Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the effect of the of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.
The best four wheel racing in the world is paused for now.
Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the effect of the of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 10:47:44 AM UTC-8, XYXPDQ wrote:
Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the effect of
the of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.
Everyone talks about the aero package for good reason, but the wheel
and tire package may have an outsized influence. The first link in
the suspension system is the tires sidewall. Since there are no
shocks as such side wall flex is very important in absoring shock
loading when hitting a curb or just bumps in the track surface. The
new tires have much shorter sidewalls so how will that energy be
absorbed without over stressing the car.
Wow.
There is so much wrong in one paragraph, and one thing that is right,
but not for all the wrong reasons presented.
There is so much wrong in one paragraph, and one thing that is right,
but not for all the wrong reasons presented.
Wow.
However!
On 2022-01-11 10:52 a.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 10:47:44 AM UTC-8, XYXPDQ wrote:
Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the effect of
the of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.
Everyone talks about the aero package for good reason, but the wheelWow.
and tire package may have an outsized influence. The first link in
the suspension system is the tires sidewall. Since there are no
shocks as such side wall flex is very important in absoring shock
loading when hitting a curb or just bumps in the track surface. The
new tires have much shorter sidewalls so how will that energy be
absorbed without over stressing the car.
There is so much wrong in one paragraph, and one thing that is right,
but not for all the wrong reasons presented.
The thing that is right is that this will have a profound effect on the design of the suspension.
However!
"Since there are no shocks as such"
1. They're called "dampers" not "shock[ absorber]s" and there is a very
good reason for that. They never did absorb shocks. Read any serious
treatise on suspension and you'll learn that.
2. There most certainly ARE dampers in the system. The purpose of
dampers is to take energy out of the suspension (in the form of heat),
so that the suspension doesn't continue to oscillate after encountering
a bump.
3. The part about "over stressing" the car is the easiest to deal with.
The designers are more than able to calculate the forces put into the
tires, suspension components and chassis.
What the difference that new wheel/tire package will make is that the
actual suspension of the car will need to do more of the compliance over bumps and less of it will be done in the flexing of the sidewalls (which
both act as springs and have damping in the form of hysteresis in the compound).
The suspension engineers will have to throw out what they've understood
about how much compliance over the road irregularities comes from the
tire and learn how much more they'll need to build into the traditional springs and dampers.
However!
On 2022-01-11 10:52 a.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 10:47:44 AM UTC-8, XYXPDQ wrote:
Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the effect of
the of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.
Everyone talks about the aero package for good reason, but the wheel
and tire package may have an outsized influence. The first link in
the suspension system is the tires sidewall. Since there are no
shocks as such side wall flex is very important in absoring shock
loading when hitting a curb or just bumps in the track surface. The
new tires have much shorter sidewalls so how will that energy be
absorbed without over stressing the car.
Wow.
In article <srknqt$1c4b$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Alan says...
On 2022-01-11 10:52 a.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 10:47:44 AM UTC-8, XYXPDQ wrote:
Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the effect of
the of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.
Everyone talks about the aero package for good reason, but the wheel
and tire package may have an outsized influence. The first link in
the suspension system is the tires sidewall. Since there are no
shocks as such side wall flex is very important in absoring shock
loading when hitting a curb or just bumps in the track surface. The
new tires have much shorter sidewalls so how will that energy be
absorbed without over stressing the car.
Wow.
Proper dick response.
There's no shocks, they're called dampers.
Which is what I told him.
What do you think will be the result of the new aero rules? They're
supposed to make it easier to overtake by letting the following car
run closer with out washing out the front tires. So will it work and
will any of the also rans (aka not Merc and Red Bull) sow up at
testing with a better mousetrap?
What do you think will be the result of the new aero rules? They're supposed to make it easier to overtake by letting the following car run closer with out washing out the front tires. So will it work and will any of the also rans (aka not Merc andRed Bull) sow up at testing with a better mousetrap?
On 2022-01-14 11:07 a.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
What do you think will be the result of the new aero rules? They're supposed to make it easier to overtake by letting the following carI think that the FIA has a bunch of clever people working for them who understand the problem...
run closer with out washing out the front tires. So will it work and
will any of the also rans (aka not Merc and Red Bull) sow up at
testing with a better mousetrap?
