did he report to them?

    Who is the Race Director's boss?

    Something you have been asked many times and always failed to respond;
    who are the people that you claim told Masi, during the SC period, to
    not apply the regulations?

    It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge cover up but only
    if it involves a conspiracy, to change the outcome of the race, that
    only you claim exists.

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  • From Sir Tim@21:1/5 to alister on Sun Mar 20 19:11:23 2022
    alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 17:41:43 -0700, Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-19 9:22 a.m., alister wrote:
    On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:29:34 -0500, Heron wrote:

    FIA releases Abu Dhabi report, says Masi made ‘human error’
    https://racer.com/2022/03/19/fia-releases-abu-dhabi-report-says-masi-
    made-human-error/

    I think the only person who has at any time disagreed with that is
    Alan, who i am sure will now claim this is a cover up & still claim
    Masi acting under direct instructions from above.



    '32. It was also considered that the decisions regarding the safety car
    at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into account previous
    discussions (including at meetings of the F1 SAC, the F1 Commission, and
    F1 Team Managers) that made clear the F1 teams’ preference to end races
    under green flag racing conditions...'

    Straight from the actual report.

    The "F1 SAC" is the "Formula 1 Sporting Advisory Committee"

    Do you think that they (and the F1 Commission) reported to Masi...

    ...or did he report to them?

    Who is the Race Director's boss?

    "Previous discussions"
    "Preference"

    nowhere does this indicate that Masi as receiving direct instructions as
    you have repeatedly claimed.

    I think that the report makes it clear that the only person Masi received direct instruction from was Christian Horner

    Yes Masi was trying to achieve what everyone wanted - never under dispute. the thing was simply that he was over-eager to do this & violated the
    rules in his attempt to do so.

    this is now ancient history & a dead horse so please FUCK OFF & stop
    trying to flog it.

    +1


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  • From geoff@21:1/5 to Sir Tim on Mon Mar 21 11:14:32 2022
    On 21/03/2022 8:11 am, Sir Tim wrote:
    alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 17:41:43 -0700, Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-19 9:22 a.m., alister wrote:
    On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:29:34 -0500, Heron wrote:

    FIA releases Abu Dhabi report, says Masi made ‘human error’
    https://racer.com/2022/03/19/fia-releases-abu-dhabi-report-says-masi- >>>> made-human-error/

    I think the only person who has at any time disagreed with that is
    Alan, who i am sure will now claim this is a cover up & still claim
    Masi acting under direct instructions from above.



    '32. It was also considered that the decisions regarding the safety car
    at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into account previous
    discussions (including at meetings of the F1 SAC, the F1 Commission, and >>> F1 Team Managers) that made clear the F1 teams’ preference to end races >>> under green flag racing conditions...'

    Straight from the actual report.

    The "F1 SAC" is the "Formula 1 Sporting Advisory Committee"

    Do you think that they (and the F1 Commission) reported to Masi...

    ...or did he report to them?

    Who is the Race Director's boss?

    "Previous discussions"
    "Preference"

    nowhere does this indicate that Masi as receiving direct instructions as
    you have repeatedly claimed.

    I think that the report makes it clear that the only person Masi received direct instruction from was Christian Horner

    Yes Masi was trying to achieve what everyone wanted - never under dispute. >> the thing was simply that he was over-eager to do this & violated the
    rules in his attempt to do so.

    this is now ancient history & a dead horse so please FUCK OFF & stop
    trying to flog it.

    +1



    +2

    geoff

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  • From geoff@21:1/5 to Bigbird on Mon Mar 21 11:15:41 2022
    On 21/03/2022 1:14 am, Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-19 9:22 a.m., alister wrote:
    On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:29:34 -0500, Heron wrote:

    FIA releases Abu Dhabi report, says Masi made ‘human error’

    https://racer.com/2022/03/19/fia-releases-abu-dhabi-report-says-masi-
    made-human-error/

    I think the only person who has at any time disagreed with that is
    Alan, who i am sure will now claim this is a cover up & still claim
    Masi acting under direct instructions from above.



    '32. It was also considered that the decisions regarding the safety
    car at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into account
    previous discussions (including at meetings of the F1 SAC, the F1
    Commission, and F1 Team Managers) that made clear the F1 teams’
    preference to end races under green flag racing conditions...'

    Straight from the actual report.


    Nothing new. You must have brought this up a dozen times and the facts remain... the regulations were not changed... only not applied.

    The "F1 SAC" is the "Formula 1 Sporting Advisory Committee"

    Do you think that they (and the F1 Commission) reported to Masi...

    ...or did he report to them?

    Who is the Race Director's boss?

    Something you have been asked many times and always failed to respond;
    who are the people that you claim told Masi, during the SC period, to
    not apply the regulations?

    It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge cover up but only
    if it involves a conspiracy, to change the outcome of the race, that
    only you claim exists.


    It was Q.

    But no point in trying to end this, as A will always insist on having
    the last word, ad infinitum.

    geoff

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  • From Bigbird@21:1/5 to geoff on Mon Mar 21 09:55:12 2022
    geoff wrote:

    On 21/03/2022 1:14 am, Bigbird wrote:
    It was Q.

    But no point in trying to end this, as A will always insist on having
    the last word, ad infinitum.


    Perhaps he has been conditioned by Trumpers into their way of thinking;
    lie down with Trumpers wake up seeing conspiracies.

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  • From texas gate@21:1/5 to Bigbird on Mon Mar 21 14:26:27 2022
    On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 3:55:14 AM UTC-6, Bigbird wrote:

    Perhaps he has been conditioned by Trumpers into their way of thinking;
    lie down with Trumpers wake up seeing conspiracies.

    The ukraine mess would not have
    happened with trump in power.
    You useless british twat.

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  • From Slang@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 21 23:52:18 2022
    Il 21/03/2022 22:26, texas gate ha scritto:
    On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 3:55:14 AM UTC-6, Bigbird wrote:

    Perhaps he has been conditioned by Trumpers into their way of thinking;
    lie down with Trumpers wake up seeing conspiracies.

    The ukraine mess would not have
    happened with trump in power.
    You useless british twat.


    Wow, a fan of the III WW.
    And you are a Marine, right?
    S

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  • From Martin Harran@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 21 23:08:31 2022
    On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 23:52:18 +0100, Slang <cippalippa@cippalippa.com>
    wrote:

    Il 21/03/2022 22:26, texas gate ha scritto:
    On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 3:55:14 AM UTC-6, Bigbird wrote:

    Perhaps he has been conditioned by Trumpers into their way of thinking;
    lie down with Trumpers wake up seeing conspiracies.

    The ukraine mess would not have
    happened with trump in power.
    You useless british twat.


    Wow, a fan of the III WW.
    And you are a Marine, right?
    S

    He's right for once, there wouldn't be the current war - American arms
    and sanctions are playing a vital role and if Trump were still there,
    Ukraine wouldn't be getting those arms and there would have been no
    sanctions, Trump would have just told his hero Putin to go ahead and
    take over whatever he wanted.

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  • From geoff@21:1/5 to Martin Harran on Tue Mar 22 12:27:51 2022
    On 22/03/2022 12:08 pm, Martin Harran wrote:
    On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 23:52:18 +0100, Slang <cippalippa@cippalippa.com>
    wrote:

    Il 21/03/2022 22:26, texas gate ha scritto:
    On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 3:55:14 AM UTC-6, Bigbird wrote:

    Perhaps he has been conditioned by Trumpers into their way of thinking; >>>> lie down with Trumpers wake up seeing conspiracies.

    The ukraine mess would not have
    happened with trump in power.
    You useless british twat.


    Wow, a fan of the III WW.
    And you are a Marine, right?
    S

    He's right for once, there wouldn't be the current war - American arms
    and sanctions are playing a vital role and if Trump were still there,
    Ukraine wouldn't be getting those arms and there would have been no sanctions, Trump would have just told his hero Putin to go ahead and
    take over whatever he wanted.

    He already 'admired' Putin for the attack. And presumably was grateful
    for his buddy holding off until he was no longer in the hot seat.

    geoff

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  • From texas gate@21:1/5 to martin...@gmail.com on Mon Mar 21 17:04:50 2022
    On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 5:08:33 PM UTC-6, martin...@gmail.com wrote:

    He's right for once, there wouldn't be the current war - American arms
    and sanctions are playing a vital role and if Trump were still there,
    Ukraine wouldn't be getting those arms and there would have been no sanctions, Trump would have just told his hero Putin to go ahead and
    take over whatever he wanted.

    lol. Like when putin took crimea with
    obama as US president.
    You are out to lunch.
    Trump got rid isis.
    You are welcome.

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  • From Slang@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 22 01:32:32 2022
    Il 22/03/2022 01:04, texas gate ha scritto:
    On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 5:08:33 PM UTC-6, martin...@gmail.com wrote:

    He's right for once, there wouldn't be the current war - American arms
    and sanctions are playing a vital role and if Trump were still there,
    Ukraine wouldn't be getting those arms and there would have been no
    sanctions, Trump would have just told his hero Putin to go ahead and
    take over whatever he wanted.


    Trump got rid isis.

    Yes, and Sarah Young is still virgin.
    S

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  • From texas gate@21:1/5 to geoff on Mon Mar 21 17:24:23 2022
    On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 5:28:03 PM UTC-6, geoff wrote:

    And presumably was grateful
    for his buddy holding off until he was no longer in the hot seat.

    'presumably' ?
    Another useless nz tit fuck.
    Homosexuals are banned at
    front lines in ukraine.
    So hunker down asshole.

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  • From geoff@21:1/5 to texas gate on Tue Mar 22 14:56:15 2022
    On 22/03/2022 1:04 pm, texas gate wrote:
    On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 5:08:33 PM UTC-6, martin...@gmail.com wrote:

    He's right for once, there wouldn't be the current war - American arms
    and sanctions are playing a vital role and if Trump were still there,
    Ukraine wouldn't be getting those arms and there would have been no
    sanctions, Trump would have just told his hero Putin to go ahead and
    take over whatever he wanted.

    lol. Like when putin took crimea with
    obama as US president.

    Yes .... exactly. You wanted to start WW3 then too ?

    You are out to lunch.
    Trump got rid isis.

    Really ?

    You are welcome.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Sir Tim on Mon Mar 21 19:35:10 2022
    On 2022-03-20 12:11 p.m., Sir Tim wrote:
    alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 17:41:43 -0700, Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-19 9:22 a.m., alister wrote:
    On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:29:34 -0500, Heron wrote:

    FIA releases Abu Dhabi report, says Masi made ‘human error’
    https://racer.com/2022/03/19/fia-releases-abu-dhabi-report-says-masi- >>>> made-human-error/

    I think the only person who has at any time disagreed with that is
    Alan, who i am sure will now claim this is a cover up & still claim
    Masi acting under direct instructions from above.



    '32. It was also considered that the decisions regarding the safety car
    at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into account previous
    discussions (including at meetings of the F1 SAC, the F1 Commission, and >>> F1 Team Managers) that made clear the F1 teams’ preference to end races >>> under green flag racing conditions...'

    Straight from the actual report.

    The "F1 SAC" is the "Formula 1 Sporting Advisory Committee"

    Do you think that they (and the F1 Commission) reported to Masi...

    ...or did he report to them?

    Who is the Race Director's boss?

    "Previous discussions"
    "Preference"

    nowhere does this indicate that Masi as receiving direct instructions as
    you have repeatedly claimed.

    I think that the report makes it clear that the only person Masi received direct instruction from was Christian Horner

    Really?

    Would you mind quoting that portion?

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to alister on Mon Mar 21 19:34:25 2022
    On 2022-03-20 4:50 a.m., alister wrote:
    On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 17:41:43 -0700, Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-19 9:22 a.m., alister wrote:
    On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:29:34 -0500, Heron wrote:

    FIA releases Abu Dhabi report, says Masi made ‘human error’
    https://racer.com/2022/03/19/fia-releases-abu-dhabi-report-says-masi-
    made-human-error/

    I think the only person who has at any time disagreed with that is
    Alan, who i am sure will now claim this is a cover up & still claim
    Masi acting under direct instructions from above.



    '32. It was also considered that the decisions regarding the safety car
    at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into account previous
    discussions (including at meetings of the F1 SAC, the F1 Commission, and
    F1 Team Managers) that made clear the F1 teams’ preference to end races
    under green flag racing conditions...'

    Straight from the actual report.

    The "F1 SAC" is the "Formula 1 Sporting Advisory Committee"

    Do you think that they (and the F1 Commission) reported to Masi...

    ...or did he report to them?

    Who is the Race Director's boss?

    "Previous discussions"
    "Preference"

    nowhere does this indicate that Masi as receiving direct instructions as
    you have repeatedly claimed.

    Really?

    What language did you think the group who indicated those preferences
    would use?



    Yes Masi was trying to achieve what everyone wanted - never under dispute. the thing was simply that he was over-eager to do this & violated the
    rules in his attempt to do so.

    So you first deny then admit there was more to it.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Bigbird on Mon Mar 21 19:36:40 2022
    On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-19 9:22 a.m., alister wrote:
    On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:29:34 -0500, Heron wrote:

    FIA releases Abu Dhabi report, says Masi made ‘human error’

    https://racer.com/2022/03/19/fia-releases-abu-dhabi-report-says-masi-
    made-human-error/

    I think the only person who has at any time disagreed with that is
    Alan, who i am sure will now claim this is a cover up & still claim
    Masi acting under direct instructions from above.



    '32. It was also considered that the decisions regarding the safety
    car at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into account
    previous discussions (including at meetings of the F1 SAC, the F1
    Commission, and F1 Team Managers) that made clear the F1 teams’
    preference to end races under green flag racing conditions...'

    Straight from the actual report.


    Nothing new. You must have brought this up a dozen times and the facts remain... the regulations were not changed... only not applied.

    The "F1 SAC" is the "Formula 1 Sporting Advisory Committee"

    Do you think that they (and the F1 Commission) reported to Masi...

    ...or did he report to them?

    Who is the Race Director's boss?

    Something you have been asked many times and always failed to respond;
    who are the people that you claim told Masi, during the SC period, to
    not apply the regulations?

    I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"


    It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge cover up but only
    if it involves a conspiracy, to change the outcome of the race, that
    only you claim exists.

    It seems you're willing to ignore that there was clearly direction from
    above that led Masi to give special information to the teams prior to
    the start of the race.

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  • From texas gate@21:1/5 to Alan on Mon Mar 21 22:21:58 2022
    On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 8:36:45 PM UTC-6, Alan wrote:

    special information

    lol

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  • From Bigbird@21:1/5 to Alan on Tue Mar 22 09:56:47 2022
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-19 9:22 a.m., alister wrote:
    On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:29:34 -0500, Heron wrote:

    FIA releases Abu Dhabi report, says Masi made ‘human error’


    https://racer.com/2022/03/19/fia-releases-abu-dhabi-report-says-masi-
    made-human-error/

    I think the only person who has at any time disagreed with that
    is Alan, who i am sure will now claim this is a cover up &
    still claim Masi acting under direct instructions from above.



    '32. It was also considered that the decisions regarding the
    safety car at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into
    account previous discussions (including at meetings of the F1
    SAC, the F1 Commission, and F1 Team Managers) that made clear the
    F1 teams’ preference to end races under green flag racing conditions...'

    Straight from the actual report.


