One thing that stood out to me is that the cars are running some kind
of flap over the front wheels. It looks like a plate attached to the
shaft on the inside of the wheel that goes up and bends over top half
of the wheel. Is this some new aero bit in the rules or is it part of
the measuring package? (I know my description is probably less than
useful. Maybe there is a still image somewhere...)
F1TV has a short day 1 summary video up. Mostly long rage, short
duration shots but still some interesting looks.
One thing that stood out to me is that the cars are running some kind
of flap over the front wheels. It looks like a plate attached to the
shaft on the inside of the wheel that goes up and bends over top half
of the wheel. Is this some new aero bit in the rules or is it part of
the measuring package? (I know my description is probably less than
useful. Maybe there is a still image somewhere...)
I also liked the Alpha Romeo camo paint job. I'm not sure that is
very useful these days with all the high def equipment but it looked
cool.
AFAICR
As far as I can remember (AFAICR)
On 2/23/2022 4:39 PM, D Munz wrote:
One thing that stood out to me is that the cars are running some kind
of flap over the front wheels. It looks like a plate attached to the
shaft on the inside of the wheel that goes up and bends over top half
of the wheel. Is this some new aero bit in the rules or is it part of
the measuring package? (I know my description is probably less than
useful. Maybe there is a still image somewhere...)
Pictures here:
https://www.planetf1.com/features/f1-barcelona-track-pictures/
Those are apparently the "front wheel scoops" described in the technical regulations. Since "rear wheel scoops" are also described there, but I don't see any being used in the photos, both are probably optional.
Nope.
On 2022-02-23 1:55 p.m., Mark Jackson wrote:
On 2/23/2022 4:39 PM, D Munz wrote:
One thing that stood out to me is that the cars are running some kind
of flap over the front wheels. It looks like a plate attached to the
shaft on the inside of the wheel that goes up and bends over top half
of the wheel. Is this some new aero bit in the rules or is it part of
the measuring package? (I know my description is probably less than
useful. Maybe there is a still image somewhere...)
Pictures here:
https://www.planetf1.com/features/f1-barcelona-track-pictures/
Those are apparently the "front wheel scoops" described in the
technical regulations. Since "rear wheel scoops" are also described
there, but I don't see any being used in the photos, both are probably
optional.
Nope.
The front and rear brake DUCTS aren't up there.
F1TV has a short day 1 summary video up. Mostly long rage, short duration shots but still some interesting looks.the rules or is it part of the measuring package? (I know my description is probably less than useful. Maybe there is a still image somewhere...)
One thing that stood out to me is that the cars are running some kind of flap over the front wheels. It looks like a plate attached to the shaft on the inside of the wheel that goes up and bends over top half of the wheel. Is this some new aero bit in
I also liked the Alpha Romeo camo paint job. I'm not sure that is very useful these days with all the high def equipment but it looked cool.
FWIW
DLM
F1TV has a short day 1 summary video up. Mostly long rage, short
duration shots but still some interesting looks.
One thing that stood out to me is that the cars are running some kind
of flap over the front wheels. It looks like a plate attached to the
shaft on the inside of the wheel that goes up and bends over top half
of the wheel. Is this some new aero bit in the rules or is it part of
the measuring package? (I know my description is probably less than
useful. Maybe there is a still image somewhere...)
On 2022-02-23 6:55 p.m., Mark Jackson wrote:
On 2/23/2022 6:21 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-23 1:55 p.m., Mark Jackson wrote:
On 2/23/2022 4:39 PM, D Munz wrote:
One thing that stood out to me is that the cars are running some kind >>>>> of flap over the front wheels. It looks like a plate attached to the >>>>> shaft on the inside of the wheel that goes up and bends over top half >>>>> of the wheel. Is this some new aero bit in the rules or is it part of >>>>> the measuring package? (I know my description is probably less than
useful. Maybe there is a still image somewhere...)
Pictures here:
https://www.planetf1.com/features/f1-barcelona-track-pictures/
Those are apparently the "front wheel scoops" described in the
technical regulations. Since "rear wheel scoops" are also described
there, but I don't see any being used in the photos, both are
probably optional.
Nope.
The front and rear brake DUCTS aren't up there.
I refer to the SCOOPS described in 3.13.3 of the technical regulations,
which however are complex enough that I might be wrong. Which article
number do *you* believe describs the structures in question?
The scoops AREN'T described in 3.13.3. They are constrained by 3.13.3.
And if you look at the definition of the legality box into which both
must fit, it is clear that the scoops are the scoops for the brake ducts
and not the fairing that goes over the front wheels.
'34 Front Wheel Scoop Reference Volume (RV-FWH-SCO)
RV-FWH-SCO is composed of the following elements
34.1 On a plane through Yw= -6, a circle of radius 220.3mm centred at
[0, 0] and extruded along Yw to Yw=150 retaining only the material
between Zw= 200 and Zw = -100.
34.2 A plane through the following three points:
a. [Xw = 0, 150, 20], [Xw = 50, 150, 20], [Xw = 0, 0, -100]
34.3 Once the plane in 34.2 is defined it must be used to trim the
volume in 34.1 with ALL material below the plane discarded.
34.4 A plane through the following three points:
a. [Xw = 0, 150, 20], [Xw = 100, 150, 200], [Xw = 200, 0, -100]
34.5 Once the plane in 34.4 is defined it must be used to trim the
volume in 34.3 with ALL material inboard of the plane discarded.
The fully defined volume in §34.5 is RV-FWH-SCO.'