...but the F1 teams have the cleverest people working in motorsports,
and more of them.
Yes: the rule changes will help... ...some.
But the chances are very good that the engineering staff of the teams
will find ways to design the cars that subvert the changes at least to
some degree.
Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the effect of the of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 10:47:44 AM UTC-8, XYXPDQ wrote:aero changes.
Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the effect of the of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.
Have they finalized the whole business (to the extent anything is final in F1) with track limits? Last I saw they were going to enforce the white line all the way around. If they do that it'll more than counter any gain in passing from the tire and
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 10:47:44 AM UTC-8, XYXPDQ wrote:
Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the effect of
the of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.
Have they finalized the whole business (to the extent anything is
final in F1) with track limits? Last I saw they were going to
enforce the white line all the way around. If they do that it'll
more than counter any gain in passing from the tire and aero
changes.
On 2022-01-17 1:02 a.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 10:47:44 AM UTC-8, XYXPDQ wrote:
Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the effect of
the of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.
Have they finalized the whole business (to the extent anything isHow do you figure that?
final in F1) with track limits? Last I saw they were going to
enforce the white line all the way around. If they do that it'll
more than counter any gain in passing from the tire and aero
changes.
On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 4:35:42 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
On 2022-01-17 1:02 a.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 10:47:44 AM UTC-8, XYXPDQ wrote:How do you figure that?
Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the effect of
the of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.
Have they finalized the whole business (to the extent anything is
final in F1) with track limits? Last I saw they were going to
enforce the white line all the way around. If they do that it'll
more than counter any gain in passing from the tire and aero
changes.
Because a lot of corners/chicanes/curves where passing might be possible are simplely to narrow/tight for two cars to fit between the lines when driving at speed.
And no one is proposing that all four tires be kept within the white lines.
Enforcing the white line rule "all the way around" means not just
looking at certain points on the track to see if cars put ALL their
tires off the track.
And no one is proposing that all four tires be kept within the white lines.
Enforcing the white line rule "all the way around" means not just
looking at certain points on the track to see if cars put ALL their
tires off the track.
On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 3:48:35 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
And no one is proposing that all four tires be kept within the white lines. >>
Enforcing the white line rule "all the way around" means not just
looking at certain points on the track to see if cars put ALL their
tires off the track.
you are anti racing
anti passing
you have no credibility
you hate it all
why are you involved the sport?
Because a lot of corners/chicanes/curves where passing might be possible are simplely to narrow/tight for two cars to fit between the lines when driving at speed.And no one is proposing that all four tires be kept within the white lines.
Enforcing the white line rule "all the way around" means not just
looking at certain points on the track to see if cars put ALL their
tires off the track.
Because a lot of corners/chicanes/curves where passing might beAnd no one is proposing that all four tires be kept within the
possible are simplely to narrow/tight for two cars to fit between
the lines when driving at speed.
white lines.
Enforcing the white line rule "all the way around" means not just
looking at certain points on the track to see if cars put ALL their
tires off the track.
Yes, and if the cars weren't so oversized that wouldn't be a problem.
Eh? Cars don't race outside the lines because of their size.
Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the effect
of the of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.
On 2022-01-09, XYXPDQ <qwrt...@gmail.com> wrote:
Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the effectI'm seriously hoping that Ferrari turns out with a better car for this season. I really want to see Leclerc v. Verstappen this year. I think
of the of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.
both are very, very talented and it could be entertaining to watch.
Also, I really want the season to start already so that all this HAM
talk stops.
--
Give them an inch and they will take a mile.
--
gemini://rtr.kalayaan.xyz
On Wednesday, January 26, 2022 at 5:42:49 AM UTC-8, rtr wrote:
On 2022-01-09, XYXPDQ <qwrt...@gmail.com> wrote:
Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the effectI'm seriously hoping that Ferrari turns out with a better car for this
of the of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.
season. I really want to see Leclerc v. Verstappen this year. I think
both are very, very talented and it could be entertaining to watch.
Also, I really want the season to start already so that all this HAM
talk stops.
It'd be nice if there was a third team that was competitive
for the WCC & WDC.