    Nothing new. You must have brought this up a dozen times and the
    facts remain... the regulations were not changed... only not
    applied.

    The "F1 SAC" is the "Formula 1 Sporting Advisory Committee"

    Do you think that they (and the F1 Commission) reported to Masi...

    ...or did he report to them?

    Who is the Race Director's boss?

    Something you have been asked many times and always failed to
    respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, during the SC
    period, to not apply the regulations?

    I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"


    That's essentially a lie. You constantly pushed that.


    It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge cover up but
    only if it involves a conspiracy, to change the outcome of the
    race, that only you claim exists.

    It seems you're willing to ignore that there was clearly direction
    from above that led Masi to give special information to the teams
    prior to the start of the race.

    Cite.

    The only thing clarified above is that " the
    F1 teams’ preference to end races under green flag racing
    conditions"

    Any other inference is a fabrication.

    You dishonestly tried to imply otherwise.

    --
    Bozo bin
    Felicity
    George R
    Irving S
    Texasgate
    Enjoy!

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  • From Alan LeHun@21:1/5 to then suddenly changed his mind and on Tue Mar 22 10:27:57 2022
    In article <t1bcnr$lre$3@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...
    Something you have been asked many times and always failed to respond;
    who are the people that you claim told Masi, during the SC period, to
    not apply the regulations?

    I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"


    I thought that was what the claim was. Masi said no lapping of cars and
    then suddenly changed his mind and said six could lap.


    It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge cover up but only
    if it involves a conspiracy, to change the outcome of the race, that
    only you claim exists.

    It seems you're willing to ignore that there was clearly direction from
    above that led Masi to give special information to the teams prior to
    the start of the race.


    Masi, or more correctly, the race director, gives special information to
    the teams before every race. It's called a pre-race briefing or
    something.

    What I don't understand is why you say 'clearly' when you appear to be
    the only person on the planet who can see 'it'?

    Occam's razor applys. We know there was a push prior by all involved to
    see races finish under green flags /where possible/. We know that Masi
    said no lapped cars. We know Horner pressured Masi using above pretext.
    We know Masi changed his mind.

    Simples.



    --
    Alan LeHun

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  • From Bigbird@21:1/5 to Alan on Tue Mar 22 10:16:52 2022
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Something you have been asked many times and always failed to
    respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, during the SC
    period, to not apply the regulations?

    I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"


    2 examples

    "Masi did not make that call on his own; you can absolutely count on
    that."

    "If there conclusions were only that Masi acted alone, why would they
    want to do that?
    "



    --
    Bozo bin
    Felicity
    George R
    Irving S
    Texasgate
    Enjoy!

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Bigbird on Tue Mar 22 09:17:15 2022
    On 2022-03-22 3:16 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Something you have been asked many times and always failed to
    respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, during the SC
    period, to not apply the regulations?

    I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"


    2 examples

    "Masi did not make that call on his own; you can absolutely count on
    that."

    What does that have to do with WHEN the other influence was applied?


    "If there conclusions were only that Masi acted alone, why would they
    want to do that?

    Sorry, but same question.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Bigbird on Tue Mar 22 09:16:29 2022
    On 2022-03-22 2:56 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-19 9:22 a.m., alister wrote:
    On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:29:34 -0500, Heron wrote:

    FIA releases Abu Dhabi report, says Masi made ‘human error’


    https://racer.com/2022/03/19/fia-releases-abu-dhabi-report-says-masi-
    made-human-error/

    I think the only person who has at any time disagreed with that
    is Alan, who i am sure will now claim this is a cover up &
    still claim Masi acting under direct instructions from above.



    '32. It was also considered that the decisions regarding the
    safety car at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into
    account previous discussions (including at meetings of the F1
    SAC, the F1 Commission, and F1 Team Managers) that made clear the
    F1 teams’ preference to end races under green flag racing
    conditions...'

    Straight from the actual report.


    Nothing new. You must have brought this up a dozen times and the
    facts remain... the regulations were not changed... only not
    applied.

    The "F1 SAC" is the "Formula 1 Sporting Advisory Committee"

    Do you think that they (and the F1 Commission) reported to Masi...

    ...or did he report to them?

    Who is the Race Director's boss?

    Something you have been asked many times and always failed to
    respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, during the SC
    period, to not apply the regulations?

    I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"


    That's essentially a lie. You constantly pushed that.

    Nope. What you just said is a lie.





    It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge cover up but
    only if it involves a conspiracy, to change the outcome of the
    race, that only you claim exists.

    It seems you're willing to ignore that there was clearly direction
    from above that led Masi to give special information to the teams
    prior to the start of the race.

    Cite.

    The fact that he gave special instructions to the teams before the race.


    The only thing clarified above is that " the
    F1 teams’ preference to end races under green flag racing
    conditions"

    Any other inference is a fabrication.

    You dishonestly tried to imply otherwise.


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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Alan LeHun on Tue Mar 22 09:18:25 2022
    On 2022-03-22 3:27 a.m., Alan LeHun wrote:
    In article <t1bcnr$lre$3@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...
    Something you have been asked many times and always failed to respond;
    who are the people that you claim told Masi, during the SC period, to
    not apply the regulations?

    I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"


    I thought that was what the claim was. Masi said no lapping of cars and
    then suddenly changed his mind and said six could lap.

    It wasn't.




    It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge cover up but only
    if it involves a conspiracy, to change the outcome of the race, that
    only you claim exists.

    It seems you're willing to ignore that there was clearly direction from
    above that led Masi to give special information to the teams prior to
    the start of the race.


    Masi, or more correctly, the race director, gives special information to
    the teams before every race. It's called a pre-race briefing or
    something.

    This was UNIQUE instructions regarding how the safety car would be used.


    What I don't understand is why you say 'clearly' when you appear to be
    the only person on the planet who can see 'it'?

    Occam's razor applys. We know there was a push prior by all involved to
    see races finish under green flags /where possible/. We know that Masi
    said no lapped cars. We know Horner pressured Masi using above pretext.
    We know Masi changed his mind.

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  • From Martin Harran@21:1/5 to bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com on Tue Mar 22 17:31:59 2022
    On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 09:56:47 -0000 (UTC), "Bigbird" <bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-19 9:22 a.m., alister wrote:
    On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:29:34 -0500, Heron wrote:

    FIA releases Abu Dhabi report, says Masi made human error


    https://racer.com/2022/03/19/fia-releases-abu-dhabi-report-says-masi-
    made-human-error/

    I think the only person who has at any time disagreed with that
    is Alan, who i am sure will now claim this is a cover up &
    still claim Masi acting under direct instructions from above.



    '32. It was also considered that the decisions regarding the
    safety car at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into
    account previous discussions (including at meetings of the F1
    SAC, the F1 Commission, and F1 Team Managers) that made clear the
    F1 teams preference to end races under green flag racing
    conditions...'

    Straight from the actual report.


    Nothing new. You must have brought this up a dozen times and the
    facts remain... the regulations were not changed... only not
    applied.

    The "F1 SAC" is the "Formula 1 Sporting Advisory Committee"

    Do you think that they (and the F1 Commission) reported to Masi...

    ...or did he report to them?

    Who is the Race Director's boss?

    Something you have been asked many times and always failed to
    respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, during the SC
    period, to not apply the regulations?

    I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"


    That's essentially a lie. You constantly pushed that.


    It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge cover up but
    only if it involves a conspiracy, to change the outcome of the
    race, that only you claim exists.

    It seems you're willing to ignore that there was clearly direction
    from above that led Masi to give special information to the teams
    prior to the start of the race.

    Cite.

    The only thing clarified above is that " the
    F1 teams preference to end races under green flag racing
    conditions"

    Which was just about everybody's preference. Nothing at all in it
    about Masi being free to ignore existing rules and practices.


    Any other inference is a fabrication.

    You dishonestly tried to imply otherwise.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Martin Harran on Tue Mar 22 10:34:53 2022
    On 2022-03-22 10:31 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 09:56:47 -0000 (UTC), "Bigbird" <bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-19 9:22 a.m., alister wrote:
    On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:29:34 -0500, Heron wrote:

    FIA releases Abu Dhabi report, says Masi made ‘human error’


    https://racer.com/2022/03/19/fia-releases-abu-dhabi-report-says-masi-
    made-human-error/

    I think the only person who has at any time disagreed with that
    is Alan, who i am sure will now claim this is a cover up &
    still claim Masi acting under direct instructions from above.



    '32. It was also considered that the decisions regarding the
    safety car at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into
    account previous discussions (including at meetings of the F1
    SAC, the F1 Commission, and F1 Team Managers) that made clear the
    F1 teams’ preference to end races under green flag racing
    conditions...'

    Straight from the actual report.


    Nothing new. You must have brought this up a dozen times and the
    facts remain... the regulations were not changed... only not
    applied.

    The "F1 SAC" is the "Formula 1 Sporting Advisory Committee"

    Do you think that they (and the F1 Commission) reported to Masi...

    ...or did he report to them?

    Who is the Race Director's boss?

    Something you have been asked many times and always failed to
    respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, during the SC
    period, to not apply the regulations?

    I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"


    That's essentially a lie. You constantly pushed that.


    It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge cover up but
    only if it involves a conspiracy, to change the outcome of the
    race, that only you claim exists.

    It seems you're willing to ignore that there was clearly direction
    from above that led Masi to give special information to the teams
    prior to the start of the race.

    Cite.

    The only thing clarified above is that " the
    F1 teams’ preference to end races under green flag racing
    conditions"

    Which was just about everybody's preference. Nothing at all in it
    about Masi being free to ignore existing rules and practices.

    Except the fact that MASI brought the teams an extra message about how
    the safety car would be handled late in the race indicates that he had
    received instructions on the subject from someone above him.

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  • From texas gate@21:1/5 to Alan on Tue Mar 22 11:00:34 2022
    On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 10:17:17 AM UTC-6, Alan wrote:

    Sorry, but same question.

    sorry is for pussys
    you fucking pussy

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  • From Bigbird@21:1/5 to Alan on Tue Mar 22 18:13:05 2022
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 2:56 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-19 9:22 a.m., alister wrote:
    On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:29:34 -0500, Heron wrote:

    FIA releases Abu Dhabi report, says Masi made ‘human
    error’



    https://racer.com/2022/03/19/fia-releases-abu-dhabi-report-says-masi-
    made-human-error/

    I think the only person who has at any time disagreed with
    that is Alan, who i am sure will now claim this is a cover
    up & still claim Masi acting under direct instructions from
    above.



    '32. It was also considered that the decisions regarding the
    safety car at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took
    into account previous discussions (including at meetings of
    the F1 SAC, the F1 Commission, and F1 Team Managers) that
    made clear the F1 teams’ preference to end races under green
    flag racing conditions...'

    Straight from the actual report.


    Nothing new. You must have brought this up a dozen times and the
    facts remain... the regulations were not changed... only not
    applied.

    The "F1 SAC" is the "Formula 1 Sporting Advisory Committee"

    Do you think that they (and the F1 Commission) reported to
    Masi...

    ...or did he report to them?

    Who is the Race Director's boss?

    Something you have been asked many times and always failed to
    respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, during
    the SC period, to not apply the regulations?

    I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"


    That's essentially a lie. You constantly pushed that.

    Nope. What you just said is a lie.


    "Masi did not make that call on his own; you can absolutely count on
    that."

    "If there conclusions were only that Masi acted alone, why would they
    want to do that?"

    The threads they are taken from expose you dishonesty.





    It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge cover up but
    only if it involves a conspiracy, to change the outcome of the
    race, that only you claim exists.

    It seems you're willing to ignore that there was clearly direction
    from above that led Masi to give special information to the teams
    prior to the start of the race.

    Cite.

    The fact that he gave special instructions to the teams before the
    race.


    So no cite, just deflection.

    What special instructions?


    The only thing clarified above is that " the
    F1 teams’ preference to end races under green flag racing
    conditions"

    Any other inference is a fabrication.

    You dishonestly tried to imply otherwise.


    Why did you duck responding to this.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Bigbird@21:1/5 to Alan on Tue Mar 22 18:08:37 2022
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 3:16 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Something you have been asked many times and always failed to
    respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, during
    the SC period, to not apply the regulations?

    I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"


    2 examples

    "Masi did not make that call on his own; you can absolutely count on
    that."

    What does that have to do with WHEN the other influence was applied?


    Find the thread and re-read it.

    You are either lying or pretending to have forgotten the context.


    "If there conclusions were only that Masi acted alone, why would
    they want to do that?

    Sorry, but same question.

    So are you now backpedaling and saying you believe he acted alone?

    Yes or no?

    --
    Bozo bin
    Felicity
    George R
    Irving S
    Texasgate
    Enjoy!

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Bigbird on Tue Mar 22 11:13:18 2022
    On 2022-03-22 11:08 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 3:16 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Something you have been asked many times and always failed to
    respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, during
    the SC period, to not apply the regulations?

    I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"


    2 examples

    "Masi did not make that call on his own; you can absolutely count on
    that."

    What does that have to do with WHEN the other influence was applied?


    Find the thread and re-read it.

    Nope. You quote it, Liar.


    You are either lying or pretending to have forgotten the context.

    Liar.



    "If there conclusions were only that Masi acted alone, why would
    they want to do that?

    Sorry, but same question.

    So are you now backpedaling and saying you believe he acted alone?

    Yes or no?


    Nope. He acted on the (earlier) instructions he'd received from his
    superiors.

    Instructions that are the reason that he gave unique instructions to the teams...

    ...BEFORE THE RACE...

    ...that any safety car period near the end of the race would be ended as quickly as possible.

    Yes or no:

    Did Masi give those unique instructions prior to the race?

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  • From Bigbird@21:1/5 to Alan on Tue Mar 22 18:14:19 2022
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 3:27 a.m., Alan LeHun wrote:
    In article <t1bcnr$lre$3@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...
    Something you have been asked many times and always failed to
    respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, during
    the SC period, to not apply the regulations?

    I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"


    I thought that was what the claim was. Masi said no lapping of cars
    and then suddenly changed his mind and said six could lap.

    It wasn't.




    It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge cover up
    but only if it involves a conspiracy, to change the outcome of
    the race, that only you claim exists.

    It seems you're willing to ignore that there was clearly
    direction from above that led Masi to give special information to
    the teams prior to the start of the race.


    Masi, or more correctly, the race director, gives special
    information to the teams before every race. It's called a pre-race
    briefing or something.

    This was UNIQUE instructions regarding how the safety car would be
    used.


    Let's keep this simple.

    You are lying.


    --
    Bozo bin
    Felicity
    George R
    Irving S
    Texasgate
    Enjoy!

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Bigbird on Tue Mar 22 11:15:18 2022
    On 2022-03-22 11:13 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 2:56 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-19 9:22 a.m., alister wrote:
    On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:29:34 -0500, Heron wrote:

    FIA releases Abu Dhabi report, says Masi made ‘human
    error’



    https://racer.com/2022/03/19/fia-releases-abu-dhabi-report-says-masi-
    made-human-error/

    I think the only person who has at any time disagreed with
    that is Alan, who i am sure will now claim this is a cover
    up & still claim Masi acting under direct instructions from
    above.



    '32. It was also considered that the decisions regarding the
    safety car at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took
    into account previous discussions (including at meetings of
    the F1 SAC, the F1 Commission, and F1 Team Managers) that
    made clear the F1 teams’ preference to end races under green
    flag racing conditions...'

