• Re: If Stewards institutionalize this 'wrong-with-right-to-defend' rubr

    From Alan Baker@21:1/5 to News on Wed Sep 22 10:57:15 2021
    On 2021-09-22 10:28 a.m., News wrote:
    And Liberty wonder why race crowds are in decline?

    No.

    You clearly don't understand how the whole thing works.

    What Hamilton did was only possible because this was an incredibly tight chicane...

    ...and it was only possible because of how late Verstappen got to
    partially alongside Hamilton.

    In a normal linked corner situation, the driver in front has to pick a
    side to defend.

    If he picks the inside, and the overtaking driver establishes his
    position early enough, the overtaking driver will have the inside
    position for the second apex, but he'll be compromised on the radius he
    can use for the second bend because he has to enter from too far to the
    inside and exit the corner while leaving room for the car he's
    attempting to overtake on the outside (if the car ahead has to leave
    racing room for a car attempting an overtake, then obviously the car
    making the attempt is obliged to do so as well). So while the overtaking
    driver will have a good positional situation, the driver ahead will
    still have a chance to stay ahead because he gets to take the second
    bend with a greater radius through the corner.

    None of what you said applies if the overtaking driver gets into an
    overlapped position early enough.

    Which is why I think there actually should have been a penalty to
    Verstappen on the first lap incident at turn 4/5. Hamilton was fully
    along side as the braked into the first apex, so (IMNSHO) Verstappen
    should have left him a car's width to his right, rather than leaving no
    space at all.

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  • From texas gate@21:1/5 to Alan Baker on Wed Sep 22 12:15:53 2021
    On Wednesday, September 22, 2021 at 11:57:19 AM UTC-6, Alan Baker wrote:

    No.

    You clearly don't understand how the whole thing works.

    What Hamilton did was only possible because this was an incredibly tight chicane...

    ...and it was only possible because of how late Verstappen got to
    partially alongside Hamilton.

    In a normal linked corner situation, the driver in front has to pick a
    side to defend.

    If he picks the inside, and the overtaking driver establishes his
    position early enough, the overtaking driver will have the inside
    position for the second apex, but he'll be compromised on the radius he
    can use for the second bend because he has to enter from too far to the inside and exit the corner while leaving room for the car he's
    attempting to overtake on the outside (if the car ahead has to leave
    racing room for a car attempting an overtake, then obviously the car
    making the attempt is obliged to do so as well). So while the overtaking driver will have a good positional situation, the driver ahead will
    still have a chance to stay ahead because he gets to take the second
    bend with a greater radius through the corner.

    None of what you said applies if the overtaking driver gets into an overlapped position early enough.

    Which is why I think there actually should have been a penalty to
    Verstappen on the first lap incident at turn 4/5. Hamilton was fully
    along side as the braked into the first apex, so (IMNSHO) Verstappen
    should have left him a car's width to his right, rather than leaving no
    space at all.

    yawn

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  • From News@21:1/5 to geoff on Wed Sep 22 16:53:21 2021
    On 9/22/2021 4:34 PM, geoff wrote:
    On 23/09/2021 5:28 am, News wrote:
    And Liberty wonder why race crowds are in decline?

    Nothing to do with Liberty.

    http://libertymedia.com/pdfs/Formula%201%20Fact%20Sheet%202021.pdf

    http://libertymedia.com/pdfs/Digital%20Fact%20Sheet%20-%20Jan%202021.pdf

    Watch it tank.

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  • From geoff@21:1/5 to News on Thu Sep 23 08:34:45 2021
    On 23/09/2021 5:28 am, News wrote:
    And Liberty wonder why race crowds are in decline?

    Nothing to do with Liberty.

    And your assertion is wrong anyway.

    geoff

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  • From geoff@21:1/5 to News on Thu Sep 23 11:28:39 2021
    On 23/09/2021 8:53 am, News wrote:
    On 9/22/2021 4:34 PM, geoff wrote:
    On 23/09/2021 5:28 am, News wrote:
    And Liberty wonder why race crowds are in decline?

    Nothing to do with Liberty.

    http://libertymedia.com/pdfs/Formula%201%20Fact%20Sheet%202021.pdf

    http://libertymedia.com/pdfs/Digital%20Fact%20Sheet%20-%20Jan%202021.pdf

    Watch it tank


    Is this somehow supposed to explain that Liberty Media create the rules
    for F1 racing ?

    And that your summation of this particular incident is accurate ?

    geoff

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  • From texas gate@21:1/5 to geoff on Wed Sep 22 21:13:48 2021
    On Wednesday, September 22, 2021 at 5:28:50 PM UTC-6, geoff wrote:

    Is this somehow supposed to explain that Liberty Media create the rules
    for F1 racing ?

    And that your summation of this particular incident is accurate ?

    lol

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  • From texas gate@21:1/5 to geoff on Wed Sep 22 23:08:19 2021
    On Wednesday, September 22, 2021 at 5:28:50 PM UTC-6, geoff wrote:

    And that your summation of this particular incident is accurate ?

    lol

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  • From News@21:1/5 to geoff on Thu Sep 23 09:19:57 2021
    On 9/22/2021 7:28 PM, geoff wrote:
    On 23/09/2021 8:53 am, News wrote:
    On 9/22/2021 4:34 PM, geoff wrote:
    On 23/09/2021 5:28 am, News wrote:
    And Liberty wonder why race crowds are in decline?

    Nothing to do with Liberty.

    http://libertymedia.com/pdfs/Formula%201%20Fact%20Sheet%202021.pdf

    http://libertymedia.com/pdfs/Digital%20Fact%20Sheet%20-%20Jan%202021.pdf

    Watch it tank


    Is this somehow supposed to explain that Liberty Media create the rules
    for F1 racing ?

    And that your summation of this particular incident is accurate ?

    geoff


    When are you going to wake up? Liberty already shyte the bed.

    https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/81322/liberty-media-on-sprint-racing-working-on-final-details.html

    Just as obvious the Stewards work for Liberty now.

    https://vimeo.com/235412480

    'So fucking stay awake.'

    As the F1 'spectacle' further degrades to irrelevance.

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  • From Alan Baker@21:1/5 to News on Thu Sep 23 12:19:20 2021
    On 2021-09-23 6:19 a.m., News wrote:
    On 9/22/2021 7:28 PM, geoff wrote:
    On 23/09/2021 8:53 am, News wrote:
    On 9/22/2021 4:34 PM, geoff wrote:
    On 23/09/2021 5:28 am, News wrote:
    And Liberty wonder why race crowds are in decline?

    Nothing to do with Liberty.

    http://libertymedia.com/pdfs/Formula%201%20Fact%20Sheet%202021.pdf

    http://libertymedia.com/pdfs/Digital%20Fact%20Sheet%20-%20Jan%202021.pdf >>>
    Watch it tank


    Is this somehow supposed to explain that Liberty Media create the
    rules for F1 racing ?

    And that your summation of this particular incident is accurate ?

    geoff


    When are you going to wake up? Liberty already shyte the bed.

    https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/81322/liberty-media-on-sprint-racing-working-on-final-details.html


    Just as obvious the Stewards work for Liberty now.

    In what way is that "obvious"?

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