It'd be nice if there was a third team that was competitiveThat is true. I know this is a long shot but Alonso in a competitive
for the WCC & WDC.
Alpine would be very cool.
--
Give them an inch and they will take a mile.
--
gemini://rtr.kalayaan.xyz
It'd be nice if there was a third team that was competitiveThat is true. I know this is a long shot but Alonso in a
for the WCC & WDC.
competitive Alpine would be very cool.
--
Give them an inch and they will take a mile.
--
gemini://rtr.kalayaan.xyz
Alpine is the hardest team to understand. They build the engines and
the car and have good drivers, yet they seem happy to just run in the
midpack with the customer teams.
It'd be nice if there was a third team that was competitiveThat is true. I know this is a long shot but Alonso in a
for the WCC & WDC.
competitive Alpine would be very cool.
--
Give them an inch and they will take a mile.
--
gemini://rtr.kalayaan.xyz
Alpine is the hardest team to understand. They build the engines and
the car and have good drivers, yet they seem happy to just run in the
midpack with the customer teams.
XYXPDQ wrote:
It'd be nice if there was a third team that was competitiveThat is true. I know this is a long shot but Alonso in a
for the WCC & WDC.
competitive Alpine would be very cool.
--
Give them an inch and they will take a mile.
--
gemini://rtr.kalayaan.xyz
Alpine is the hardest team to understand. They build the engines and"Alpine want to be contending for wins and titles in Formula 1 by the
the car and have good drivers, yet they seem happy to just run in the midpack with the customer teams.
end of 2024 at the latest, according to the brand’s CEO Laurent Rossi."
https://www.planetf1.com/news/alpine-f1-title-challenger-timeline/
--
Bozo bin
Felicity
George R
Irving S
Texasgate
Enjoy!
It'd be nice if there was a third team that was competitiveThat is true. I know this is a long shot but Alonso in a competitive
for the WCC & WDC.
Alpine would be very cool.
Alpine is the hardest team to understand. They build the engines
and the car and have good drivers, yet they seem happy to just
run in the midpack with the customer teams.
On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 3:23:14 AM UTC-8, Bigbird wrote:
XYXPDQ wrote:
It'd be nice if there was a third team that was competitiveThat is true. I know this is a long shot but Alonso in a
for the WCC & WDC.
competitive Alpine would be very cool.
--
Give them an inch and they will take a mile.
--
gemini://rtr.kalayaan.xyz
Alpine is the hardest team to understand. They build the engines"Alpine want to be contending for wins and titles in Formula 1 by
and the car and have good drivers, yet they seem happy to just
run in the midpack with the customer teams.
the end of 2024 at the latest, according to the brand’s CEO Laurent Rossi."
https://www.planetf1.com/news/alpine-f1-title-challenger-timeline/
--
Bozo bin
Felicity
George R
Irving S
Texasgate
Enjoy!
So what were/are they doing then/now?
It'd be nice if there was a third team that was competitiveThat is true. I know this is a long shot but Alonso in a competitive
for the WCC & WDC.
Alpine would be very cool.
--
Give them an inch and they will take a mile.
--
gemini://rtr.kalayaan.xyz
Alpine is the hardest team to understand. They build the engines and the
car and have good drivers, yet they seem happy to just run in the midpack with the customer teams.
On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the effect of the of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.
The best four wheel racing in the world is paused for now.
When the new season starts I'll be looking forward to more of the same.
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot wrote:
On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the effect of the of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.The best four wheel racing in the world is paused for now.
When the new season starts I'll be looking forward to more of the same.
Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began in Monte Carlo. Also using new cars.
On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot wrote:
On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the effect of theThe best four wheel racing in the world is paused for now.
of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.
When the new season starts I'll be looking forward to more of the same.
Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began in Monte Carlo.
Also using new cars.
There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.
None.
It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing rally cars
never do is race.
Racing happens when cars compete for position.
Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot wrote:
On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began in Monte Carlo.
Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the effect of the >>>>> of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.The best four wheel racing in the world is paused for now.
When the new season starts I'll be looking forward to more of the same. >>>
Also using new cars.
There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.
None.
It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing rally cars
never do is race.