    Straight from the actual report.


    Nothing new. You must have brought this up a dozen times and the
    facts remain... the regulations were not changed... only not
    applied.

    The "F1 SAC" is the "Formula 1 Sporting Advisory Committee"

    Do you think that they (and the F1 Commission) reported to
    Masi...

    ...or did he report to them?

    Who is the Race Director's boss?

    Something you have been asked many times and always failed to
    respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, during
    the SC period, to not apply the regulations?

    I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"


    That's essentially a lie. You constantly pushed that.

    Nope. What you just said is a lie.


    "Masi did not make that call on his own; you can absolutely count on
    that."

    Which has nothing to do with time, Liar.


    "If there conclusions were only that Masi acted alone, why would they
    want to do that?"

    Which has even less to do with the issue of WHEN, Liar.


    The threads they are taken from expose you dishonesty.





    It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge cover up but
    only if it involves a conspiracy, to change the outcome of the
    race, that only you claim exists.

    It seems you're willing to ignore that there was clearly direction
    from above that led Masi to give special information to the teams
    prior to the start of the race.

    Cite.

    The fact that he gave special instructions to the teams before the
    race.


    So no cite, just deflection.

    What special instructions?

    Are you denying the multiple reports that Masi gave the teams special instructions prior to the Abu Dhabi GP?



    The only thing clarified above is that " the
    F1 teams’ preference to end races under green flag racing
    conditions"

    Any other inference is a fabrication.

    You dishonestly tried to imply otherwise.


    Why did you duck responding to this.

    Because I didn't feel like it, Liar.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From texas gate@21:1/5 to Alan on Tue Mar 22 11:20:05 2022
    On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 12:15:20 PM UTC-6, Alan wrote:

    Because I didn't feel like it, Liar.

    lol

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  • From texas gate@21:1/5 to Alan on Tue Mar 22 11:27:13 2022
    On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 12:16:27 PM UTC-6, Alan wrote:

    ...because you know I'll just bitch-slap you with the quotes.

    you forgot to say sorry, pussy

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Bigbird@21:1/5 to Alan on Tue Mar 22 18:54:32 2022
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 11:08 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 3:16 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Something you have been asked many times and always failed
    to respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi,
    during the SC period, to not apply the regulations?

    I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"


    2 examples

    "Masi did not make that call on his own; you can absolutely
    count on
    that."

    What does that have to do with WHEN the other influence was
    applied?


    Find the thread and re-read it.

    Nope. You quote it, Liar.


    There is no need. We both know you are lying. The above quote implies
    as much. It makes no sense in any other contest.


    You are either lying or pretending to have forgotten the context.

    Liar.


    Yet there is no other explanation other than that... so...



    "If there conclusions were only that Masi acted alone, why would
    they want to do that?

    Sorry, but same question.

    So are you now backpedaling and saying you believe he acted alone?

    Yes or no?


    Nope. He acted on the (earlier) instructions he'd received from his superiors.

    Instructions that are the reason that he gave unique instructions to
    the teams...

    ...BEFORE THE RACE...

    ...that any safety car period near the end of the race would be ended
    as quickly as possible.


    Any such instructions would be moot unless they included instructions permitting him to ignore the regulations.

    You know they didn't.

    Yes or no:

    Did Masi give those unique instructions prior to the race?

    What instructions precisely can you prove he was given by his superiors
    and who specifically are "those superiors"?

    I am not aware of any "unique instructions" given to Masi or to the
    teams.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Bigbird@21:1/5 to Alan on Tue Mar 22 18:42:36 2022
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 11:13 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 2:56 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-19 9:22 a.m., alister wrote:
    On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:29:34 -0500, Heron wrote:

    FIA releases Abu Dhabi report, says Masi made ‘human error’




    https://racer.com/2022/03/19/fia-releases-abu-dhabi-report-says-masi-
    made-human-error/

    I think the only person who has at any time disagreed
    with that is Alan, who i am sure will now claim this is
    a cover up & still claim Masi acting under direct
    instructions from above.



    '32. It was also considered that the decisions regarding
    the safety car at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely
    took into account previous discussions (including at
    meetings of the F1 SAC, the F1 Commission, and F1 Team
    Managers) that made clear the F1 teams’ preference to end
    races under green flag racing conditions...'

    Straight from the actual report.


    Nothing new. You must have brought this up a dozen times
    and the facts remain... the regulations were not changed...
    only not applied.

    The "F1 SAC" is the "Formula 1 Sporting Advisory
    Committee"

    Do you think that they (and the F1 Commission) reported to Masi...

    ...or did he report to them?

    Who is the Race Director's boss?

    Something you have been asked many times and always failed
    to respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi,
    during the SC period, to not apply the regulations?

    I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"


    That's essentially a lie. You constantly pushed that.

    Nope. What you just said is a lie.


    "Masi did not make that call on his own; you can absolutely count on
    that."

    Which has nothing to do with time, Liar.


    Stupid lie.


    "If there conclusions were only that Masi acted alone, why would
    they want to do that?"

    Which has even less to do with the issue of WHEN, Liar.


    Another stupid lie.


    The threads they are taken from expose you dishonesty.





    It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge cover
    up but only if it involves a conspiracy, to change the
    outcome of the race, that only you claim exists.

    It seems you're willing to ignore that there was clearly
    direction from above that led Masi to give special
    information to the teams prior to the start of the race.

    Cite.

    The fact that he gave special instructions to the teams before the
    race.


    So no cite, just deflection.

    What special instructions?

    Are you denying the multiple reports that Masi gave the teams special instructions prior to the Abu Dhabi GP?


    Cite any that you think support your position as you declared above
    that gave Masi permission to ignore the regulations.

    "there was clearly
    direction from above that led Masi to give special
    information to the teams prior to the start of the race"

    Third chance. Anyone might think you were being dishonest.



    The only thing clarified above is that " the
    F1 teams’ preference to end races under green flag racing
    conditions"

    Any other inference is a fabrication.

    You dishonestly tried to imply otherwise.


    Why did you duck responding to this.

    Because I didn't feel like it,

    Fair enough, since you have no defence that is to be expected.

    Liar.

    Yet you just admitted it was the truth.

    --
    Bozo bin
    Felicity
    George R
    Irving S
    Texasgate
    Enjoy!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Bigbird on Tue Mar 22 11:16:25 2022
    On 2022-03-22 11:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 3:27 a.m., Alan LeHun wrote:
    In article <t1bcnr$lre$3@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...
    Something you have been asked many times and always failed to
    respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, during
    the SC period, to not apply the regulations?

    I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"


    I thought that was what the claim was. Masi said no lapping of cars
    and then suddenly changed his mind and said six could lap.

    It wasn't.




    It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge cover up
    but only if it involves a conspiracy, to change the outcome of
    the race, that only you claim exists.

    It seems you're willing to ignore that there was clearly
    direction from above that led Masi to give special information to
    the teams prior to the start of the race.


    Masi, or more correctly, the race director, gives special
    information to the teams before every race. It's called a pre-race
    briefing or something.

    This was UNIQUE instructions regarding how the safety car would be
    used.


    Let's keep this simple.

    You are lying.

    I'm not.

    And you're "keeping it simple"...

    ...because you don't actually want to deny that those unique pre-race instructions were given...

    ...because you know I'll just bitch-slap you with the quotes.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Bigbird@21:1/5 to Alan on Tue Mar 22 18:55:09 2022
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 11:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 3:27 a.m., Alan LeHun wrote:
    In article <t1bcnr$lre$3@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...
    Something you have been asked many times and always failed
    to respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi,
    during the SC period, to not apply the regulations?

    I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"


    I thought that was what the claim was. Masi said no lapping of
    cars and then suddenly changed his mind and said six could lap.

    It wasn't.




    It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge cover up
    but only if it involves a conspiracy, to change the outcome
    of the race, that only you claim exists.

    It seems you're willing to ignore that there was clearly
    direction from above that led Masi to give special
    information to the teams prior to the start of the race.


    Masi, or more correctly, the race director, gives special
    information to the teams before every race. It's called a
    pre-race briefing or something.

    This was UNIQUE instructions regarding how the safety car would be
    used.


    Let's keep this simple.

    You are lying.

    I'm not.

    And you're "keeping it simple"...

    ...because you don't actually want to deny that those unique pre-race instructions were given...

    ...because you know I'll just bitch-slap you with the quotes.

    Quote away.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Bigbird on Tue Mar 22 12:38:57 2022
    On 2022-03-22 11:54 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 11:08 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 3:16 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Something you have been asked many times and always failed
    to respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi,
    during the SC period, to not apply the regulations?

    I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"


    2 examples

    "Masi did not make that call on his own; you can absolutely
    count on
    that."

    What does that have to do with WHEN the other influence was
    applied?


    Find the thread and re-read it.

    Nope. You quote it, Liar.


    There is no need. We both know you are lying. The above quote implies
    as much. It makes no sense in any other contest.

    Learn the difference between "infer" and "imply", Liar.



    You are either lying or pretending to have forgotten the context.

    Liar.


    Yet there is no other explanation other than that... so...

    Liar.




    "If there conclusions were only that Masi acted alone, why would
    they want to do that?

    Sorry, but same question.

    So are you now backpedaling and saying you believe he acted alone?

    Yes or no?


    Nope. He acted on the (earlier) instructions he'd received from his
    superiors.

    Instructions that are the reason that he gave unique instructions to
    the teams...

    ...BEFORE THE RACE...

    ...that any safety car period near the end of the race would be ended
    as quickly as possible.


    Any such instructions would be moot unless they included instructions permitting him to ignore the regulations.

    'It was also considered that the decisions regarding the safety car at
    the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into account previous
    discussions (including at meetings of the F1 SAC, the F1 Commission, and
    F1 Team Managers)'


    You know they didn't.

    Yes or no:

    Did Masi give those unique instructions prior to the race?

    What instructions precisely can you prove he was given by his superiors
    and who specifically are "those superiors"?

    I don't know.

    Now answer my question:

    Did Masi give the teams instructions about how the safety car would be
    employed towards the end of the race that were unique to that event?

    Yes or no.


    I am not aware of any "unique instructions" given to Masi or to the
    teams.

    It was widely reported, Liar. It's now buried under literally thousands
    of other links, but I reported it much earlier and you took no issue
    with its existence then.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Bigbird on Tue Mar 22 12:40:47 2022
    On 2022-03-22 11:55 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 11:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 3:27 a.m., Alan LeHun wrote:
    In article <t1bcnr$lre$3@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...
    Something you have been asked many times and always failed
    to respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi,
    during the SC period, to not apply the regulations?

    I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"


    I thought that was what the claim was. Masi said no lapping of
    cars and then suddenly changed his mind and said six could lap.

    It wasn't.




    It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge cover up
    but only if it involves a conspiracy, to change the outcome
    of the race, that only you claim exists.

    It seems you're willing to ignore that there was clearly
    direction from above that led Masi to give special
    information to the teams prior to the start of the race.


    Masi, or more correctly, the race director, gives special
    information to the teams before every race. It's called a
    pre-race briefing or something.

    This was UNIQUE instructions regarding how the safety car would be
    used.


    Let's keep this simple.

    You are lying.

    I'm not.

    And you're "keeping it simple"...

    ...because you don't actually want to deny that those unique pre-race
    instructions were given...

    ...because you know I'll just bitch-slap you with the quotes.

    Quote away.

    Sorry, but you need to take a definitive stand first.

    Yes or no:

    Prior to the race, did Masi instruct the teams that any safety car
    period near the end of the race would be ended as quickly as possible?

    Take a stand, you pussy.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Bigbird on Tue Mar 22 12:35:45 2022
    On 2022-03-22 11:42 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 11:13 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 2:56 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-19 9:22 a.m., alister wrote:
    On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:29:34 -0500, Heron wrote:

    FIA releases Abu Dhabi report, says Masi made ‘human
    error’




    https://racer.com/2022/03/19/fia-releases-abu-dhabi-report-says-masi-
    made-human-error/

    I think the only person who has at any time disagreed
    with that is Alan, who i am sure will now claim this is
    a cover up & still claim Masi acting under direct
    instructions from above.



    '32. It was also considered that the decisions regarding
    the safety car at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely
    took into account previous discussions (including at
    meetings of the F1 SAC, the F1 Commission, and F1 Team
    Managers) that made clear the F1 teams’ preference to end
    races under green flag racing conditions...'

    Straight from the actual report.


    Nothing new. You must have brought this up a dozen times
    and the facts remain... the regulations were not changed...
    only not applied.

    The "F1 SAC" is the "Formula 1 Sporting Advisory
    Committee"

    Do you think that they (and the F1 Commission) reported to
    Masi...

    ...or did he report to them?

    Who is the Race Director's boss?

    Something you have been asked many times and always failed
    to respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi,
    during the SC period, to not apply the regulations?

    I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"


    That's essentially a lie. You constantly pushed that.

    Nope. What you just said is a lie.


    "Masi did not make that call on his own; you can absolutely count on
    that."

    Which has nothing to do with time, Liar.


    Stupid lie.

    Learn the difference between "infer" and "imply", Liar.



    "If there conclusions were only that Masi acted alone, why would
    they want to do that?"

    Which has even less to do with the issue of WHEN, Liar.


    Another stupid lie.

    Liar.



    The threads they are taken from expose you dishonesty.





    It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge cover
    up but only if it involves a conspiracy, to change the
    outcome of the race, that only you claim exists.

    It seems you're willing to ignore that there was clearly
    direction from above that led Masi to give special
    information to the teams prior to the start of the race.

    Cite.

    The fact that he gave special instructions to the teams before the
    race.


    So no cite, just deflection.

    What special instructions?

    Are you denying the multiple reports that Masi gave the teams special
    instructions prior to the Abu Dhabi GP?


    Cite any that you think support your position as you declared above
    that gave Masi permission to ignore the regulations.

    "there was clearly
    direction from above that led Masi to give special
    information to the teams prior to the start of the race"

    Third chance. Anyone might think you were being dishonest.


    Yes: "prior to the start of the race"

    Straight from the report, Liar.

    'It was also considered that the decisions regarding the safety car at
    the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into account previous
    discussions (including at meetings of the F1 SAC, the F1 Commission, and
    F1 Team Managers)'





    The only thing clarified above is that " the
    F1 teams’ preference to end races under green flag racing
    conditions"

    Any other inference is a fabrication.

    You dishonestly tried to imply otherwise.


    Why did you duck responding to this.

    Because I didn't feel like it,

    Fair enough, since you have no defence that is to be expected.

    Liar.

    Yet you just admitted it was the truth.

    And that's clearly a lie.



    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From texas gate@21:1/5 to Alan on Tue Mar 22 16:28:26 2022
    On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 1:40:50 PM UTC-6, Alan wrote:

    Sorry, but you need to take a definitive stand first.

    sorry is for pussys
    you fucking pussy

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From texas gate@21:1/5 to Alan on Tue Mar 22 16:58:13 2022
    On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 1:40:50 PM UTC-6, Alan wrote:

    Take a stand, you pussy.

    you stupid cunt

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Bigbird@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Mar 23 13:39:10 2022
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 11:55 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 11:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 3:27 a.m., Alan LeHun wrote:
    In article <t1bcnr$lre$3@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com
    says...
    Something you have been asked many times and always
    failed to respond; who are the people that you claim
    told Masi, during the SC period, to not apply the
    regulations?