To help you, the terms "Xw", "Yw", and "Zw" refer to a coordinate system
for the wheel rather than the one defined for the whole car:
'2.11.3 A Cartesian (Xw, Yw, Zw) coordinate system will be used for each wheel, defined in the following way:
a. The Xw axis lies on the inboard plane of the wheel rim, passes
through its rotational axis and points in the rearward longitudinal direction. Xw=0mm is defined to be on the wheel rotational axis. The Xw
axis is parallel to the car centre plane and to the reference plane,
with the wheel in the straight-ahead position and the car at its
legality ride height, as defined in Article 10.1.4.
b. The Yw axis is normal to the inboard plane of the wheel rim and
points towards the car centre plane. Yw=0mm is defined to be on the
inboard plane of the wheel rim. Referring to this coordinate, the terms “inboard” or “outboard” respectively refer to closer to or further away
from the car centre plane.
c. The Zw axis is normal to both the Xw and Yw axes and points upwards.
Zw=0 is defined to be on the wheel rotational axis.
d. Once the wheel axis system is defined as above, then it maintains a
fixed orientation relative to the suspension upright at all other
suspension articulation points.'
It's tough sledding, but that defines a volume immediately inboard of
each wheel/tire and definitely NOT above it. Zw from -100 to 200
constrains the vertical dimensions to a number below the top of the tire which would be Zw = 360.
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-02-23 6:55 p.m., Mark Jackson wrote:
On 2/23/2022 6:21 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-23 1:55 p.m., Mark Jackson wrote:
On 2/23/2022 4:39 PM, D Munz wrote:
One thing that stood out to me is that the cars are running some kind >>>>>> of flap over the front wheels. It looks like a plate attached to the >>>>>> shaft on the inside of the wheel that goes up and bends over top half >>>>>> of the wheel. Is this some new aero bit in the rules or is it part of >>>>>> the measuring package? (I know my description is probably less than >>>>>> useful. Maybe there is a still image somewhere...)
Pictures here:
https://www.planetf1.com/features/f1-barcelona-track-pictures/
Those are apparently the "front wheel scoops" described in the
technical regulations. Since "rear wheel scoops" are also described >>>>> there, but I don't see any being used in the photos, both are
probably optional.
Nope.
The front and rear brake DUCTS aren't up there.
I refer to the SCOOPS described in 3.13.3 of the technical regulations,
which however are complex enough that I might be wrong. Which article
number do *you* believe describs the structures in question?
The scoops AREN'T described in 3.13.3. They are constrained by 3.13.3.
And if you look at the definition of the legality box into which both
must fit, it is clear that the scoops are the scoops for the brake ducts
and not the fairing that goes over the front wheels.
'34 Front Wheel Scoop Reference Volume (RV-FWH-SCO)
RV-FWH-SCO is composed of the following elements
34.1 On a plane through Yw= -6, a circle of radius 220.3mm centred at
[0, 0] and extruded along Yw to Yw=150 retaining only the material
between Zw= 200 and Zw = -100.
34.2 A plane through the following three points:
a. [Xw = 0, 150, 20], [Xw = 50, 150, 20], [Xw = 0, 0, -100]
34.3 Once the plane in 34.2 is defined it must be used to trim the
volume in 34.1 with ALL material below the plane discarded.
34.4 A plane through the following three points:
a. [Xw = 0, 150, 20], [Xw = 100, 150, 200], [Xw = 200, 0, -100]
34.5 Once the plane in 34.4 is defined it must be used to trim the
volume in 34.3 with ALL material inboard of the plane discarded.
The fully defined volume in §34.5 is RV-FWH-SCO.'
To help you, the terms "Xw", "Yw", and "Zw" refer to a coordinate system
for the wheel rather than the one defined for the whole car:
'2.11.3 A Cartesian (Xw, Yw, Zw) coordinate system will be used for each
wheel, defined in the following way:
a. The Xw axis lies on the inboard plane of the wheel rim, passes
through its rotational axis and points in the rearward longitudinal
direction. Xw=0mm is defined to be on the wheel rotational axis. The Xw
axis is parallel to the car centre plane and to the reference plane,
with the wheel in the straight-ahead position and the car at its
legality ride height, as defined in Article 10.1.4.
b. The Yw axis is normal to the inboard plane of the wheel rim and
points towards the car centre plane. Yw=0mm is defined to be on the
inboard plane of the wheel rim. Referring to this coordinate, the terms
“inboard” or “outboard” respectively refer to closer to or further away
from the car centre plane.
c. The Zw axis is normal to both the Xw and Yw axes and points upwards.
Zw=0 is defined to be on the wheel rotational axis.
d. Once the wheel axis system is defined as above, then it maintains a
fixed orientation relative to the suspension upright at all other
suspension articulation points.'
It's tough sledding, but that defines a volume immediately inboard of
each wheel/tire and definitely NOT above it. Zw from -100 to 200
constrains the vertical dimensions to a number below the top of the tire
which would be Zw = 360.
There are times when I hanker for the “suck it and see” days of F1 in the 1960s :-)
On 2022-02-23 6:55 p.m., Mark Jackson wrote:
On 2/23/2022 6:21 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-23 1:55 p.m., Mark Jackson wrote:
On 2/23/2022 4:39 PM, D Munz wrote:
One thing that stood out to me is that the cars are running some kind >>>>> of flap over the front wheels. It looks like a plate attached to the >>>>> shaft on the inside of the wheel that goes up and bends over top half >>>>> of the wheel. Is this some new aero bit in the rules or is it part of >>>>> the measuring package? (I know my description is probably less than
useful. Maybe there is a still image somewhere...)
Pictures here:
https://www.planetf1.com/features/f1-barcelona-track-pictures/
Those are apparently the "front wheel scoops" described in the
technical regulations. Since "rear wheel scoops" are also described
there, but I don't see any being used in the photos, both are
probably optional.
Nope.