Racing happens when cars compete for position.
Cars “compete for position” in the WRC surely?
On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot wrote:
On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the effect
of the of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.
The best four wheel racing in the world is paused for now.
When the new season starts I'll be looking forward to more of the
same.
Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began in Monte
Carlo. Also using new cars.
There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.
None.
It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing rally cars
never do is race.
Racing happens when cars compete for position.
On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot wrote:
On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began in Monte Carlo. >>>> Also using new cars.
Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the effect of the >>>>>> of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.The best four wheel racing in the world is paused for now.
When the new season starts I'll be looking forward to more of the same. >>>>
There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.
None.
It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing rally cars
never do is race.
Racing happens when cars compete for position.
Cars “compete for position” in the WRC surely?
No, they compete for 'time'.
There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.
None.
It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing rally cars
never do is race.
Racing happens when cars compete for position.
Anyway back to watching the Olympics and all those competitors
(apparently not) racing down the mountain.
;-)
There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.
None.
It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing rally cars
never do is race.
Racing happens when cars compete for position.
Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot wrote:
On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began in Monte Carlo.
Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the effect of the >>>>> of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.The best four wheel racing in the world is paused for now.
When the new season starts I'll be looking forward to more of the same. >>>
Also using new cars.
There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.
None.
It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing rally cars
never do is race.
Racing happens when cars compete for position.
Cars “compete for position” in the WRC surely?
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot wrote:
On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the effectThe best four wheel racing in the world is paused for now.
of the of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.
When the new season starts I'll be looking forward to more of the
same.
Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began in Monte
Carlo. Also using new cars.
There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.
None.
It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing rally cars
never do is race.
Racing happens when cars compete for position.
Sorry, you're wrong.
You attempt to redefine racing but do more to define stupidity.
Rallying is a race against the clock for position.
Anyway back to watching the Olympics and all those competitors
(apparently not) racing down the mountain.
geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:And the car that achieves the best “time” gets the top “position”, which is
Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot wrote:
On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began in Monte Carlo. >>>>> Also using new cars.
Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the effect of the >>>>>>> of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.The best four wheel racing in the world is paused for now.
When the new season starts I'll be looking forward to more of the same. >>>>>
There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.
None.
It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing rally cars
never do is race.
Racing happens when cars compete for position.
Cars “compete for position” in the WRC surely?
No, they compete for 'time'.
what they are interested in.
...so I should know.
I used to be a ski racer...
I used to be a ski racer...
...so I should know.
On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:And the car that achieves the best “time” gets the top “position”, >> which is
Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot wrote:
On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the effect >>>>>>>> of theThe best four wheel racing in the world is paused for now.
of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.
When the new season starts I'll be looking forward to more of the >>>>>>> same.
Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began in Monte
Carlo.
Also using new cars.
There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.
None.
It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing rally cars >>>>> never do is race.
Racing happens when cars compete for position.
Cars “compete for position” in the WRC surely?
No, they compete for 'time'.
what they are interested in.
As opposed to on-track racing, direct against each other car-to-car with overtaking, draughting, weaving, dodging, etc.
geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:And the car that achieves the best “time” gets the top “position”, which is
Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot wrote:
On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began in Monte Carlo. >>>>> Also using new cars.
Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the effect of the >>>>>>> of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.The best four wheel racing in the world is paused for now.
When the new season starts I'll be looking forward to more of the same. >>>>>
There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.
None.
It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing rally cars
never do is race.
Racing happens when cars compete for position.
Cars “compete for position” in the WRC surely?
No, they compete for 'time'.
what they are interested in.
On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot wrote:
On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the
effect of the of the various rule changes for the 2022
F1 season.
The best four wheel racing in the world is paused for now.
When the new season starts I'll be looking forward to
more of the same.
Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began in
Monte Carlo. Also using new cars.
There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.
None.
It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing
rally cars never do is race.
Racing happens when cars compete for position.
Cars “compete for position” in the WRC surely?
No, they compete for 'time'.
And the car that achieves the best “time” gets the top “position”, which is what they are interested in.
As opposed to on-track racing, direct against each other car-to-car
with overtaking, draughting, weaving, dodging, etc.