    I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC
    period"


    I thought that was what the claim was. Masi said no lapping
    of cars and then suddenly changed his mind and said six
    could lap.

    It wasn't.




    It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge
    cover up but only if it involves a conspiracy, to
    change the outcome of the race, that only you claim
    exists.

    It seems you're willing to ignore that there was clearly direction from above that led Masi to give special
    information to the teams prior to the start of the race.


    Masi, or more correctly, the race director, gives special information to the teams before every race. It's called a
    pre-race briefing or something.

    This was UNIQUE instructions regarding how the safety car
    would be used.


    Let's keep this simple.

    You are lying.

    I'm not.

    And you're "keeping it simple"...

    ...because you don't actually want to deny that those unique
    pre-race instructions were given...

    ...because you know I'll just bitch-slap you with the quotes.

    Quote away.

    Sorry, but you need to take a definitive stand first.


    So you lied yet again. You are unable to "slap" any quotes anywhere...

    ...as expected.

    This thread is simply a litany of your lies now.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Bigbird@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Mar 23 14:01:07 2022
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 11:54 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 11:08 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 3:16 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Something you have been asked many times and always
    failed to respond; who are the people that you claim
    told Masi, during the SC period, to not apply the
    regulations?

    I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC
    period"


    2 examples

    "Masi did not make that call on his own; you can absolutely
    count on
    that."

    What does that have to do with WHEN the other influence was
    applied?


    Find the thread and re-read it.

    Nope. You quote it, Liar.


    There is no need. We both know you are lying. The above quote
    implies as much. It makes no sense in any other contest.

    Learn the difference between "infer" and "imply", Liar.



    You are either lying or pretending to have forgotten the
    context.

    Liar.


    Yet there is no other explanation other than that... so...

    Liar.




    "If there conclusions were only that Masi acted alone, why
    would they want to do that?

    Sorry, but same question.

    So are you now backpedaling and saying you believe he acted
    alone?

    Yes or no?


    Nope. He acted on the (earlier) instructions he'd received from
    his superiors.

    Instructions that are the reason that he gave unique instructions
    to the teams...

    ...BEFORE THE RACE...

    ...that any safety car period near the end of the race would be
    ended as quickly as possible.


    Any such instructions would be moot unless they included
    instructions permitting him to ignore the regulations.

    'It was also considered that the decisions regarding the safety car
    at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into account previous discussions (including at meetings of the F1 SAC, the F1 Commission,
    and F1 Team Managers)'


    How is that a response?

    Seems you are trying to deflect because you have nothing.

    Let me make it simple for you you need to show that he received
    instructions from (preferably named) superiors giving him authorisation
    to ignore the safety car regulations...

    ...else it just looks like you are making things up/lying.


    You know they didn't.

    Yes or no:

    Did Masi give those unique instructions prior to the race?

    What instructions precisely can you prove he was given by his
    superiors and who specifically are "those superiors"?

    I don't know.

    So you just made it all up.


    Now answer my question:

    Did Masi give the teams instructions about how the safety car would
    be employed towards the end of the race that were unique to that
    event?

    Yes or no.


    It certainly doesn't look like it, as I have asked you to quote or cite
    such and you have repeatedly failed/prevaricated and lied.


    I am not aware of any "unique instructions" given to Masi or to the
    teams.

    It was widely reported, Liar. It's now buried under literally
    thousands of other links, but I reported it much earlier and you took
    no issue with its existence then.

    No, I am sure if they existed you would be able to google them without
    any trouble or further prevarication.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Bigbird@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Mar 23 14:09:34 2022
    Alan wrote:

    [snip]

    What special instructions?

    Are you denying the multiple reports that Masi gave the teams
    special instructions prior to the Abu Dhabi GP?


    Cite any that you think support your position as you declared above
    that gave Masi permission to ignore the regulations.

    "there was clearly
    direction from above that led Masi to give special
    information to the teams prior to the start of the race"

    Third chance. Anyone might think you were being dishonest.


    Yes: "prior to the start of the race"

    Straight from the report, Liar.

    'It was also considered that the decisions regarding the safety car
    at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into account previous discussions (including at meetings of the F1 SAC, the F1 Commission,
    and F1 Team Managers)'


    No mention of special instructions to the team there.
    Just the same old "desirable not to finish under the SC".
    No special instructions to the teams and certainly no special
    instruction to Masi regarding the regulations.

    So if that is all you were talking about you are guilty, yet again or misleading and misrepresentation.





    The only thing clarified above is that " the
    F1 teams’ preference to end races under green flag racing
    conditions"

    Any other inference is a fabrication.

    You dishonestly tried to imply otherwise.


    Why did you duck responding to this.

    Because I didn't feel like it,

    Fair enough, since you have no defence that is to be expected.

    Liar.

    Yet you just admitted it was the truth.

    And that's clearly a lie.


    It's the only sane inference.

    All the energy you have invested in promoting your lies and when you
    have a chance to clear yourself you claim "I didn't feel like it"; yup,
    that's an admission.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Bigbird on Wed Mar 23 09:12:19 2022
    On 2022-03-23 6:39 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 11:55 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 11:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 3:27 a.m., Alan LeHun wrote:
    In article <t1bcnr$lre$3@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com
    says...
    Something you have been asked many times and always
    failed to respond; who are the people that you claim
    told Masi, during the SC period, to not apply the
    regulations?

    I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC
    period"


    I thought that was what the claim was. Masi said no lapping
    of cars and then suddenly changed his mind and said six
    could lap.

    It wasn't.




    It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge
    cover up but only if it involves a conspiracy, to
    change the outcome of the race, that only you claim
    exists.

    It seems you're willing to ignore that there was clearly
    direction from above that led Masi to give special
    information to the teams prior to the start of the race.


    Masi, or more correctly, the race director, gives special
    information to the teams before every race. It's called a
    pre-race briefing or something.

    This was UNIQUE instructions regarding how the safety car
    would be used.


    Let's keep this simple.

    You are lying.

    I'm not.

    And you're "keeping it simple"...

    ...because you don't actually want to deny that those unique
    pre-race instructions were given...

    ...because you know I'll just bitch-slap you with the quotes.

    Quote away.

    Sorry, but you need to take a definitive stand first.


    So you lied yet again. You are unable to "slap" any quotes anywhere...

    ...as expected.

    This thread is simply a litany of your lies now.

    So you won't take a stand.

    Got it.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Bigbird on Wed Mar 23 09:13:30 2022
    On 2022-03-23 7:01 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 11:54 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 11:08 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 3:16 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Something you have been asked many times and always
    failed to respond; who are the people that you claim
    told Masi, during the SC period, to not apply the
    regulations?

    I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC
    period"


    2 examples

    "Masi did not make that call on his own; you can absolutely
    count on
    that."

    What does that have to do with WHEN the other influence was
    applied?


    Find the thread and re-read it.

    Nope. You quote it, Liar.


    There is no need. We both know you are lying. The above quote
    implies as much. It makes no sense in any other contest.

    Learn the difference between "infer" and "imply", Liar.



    You are either lying or pretending to have forgotten the
    context.

    Liar.


    Yet there is no other explanation other than that... so...

    Liar.




    "If there conclusions were only that Masi acted alone, why
    would they want to do that?

    Sorry, but same question.

    So are you now backpedaling and saying you believe he acted
    alone?

    Yes or no?


    Nope. He acted on the (earlier) instructions he'd received from
    his superiors.

    Instructions that are the reason that he gave unique instructions
    to the teams...

    ...BEFORE THE RACE...

    ...that any safety car period near the end of the race would be
    ended as quickly as possible.


    Any such instructions would be moot unless they included
    instructions permitting him to ignore the regulations.

    'It was also considered that the decisions regarding the safety car
    at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into account previous
    discussions (including at meetings of the F1 SAC, the F1 Commission,
    and F1 Team Managers)'


    How is that a response?

    Seems you are trying to deflect because you have nothing.

    Let me make it simple for you you need to show that he received
    instructions from (preferably named) superiors giving him authorisation
    to ignore the safety car regulations...

    ...else it just looks like you are making things up/lying.


    You know they didn't.

    Yes or no:

    Did Masi give those unique instructions prior to the race?

    What instructions precisely can you prove he was given by his
    superiors and who specifically are "those superiors"?

    I don't know.

    So you just made it all up.


    Now answer my question:

    Did Masi give the teams instructions about how the safety car would
    be employed towards the end of the race that were unique to that
    event?

    Yes or no.


    It certainly doesn't look like it, as I have asked you to quote or cite
    such and you have repeatedly failed/prevaricated and lied.

    Still won't take a stand.

    Got it.



    I am not aware of any "unique instructions" given to Masi or to the
    teams.

    It was widely reported, Liar. It's now buried under literally
    thousands of other links, but I reported it much earlier and you took
    no issue with its existence then.

    No, I am sure if they existed you would be able to google them without
    any trouble or further prevarication.

    Sorry, but when an event gets as much coverage as this does, it makes
    finding a particular link from earlier very difficult.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Bigbird on Wed Mar 23 09:14:11 2022
    On 2022-03-23 7:09 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    [snip]

    What special instructions?

    Are you denying the multiple reports that Masi gave the teams
    special instructions prior to the Abu Dhabi GP?


    Cite any that you think support your position as you declared above
    that gave Masi permission to ignore the regulations.

    "there was clearly
    direction from above that led Masi to give special
    information to the teams prior to the start of the race"

    Third chance. Anyone might think you were being dishonest.


    Yes: "prior to the start of the race"

    Straight from the report, Liar.

    'It was also considered that the decisions regarding the safety car
    at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into account previous
    discussions (including at meetings of the F1 SAC, the F1 Commission,
    and F1 Team Managers)'


    No mention of special instructions to the team there.
    Just the same old "desirable not to finish under the SC".
    No special instructions to the teams and certainly no special
    instruction to Masi regarding the regulations.

    So if that is all you were talking about you are guilty, yet again or misleading and misrepresentation.

    There were indeed special instructions given to the teams for that race,
    Liar.

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  • From texas gate@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Mar 23 09:33:11 2022
    On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 10:13:32 AM UTC-6, Alan wrote:

    Sorry, but when an event gets as much coverage as this does, it makes
    finding a particular link from earlier very difficult.

    sorry is for pussys
    you fucking pussy

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  • From texas gate@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Mar 23 09:32:09 2022
    On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 10:13:32 AM UTC-6, Alan wrote:

    Sorry, but when an event gets as much coverage as this does, it makes
    finding a particular link from earlier very difficult.

    lol

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  • From texas gate@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Mar 23 09:41:43 2022
    On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 10:12:21 AM UTC-6, Alan wrote:

    Got it.

    you aint got fuck all
    except a girly street car

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  • From Martin Harran@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Mar 23 18:44:41 2022
    On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 11:13:18 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 11:08 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 3:16 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Something you have been asked many times and always failed to
    respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, during
    the SC period, to not apply the regulations?

    I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"


    2 examples

    "Masi did not make that call on his own; you can absolutely count on
    that."

    What does that have to do with WHEN the other influence was applied?


    Find the thread and re-read it.

    Nope. You quote it, Liar.


    You are either lying or pretending to have forgotten the context.

    Liar.



    "If there conclusions were only that Masi acted alone, why would
    they want to do that?

    Sorry, but same question.

    So are you now backpedaling and saying you believe he acted alone?

    Yes or no?


    Nope. He acted on the (earlier) instructions he'd received from his >superiors.

    Instructions that are the reason that he gave unique instructions to the >teams...

    ...BEFORE THE RACE...

    ...that any safety car period near the end of the race would be ended as >quickly as possible.

    Are you now claiming that safety car periods aren't usually ended as
    quickly as possible?

    Sheeesh.


    Yes or no:

    Did Masi give those unique instructions prior to the race?

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  • From Martin Harran@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Mar 23 18:41:10 2022
    On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 10:34:53 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 10:31 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 09:56:47 -0000 (UTC), "Bigbird"
    <bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-19 9:22 a.m., alister wrote:
    On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:29:34 -0500, Heron wrote:

    FIA releases Abu Dhabi report, says Masi made human error


    https://racer.com/2022/03/19/fia-releases-abu-dhabi-report-says-masi- >>>>>>> made-human-error/

    I think the only person who has at any time disagreed with that
    is Alan, who i am sure will now claim this is a cover up &
    still claim Masi acting under direct instructions from above.



    '32. It was also considered that the decisions regarding the
    safety car at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into
    account previous discussions (including at meetings of the F1
    SAC, the F1 Commission, and F1 Team Managers) that made clear the
    F1 teams preference to end races under green flag racing
    conditions...'

    Straight from the actual report.


    Nothing new. You must have brought this up a dozen times and the
    facts remain... the regulations were not changed... only not
    applied.

    The "F1 SAC" is the "Formula 1 Sporting Advisory Committee"

    Do you think that they (and the F1 Commission) reported to Masi... >>>>>>
    ...or did he report to them?

    Who is the Race Director's boss?

    Something you have been asked many times and always failed to
    respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, during the SC
    period, to not apply the regulations?

    I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"


    That's essentially a lie. You constantly pushed that.


    It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge cover up but
    only if it involves a conspiracy, to change the outcome of the
    race, that only you claim exists.

    It seems you're willing to ignore that there was clearly direction
    from above that led Masi to give special information to the teams
    prior to the start of the race.

    Cite.

    The only thing clarified above is that " the
    F1 teams preference to end races under green flag racing
    conditions"

    Which was just about everybody's preference. Nothing at all in it
    about Masi being free to ignore existing rules and practices.

    Except the fact that MASI brought the teams an extra message about how
    the safety car would be handled late in the race indicates that he had >received instructions on the subject from someone above him.

    Pity you can't give us any details of what that message was. Pity that
    you can't tell us who that "someone" was. Pity you can't tell us why
    Horner didn't use that message to justify Max's victory.

    Keep digging, Alan, you'll soon be at the Antipodes.

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  • From Martin Harran@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Mar 23 18:46:59 2022
    On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 09:18:25 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 3:27 a.m., Alan LeHun wrote:
    In article <t1bcnr$lre$3@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...
    Something you have been asked many times and always failed to respond; >>>> who are the people that you claim told Masi, during the SC period, to
    not apply the regulations?

    I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"


    I thought that was what the claim was. Masi said no lapping of cars and
    then suddenly changed his mind and said six could lap.

    It wasn't.




    It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge cover up but only
    if it involves a conspiracy, to change the outcome of the race, that
    only you claim exists.

    It seems you're willing to ignore that there was clearly direction from
    above that led Masi to give special information to the teams prior to
    the start of the race.


    Masi, or more correctly, the race director, gives special information to
    the teams before every race. It's called a pre-race briefing or
    something.

    This was UNIQUE instructions regarding how the safety car would be used.

    So what was UNIQUE about them?

    Oh, wait, you already told us, it would be that any safety car period
    would be ended as quickly as possible. Big deal.



    What I don't understand is why you say 'clearly' when you appear to be
    the only person on the planet who can see 'it'?

    Occam's razor applys. We know there was a push prior by all involved to
    see races finish under green flags /where possible/. We know that Masi
    said no lapped cars. We know Horner pressured Masi using above pretext.
    We know Masi changed his mind.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Martin Harran on Wed Mar 23 16:10:08 2022
    On 2022-03-23 11:46 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 09:18:25 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 3:27 a.m., Alan LeHun wrote:
    In article <t1bcnr$lre$3@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...
    Something you have been asked many times and always failed to respond; >>>>> who are the people that you claim told Masi, during the SC period, to >>>>> not apply the regulations?