The front and rear brake DUCTS aren't up there.
I refer to the SCOOPS described in 3.13.3 of the technical
regulations, which however are complex enough that I might be wrong.
Which article number do *you* believe describs the structures in
question?
The scoops AREN'T described in 3.13.3. They are constrained by 3.13.3.
And if you look at the definition of the legality box into which both
must fit, it is clear that the scoops are the scoops for the brake ducts
and not the fairing that goes over the front wheels.
On 2022-02-23 11:29 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
D Munz wrote:
F1TV has a short day 1 summary video up. Mostly long rage, short
duration shots but still some interesting looks.
One thing that stood out to me is that the cars are running some kind
of flap over the front wheels. It looks like a plate attached to the
shaft on the inside of the wheel that goes up and bends over top half
of the wheel. Is this some new aero bit in the rules or is it part of
the measuring package? (I know my description is probably less than
useful. Maybe there is a still image somewhere...)
"The fairing is to try to connect the tyre squirt to the low pressure
behind the front tyre as it rotates away from the track surface."
They are also been described as "flow deflectors" (accurately) or even
"mudguards" (for what they look like not what they do).
I expect they will make pitstops slightly less smooth. They also add to
the problem of vision created by the larger wheels.
The tires are not even 10% larger (same widths and less than 10% taller
at 660-->720) and neither they nor the "flow deflectors" are in a
direction that the driver spends much time looking. (The wheels aren't
ever in the driver's view).
Most of the deflector is placed where you wouldn't be able to see anyway because immediately behind it from the driver's vantage point because
tire and the rear view mirror support struts are already there. There's
not a lot left to make any impact at all to the driver's vision.
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBJWLDEexDo>
Notice how little you see of the tires. When the apex of the corner
isn't visible, it is the car's bodywork that obscures it. (Also, it's interesting to see that Alonso clearly turns his head more for left
turns than he does for right).
D Munz wrote:
F1TV has a short day 1 summary video up. Mostly long rage, short
duration shots but still some interesting looks.
One thing that stood out to me is that the cars are running some kind
of flap over the front wheels. It looks like a plate attached to the
shaft on the inside of the wheel that goes up and bends over top half
of the wheel. Is this some new aero bit in the rules or is it part of
the measuring package? (I know my description is probably less than
useful. Maybe there is a still image somewhere...)
"The fairing is to try to connect the tyre squirt to the low pressure
behind the front tyre as it rotates away from the track surface."
They are also been described as "flow deflectors" (accurately) or even "mudguards" (for what they look like not what they do).
I expect they will make pitstops slightly less smooth. They also add to
the problem of vision created by the larger wheels.
On 2/23/2022 11:49 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-23 6:55 p.m., Mark Jackson wrote:
On 2/23/2022 6:21 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-23 1:55 p.m., Mark Jackson wrote:
On 2/23/2022 4:39 PM, D Munz wrote:
One thing that stood out to me is that the cars are running some kind >>>>>> of flap over the front wheels. It looks like a plate attached to the >>>>>> shaft on the inside of the wheel that goes up and bends over top half >>>>>> of the wheel. Is this some new aero bit in the rules or is it part of >>>>>> the measuring package? (I know my description is probably less than >>>>>> useful. Maybe there is a still image somewhere...)
Pictures here:
https://www.planetf1.com/features/f1-barcelona-track-pictures/
Those are apparently the "front wheel scoops" described in the
technical regulations. Since "rear wheel scoops" are also
described there, but I don't see any being used in the photos, both
are probably optional.
Nope.
The front and rear brake DUCTS aren't up there.
I refer to the SCOOPS described in 3.13.3 of the technical
regulations, which however are complex enough that I might be wrong.
Which article number do *you* believe describs the structures in
question?
The scoops AREN'T described in 3.13.3. They are constrained by 3.13.3.
And if you look at the definition of the legality box into which both
must fit, it is clear that the scoops are the scoops for the brake
ducts and not the fairing that goes over the front wheels.
I stand corrected.
At https://www.f1technical.net/news/23344 there is a comprehensive
discussion of all of the legality boxes, with illustrations. It's from mid-September, hence not current, but does clarify what the regulations
spell out mathematically. There are some exceptions, which include the legality boxes for the front and rear brake drum deflectors (RS-FWH-DEFL
and RS-RWH-DEFL); these are defined by CAD models - which aren't public unless one has access to the FIA CAD portal. Nonetheless comments near
the end of the article make clear that the front deflectors include the "flaps" inquired about by the OP.
On 2022-02-23 11:29 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
D Munz wrote:
F1TV has a short day 1 summary video up. Mostly long rage, short
duration shots but still some interesting looks.
One thing that stood out to me is that the cars are running some
kind of flap over the front wheels. It looks like a plate
attached to the shaft on the inside of the wheel that goes up and
bends over top half of the wheel. Is this some new aero bit in
the rules or is it part of the measuring package? (I know my
description is probably less than useful. Maybe there is a still
image somewhere...)
"The fairing is to try to connect the tyre squirt to the low
pressure behind the front tyre as it rotates away from the track
surface."
They are also been described as "flow deflectors" (accurately) or
even "mudguards" (for what they look like not what they do).
I expect they will make pitstops slightly less smooth. They also
add to the problem of vision created by the larger wheels.
The tires are not even 10% larger
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-02-23 11:29 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
D Munz wrote:
F1TV has a short day 1 summary video up. Mostly long rage, short
duration shots but still some interesting looks.
One thing that stood out to me is that the cars are running some kind
of flap over the front wheels. It looks like a plate attached to the
shaft on the inside of the wheel that goes up and bends over top half
of the wheel. Is this some new aero bit in the rules or is it part of
the measuring package? (I know my description is probably less than
useful. Maybe there is a still image somewhere...)