On 2022-02-08 2:22 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot wrote:
On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the
effect of the of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1
season.
The best four wheel racing in the world is paused for now.
When the new season starts I'll be looking forward to more of
the same.
Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began in Monte
Carlo. Also using new cars.
There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.
None.
It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing rally
cars never do is race.
Racing happens when cars compete for position.
Sorry, you're wrong.
You attempt to redefine racing but do more to define stupidity.
Rallying is a race against the clock for position.
Anyway back to watching the Olympics and all those competitors
(apparently not) racing down the mountain.
They're not racing either.
I used to be a ski racer...
...so I should know.
On 2022-02-08 12:00 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot wrote:
On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the
effect of the of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1
season.
The best four wheel racing in the world is paused for now.
When the new season starts I'll be looking forward to more of
the same.
Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began in
Monte Carlo. Also using new cars.
There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.
None.
It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing rally
cars never do is race.
Racing happens when cars compete for position.
Cars “compete for position” in the WRC surely?
Nope.
The "race" against the clock.
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-08 2:22 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot wrote:
On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on theThe best four wheel racing in the world is paused for now.
effect of the of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1
season.
When the new season starts I'll be looking forward to more of
the same.
Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began in Monte
Carlo. Also using new cars.
There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.
None.
It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing rally
cars never do is race.
Racing happens when cars compete for position.
Sorry, you're wrong.
You attempt to redefine racing but do more to define stupidity.
Rallying is a race against the clock for position.
Anyway back to watching the Olympics and all those competitors
(apparently not) racing down the mountain.
They're not racing either.
I used to be a ski racer...
Wrong again.
geoff wrote:
On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:And the car that achieves the best “time” gets the top “position”, >>> which is what they are interested in.
Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot wrote:
On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on theThe best four wheel racing in the world is paused for now.
effect of the of the various rule changes for the 2022
F1 season.
When the new season starts I'll be looking forward to
more of the same.
Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began in
Monte Carlo. Also using new cars.
There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.
None.
It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing
rally cars never do is race.
Racing happens when cars compete for position.
Cars “compete for position” in the WRC surely?
No, they compete for 'time'.
As opposed to on-track racing, direct against each other car-to-car
with overtaking, draughting, weaving, dodging, etc.
Yes, it's a different form of racing.
Watch the bobsleigh races and tell me how many passes you see; it's a
race against the clock.
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-08 12:00 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot wrote:
On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on theThe best four wheel racing in the world is paused for now.
effect of the of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1
season.
When the new season starts I'll be looking forward to more of
the same.
Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began in
Monte Carlo. Also using new cars.
There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.
None.
It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing rally
cars never do is race.
Racing happens when cars compete for position.
Cars “compete for position” in the WRC surely?
Nope.
The "race" against the clock.
Yet another thing you clearly don't know; how to use quotes.
Sorry
motorsports
Nope. I used them to indicate and non-literal interpretation of a word
is being used.
'Scare quotation marks are also used to show that a word in not being
used in its literal sense.'
<https://www.grammar-monster.com/lessons/quotation_(speech)_marks_meaning_alleged_so-called.htm>
Once again, I understand something you don't.
You must be very accustomed to that by now.
sunshine
On 2022-02-08 1:21 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-08 12:00 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot wrote:
On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on theThe best four wheel racing in the world is paused for now.
effect of the of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1
season.
When the new season starts I'll be looking forward to more of
the same.
Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began in
Monte Carlo. Also using new cars.
There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.
None.
It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing rally
cars never do is race.
Racing happens when cars compete for position.
Cars “compete for position” in the WRC surely?
Nope.
The "race" against the clock.
Yet another thing you clearly don't know; how to use quotes.
Nope. I used them to indicate and non-literal interpretation of a word
is being used.
'Scare quotation marks are also used to show that a word in not being
used in its literal sense.'
<https://www.grammar-monster.com/lessons/quotation_(speech)_marks_meaning_alleged_so-called.htm>
On 2022-02-08 1:15 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-08 2:22 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot wrote:
On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the
effect of the of the various rule changes for the 2022
F1 season.
The best four wheel racing in the world is paused for now.