    I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"


    I thought that was what the claim was. Masi said no lapping of cars and
    then suddenly changed his mind and said six could lap.

    It wasn't.




    It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge cover up but only >>>>> if it involves a conspiracy, to change the outcome of the race, that >>>>> only you claim exists.

    It seems you're willing to ignore that there was clearly direction from >>>> above that led Masi to give special information to the teams prior to
    the start of the race.


    Masi, or more correctly, the race director, gives special information to >>> the teams before every race. It's called a pre-race briefing or
    something.

    This was UNIQUE instructions regarding how the safety car would be used.

    So what was UNIQUE about them?

    Oh, wait, you already told us, it would be that any safety car period
    would be ended as quickly as possible. Big deal.

    Yes. A very big deal, because the fact that that unique discussion took
    place puts Masi's actions in a larger context.

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  • From geoff@21:1/5 to Alan on Thu Mar 24 13:07:01 2022
    On 24/03/2022 12:46 pm, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-03-23 11:44 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 11:13:18 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 11:08 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 3:16 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Something you have been asked many times and always failed to
    respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, during
    the SC period, to not apply the regulations?

    I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"


    2 examples

    "Masi did not make that call on his own; you can absolutely count on >>>>>>    that."

    What does that have to do with WHEN the other influence was applied? >>>>>

    Find the thread and re-read it.

    Nope. You quote it, Liar.


    You are either lying or pretending to have forgotten the context.

    Liar.



    "If there conclusions were only that Masi acted alone, why would
    they want to do that?

    Sorry, but same question.

    So are you now backpedaling and saying you believe he acted alone?

    Yes or no?


    Nope. He acted on the (earlier) instructions he'd received from his
    superiors.

    Instructions that are the reason that he gave unique instructions to the >>> teams...

    ...BEFORE THE RACE...

    ...that any safety car period near the end of the race would be ended as >>> quickly as possible.

    Are you now claiming that safety car periods aren't usually ended as
    quickly as possible?

    I'm claiming that there were specific, unique instructions to the teams
    about this particular race.



    And those unique instructions included that the rules were going to be
    ignored ?

    OK, to play your silly game - prove it.

    geoff

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Martin Harran on Wed Mar 23 16:46:56 2022
    On 2022-03-23 11:44 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 11:13:18 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 11:08 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 3:16 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Something you have been asked many times and always failed to
    respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, during
    the SC period, to not apply the regulations?

    I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"


    2 examples

    "Masi did not make that call on his own; you can absolutely count on >>>>> that."

    What does that have to do with WHEN the other influence was applied?


    Find the thread and re-read it.

    Nope. You quote it, Liar.


    You are either lying or pretending to have forgotten the context.

    Liar.



    "If there conclusions were only that Masi acted alone, why would
    they want to do that?

    Sorry, but same question.

    So are you now backpedaling and saying you believe he acted alone?

    Yes or no?


    Nope. He acted on the (earlier) instructions he'd received from his
    superiors.

    Instructions that are the reason that he gave unique instructions to the
    teams...

    ...BEFORE THE RACE...

    ...that any safety car period near the end of the race would be ended as
    quickly as possible.

    Are you now claiming that safety car periods aren't usually ended as
    quickly as possible?

    I'm claiming that there were specific, unique instructions to the teams
    about this particular race.


    Sheeesh.


    Yes or no:

    Did Masi give those unique instructions prior to the race?

    Well?

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  • From texas gate@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Mar 23 17:36:29 2022
    On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 5:46:17 PM UTC-6, Alan wrote:

    ...if you have the balls for it.

    this from the group pussy

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to geoff on Wed Mar 23 17:51:22 2022
    On 2022-03-23 5:07 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 24/03/2022 12:46 pm, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-03-23 11:44 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 11:13:18 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 11:08 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 3:16 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Something you have been asked many times and always failed to >>>>>>>>> respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, during >>>>>>>>> the SC period, to not apply the regulations?

    I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"


    2 examples

    "Masi did not make that call on his own; you can absolutely count on >>>>>>>    that."

    What does that have to do with WHEN the other influence was applied? >>>>>>

    Find the thread and re-read it.

    Nope. You quote it, Liar.


    You are either lying or pretending to have forgotten the context.

    Liar.



    "If there conclusions were only that Masi acted alone, why would >>>>>>> they want to do that?

    Sorry, but same question.

    So are you now backpedaling and saying you believe he acted alone?

    Yes or no?


    Nope. He acted on the (earlier) instructions he'd received from his
    superiors.

    Instructions that are the reason that he gave unique instructions to
    the
    teams...

    ...BEFORE THE RACE...

    ...that any safety car period near the end of the race would be
    ended as
    quickly as possible.

    Are you now claiming that safety car periods aren't usually ended as
    quickly as possible?

    I'm claiming that there were specific, unique instructions to the
    teams about this particular race.



    And those unique instructions included that the rules were going to be ignored ?

    Are you agree that there were unique instructions specifically regarding
    the use of the safety car?

    Yes or no.


    OK, to play your silly game - prove it.
    If you want to play the game, you have to pick a side.

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  • From texas gate@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Mar 23 17:54:46 2022
    On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 6:51:25 PM UTC-6, Alan wrote:

    If you want to play the game, you have to pick a side.

    fuck you cunt hole

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  • From texas gate@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Mar 23 18:05:34 2022
    On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 6:51:25 PM UTC-6, Alan wrote:

    If you want to play the game, you have to pick a side.

    you feminine fuck

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  • From Alan LeHun@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 24 10:02:40 2022
    In article <t1gbg7$orc$1@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...
    Do you deny that prior to the race, Michael Masi gave special instructions?ones not given at prior races?regarding the use of the
    safety car near the end of the race?

    Yes or no.



    Yes. Unless you have evidence of what was said (or not said) at prior
    races.

    The meeting (it now appears there were several) where agreement or
    expression of desire by the teams, for races (plural) to finish under
    green flag conditions was not a flash in the pan that occurred just
    before that final race.

    And if it was mentioned in briefings before the final race, I see no
    reason why it was not mentioned at prior races.

    --
    Alan LeHun

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  • From Bigbird@21:1/5 to Alan on Thu Mar 24 10:34:03 2022
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-23 7:09 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    [snip]

    What special instructions?

    Are you denying the multiple reports that Masi gave the teams
    special instructions prior to the Abu Dhabi GP?


    Cite any that you think support your position as you declared
    above that gave Masi permission to ignore the regulations.

    "there was clearly
    direction from above that led Masi to give special
    information to the teams prior to the start of the race"

    Third chance. Anyone might think you were being dishonest.


    Yes: "prior to the start of the race"

    Straight from the report, Liar.

    'It was also considered that the decisions regarding the safety
    car at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into account
    previous discussions (including at meetings of the F1 SAC, the F1 Commission, and F1 Team Managers)'


    No mention of special instructions to the team there.
    Just the same old "desirable not to finish under the SC".
    No special instructions to the teams and certainly no special
    instruction to Masi regarding the regulations.

    So if that is all you were talking about you are guilty, yet again
    or misleading and misrepresentation.

    There were indeed special instructions given to the teams for that
    race, Liar.

    Well if liarboy says so who could possibly doubt... /s

    I think I'll wait for you to actually show an iota of proof that you
    are not just that... a liarboy.

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  • From Bigbird@21:1/5 to Alan on Thu Mar 24 10:48:16 2022
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-23 6:39 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 11:55 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 11:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 3:27 a.m., Alan LeHun wrote:
    In article <t1bcnr$lre$3@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...
    Something you have been asked many times and always
    failed to respond; who are the people that you claim
    told Masi, during the SC period, to not apply the regulations?

    I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC
    period"


    I thought that was what the claim was. Masi said no
    lapping of cars and then suddenly changed his mind and
    said six could lap.

    It wasn't.




    It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge
    cover up but only if it involves a conspiracy, to
    change the outcome of the race, that only you claim
    exists.

    It seems you're willing to ignore that there was
    clearly direction from above that led Masi to give
    special information to the teams prior to the start
    of the race.


    Masi, or more correctly, the race director, gives
    special information to the teams before every race.
    It's called a pre-race briefing or something.

    This was UNIQUE instructions regarding how the safety car
    would be used.


    Let's keep this simple.

    You are lying.

    I'm not.

    And you're "keeping it simple"...

    ...because you don't actually want to deny that those unique
    pre-race instructions were given...

    ...because you know I'll just bitch-slap you with the quotes.

    Quote away.

    Sorry, but you need to take a definitive stand first.


    So you lied yet again. You are unable to "slap" any quotes
    anywhere...

    ...as expected.

    This thread is simply a litany of your lies now.

    So you won't take a stand.


    Another lie, LIARBOY...

    No quotes again, LIARBOY.

    This is no longer about F1 this is just verification that you are a pathological liar.

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  • From Bigbird@21:1/5 to Alan on Thu Mar 24 10:42:56 2022
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-23 7:01 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 11:54 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 11:08 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 3:16 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Something you have been asked many times and always
    failed to respond; who are the people that you claim
    told Masi, during the SC period, to not apply the regulations?

    I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC
    period"


    2 examples

    "Masi did not make that call on his own; you can
    absolutely count on
    that."

    What does that have to do with WHEN the other influence
    was applied?


    Find the thread and re-read it.

    Nope. You quote it, Liar.


    There is no need. We both know you are lying. The above quote
    implies as much. It makes no sense in any other contest.

    Learn the difference between "infer" and "imply", Liar.



    You are either lying or pretending to have forgotten the
    context.

    Liar.


    Yet there is no other explanation other than that... so...

    Liar.




    "If there conclusions were only that Masi acted alone,
    why would they want to do that?

    Sorry, but same question.

    So are you now backpedaling and saying you believe he acted
    alone?

    Yes or no?


    Nope. He acted on the (earlier) instructions he'd received
    from his superiors.

    Instructions that are the reason that he gave unique
    instructions to the teams...

    ...BEFORE THE RACE...

    ...that any safety car period near the end of the race would
    be ended as quickly as possible.


    Any such instructions would be moot unless they included
    instructions permitting him to ignore the regulations.

    'It was also considered that the decisions regarding the safety
    car at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into account
    previous discussions (including at meetings of the F1 SAC, the F1 Commission, and F1 Team Managers)'


    How is that a response?

    Seems you are trying to deflect because you have nothing.

    Let me make it simple for you you need to show that he received instructions from (preferably named) superiors giving him
    authorisation to ignore the safety car regulations...

    ...else it just looks like you are making things up/lying.


    You know they didn't.

    Yes or no:

    Did Masi give those unique instructions prior to the race?

    What instructions precisely can you prove he was given by his
    superiors and who specifically are "those superiors"?

    I don't know.

    So you just made it all up.


    Now answer my question:

    Did Masi give the teams instructions about how the safety car
    would be employed towards the end of the race that were unique to
    that event?

    Yes or no.


    It certainly doesn't look like it, as I have asked you to quote or
    cite such and you have repeatedly failed/prevaricated and lied.

    Still won't take a stand.


    Yet more prevarication. It's clear why.

    How is calling you out as a liarboy, who has repeatedly lied, attempted
    to mislead and continually misrepresented not taking a stand.

    Prove you are not a liarboy, Alan.

    FFS even if you weren't just a liarboy you certainly have proven
    yourself a stupid cunt.

    Got it.



    I am not aware of any "unique instructions" given to Masi or to
    the teams.

    It was widely reported, Liar. It's now buried under literally
    thousands of other links, but I reported it much earlier and you
    took no issue with its existence then.

    No, I am sure if they existed you would be able to google them
    without any trouble or further prevarication.

    Sorry, but when an event gets as much coverage as this does, it makes
    finding a particular link from earlier very difficult.

    Sure. The one thing that could refute the claim you are a LIARBOY...

    ...what would be the most important and controversial documents
    relating to the incident...

    ...something that only exists in your imagination...

    ...of course you can't find a mention of it anywhere.

    ...

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  • From Martin Harran@21:1/5 to Alan on Thu Mar 24 12:03:16 2022
    On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 16:46:15 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2022-03-23 11:41 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 10:34:53 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 10:31 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 09:56:47 -0000 (UTC), "Bigbird"
    <bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-19 9:22 a.m., alister wrote:
    On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:29:34 -0500, Heron wrote:

    FIA releases Abu Dhabi report, says Masi made human error >>>>>>>>>>

    https://racer.com/2022/03/19/fia-releases-abu-dhabi-report-says-masi- >>>>>>>>> made-human-error/

    I think the only person who has at any time disagreed with that >>>>>>>>> is Alan, who i am sure will now claim this is a cover up &
    still claim Masi acting under direct instructions from above. >>>>>>>>>


    '32. It was also considered that the decisions regarding the
    safety car at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into >>>>>>>> account previous discussions (including at meetings of the F1
    SAC, the F1 Commission, and F1 Team Managers) that made clear the >>>>>>>> F1 teams preference to end races under green flag racing
    conditions...'

    Straight from the actual report.


    Nothing new. You must have brought this up a dozen times and the >>>>>>> facts remain... the regulations were not changed... only not
    applied.

    The "F1 SAC" is the "Formula 1 Sporting Advisory Committee"

    Do you think that they (and the F1 Commission) reported to Masi... >>>>>>>>
    ...or did he report to them?

    Who is the Race Director's boss?

    Something you have been asked many times and always failed to
    respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, during the SC >>>>>>> period, to not apply the regulations?

    I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"


    That's essentially a lie. You constantly pushed that.


    It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge cover up but >>>>>>> only if it involves a conspiracy, to change the outcome of the
    race, that only you claim exists.

    It seems you're willing to ignore that there was clearly direction >>>>>> from above that led Masi to give special information to the teams
    prior to the start of the race.

    Cite.

    The only thing clarified above is that " the
    F1 teams preference to end races under green flag racing
    conditions"

    Which was just about everybody's preference. Nothing at all in it
    about Masi being free to ignore existing rules and practices.

    Except the fact that MASI brought the teams an extra message about how
    the safety car would be handled late in the race indicates that he had
    received instructions on the subject from someone above him.

    Pity you can't give us any details of what that message was. Pity that
    you can't tell us who that "someone" was. Pity you can't tell us why
    Horner didn't use that message to justify Max's victory.

    The gist of it was posted in this group ages ago.

    Do you deny that prior to the race, Michael Masi gave special >instructionsones not given at prior racesregarding the use of the
    safety car near the end of the race?

    Yes or no.

    I don't know of any such instructions. *You* are the only one claiming
    there were such instructions, it's up to you to give the evidence to
    support your claim - it's well beyond time that you "put up or shut
    up."



    Keep digging, Alan, you'll soon be at the Antipodes.

    Start by answering that question...

    ...if you have the balls for it.

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  • From Martin Harran@21:1/5 to Alan on Thu Mar 24 12:10:44 2022
    On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 16:46:56 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2022-03-23 11:44 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 11:13:18 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 11:08 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 3:16 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Something you have been asked many times and always failed to
    respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, during
    the SC period, to not apply the regulations?

    I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"


    2 examples

    "Masi did not make that call on his own; you can absolutely count on >>>>>> that."