"The fairing is to try to connect the tyre squirt to the low pressure
behind the front tyre as it rotates away from the track surface."
They are also been described as "flow deflectors" (accurately) or even
"mudguards" (for what they look like not what they do).
I expect they will make pitstops slightly less smooth. They also add to
the problem of vision created by the larger wheels.
The tires are not even 10% larger (same widths and less than 10% taller
at 660-->720) and neither they nor the "flow deflectors" are in a
direction that the driver spends much time looking. (The wheels aren't
ever in the driver's view).
Most of the deflector is placed where you wouldn't be able to see anyway
because immediately behind it from the driver's vantage point because
tire and the rear view mirror support struts are already there. There's
not a lot left to make any impact at all to the driver's vision.
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBJWLDEexDo>
Notice how little you see of the tires. When the apex of the corner
isn't visible, it is the car's bodywork that obscures it. (Also, it's
interesting to see that Alonso clearly turns his head more for left
turns than he does for right).
https://www.planetf1.com/news/lewis-hamilton-cushion-visibility-joke/
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-23 11:29 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
D Munz wrote:
F1TV has a short day 1 summary video up. Mostly long rage, short
duration shots but still some interesting looks.
One thing that stood out to me is that the cars are running some
kind of flap over the front wheels. It looks like a plate
attached to the shaft on the inside of the wheel that goes up and
bends over top half of the wheel. Is this some new aero bit in
the rules or is it part of the measuring package? (I know my
description is probably less than useful. Maybe there is a still
image somewhere...)
"The fairing is to try to connect the tyre squirt to the low
pressure behind the front tyre as it rotates away from the track
surface."
They are also been described as "flow deflectors" (accurately) or
even "mudguards" (for what they look like not what they do).
I expect they will make pitstops slightly less smooth. They also
add to the problem of vision created by the larger wheels.
The tires are not even 10% larger
Oh STFU, you stupid contrary little tart. Your credibility is below
zero with me.
On 2022-02-24 10:13 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-23 11:29 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
D Munz wrote:
F1TV has a short day 1 summary video up. Mostly long rage,
short duration shots but still some interesting looks.
One thing that stood out to me is that the cars are running
some kind of flap over the front wheels. It looks like a plate attached to the shaft on the inside of the wheel that goes up
and bends over top half of the wheel. Is this some new aero
bit in the rules or is it part of the measuring package? (I
know my description is probably less than useful. Maybe there
is a still image somewhere...)
"The fairing is to try to connect the tyre squirt to the low
pressure behind the front tyre as it rotates away from the track surface."
They are also been described as "flow deflectors" (accurately)
or even "mudguards" (for what they look like not what they do).
I expect they will make pitstops slightly less smooth. They also
add to the problem of vision created by the larger wheels.
The tires are not even 10% larger
Oh STFU, you stupid contrary little tart. Your credibility is below
zero with me.
Says the guy who just snipped the actual sources I provided to show
how little difference the tires make.
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-24 10:13 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-23 11:29 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
D Munz wrote:
F1TV has a short day 1 summary video up. Mostly long rage,
short duration shots but still some interesting looks.
One thing that stood out to me is that the cars are running
some kind of flap over the front wheels. It looks like a plate
attached to the shaft on the inside of the wheel that goes up
and bends over top half of the wheel. Is this some new aero
bit in the rules or is it part of the measuring package? (I
know my description is probably less than useful. Maybe there
is a still image somewhere...)
"The fairing is to try to connect the tyre squirt to the low
pressure behind the front tyre as it rotates away from the track
surface."
They are also been described as "flow deflectors" (accurately)
or even "mudguards" (for what they look like not what they do).
I expect they will make pitstops slightly less smooth. They also
add to the problem of vision created by the larger wheels.
The tires are not even 10% larger
Oh STFU, you stupid contrary little tart. Your credibility is below
zero with me.
Says the guy who just snipped the actual sources I provided to show
how little difference the tires make.
You snipped this...
On 2022-02-24 10:40 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-24 10:13 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-23 11:29 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
D Munz wrote:
F1TV has a short day 1 summary video up. Mostly long rage,
short duration shots but still some interesting looks.
One thing that stood out to me is that the cars are
running some kind of flap over the front wheels. It looks
like a plate attached to the shaft on the inside of the
wheel that goes up and bends over top half of the wheel.
Is this some new aero bit in the rules or is it part of
the measuring package? (I know my description is probably
less than useful. Maybe there is a still image
somewhere...)
"The fairing is to try to connect the tyre squirt to the low pressure behind the front tyre as it rotates away from the
track surface."
They are also been described as "flow deflectors"
(accurately) or even "mudguards" (for what they look like
not what they do). I expect they will make pitstops
slightly less smooth. They also add to the problem of
vision created by the larger wheels.
The tires are not even 10% larger
Oh STFU, you stupid contrary little tart. Your credibility is
below zero with me.
Says the guy who just snipped the actual sources I provided to
show how little difference the tires make.
You snipped this...
Snipped what?
I'm sorry, I'm just a stupid lying cunt
:-)
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-24 10:40 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-24 10:13 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-23 11:29 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
D Munz wrote:
F1TV has a short day 1 summary video up. Mostly long rage,
short duration shots but still some interesting looks.
One thing that stood out to me is that the cars are
running some kind of flap over the front wheels. It looks
like a plate attached to the shaft on the inside of the
wheel that goes up and bends over top half of the wheel.
Is this some new aero bit in the rules or is it part of
the measuring package? (I know my description is probably
less than useful. Maybe there is a still image
somewhere...)
"The fairing is to try to connect the tyre squirt to the low
pressure behind the front tyre as it rotates away from the
track surface."