When the new season starts I'll be looking forward to
more of the same.
Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began in
Monte Carlo. Also using new cars.
There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.
None.
It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing
rally cars never do is race.
Racing happens when cars compete for position.
Sorry, you're wrong.
You attempt to redefine racing but do more to define stupidity.
Rallying is a race against the clock for position.
Anyway back to watching the Olympics and all those competitors (apparently not) racing down the mountain.
They're not racing either.
I used to be a ski racer...
Wrong again.
I'm wrong that I used to be a ski racer, sunshine?
😏
On 2022-02-08 1:20 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
geoff wrote:
On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot
wrote:
On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on
the effect of the of the various rule changes for
the 2022 F1 season.
The best four wheel racing in the world is paused for
now. When the new season starts I'll be looking
forward to more of the same.
Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began
in Monte Carlo. Also using new cars.
There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.
None.
It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing
rally cars never do is race.
Racing happens when cars compete for position.
Cars “compete for position” in the WRC surely?
No, they compete for 'time'.
And the car that achieves the best “time” gets the top “position”, which is what they are interested in.
As opposed to on-track racing, direct against each other
car-to-car with overtaking, draughting, weaving, dodging, etc.
Yes, it's a different form of racing.
Watch the bobsleigh races and tell me how many passes you see; it's
a race against the clock.
Sorry, but this is motorsports, and what you never seem to get is
that context matters.
In a motorsports context, we differentiate between racing and other
forms for reasons of safety.
Cars that come out to the track for time attack are "racing" against
the clock. Fastest lap in your class wins. But by the rules they are
not allowed to RACE. And because of that fact, the rules for the
level of safety equipment are different than they are for those used
for the very same cars if they are competing in an ACTUAL race.
It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing rally cars
never do is race.
On 2022-02-08 12:45 p.m., geoff wrote:
On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:And the car that achieves the best “time” gets the top “position”, >>> which is
Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot wrote:
On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the effect >>>>>>>>> of theThe best four wheel racing in the world is paused for now.
of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.
When the new season starts I'll be looking forward to more of the >>>>>>>> same.
Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began in Monte >>>>>>> Carlo.
Also using new cars.
There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.
None.
It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing rally cars >>>>>> never do is race.
Racing happens when cars compete for position.
Cars “compete for position” in the WRC surely?
No, they compete for 'time'.
what they are interested in.
As opposed to on-track racing, direct against each other car-to-car with
overtaking, draughting, weaving, dodging, etc.
Right. That's actual racing where motorsports are concerned.
😎
On 2022-02-08 5:56 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:And the car that achieves the best “time” gets the top “position”, which is
Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot wrote:
On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began in Monte Carlo. >>>>>> Also using new cars.
Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the effect of the >>>>>>>> of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.The best four wheel racing in the world is paused for now.
When the new season starts I'll be looking forward to more of the same. >>>>>>
There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.
None.
It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing rally cars >>>>> never do is race.
Racing happens when cars compete for position.
Cars “compete for position” in the WRC surely?
No, they compete for 'time'.
what they are interested in.
"Time" doesn't need to be in quotes in that sentence; only "position" does.
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-08 1:20 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
geoff wrote:
On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:And the car that achieves the best “time” gets the top
Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot
wrote:
On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts onThe best four wheel racing in the world is paused for
the effect of the of the various rule changes for
the 2022 F1 season.
now. When the new season starts I'll be looking
forward to more of the same.
Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began
in Monte Carlo. Also using new cars.
There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.
None.
It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing
rally cars never do is race.
Racing happens when cars compete for position.
Cars “compete for position” in the WRC surely?
No, they compete for 'time'.
“position”, which is what they are interested in.
As opposed to on-track racing, direct against each other
car-to-car with overtaking, draughting, weaving, dodging, etc.
Yes, it's a different form of racing.
Watch the bobsleigh races and tell me how many passes you see; it's
a race against the clock.
Sorry, but this is motorsports, and what you never seem to get is
that context matters.
In a motorsports context, we differentiate between racing and other
forms for reasons of safety.