    What does that have to do with WHEN the other influence was applied? >>>>>

    Find the thread and re-read it.

    Nope. You quote it, Liar.


    You are either lying or pretending to have forgotten the context.

    Liar.



    "If there conclusions were only that Masi acted alone, why would
    they want to do that?

    Sorry, but same question.

    So are you now backpedaling and saying you believe he acted alone?

    Yes or no?


    Nope. He acted on the (earlier) instructions he'd received from his
    superiors.

    Instructions that are the reason that he gave unique instructions to the >>> teams...

    ...BEFORE THE RACE...

    ...that any safety car period near the end of the race would be ended as >>> quickly as possible.

    Are you now claiming that safety car periods aren't usually ended as
    quickly as possible?

    I'm claiming that there were specific, unique instructions to the teams
    about this particular race.

    That is NOT what the report said - it said "made clear the F1 teams'
    preference to end races under green flag racing conditions". Stating
    the F1 teams' preference is not a *specific instruction* to a RD to
    simply ignore current rules and practice as to how the safety car is
    managed.





    Sheeesh.


    Yes or no:

    Did Masi give those unique instructions prior to the race?

    Well?

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  • From Martin Harran@21:1/5 to Alan on Thu Mar 24 12:04:46 2022
    On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 16:46:56 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2022-03-23 11:44 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 11:13:18 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 11:08 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 3:16 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Something you have been asked many times and always failed to
    respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, during
    the SC period, to not apply the regulations?

    I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"


    2 examples

    "Masi did not make that call on his own; you can absolutely count on >>>>>> that."

    What does that have to do with WHEN the other influence was applied? >>>>>

    Find the thread and re-read it.

    Nope. You quote it, Liar.


    You are either lying or pretending to have forgotten the context.

    Liar.



    "If there conclusions were only that Masi acted alone, why would
    they want to do that?

    Sorry, but same question.

    So are you now backpedaling and saying you believe he acted alone?

    Yes or no?


    Nope. He acted on the (earlier) instructions he'd received from his
    superiors.

    Instructions that are the reason that he gave unique instructions to the >>> teams...

    ...BEFORE THE RACE...

    ...that any safety car period near the end of the race would be ended as >>> quickly as possible.

    Are you now claiming that safety car periods aren't usually ended as
    quickly as possible?

    I'm claiming that there were specific, unique instructions to the teams
    about this particular race.


    Sheeesh.


    Yes or no:

    Did Masi give those unique instructions prior to the race?

    Well?

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  • From Martin Harran@21:1/5 to Alan on Thu Mar 24 12:16:49 2022
    On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 16:10:08 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2022-03-23 11:46 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 09:18:25 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 3:27 a.m., Alan LeHun wrote:
    In article <t1bcnr$lre$3@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...
    Something you have been asked many times and always failed to respond; >>>>>> who are the people that you claim told Masi, during the SC period, to >>>>>> not apply the regulations?

    I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"


    I thought that was what the claim was. Masi said no lapping of cars and >>>> then suddenly changed his mind and said six could lap.

    It wasn't.




    It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge cover up but only >>>>>> if it involves a conspiracy, to change the outcome of the race, that >>>>>> only you claim exists.

    It seems you're willing to ignore that there was clearly direction from >>>>> above that led Masi to give special information to the teams prior to >>>>> the start of the race.


    Masi, or more correctly, the race director, gives special information to >>>> the teams before every race. It's called a pre-race briefing or
    something.

    This was UNIQUE instructions regarding how the safety car would be used.

    So what was UNIQUE about them?

    Oh, wait, you already told us, it would be that any safety car period
    would be ended as quickly as possible. Big deal.

    Yes. A very big deal, because the fact that that unique discussion

    What makes it unique? Do you seriously think that trying to end a SC
    as quickly as possible was never discussed in previous briefings?.

    took
    place puts Masi's actions in a larger context.

    It doesn't change the fact that Masi, under pressure from team
    managers and Horner in particular, made a very bad decision. But*he*
    made that decision, not anyone else and he was not under any direct
    instruction *from above* to do what he did.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Martin Harran on Thu Mar 24 10:35:48 2022
    On 2022-03-24 5:03 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
    On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 16:46:15 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2022-03-23 11:41 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 10:34:53 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 10:31 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 09:56:47 -0000 (UTC), "Bigbird"
    <bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-19 9:22 a.m., alister wrote:
    On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:29:34 -0500, Heron wrote:

    FIA releases Abu Dhabi report, says Masi made ‘human error’ >>>>>>>>>>>

    https://racer.com/2022/03/19/fia-releases-abu-dhabi-report-says-masi- >>>>>>>>>> made-human-error/

    I think the only person who has at any time disagreed with that >>>>>>>>>> is Alan, who i am sure will now claim this is a cover up & >>>>>>>>>> still claim Masi acting under direct instructions from above. >>>>>>>>>>


    '32. It was also considered that the decisions regarding the >>>>>>>>> safety car at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into >>>>>>>>> account previous discussions (including at meetings of the F1 >>>>>>>>> SAC, the F1 Commission, and F1 Team Managers) that made clear the >>>>>>>>> F1 teams’ preference to end races under green flag racing
    conditions...'

    Straight from the actual report.


    Nothing new. You must have brought this up a dozen times and the >>>>>>>> facts remain... the regulations were not changed... only not
    applied.

    The "F1 SAC" is the "Formula 1 Sporting Advisory Committee"

    Do you think that they (and the F1 Commission) reported to Masi... >>>>>>>>>
    ...or did he report to them?

    Who is the Race Director's boss?

    Something you have been asked many times and always failed to
    respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, during the SC >>>>>>>> period, to not apply the regulations?

    I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"


    That's essentially a lie. You constantly pushed that.


    It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge cover up but >>>>>>>> only if it involves a conspiracy, to change the outcome of the >>>>>>>> race, that only you claim exists.

    It seems you're willing to ignore that there was clearly direction >>>>>>> from above that led Masi to give special information to the teams >>>>>>> prior to the start of the race.

    Cite.

    The only thing clarified above is that " the
    F1 teams’ preference to end races under green flag racing
    conditions"

    Which was just about everybody's preference. Nothing at all in it
    about Masi being free to ignore existing rules and practices.

    Except the fact that MASI brought the teams an extra message about how >>>> the safety car would be handled late in the race indicates that he had >>>> received instructions on the subject from someone above him.

    Pity you can't give us any details of what that message was. Pity that
    you can't tell us who that "someone" was. Pity you can't tell us why
    Horner didn't use that message to justify Max's victory.

    The gist of it was posted in this group ages ago.

    Do you deny that prior to the race, Michael Masi gave special
    instructions—ones not given at prior races–regarding the use of the
    safety car near the end of the race?

    Yes or no.

    I don't know of any such instructions. *You* are the only one claiming
    there were such instructions, it's up to you to give the evidence to
    support your claim - it's well beyond time that you "put up or shut
    up."

    Is that a "yes"... ...or a "no"?

    Why is it none of you will take a stand?

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Martin Harran on Thu Mar 24 10:39:14 2022
    On 2022-03-24 5:10 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
    On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 16:46:56 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2022-03-23 11:44 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 11:13:18 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 11:08 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 3:16 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Something you have been asked many times and always failed to >>>>>>>>> respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, during >>>>>>>>> the SC period, to not apply the regulations?

    I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"


    2 examples

    "Masi did not make that call on his own; you can absolutely count on >>>>>>> that."

    What does that have to do with WHEN the other influence was applied? >>>>>>

    Find the thread and re-read it.

    Nope. You quote it, Liar.


    You are either lying or pretending to have forgotten the context.

    Liar.



    "If there conclusions were only that Masi acted alone, why would >>>>>>> they want to do that?

    Sorry, but same question.

    So are you now backpedaling and saying you believe he acted alone?

    Yes or no?


    Nope. He acted on the (earlier) instructions he'd received from his
    superiors.

    Instructions that are the reason that he gave unique instructions to the >>>> teams...

    ...BEFORE THE RACE...

    ...that any safety car period near the end of the race would be ended as >>>> quickly as possible.

    Are you now claiming that safety car periods aren't usually ended as
    quickly as possible?

    I'm claiming that there were specific, unique instructions to the teams
    about this particular race.

    That is NOT what the report said - it said "made clear the F1 teams' preference to end races under green flag racing conditions". Stating
    the F1 teams' preference is not a *specific instruction* to a RD to
    simply ignore current rules and practice as to how the safety car is
    managed.

    That is either a disingenuous lie or you're just ignorant.

    'It was also considered that the decisions regarding the safety car at
    the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into account previous
    discussions (including at meetings of the F1 SAC, the F1 Commission, and
    F1 Team Managers) that made clear the F1 teams’ preference to end races
    under green flag racing conditions, rather than behind a safety car,
    when safe to do so.'

    That's the full sentence. It clearly talks about the involvement of
    those who were Masi's superiors in the FIA.

    'The F1 drivers’ consultation'

    THAT is what took place prior to the race and after those "previous discussions".

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Bigbird on Thu Mar 24 10:57:00 2022
    On 2022-03-24 3:34 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-23 7:09 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    [snip]

    What special instructions?

    Are you denying the multiple reports that Masi gave the teams
    special instructions prior to the Abu Dhabi GP?


    Cite any that you think support your position as you declared
    above that gave Masi permission to ignore the regulations.

    "there was clearly
    direction from above that led Masi to give special
    information to the teams prior to the start of the race"

    Third chance. Anyone might think you were being dishonest.


    Yes: "prior to the start of the race"

    Straight from the report, Liar.

    'It was also considered that the decisions regarding the safety
    car at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into account
    previous discussions (including at meetings of the F1 SAC, the F1
    Commission, and F1 Team Managers)'


    No mention of special instructions to the team there.
    Just the same old "desirable not to finish under the SC".
    No special instructions to the teams and certainly no special
    instruction to Masi regarding the regulations.

    So if that is all you were talking about you are guilty, yet again
    or misleading and misrepresentation.

    There were indeed special instructions given to the teams for that
    race, Liar.

    Well if liarboy says so who could possibly doubt... /s

    I think I'll wait for you to actually show an iota of proof that you
    are not just that... a liarboy.

    I'm still waiting for you to take a stand.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Bigbird on Thu Mar 24 10:58:06 2022
    On 2022-03-24 3:48 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-23 6:39 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 11:55 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 11:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 3:27 a.m., Alan LeHun wrote:
    In article <t1bcnr$lre$3@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com
    says...
    Something you have been asked many times and always
    failed to respond; who are the people that you claim
    told Masi, during the SC period, to not apply the
    regulations?

    I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC
    period"


    I thought that was what the claim was. Masi said no
    lapping of cars and then suddenly changed his mind and
    said six could lap.

    It wasn't.




    It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge
    cover up but only if it involves a conspiracy, to
    change the outcome of the race, that only you claim
    exists.

    It seems you're willing to ignore that there was
    clearly direction from above that led Masi to give
    special information to the teams prior to the start
    of the race.


    Masi, or more correctly, the race director, gives
    special information to the teams before every race.
    It's called a pre-race briefing or something.

    This was UNIQUE instructions regarding how the safety car
    would be used.


    Let's keep this simple.

    You are lying.

    I'm not.

    And you're "keeping it simple"...

    ...because you don't actually want to deny that those unique
    pre-race instructions were given...

    ...because you know I'll just bitch-slap you with the quotes.

    Quote away.

    Sorry, but you need to take a definitive stand first.


    So you lied yet again. You are unable to "slap" any quotes
    anywhere...

    ...as expected.

    This thread is simply a litany of your lies now.

    So you won't take a stand.


    Another lie, LIARBOY...

    I've asked the question.

    You've avoided answering it.

    What would you call it?

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Alan LeHun on Thu Mar 24 11:00:33 2022
    On 2022-03-24 3:02 a.m., Alan LeHun wrote:
    In article <t1gbg7$orc$1@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...
    Do you deny that prior to the race, Michael Masi gave special
    instructions?ones not given at prior races?regarding the use of the
    safety car near the end of the race?

    Yes or no.



    Yes. Unless you have evidence of what was said (or not said) at prior
    races.


    Sorry, but that's just another way to avoid answering.

    What does "Yes[,] unless [I] have evidence" mean?

    What you believe right now is tied to whether or not I have evidence?

    The meeting (it now appears there were several) where agreement or
    expression of desire by the teams, for races (plural) to finish under
    green flag conditions was not a flash in the pan that occurred just
    before that final race.

    I'm sorry, but you're wrong.

    It was pointed out at about the time that his all happened that the
    discussion was unique to this race.

    Those links are now buried in the thousands that use a lot of the same
    words.


    And if it was mentioned in briefings before the final race, I see no
    reason why it was not mentioned at prior races.

    You seeing no reason for something doesn't change its reality.

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  • From Martin Harran@21:1/5 to Alan on Thu Mar 24 18:46:42 2022
    On Thu, 24 Mar 2022 10:35:48 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2022-03-24 5:03 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
    On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 16:46:15 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2022-03-23 11:41 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 10:34:53 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 10:31 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 09:56:47 -0000 (UTC), "Bigbird"
    <bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-19 9:22 a.m., alister wrote:
    On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:29:34 -0500, Heron wrote:

    FIA releases Abu Dhabi report, says Masi made human error >>>>>>>>>>>>

    https://racer.com/2022/03/19/fia-releases-abu-dhabi-report-says-masi- >>>>>>>>>>> made-human-error/

    I think the only person who has at any time disagreed with that >>>>>>>>>>> is Alan, who i am sure will now claim this is a cover up & >>>>>>>>>>> still claim Masi acting under direct instructions from above. >>>>>>>>>>>


    '32. It was also considered that the decisions regarding the >>>>>>>>>> safety car at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into >>>>>>>>>> account previous discussions (including at meetings of the F1 >>>>>>>>>> SAC, the F1 Commission, and F1 Team Managers) that made clear the >>>>>>>>>> F1 teams preference to end races under green flag racing
    conditions...'

    Straight from the actual report.


    Nothing new. You must have brought this up a dozen times and the >>>>>>>>> facts remain... the regulations were not changed... only not >>>>>>>>> applied.

    The "F1 SAC" is the "Formula 1 Sporting Advisory Committee" >>>>>>>>>>
    Do you think that they (and the F1 Commission) reported to Masi... >>>>>>>>>>
    ...or did he report to them?

    Who is the Race Director's boss?

    Something you have been asked many times and always failed to >>>>>>>>> respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, during the SC >>>>>>>>> period, to not apply the regulations?

    I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"


    That's essentially a lie. You constantly pushed that.


    It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge cover up but >>>>>>>>> only if it involves a conspiracy, to change the outcome of the >>>>>>>>> race, that only you claim exists.

    It seems you're willing to ignore that there was clearly direction >>>>>>>> from above that led Masi to give special information to the teams >>>>>>>> prior to the start of the race.

    Cite.

    The only thing clarified above is that " the
    F1 teams preference to end races under green flag racing
    conditions"

    Which was just about everybody's preference. Nothing at all in it
    about Masi being free to ignore existing rules and practices.

    Except the fact that MASI brought the teams an extra message about how >>>>> the safety car would be handled late in the race indicates that he had >>>>> received instructions on the subject from someone above him.

    Pity you can't give us any details of what that message was. Pity that >>>> you can't tell us who that "someone" was. Pity you can't tell us why
    Horner didn't use that message to justify Max's victory.