They are also been described as "flow deflectors"
(accurately) or even "mudguards" (for what they look like
not what they do). I expect they will make pitstops
slightly less smooth. They also add to the problem of
vision created by the larger wheels.
The tires are not even 10% larger
Oh STFU, you stupid contrary little tart. Your credibility is
below zero with me.
Says the guy who just snipped the actual sources I provided to
show how little difference the tires make.
You snipped this...
Snipped what?
I'm sorry, I'm just a stupid lying cunt
:-)
Agreed
:-D
On 2022-02-23 11:29 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
D Munz wrote:
F1TV has a short day 1 summary video up. Mostly long rage, short
duration shots but still some interesting looks.
One thing that stood out to me is that the cars are running some
kind of flap over the front wheels. It looks like a plate
attached to the shaft on the inside of the wheel that goes up and
bends over top half of the wheel. Is this some new aero bit in
the rules or is it part of the measuring package? (I know my
description is probably less than useful. Maybe there is a still
image somewhere...)
"The fairing is to try to connect the tyre squirt to the low
pressure behind the front tyre as it rotates away from the track
surface."
They are also been described as "flow deflectors" (accurately) or
even "mudguards" (for what they look like not what they do).
I expect they will make pitstops slightly less smooth. They also
add to the problem of vision created by the larger wheels.
The tires are not even 10% larger (same widths and less than 10%
taller at 660-->720) and neither they nor the "flow deflectors" are
in a direction that the driver spends much time looking. (The wheels
aren't ever in the driver's view).
Most of the deflector is placed where you wouldn't be able to see
anyway because immediately behind it from the driver's vantage point
because tire and the rear view mirror support struts are already
there. There's not a lot left to make any impact at all to the
driver's vision.
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBJWLDEexDo>
Notice how little you see of the tires. When the apex of the corner
isn't visible, it is the car's bodywork that obscures it. (Also, it's interesting to see that Alonso clearly turns his head more for left
turns than he does for right).
On 2022-02-24 11:30 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-24 10:40 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-24 10:13 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-23 11:29 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
D Munz wrote:
F1TV has a short day 1 summary video up. Mostly long
rage, short duration shots but still some interesting
looks.
One thing that stood out to me is that the cars are
running some kind of flap over the front wheels. It
looks like a plate attached to the shaft on the
inside of the wheel that goes up and bends over top
half of the wheel. Is this some new aero bit in the
rules or is it part of the measuring package? (I know
my description is probably less than useful. Maybe
there is a still image somewhere...)
"The fairing is to try to connect the tyre squirt to
the low pressure behind the front tyre as it rotates
away from the track surface."
They are also been described as "flow deflectors"
(accurately) or even "mudguards" (for what they look
like not what they do). I expect they will make
pitstops slightly less smooth. They also add to the
problem of vision created by the larger wheels.
The tires are not even 10% larger
Oh STFU, you stupid contrary little tart. Your credibility
is below zero with me.
Says the guy who just snipped the actual sources I provided to
show how little difference the tires make.
You snipped this...
Snipped what?
I'm sorry, I'm just a stupid lying cunt
:-)
Agreed
:-D
So let's be clear:
You regularly snip my factual rebuttals.
When I do the same thing to you, you whine like a little girl.
Then when you don't like how your own medicine tastes you
deliberately lie about what I had said...
...while regularly calling me a liar.
Do I have that correct?
In what particulars is any of it wrong?
Will you have the balls to answer any of it?
:-)
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-23 11:29 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
D Munz wrote:
F1TV has a short day 1 summary video up. Mostly long rage, short
duration shots but still some interesting looks.
One thing that stood out to me is that the cars are running some
kind of flap over the front wheels. It looks like a plate
attached to the shaft on the inside of the wheel that goes up and
bends over top half of the wheel. Is this some new aero bit in
the rules or is it part of the measuring package? (I know my
description is probably less than useful. Maybe there is a still
image somewhere...)
"The fairing is to try to connect the tyre squirt to the low
pressure behind the front tyre as it rotates away from the track
surface."
They are also been described as "flow deflectors" (accurately) or
even "mudguards" (for what they look like not what they do).
I expect they will make pitstops slightly less smooth. They also
add to the problem of vision created by the larger wheels.
The tires are not even 10% larger (same widths and less than 10%
taller at 660-->720) and neither they nor the "flow deflectors" are
in a direction that the driver spends much time looking. (The wheels
aren't ever in the driver's view).
Most of the deflector is placed where you wouldn't be able to see
anyway because immediately behind it from the driver's vantage point
because tire and the rear view mirror support struts are already
there. There's not a lot left to make any impact at all to the
driver's vision.
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBJWLDEexDo>
Notice how little you see of the tires. When the apex of the corner
isn't visible, it is the car's bodywork that obscures it. (Also, it's
interesting to see that Alonso clearly turns his head more for left
turns than he does for right).
Stupid boy.
The very first apex is part obscured by the tyre. Add 2" and a flow
deflector and it would be totally obscured.
Hence,
https://www.google.com/search?q=Vettel+can%E2%80%99t+see+the+kerbs
Snip all you like you are still just an argumentative, dishonest,
conceited and intransigent twat.
How can someone be a fan of F1 and understand so little about racing?
On 2022-02-24 11:42 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-23 11:29 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
D Munz wrote:
F1TV has a short day 1 summary video up. Mostly long rage,
short duration shots but still some interesting looks.
One thing that stood out to me is that the cars are running
some kind of flap over the front wheels. It looks like a plate attached to the shaft on the inside of the wheel that goes up
and bends over top half of the wheel. Is this some new aero
bit in the rules or is it part of the measuring package? (I
know my description is probably less than useful. Maybe there
is a still image somewhere...)