Cars that come out to the track for time attack are "racing" against
the clock. Fastest lap in your class wins. But by the rules they are
not allowed to RACE. And because of that fact, the rules for the
level of safety equipment are different than they are for those used
for the very same cars if they are competing in an ACTUAL race.
We all know your words carry no weight. Cite?
"There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC."
You don't even realise that you keep contradicting yourself, do you.
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-08 1:21 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-08 12:00 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot wrote:
On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on theThe best four wheel racing in the world is paused for now.
effect of the of the various rule changes for the 2022
F1 season.
When the new season starts I'll be looking forward to
more of the same.
Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began in
Monte Carlo. Also using new cars.
There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.
None.
It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing
rally cars never do is race.
Racing happens when cars compete for position.
Cars “compete for position” in the WRC surely?
Nope.
The "race" against the clock.
Yet another thing you clearly don't know; how to use quotes.
Nope. I used them to indicate and non-literal interpretation of a
word is being used.
Yet it is not and you won't find anyone agreeing with you.
A race is a contest of speed.
You have yet to provide any cite... just stupid assertions that have
painted you into a corner.
'Scare quotation marks are also used to show that a word in not being<https://www.grammar-monster.com/lessons/quotation_(speech)_marks_meaning_alleged_so-called.htm>
used in its literal sense.'
Once again, I understand something you don't.
Once again you claim to understand something you don't.
You must be very accustomed to that by now.
Nope.
Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-02-08 5:56 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:And the car that achieves the best “time” gets the top “position”, which is
Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot wrote:
On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the effect of the >>>>>>>>> of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.The best four wheel racing in the world is paused for now.
When the new season starts I'll be looking forward to more of the same.
Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began in Monte Carlo. >>>>>>> Also using new cars.
There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.
None.
It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing rally cars >>>>>> never do is race.
Racing happens when cars compete for position.
Cars “compete for position” in the WRC surely?
No, they compete for 'time'.
what they are interested in.
"Time" doesn't need to be in quotes in that sentence; only "position" does. >>
I used them to indicate and non-literal interpretation of a word is being used :-)
Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-02-08 12:45 p.m., geoff wrote:
On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:And the car that achieves the best “time” gets the top “position”, >>>> which is
Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot wrote:
On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the effect >>>>>>>>>> of theThe best four wheel racing in the world is paused for now.
of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.
When the new season starts I'll be looking forward to more of the >>>>>>>>> same.
Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began in Monte >>>>>>>> Carlo.
Also using new cars.
There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.
None.
It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing rally cars >>>>>>> never do is race.
Racing happens when cars compete for position.
Cars “compete for position” in the WRC surely?
No, they compete for 'time'.
what they are interested in.
As opposed to on-track racing, direct against each other car-to-car with >>> overtaking, draughting, weaving, dodging, etc.
Right. That's actual racing where motorsports are concerned.
😎
In the interests of pedantry here are a couple of definitions of “race”:
“RACE (noun): a competition between runners, horses, vehicles, etc. to see
which is the fastest in covering a set course.” No requirement for them to do it simultaneously.
“RACE (verb intr.): compete with another or others to see who is fastest at covering a set course or achieving an objective.”
I'm a certified senior instructor.
Yup. And those are general definitions. Definitions and usage for words within a specific context often vary from the general.
On 07/02/2022 23:52, Alan wrote:
It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing rally cars
never do is race.
Well, they do in rallycross.
On 2022-02-09 5:57 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-02-08 12:45 p.m., geoff wrote:
On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot
wrote:
On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts
on the effect of the
of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1
season.
The best four wheel racing in the world is paused
for now. When the new season starts I'll be
looking forward to more of the same.
Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season
began in Monte Carlo.
Also using new cars.
There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.
None.
It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one
thing rally cars never do is race.
Racing happens when cars compete for position.
Cars “compete for position” in the WRC surely?
No, they compete for 'time'.
And the car that achieves the best “time” gets the top “position”, which is
what they are interested in.
As opposed to on-track racing, direct against each other
car-to-car with overtaking, draughting, weaving, dodging, etc.
Right. That's actual racing where motorsports are concerned.
😎
In the interests of pedantry here are a couple of definitions of “race”:
“RACE (noun): a competition between runners, horses, vehicles,
etc. to see which is the fastest in covering a set course.” No requirement for them to do it simultaneously.