    The gist of it was posted in this group ages ago.

    Do you deny that prior to the race, Michael Masi gave special
    instructionsones not given at prior racesregarding the use of the
    safety car near the end of the race?

    Yes or no.

    I don't know of any such instructions. *You* are the only one claiming
    there were such instructions, it's up to you to give the evidence to
    support your claim - it's well beyond time that you "put up or shut
    up."

    Is that a "yes"... ...or a "no"?

    Why is it none of you will take a stand?

    Because, unlike you, we don't answer questions to which we don't
    actually know the answer.

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  • From Martin Harran@21:1/5 to Alan on Thu Mar 24 18:47:50 2022
    On Thu, 24 Mar 2022 10:39:14 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2022-03-24 5:10 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
    On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 16:46:56 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2022-03-23 11:44 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 11:13:18 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 11:08 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 3:16 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Something you have been asked many times and always failed to >>>>>>>>>> respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, during >>>>>>>>>> the SC period, to not apply the regulations?

    I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period" >>>>>>>>>

    2 examples

    "Masi did not make that call on his own; you can absolutely count on >>>>>>>> that."

    What does that have to do with WHEN the other influence was applied? >>>>>>>

    Find the thread and re-read it.

    Nope. You quote it, Liar.


    You are either lying or pretending to have forgotten the context.

    Liar.



    "If there conclusions were only that Masi acted alone, why would >>>>>>>> they want to do that?

    Sorry, but same question.

    So are you now backpedaling and saying you believe he acted alone? >>>>>>
    Yes or no?


    Nope. He acted on the (earlier) instructions he'd received from his
    superiors.

    Instructions that are the reason that he gave unique instructions to the >>>>> teams...

    ...BEFORE THE RACE...

    ...that any safety car period near the end of the race would be ended as >>>>> quickly as possible.

    Are you now claiming that safety car periods aren't usually ended as
    quickly as possible?

    I'm claiming that there were specific, unique instructions to the teams
    about this particular race.

    That is NOT what the report said - it said "made clear the F1 teams'
    preference to end races under green flag racing conditions". Stating
    the F1 teams' preference is not a *specific instruction* to a RD to
    simply ignore current rules and practice as to how the safety car is
    managed.

    That is either a disingenuous lie or you're just ignorant.

    'It was also considered that the decisions regarding the safety car at
    the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into account previous >discussions (including at meetings of the F1 SAC, the F1 Commission, and
    F1 Team Managers) that made clear the F1 teams preference to end races
    under green flag racing conditions, rather than behind a safety car,
    when safe to do so.'

    That's the full sentence. It clearly talks about the involvement of
    those who were Masi's superiors in the FIA.

    Where does it say anything about "specific, unique instructions"?


    'The F1 drivers consultation'

    THAT is what took place prior to the race and after those "previous >discussions".

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  • From texas gate@21:1/5 to Alan on Thu Mar 24 11:58:40 2022
    On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 12:00:35 PM UTC-6, Alan wrote:

    Those links are now buried

    lol

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  • From texas gate@21:1/5 to martin...@gmail.com on Thu Mar 24 15:21:29 2022
    On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 12:46:44 PM UTC-6, martin...@gmail.com wrote:

    Because, unlike you, we don't answer questions to which we don't
    actually know the answer.

    yet you continue to hump alans leg
    3 months after the fact
    you are fucking bored

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  • From geoff@21:1/5 to Alan on Fri Mar 25 11:44:16 2022
    On 25/03/2022 6:39 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-03-24 5:10 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
    On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 16:46:56 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2022-03-23 11:44 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 11:13:18 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 11:08 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 3:16 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Something you have been asked many times and always failed to >>>>>>>>>> respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, during >>>>>>>>>> the SC period, to not apply the regulations?

    I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period" >>>>>>>>>

    2 examples

    "Masi did not make that call on his own; you can absolutely
    count on
        that."

    What does that have to do with WHEN the other influence was applied? >>>>>>>

    Find the thread and re-read it.

    Nope. You quote it, Liar.


    You are either lying or pretending to have forgotten the context.

    Liar.



    "If there conclusions were only that Masi acted alone, why would >>>>>>>> they want to do that?

    Sorry, but same question.

    So are you now backpedaling and saying you believe he acted alone? >>>>>>
    Yes or no?


    Nope. He acted on the (earlier) instructions he'd received from his
    superiors.

    Instructions that are the reason that he gave unique instructions
    to the
    teams...

    ...BEFORE THE RACE...

    ...that any safety car period near the end of the race would be
    ended as
    quickly as possible.

    Are you now claiming that safety car periods aren't usually ended as
    quickly as possible?

    I'm claiming that there were specific, unique instructions to the teams
    about this particular race.

    That is NOT what the report said - it said "made clear the F1 teams'
    preference to end races under green flag racing conditions". Stating
    the F1 teams' preference is not a *specific instruction* to a RD to
    simply ignore current rules and practice as to how the safety car is
    managed.

    That is either a disingenuous lie or you're just ignorant.

    'It was also considered that the decisions regarding the safety car at
    the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into account previous discussions (including at meetings of the F1 SAC, the F1 Commission, and
    F1 Team Managers) that made clear the F1 teams’ preference to end races under green flag racing conditions, rather than behind a safety car,
    when safe to do so.'

    That's the full sentence. It clearly talks about the involvement of
    those who were Masi's superiors in the FIA.

    'The F1 drivers’ consultation'

    THAT is what took place prior to the race and after those "previous discussions".

    Doesn't suggest anything about free licence to ignore the rules and regs.

    geoff

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  • From texas gate@21:1/5 to geoff on Thu Mar 24 16:06:59 2022
    On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 4:44:23 PM UTC-6, geoff wrote:

    Doesn't suggest anything about free licence to ignore the rules and regs.

    get a life troll

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  • From texas gate@21:1/5 to geoff on Thu Mar 24 17:42:24 2022
    On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 4:44:23 PM UTC-6, geoff wrote:

    Doesn't suggest anything about free licence to ignore the rules and regs.

    thats all ya got after 3 months?
    typical useless nz idiot
    hoping putin doesnt ruin
    his shithole existence

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to geoff on Thu Mar 24 17:44:17 2022
    On 2022-03-24 3:44 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 25/03/2022 6:39 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-03-24 5:10 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
    On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 16:46:56 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2022-03-23 11:44 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 11:13:18 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 11:08 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 3:16 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Something you have been asked many times and always failed to >>>>>>>>>>> respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, during >>>>>>>>>>> the SC period, to not apply the regulations?

    I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period" >>>>>>>>>>

    2 examples

    "Masi did not make that call on his own; you can absolutely
    count on
        that."

    What does that have to do with WHEN the other influence was
    applied?


    Find the thread and re-read it.

    Nope. You quote it, Liar.


    You are either lying or pretending to have forgotten the context. >>>>>>
    Liar.



    "If there conclusions were only that Masi acted alone, why would >>>>>>>>> they want to do that?

    Sorry, but same question.

    So are you now backpedaling and saying you believe he acted alone? >>>>>>>
    Yes or no?


    Nope. He acted on the (earlier) instructions he'd received from his >>>>>> superiors.

    Instructions that are the reason that he gave unique instructions
    to the
    teams...

    ...BEFORE THE RACE...

    ...that any safety car period near the end of the race would be
    ended as
    quickly as possible.

    Are you now claiming that safety car periods aren't usually ended as >>>>> quickly as possible?

    I'm claiming that there were specific, unique instructions to the teams >>>> about this particular race.

    That is NOT what the report said - it said "made clear the F1 teams'
    preference to end races under green flag racing conditions". Stating
    the F1 teams' preference is not a *specific instruction* to a RD to
    simply ignore current rules and practice as to how the safety car is
    managed.

    That is either a disingenuous lie or you're just ignorant.

    'It was also considered that the decisions regarding the safety car at
    the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into account previous
    discussions (including at meetings of the F1 SAC, the F1 Commission,
    and F1 Team Managers) that made clear the F1 teams’ preference to end
    races under green flag racing conditions, rather than behind a safety
    car, when safe to do so.'

    That's the full sentence. It clearly talks about the involvement of
    those who were Masi's superiors in the FIA.

    'The F1 drivers’ consultation'

    THAT is what took place prior to the race and after those "previous
    discussions".

    Doesn't suggest anything about free licence to ignore the rules and regs.

    You get that the stewards at the event ruled the rules hadn't been
    ignored...

    ...right?

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  • From texas gate@21:1/5 to Alan on Thu Mar 24 17:49:08 2022
    On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 6:44:20 PM UTC-6, Alan wrote:

    You get that the stewards at the event ruled the rules hadn't been
    ignored...

    ...right?

    3 month later
    kill yourself
    you simple asshole

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  • From texas gate@21:1/5 to Alan on Thu Mar 24 17:54:59 2022
    On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 6:44:20 PM UTC-6, Alan wrote:

    You get that the stewards at the event ruled the rules hadn't been
    ignored...

    ...right?

    3 months later
    kill yourself
    you simple asshole

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  • From Alan LeHun@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 25 05:30:25 2022
    In article <t1ibk1$u7f$3@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...

    On 2022-03-24 3:02 a.m., Alan LeHun wrote:
    In article <t1gbg7$orc$1@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...
    Do you deny that prior to the race, Michael Masi gave special
    instructions?ones not given at prior races?regarding the use of the
    safety car near the end of the race?

    Yes or no.



    Yes. Unless you have evidence of what was said (or not said) at prior races.


    Sorry, but that's just another way to avoid answering.

    What does "Yes[,] unless [I] have evidence" mean?

    What you believe right now is tied to whether or not I have evidence?

    Yes. I deny that such instructions were unique and will continue to do
    so until evidence to the contrary is provided.


    The meeting (it now appears there were several) where agreement or expression of desire by the teams, for races (plural) to finish under
    green flag conditions was not a flash in the pan that occurred just
    before that final race.

    I'm sorry, but you're wrong.

    It was pointed out at about the time that his all happened that the discussion was unique to this race.

    Those links are now buried in the thousands that use a lot of the same
    words.


    I doubt that any link provided indicated that the instructions were
    unique.


    And if it was mentioned in briefings before the final race, I see no
    reason why it was not mentioned at prior races.

    You seeing no reason for something doesn't change its reality.

    Well of course not, but neither of us know the reality. The above is
    part of the logic for how I arrived at the position I hold.



    --
    Alan LeHun

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  • From Bigbird@21:1/5 to Alan on Fri Mar 25 10:50:59 2022
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-24 3:34 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-23 7:09 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    [snip]

    What special instructions?

    Are you denying the multiple reports that Masi gave the
    teams special instructions prior to the Abu Dhabi GP?


    Cite any that you think support your position as you
    declared above that gave Masi permission to ignore the
    regulations.

    "there was clearly
    direction from above that led Masi to give special
    information to the teams prior to the start of the race"

    Third chance. Anyone might think you were being dishonest.


    Yes: "prior to the start of the race"

    Straight from the report, Liar.

    'It was also considered that the decisions regarding the
    safety car at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took
    into account previous discussions (including at meetings of
    the F1 SAC, the F1 Commission, and F1 Team Managers)'


    No mention of special instructions to the team there.
    Just the same old "desirable not to finish under the SC".
    No special instructions to the teams and certainly no special instruction to Masi regarding the regulations.

    So if that is all you were talking about you are guilty, yet
    again or misleading and misrepresentation.

    There were indeed special instructions given to the teams for that
    race, Liar.

    Well if liarboy says so who could possibly doubt... /s

    I think I'll wait for you to actually show an iota of proof that you
    are not just that... a liarboy.

    I'm still waiting for you to take a stand.

    You've made that claim before to prevaricate when you have been exposed
    as a liar.

    It doesn't fly anymore.

    You are a pathological liar.

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  • From Bigbird@21:1/5 to Alan on Fri Mar 25 10:54:31 2022
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-24 5:03 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
    On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 16:46:15 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2022-03-23 11:41 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 10:34:53 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 10:31 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 09:56:47 -0000 (UTC), "Bigbird"
    <bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-19 9:22 a.m., alister wrote:
    On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:29:34 -0500, Heron wrote:

    FIA releases Abu Dhabi report, says Masi made
    ‘human error’



    https://racer.com/2022/03/19/fia-releases-abu-dhabi-report-says-masi-
    made-human-error/

    I think the only person who has at any time
    disagreed with that is Alan, who i am sure will
    now claim this is a cover up & still claim Masi
    acting under direct instructions from above.



    '32. It was also considered that the decisions
    regarding the safety car at the end of the 2021 Abu
    Dhabi GP likely took into account previous
    discussions (including at meetings of the F1 SAC,
    the F1 Commission, and F1 Team Managers) that made
    clear the F1 teams’ preference to end races under
    green flag racing conditions...'

    Straight from the actual report.


    Nothing new. You must have brought this up a dozen
    times and the facts remain... the regulations were
    not changed... only not applied.

    The "F1 SAC" is the "Formula 1 Sporting Advisory
    Committee"

    Do you think that they (and the F1 Commission)
    reported to Masi...

    ...or did he report to them?

    Who is the Race Director's boss?

    Something you have been asked many times and always
    failed to respond; who are the people that you claim
    told Masi, during the SC period, to not apply the regulations?

    I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC
    period"


    That's essentially a lie. You constantly pushed that.


    It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge
    cover up but only if it involves a conspiracy, to
    change the outcome of the race, that only you claim
    exists.

    It seems you're willing to ignore that there was
    clearly direction from above that led Masi to give
    special information to the teams prior to the start of
    the race.

    Cite.

    The only thing clarified above is that " the
    F1 teams’ preference to end races under green flag racing conditions"

    Which was just about everybody's preference. Nothing at all
    in it about Masi being free to ignore existing rules and
    practices.

    Except the fact that MASI brought the teams an extra message
    about how the safety car would be handled late in the race
    indicates that he had received instructions on the subject
    from someone above him.

    Pity you can't give us any details of what that message was.
    Pity that you can't tell us who that "someone" was. Pity you
    can't tell us why Horner didn't use that message to justify
    Max's victory.

    The gist of it was posted in this group ages ago.

    Do you deny that prior to the race, Michael Masi gave special instructions—ones not given at prior races–regarding the use of
    the safety car near the end of the race?

    Yes or no.

    I don't know of any such instructions. You are the only one claiming
    there were such instructions, it's up to you to give the evidence to support your claim - it's well beyond time that you "put up or shut
    up."

    Is that a "yes"... ...or a "no"?

    Why is it none of you will take a stand?

    Everyone has taken a stand.

    Everyone has either implied you are lying or stated it overtly.

    You are known as an habitual and persistent liar.

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  • From Bigbird@21:1/5 to Alan on Fri Mar 25 10:57:00 2022
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-24 3:48 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-23 6:39 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 11:55 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 11:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 3:27 a.m., Alan LeHun wrote:
    In article <t1bcnr$lre$3@dont-email.me>,
    nuh-uh@nope.com says...
    Something you have been asked many times and
    always failed to respond; who are the people
    that you claim told Masi, during the SC period,
    to not apply the regulations?

    I never claimed they told him anything "DURING
    the SC period"


    I thought that was what the claim was. Masi said no
    lapping of cars and then suddenly changed his mind
    and said six could lap.

    It wasn't.