"The fairing is to try to connect the tyre squirt to the low
pressure behind the front tyre as it rotates away from the track surface."
They are also been described as "flow deflectors" (accurately)
or even "mudguards" (for what they look like not what they do).
I expect they will make pitstops slightly less smooth. They also
add to the problem of vision created by the larger wheels.
The tires are not even 10% larger (same widths and less than 10%
taller at 660-->720) and neither they nor the "flow deflectors"
are in a direction that the driver spends much time looking. (The
wheels aren't ever in the driver's view).
Most of the deflector is placed where you wouldn't be able to see
anyway because immediately behind it from the driver's vantage
point because tire and the rear view mirror support struts are
already there. There's not a lot left to make any impact at all
to the driver's vision.
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBJWLDEexDo>
Notice how little you see of the tires. When the apex of the
corner isn't visible, it is the car's bodywork that obscures it.
(Also, it's interesting to see that Alonso clearly turns his head
more for left turns than he does for right).
Stupid boy.
The very first apex is part obscured by the tyre. Add 2" and a flow deflector and it would be totally obscured.
Hence,
https://www.google.com/search?q=Vettel+can%E2%80%99t+see+the+kerbs
Snip all you like you are still just an argumentative, dishonest,
conceited and intransigent twat.
Dude...
How can someone be a fan of F1 and understand so little about racing?
On 2022-02-24 12:01 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-24 11:30 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-24 10:40 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-24 10:13 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-23 11:29 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
D Munz wrote:
F1TV has a short day 1 summary video up. Mostly
long rage, short duration shots but still some interesting looks.
One thing that stood out to me is that the cars
are running some kind of flap over the front
wheels. It looks like a plate attached to the
shaft on the inside of the wheel that goes up and
bends over top half of the wheel. Is this some
new aero bit in the rules or is it part of the
measuring package? (I know my description is
probably less than useful. Maybe there is a still
image somewhere...)
"The fairing is to try to connect the tyre squirt to
the low pressure behind the front tyre as it rotates
away from the track surface."
They are also been described as "flow deflectors" (accurately) or even "mudguards" (for what they look
like not what they do). I expect they will make
pitstops slightly less smooth. They also add to the
problem of vision created by the larger wheels.
The tires are not even 10% larger
Oh STFU, you stupid contrary little tart. Your
credibility is below zero with me.
Says the guy who just snipped the actual sources I
provided to show how little difference the tires make.
You snipped this...
Snipped what?
I'm sorry, I'm just a stupid lying cunt
:-)
Agreed
:-D
So let's be clear:
You regularly snip my factual rebuttals.
When I do the same thing to you, you whine like a little girl.
Then when you don't like how your own medicine tastes you
deliberately lie about what I had said...
...while regularly calling me a liar.
Do I have that correct?
In what particulars is any of it wrong?
Will you have the balls to answer any of it?
:-)
No, you are a liar.
So what parts of what I wrote were lies, Liarboy?
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-24 12:01 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-24 11:30 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-24 10:40 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-24 10:13 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-23 11:29 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
D Munz wrote:
F1TV has a short day 1 summary video up. Mostly
long rage, short duration shots but still some
interesting looks.
One thing that stood out to me is that the cars
are running some kind of flap over the front
wheels. It looks like a plate attached to the
shaft on the inside of the wheel that goes up and
bends over top half of the wheel. Is this some
new aero bit in the rules or is it part of the
measuring package? (I know my description is
probably less than useful. Maybe there is a still
image somewhere...)
"The fairing is to try to connect the tyre squirt to
the low pressure behind the front tyre as it rotates
away from the track surface."
They are also been described as "flow deflectors"
(accurately) or even "mudguards" (for what they look
like not what they do). I expect they will make
pitstops slightly less smooth. They also add to the
problem of vision created by the larger wheels.
The tires are not even 10% larger
Oh STFU, you stupid contrary little tart. Your
credibility is below zero with me.
Says the guy who just snipped the actual sources I
provided to show how little difference the tires make.
You snipped this...
Snipped what?
I'm sorry, I'm just a stupid lying cunt
:-)
Agreed
:-D
So let's be clear:
You regularly snip my factual rebuttals.
When I do the same thing to you, you whine like a little girl.
Then when you don't like how your own medicine tastes you
deliberately lie about what I had said...
...while regularly calling me a liar.
Do I have that correct?
In what particulars is any of it wrong?
Will you have the balls to answer any of it?
:-)
No, you are a liar.
So what parts of what I wrote were lies, Liarboy?
Well for a start I chose not to quote your irrelevant nonsense while
you chose to snip that which proved the unquoted nonsense was nonsense
then attempted to pretend you had not seen it.
Secondly, I simply wrote "you snipped this"... as you regularly
complain when I do not needlessly quote every word of your posts it
seems you are describing your reaction as "whining like a little girl"
as that can hardly be attributed to what I did.
Thirdly, just because a comment contains a single piece of factual data
does not make the comment factual... especially when it has been shown
to be nonsense.
Fourthly, even truly factual comments may not always be relevant to
what someone chooses to discuss.
In short, stop "whining like a little girl" and accept you were wrong.
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-24 11:42 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-23 11:29 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
D Munz wrote:
F1TV has a short day 1 summary video up. Mostly long rage,
short duration shots but still some interesting looks.
One thing that stood out to me is that the cars are
running some kind of flap over the front wheels. It looks
like a plate attached to the shaft on the inside of the
wheel that goes up and bends over top half of the wheel. Is
this some new aero bit in the rules or is it part of the
measuring package? (I know my description is probably less
than useful. Maybe there is a still image somewhere...)