    It seems you are willing to believe there is a
    huge cover up but only if it involves a
    conspiracy, to change the outcome of the race,
    that only you claim exists.

    It seems you're willing to ignore that there was
    clearly direction from above that led Masi to give special information to the teams prior to the
    start of the race.


    Masi, or more correctly, the race director, gives
    special information to the teams before every race.
    It's called a pre-race briefing or something.

    This was UNIQUE instructions regarding how the safety
    car would be used.


    Let's keep this simple.

    You are lying.

    I'm not.

    And you're "keeping it simple"...

    ...because you don't actually want to deny that those
    unique pre-race instructions were given...

    ...because you know I'll just bitch-slap you with the
    quotes.

    Quote away.

    Sorry, but you need to take a definitive stand first.


    So you lied yet again. You are unable to "slap" any quotes
    anywhere...

    ...as expected.

    This thread is simply a litany of your lies now.

    So you won't take a stand.


    Another lie, LIARBOY...

    I've asked the question.

    You've avoided answering it.

    What would you call it?

    Another lie, I haven't avoided answering any relevant questions or said anything that prevents you from showing you are not an habitual and
    persistent liar.

    We all know the reason for your prevarication, LIARBOY.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Bigbird on Fri Mar 25 13:45:53 2022
    On 2022-03-25 3:54 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-24 5:03 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
    On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 16:46:15 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2022-03-23 11:41 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 10:34:53 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 10:31 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 09:56:47 -0000 (UTC), "Bigbird"
    <bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-19 9:22 a.m., alister wrote:
    On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:29:34 -0500, Heron wrote:

    FIA releases Abu Dhabi report, says Masi made
    ‘human error’



    https://racer.com/2022/03/19/fia-releases-abu-dhabi-report-says-masi-
    made-human-error/

    I think the only person who has at any time
    disagreed with that is Alan, who i am sure will
    now claim this is a cover up & still claim Masi
    acting under direct instructions from above.



    '32. It was also considered that the decisions
    regarding the safety car at the end of the 2021 Abu
    Dhabi GP likely took into account previous
    discussions (including at meetings of the F1 SAC,
    the F1 Commission, and F1 Team Managers) that made
    clear the F1 teams’ preference to end races under
    green flag racing conditions...'

    Straight from the actual report.


    Nothing new. You must have brought this up a dozen
    times and the facts remain... the regulations were
    not changed... only not applied.

    The "F1 SAC" is the "Formula 1 Sporting Advisory
    Committee"

    Do you think that they (and the F1 Commission)
    reported to Masi...

    ...or did he report to them?

    Who is the Race Director's boss?

    Something you have been asked many times and always
    failed to respond; who are the people that you claim
    told Masi, during the SC period, to not apply the
    regulations?

    I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC
    period"


    That's essentially a lie. You constantly pushed that.


    It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge
    cover up but only if it involves a conspiracy, to
    change the outcome of the race, that only you claim
    exists.

    It seems you're willing to ignore that there was
    clearly direction from above that led Masi to give
    special information to the teams prior to the start of
    the race.

    Cite.

    The only thing clarified above is that " the
    F1 teams’ preference to end races under green flag racing
    conditions"

    Which was just about everybody's preference. Nothing at all
    in it about Masi being free to ignore existing rules and
    practices.

    Except the fact that MASI brought the teams an extra message
    about how the safety car would be handled late in the race
    indicates that he had received instructions on the subject
    from someone above him.

    Pity you can't give us any details of what that message was.
    Pity that you can't tell us who that "someone" was. Pity you
    can't tell us why Horner didn't use that message to justify
    Max's victory.

    The gist of it was posted in this group ages ago.

    Do you deny that prior to the race, Michael Masi gave special
    instructions—ones not given at prior races–regarding the use of
    the safety car near the end of the race?

    Yes or no.

    I don't know of any such instructions. You are the only one claiming
    there were such instructions, it's up to you to give the evidence to
    support your claim - it's well beyond time that you "put up or shut
    up."

    Is that a "yes"... ...or a "no"?

    Why is it none of you will take a stand?

    Everyone has taken a stand.


    You haven't.

    Liar.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Bigbird on Fri Mar 25 13:45:35 2022
    On 2022-03-25 3:57 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-24 3:48 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-23 6:39 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 11:55 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 11:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 3:27 a.m., Alan LeHun wrote:
    In article <t1bcnr$lre$3@dont-email.me>,
    nuh-uh@nope.com says...
    Something you have been asked many times and
    always failed to respond; who are the people
    that you claim told Masi, during the SC period,
    to not apply the regulations?

    I never claimed they told him anything "DURING
    the SC period"


    I thought that was what the claim was. Masi said no
    lapping of cars and then suddenly changed his mind
    and said six could lap.

    It wasn't.




    It seems you are willing to believe there is a
    huge cover up but only if it involves a
    conspiracy, to change the outcome of the race,
    that only you claim exists.

    It seems you're willing to ignore that there was
    clearly direction from above that led Masi to give
    special information to the teams prior to the
    start of the race.


    Masi, or more correctly, the race director, gives
    special information to the teams before every race.
    It's called a pre-race briefing or something.

    This was UNIQUE instructions regarding how the safety
    car would be used.


    Let's keep this simple.

    You are lying.

    I'm not.

    And you're "keeping it simple"...

    ...because you don't actually want to deny that those
    unique pre-race instructions were given...

    ...because you know I'll just bitch-slap you with the
    quotes.

    Quote away.

    Sorry, but you need to take a definitive stand first.


    So you lied yet again. You are unable to "slap" any quotes
    anywhere...

    ...as expected.

    This thread is simply a litany of your lies now.

    So you won't take a stand.


    Another lie, LIARBOY...

    I've asked the question.

    You've avoided answering it.

    What would you call it?

    Another lie, I haven't avoided answering any relevant questions or said

    By your insertion of the word "relevant" you admit there is a question
    you haven't answered.

    Liar.

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  • From texas gate@21:1/5 to Alan on Fri Mar 25 14:12:26 2022
    On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 2:45:56 PM UTC-6, Alan wrote:

    Liar.

    rasf1 pool cheat

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  • From geoff@21:1/5 to Alan on Sat Mar 26 13:04:36 2022
    On 26/03/2022 9:45 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-03-25 3:57 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-24 3:48 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-23 6:39 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 11:55 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 11:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 3:27 a.m., Alan LeHun wrote:
    In article <t1bcnr$lre$3@dont-email.me>,
    nuh-uh@nope.com says...
    Something you have been asked many times and
    always failed to respond; who are the people
    that you claim told Masi, during the SC period,
    to not apply the regulations?

    I never claimed they told him anything "DURING
    the SC period"


    I thought that was what the claim was. Masi said no
    lapping of cars and then suddenly changed his mind
    and said six could lap.

    It wasn't.




    It seems you are willing to believe there is a
    huge cover up but only if it involves a
    conspiracy, to change the outcome of the race,
    that only you claim exists.

    It seems you're willing to ignore that there was
    clearly direction from above that led Masi to give
    special information to the teams prior to the
    start of the race.


    Masi, or more correctly, the race director, gives
    special information to the teams before every race.
    It's called a pre-race briefing or something.

    This was UNIQUE instructions regarding how the safety
    car would be used.


    Let's keep this simple.

    You are lying.

    I'm not.

    And you're "keeping it simple"...

    ...because you don't actually want to deny that those
    unique pre-race instructions were given...

    ...because you know I'll just bitch-slap you with the
    quotes.

    Quote away.

    Sorry, but you need to take a definitive stand first.


    So you lied yet again. You are unable to "slap" any quotes
    anywhere...

    ...as expected.

    This thread is simply a litany of your lies now.

    So you won't take a stand.


    Another lie, LIARBOY...

    I've asked the question.

    You've avoided answering it.

    What would you call it?

    Another lie, I haven't avoided answering any relevant questions or said

    By your insertion of the word "relevant" you admit there is a question
    you haven't answered.

    Liar.

    Naa naa naa-naa naa

    geoff

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  • From Bigbird@21:1/5 to Alan on Sat Mar 26 12:22:44 2022
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-25 3:54 a.m., Bigbird wrote:

    Everyone has taken a stand.


    You haven't.

    I have, you just don't like it. I have clearly declared my position
    several times.


    Liar.

    Okay enough now.
    You had every opportunity to put up. You can't.
    I think we can leave this, as with many threads in which you
    persistently fail to support your assertions, as yet another case of
    you running your mouth until only falsehoods emerge.

    You're an utter failure, LIARBOY.

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  • From Bigbird@21:1/5 to Alan on Sat Mar 26 12:19:22 2022
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-25 3:57 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-24 3:48 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-23 6:39 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 11:55 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 11:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 3:27 a.m., Alan LeHun wrote:
    In article <t1bcnr$lre$3@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...
    Something you have been asked many times and
    always failed to respond; who are the people
    that you claim told Masi, during the SC
    period, to not apply the regulations?

    I never claimed they told him anything "DURING
    the SC period"


    I thought that was what the claim was. Masi
    said no lapping of cars and then suddenly
    changed his mind and said six could lap.

    It wasn't.




    It seems you are willing to believe there
    is a huge cover up but only if it involves a conspiracy, to change the outcome of the
    race, that only you claim exists.

    It seems you're willing to ignore that there
    was clearly direction from above that led
    Masi to give special information to the teams
    prior to the start of the race.


    Masi, or more correctly, the race director,
    gives special information to the teams before
    every race. It's called a pre-race briefing or something.

    This was UNIQUE instructions regarding how the
    safety car would be used.


    Let's keep this simple.

    You are lying.

    I'm not.

    And you're "keeping it simple"...

    ...because you don't actually want to deny that those
    unique pre-race instructions were given...

    ...because you know I'll just bitch-slap you with the
    quotes.

    Quote away.

    Sorry, but you need to take a definitive stand first.


    So you lied yet again. You are unable to "slap" any quotes anywhere...

    ...as expected.

    This thread is simply a litany of your lies now.

    So you won't take a stand.


    Another lie, LIARBOY...

    I've asked the question.

    You've avoided answering it.

    What would you call it?

    Another lie, I haven't avoided answering any relevant questions or
    said

    By your insertion of the word "relevant" you admit there is a
    question you haven't answered.


    No, you ignorant fool, it is just precision.
    Do you know even know what relevant means.
    By the same token you are admitting that your questions have not been
    relevant. So duh!

    Liar.

    Okay enough now.
    You had every opportunity to put up.
    I think we can leave this, as with many threads in which you
    persistently fail to support your assertions, as yet another case of
    you running your mouth until only falsehoods emerge.

    You're an utter failure, LIARBOY.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Bigbird on Sat Mar 26 13:25:00 2022
    On 2022-03-26 5:22 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-25 3:54 a.m., Bigbird wrote:

    Everyone has taken a stand.


    You haven't.

    I have, you just don't like it. I have clearly declared my position
    several times.

    No. You have not.

    I asked a simple yes/no question and you avoided answering it.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Bigbird on Sat Mar 26 13:26:01 2022
    On 2022-03-26 5:19 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-25 3:57 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-24 3:48 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-23 6:39 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 11:55 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 11:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 3:27 a.m., Alan LeHun wrote:
    In article <t1bcnr$lre$3@dont-email.me>,
    nuh-uh@nope.com says...
    Something you have been asked many times and
    always failed to respond; who are the people
    that you claim told Masi, during the SC
    period, to not apply the regulations?

    I never claimed they told him anything "DURING
    the SC period"


    I thought that was what the claim was. Masi
    said no lapping of cars and then suddenly
    changed his mind and said six could lap.

    It wasn't.




    It seems you are willing to believe there
    is a huge cover up but only if it involves a
    conspiracy, to change the outcome of the
    race, that only you claim exists.

    It seems you're willing to ignore that there
    was clearly direction from above that led
    Masi to give special information to the teams
    prior to the start of the race.


    Masi, or more correctly, the race director,
    gives special information to the teams before
    every race. It's called a pre-race briefing or
    something.

    This was UNIQUE instructions regarding how the
    safety car would be used.


    Let's keep this simple.

    You are lying.

    I'm not.

    And you're "keeping it simple"...

    ...because you don't actually want to deny that those
    unique pre-race instructions were given...

    ...because you know I'll just bitch-slap you with the
    quotes.

    Quote away.

    Sorry, but you need to take a definitive stand first.


    So you lied yet again. You are unable to "slap" any quotes
    anywhere...

    ...as expected.

    This thread is simply a litany of your lies now.

    So you won't take a stand.


    Another lie, LIARBOY...

    I've asked the question.

    You've avoided answering it.

    What would you call it?

    Another lie, I haven't avoided answering any relevant questions or
    said

    By your insertion of the word "relevant" you admit there is a
    question you haven't answered.


    No, you ignorant fool, it is just precision.

    It's a weasel word.

    Do you know even know what relevant means.

    I know what it means.

    Do you know what "no true Scotsman" means?

    By the same token you are admitting that your questions have not been relevant. So duh!

    "No true Scotsman".

    I suggest you look it up, Liar.

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  • From alister@21:1/5 to geoff on Sat Mar 26 20:51:17 2022
    On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 13:04:36 +1300, geoff wrote:

    On 26/03/2022 9:45 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-03-25 3:57 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-24 3:48 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-23 6:39 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 11:55 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 11:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-03-22 3:27 a.m., Alan LeHun wrote:
    In article <t1bcnr$lre$3@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com >>>>>>>>>>>>> says...
    Something you have been asked many times and always failed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> during the SC period,
    to not apply the regulations?

    I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC >>>>>>>>>>>>>> period"


    I thought that was what the claim was. Masi said no lapping >>>>>>>>>>>>> of cars and then suddenly changed his mind and said six >>>>>>>>>>>>> could lap.

    It wasn't.




    It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge cover >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up but only if it involves a conspiracy, to change the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outcome of the race, that only you claim exists.

    It seems you're willing to ignore that there was clearly >>>>>>>>>>>>>> direction from above that led Masi to give special >>>>>>>>>>>>>> information to the teams prior to the start of the race. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    Masi, or more correctly, the race director, gives special >>>>>>>>>>>>> information to the teams before every race.
    It's called a pre-race briefing or something.

    This was UNIQUE instructions regarding how the safety car >>>>>>>>>>>> would be used.


    Let's keep this simple.

    You are lying.

    I'm not.

    And you're "keeping it simple"...

    ...because you don't actually want to deny that those unique >>>>>>>>>> pre-race instructions were given...

    ...because you know I'll just bitch-slap you with the quotes. >>>>>>>>>
    Quote away.

    Sorry, but you need to take a definitive stand first.


    So you lied yet again. You are unable to "slap" any quotes
    anywhere...

    ...as expected.

    This thread is simply a litany of your lies now.

    So you won't take a stand.


    Another lie, LIARBOY...

    I've asked the question.

    You've avoided answering it.

    What would you call it?

    Another lie, I haven't avoided answering any relevant questions or
    said

    By your insertion of the word "relevant" you admit there is a question
    you haven't answered.

    Liar.

    Naa naa naa-naa naa

    geoff

    Worryingly that is the most coherent comment in this thread fro a long
    time :-)




    --
    I'm rated PG-34!!

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  • From texas gate@21:1/5 to Alan on Sat Mar 26 16:28:51 2022
    On Saturday, March 26, 2022 at 2:26:04 PM UTC-6, Alan wrote:

    It's a weasel word.

    this from the group weasel.
    fuck off asshole.

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