"The fairing is to try to connect the tyre squirt to the low
pressure behind the front tyre as it rotates away from the
track surface."
They are also been described as "flow deflectors"
(accurately) or even "mudguards" (for what they look like not
what they do). I expect they will make pitstops slightly less
smooth. They also add to the problem of vision created by the
larger wheels.
The tires are not even 10% larger (same widths and less than
10% taller at 660-->720) and neither they nor the "flow
deflectors" are in a direction that the driver spends much time
looking. (The wheels aren't ever in the driver's view).
Most of the deflector is placed where you wouldn't be able to
see anyway because immediately behind it from the driver's
vantage point because tire and the rear view mirror support
struts are already there. There's not a lot left to make any
impact at all to the driver's vision.
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBJWLDEexDo>
Notice how little you see of the tires. When the apex of the
corner isn't visible, it is the car's bodywork that obscures
it. (Also, it's interesting to see that Alonso clearly turns
his head more for left turns than he does for right).
Stupid boy.
The very first apex is part obscured by the tyre. Add 2" and a
flow deflector and it would be totally obscured.
Hence,
https://www.google.com/search?q=Vettel+can%E2%80%99t+see+the+kerbs
Snip all you like you are still just an argumentative, dishonest,
conceited and intransigent twat.
Dude...
How can someone be a fan of F1 and understand so little about
racing?
https://www.google.com/search?q=Vettel+can%E2%80%99t+see+the+kerbs
Whinny little girl, how can you pretend your personal knowledge of
racing gives you special insight when your ignorance is always front
and center.
Yes: when the car is nearly at the apex of that very tight turn, a
tiny bit of it does disappear behind the tire... ...as the rest of
it disappears behind the bodywork...
...but the driver isn't LOOKING THERE ANYMORE.
<https://racers360.com/education/vision-on-the-racetrack/>
And coming back to the Alonso video:
Through all of Eau Rouge/Raddilon: all the apexes disappear behind
the body work.
All through Les Combes: same thing.
Bruxelle: same
Turn 11: same
Pouhon: same
And all the rest the same until you get to the chicane before the
start/finish straight...
...when once again some part of the apex disappears behind the
tires...
...when the driver is no longer looking at it.
On 2022-02-25 1:49 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-24 11:42 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-23 11:29 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
D Munz wrote:
F1TV has a short day 1 summary video up. Mostly long
rage, short duration shots but still some interesting
looks.
One thing that stood out to me is that the cars are
running some kind of flap over the front wheels. It looks
like a plate attached to the shaft on the inside of the
wheel that goes up and bends over top half of the wheel.
Is this some new aero bit in the rules or is it part of
the measuring package? (I know my description is probably
less than useful. Maybe there is a still image
somewhere...)
"The fairing is to try to connect the tyre squirt to the
low pressure behind the front tyre as it rotates away from
the track surface."
They are also been described as "flow deflectors"
(accurately) or even "mudguards" (for what they look like
not what they do). I expect they will make pitstops
slightly less smooth. They also add to the problem of
vision created by the larger wheels.
The tires are not even 10% larger (same widths and less than
10% taller at 660-->720) and neither they nor the "flow
deflectors" are in a direction that the driver spends much
time looking. (The wheels aren't ever in the driver's view).
Most of the deflector is placed where you wouldn't be able to
see anyway because immediately behind it from the driver's
vantage point because tire and the rear view mirror support
struts are already there. There's not a lot left to make any
impact at all to the driver's vision.
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBJWLDEexDo>
Notice how little you see of the tires. When the apex of the
corner isn't visible, it is the car's bodywork that obscures
it. (Also, it's interesting to see that Alonso clearly turns
his head more for left turns than he does for right).
Stupid boy.
The very first apex is part obscured by the tyre. Add 2" and a
flow deflector and it would be totally obscured.
Hence,
Snip all you like you are still just an argumentative, dishonest,
conceited and intransigent twat.
Dude...
How can someone be a fan of F1 and understand so little about
racing?
https://www.google.com/search?q=Vettel+can%E2%80%99t+see+the+kerbs
Whinny little girl, how can you pretend your personal knowledge of
racing gives you special insight when your ignorance is always
front and center.
You snipped all of this (for clarity, I put it back, quoted)
Yes: when the car is nearly at the apex of that very tight turn, a
tiny bit of it does disappear behind the tire... ...as the rest of
it disappears behind the bodywork...
...but the driver isn't LOOKING THERE ANYMORE.
<https://racers360.com/education/vision-on-the-racetrack/>
And coming back to the Alonso video:
Through all of Eau Rouge/Raddilon: all the apexes disappear behind
the body work.
All through Les Combes: same thing.
Bruxelle: same
Turn 11: same
Pouhon: same
And all the rest the same until you get to the chicane before the start/finish straight...
...when once again some part of the apex disappears behind the
tires...
...when the driver is no longer looking at it.
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-25 1:49 p.m., Bigbird wrote:https://www.google.com/search?q=Vettel+can%E2%80%99t+see+the+kerbs
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-24 11:42 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-23 11:29 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
D Munz wrote:
F1TV has a short day 1 summary video up. Mostly long
rage, short duration shots but still some interesting
looks.
One thing that stood out to me is that the cars are
running some kind of flap over the front wheels. It looks
like a plate attached to the shaft on the inside of the
wheel that goes up and bends over top half of the wheel.
Is this some new aero bit in the rules or is it part of
the measuring package? (I know my description is probably
less than useful. Maybe there is a still image
somewhere...)
"The fairing is to try to connect the tyre squirt to the
low pressure behind the front tyre as it rotates away from
the track surface."
They are also been described as "flow deflectors"
(accurately) or even "mudguards" (for what they look like
not what they do). I expect they will make pitstops
slightly less smooth. They also add to the problem of
vision created by the larger wheels.
The tires are not even 10% larger (same widths and less than
10% taller at 660-->720) and neither they nor the "flow
deflectors" are in a direction that the driver spends much
time looking. (The wheels aren't ever in the driver's view).
Most of the deflector is placed where you wouldn't be able to
see anyway because immediately behind it from the driver's
vantage point because tire and the rear view mirror support
struts are already there. There's not a lot left to make any
impact at all to the driver's vision.
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBJWLDEexDo>
Notice how little you see of the tires. When the apex of the
corner isn't visible, it is the car's bodywork that obscures
it. (Also, it's interesting to see that Alonso clearly turns
his head more for left turns than he does for right).
Stupid boy.
The very first apex is part obscured by the tyre. Add 2" and a
flow deflector and it would be totally obscured.
Hence,
Snip all you like you are still just an argumentative, dishonest,
conceited and intransigent twat.
Dude...
How can someone be a fan of F1 and understand so little about
racing?
https://www.google.com/search?q=Vettel+can%E2%80%99t+see+the+kerbs
Whinny little girl, how can you pretend your personal knowledge of
racing gives you special insight when your ignorance is always
front and center.
You snipped all of this (for clarity, I put it back, quoted)
Yes: when the car is nearly at the apex of that very tight turn, a
tiny bit of it does disappear behind the tire... ...as the rest of
it disappears behind the bodywork...
...but the driver isn't LOOKING THERE ANYMORE.
<https://racers360.com/education/vision-on-the-racetrack/>
And coming back to the Alonso video:
Through all of Eau Rouge/Raddilon: all the apexes disappear behind
the body work.
All through Les Combes: same thing.
Bruxelle: same
Turn 11: same
Pouhon: same
And all the rest the same until you get to the chicane before the
start/finish straight...
...when once again some part of the apex disappears behind the
tires...
...when the driver is no longer looking at it.
You can stop whining like a little girl. I didn't delete your post
above.
You didn't "put anything back" or clarify anything.
Why not actually try and learn a little something from someone who has actually been on a race track, has won races, has won championships and
who was chosen by the best racers at his club (some with careers
spanning more than 40 years) to be a race driving instructor?
On 2022-02-25 1:46 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
Well for a start I chose not to quote your irrelevant nonsense while
you chose to snip that which proved the unquoted nonsense was
nonsense then attempted to pretend you had not seen it.
What is the difference between "chose not to quote" and "chose to
snip"?
And no, it didn't prove anything about what I had provided.
Secondly, I simply wrote "you snipped this"... as you regularly
complain when I do not needlessly quote every word of your posts it
seems you are describing your reaction as "whining like a little
girl" as that can hardly be attributed to what I did.
Ah, the "man" who likes to call people names whines like a little
girl when someone returns the favour.
:-)
Thirdly, just because a comment contains a single piece of factual
data does not make the comment factual... especially when it has
been shown to be nonsense.
But that would actual require a rebuttal...
...not just calling it a lie.
Fourthly, even truly factual comments may not always be relevant to
what someone chooses to discuss.
In short, stop "whining like a little girl" and accept you were
wrong.
I'm not wrong.
You clearly have very little clue about racing cars, racing drivers...
...basically you're a clueless little fangirl.
On 2022-02-25 2:10 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
You're lying, you whiny girl.
You replied to my original post with the text about other corners at
Spa and you removed everything that came after:
"How can someone be a fan of F1 and understand so little about
racing?"
Why not actually try and learn a little something from someone who
has actually been on a race track, has won races, has won
championships and who was chosen by the best racers at his club (some
with careers spanning more than 40 years) to be a race driving
instructor?
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-25 2:10 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
You're lying, you whiny girl.
No, You are.
You replied to my original post with the text about other corners at
Spa and you removed everything that came after:
I never denied it.
Try, for once, comprehending before replying; you may look less stupid.
"How can someone be a fan of F1 and understand so little about
racing?"
Why not actually try and learn a little something from someone who
has actually been on a race track, has won races, has won
championships and who was chosen by the best racers at his club (some
with careers spanning more than 40 years) to be a race driving
instructor?
If you mean you that would be because you are constantly either talking nonsense or lying; neither are conducive to learning about a subject.
Why don't you learn something by not being a dishonest, conceited prick.
On 2022-02-25 4:01 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-25 2:10 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
You're lying, you whiny girl.
No, You are.
You replied to my original post with the text about other corners
at Spa and you removed everything that came after:
I never denied it.
'You didn't "put anything back" or clarify anything.'
Try, for once, comprehending before replying; you may look less
stupid.
'You didn't "put anything back" or clarify anything.'
"How can someone be a fan of F1 and understand so little about
racing?"
Why not actually try and learn a little something from someone who
has actually been on a race track, has won races, has won
championships and who was chosen by the best racers at his club
(some with careers spanning more than 40 years) to be a race
driving instructor?
If you mean you that would be because you are constantly either
talking nonsense or lying; neither are conducive to learning about
a subject.
Why don't you learn something by not being a dishonest, conceited
prick.
'You didn't "put anything back" or clarify anything.'
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-25 4:01 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-25 2:10 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
You're lying, you whiny girl.
No, You are.
You replied to my original post with the text about other corners
at Spa and you removed everything that came after:
I never denied it.
'You didn't "put anything back" or clarify anything.'
True.
Still you lying.
I did put back what you had snipped.
On 2022-02-26 2:02 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
You replied to my original post with the text about other
corners at Spa and you removed everything that came after:
I never denied it.
'You didn't "put anything back" or clarify anything.'
True.
Still you lying.
I did put back what you had snipped.
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