“RACE (verb intr.): compete with another or others to see who is
fastest at covering a set course or achieving an objective.”
Yup. And those are general definitions. Definitions and usage for
words within a specific context often vary from the general.
On 2022-02-09 5:46 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-02-08 5:56 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot
wrote:
On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on
the effect of the of the various rule changes for
the 2022 F1 season.
The best four wheel racing in the world is paused for
now. When the new season starts I'll be looking
forward to more of the same.
Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began
in Monte Carlo. Also using new cars.
There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.
None.
It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one
thing rally cars never do is race.
Racing happens when cars compete for position.
Cars “compete for position” in the WRC surely?
No, they compete for 'time'.
And the car that achieves the best “time” gets the top “position”, which is what they are interested in.
"Time" doesn't need to be in quotes in that sentence; only
"position" does.
I used them to indicate and non-literal interpretation of a word is
being used :-)
Except "time" is being used literally.
On 2022-02-09 3:30 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-08 1:20 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
geoff wrote:
On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot
wrote:
On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
Not looking for finishing order but you
thoughts on the effect of the of the various
rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.
The best four wheel racing in the world is paused
for now. When the new season starts I'll be
looking forward to more of the same.
Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season
began in Monte Carlo. Also using new cars.
There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the
WRC.
None.
It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one
thing rally cars never do is race.
Racing happens when cars compete for position.
Cars “compete for position” in the WRC surely?
No, they compete for 'time'.
And the car that achieves the best “time” gets the top “position”, which is what they are interested in.
As opposed to on-track racing, direct against each other
car-to-car with overtaking, draughting, weaving, dodging, etc.
Yes, it's a different form of racing.
Watch the bobsleigh races and tell me how many passes you see;
it's a race against the clock.
Sorry, but this is motorsports, and what you never seem to get is
that context matters.
In a motorsports context, we differentiate between racing and
other forms for reasons of safety.
Cars that come out to the track for time attack are "racing"
against the clock. Fastest lap in your class wins. But by the
rules they are not allowed to RACE. And because of that fact, the
rules for the level of safety equipment are different than they
are for those used for the very same cars if they are competing
in an ACTUAL race.
We all know your words carry no weight. Cite?
Do you actually believe I don't know what the rules are for racing?
I'm a certified senior instructor.
"There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC."
You don't even realise that you keep contradicting yourself, do you.
On 2022-02-09 3:37 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-08 1:21 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-08 12:00 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot
wrote:
On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on
the effect of the of the various rule changes for
the 2022 F1 season.
The best four wheel racing in the world is paused for
now. When the new season starts I'll be looking
forward to more of the same.
Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began
in Monte Carlo. Also using new cars.
There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.
None.
It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing
rally cars never do is race.
Racing happens when cars compete for position.
Cars “compete for position” in the WRC surely?
Nope.
The "race" against the clock.
Yet another thing you clearly don't know; how to use quotes.
Nope. I used them to indicate and non-literal interpretation of a
word is being used.
Yet it is not and you won't find anyone agreeing with you.
A race is a contest of speed.
Words have subtly different meanings when used in different contexts.
You have yet to provide any cite... just stupid assertions that have painted you into a corner.
'Scare quotation marks are also used to show that a word in not
being used in its literal sense.'
Once again, I understand something you don't.
Once again you claim to understand something you don't.
LOL
You must be very accustomed to that by now.
Nope.
Don't worry. You're getting there.
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-09 5:57 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-02-08 12:45 p.m., geoff wrote:
On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:And the car that achieves the best “time” gets the top
Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot
wrote:
On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
Not looking for finishing order but you thoughtsThe best four wheel racing in the world is paused
on the effect of the
of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1
season.
for now. When the new season starts I'll be
looking forward to more of the same.
Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season
began in Monte Carlo.
Also using new cars.
There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.
None.
It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one
thing rally cars never do is race.
Racing happens when cars compete for position.
Cars “compete for position” in the WRC surely?
No, they compete for 'time'.
“position”, which is
what they are interested in.
As opposed to on-track racing, direct against each other
car-to-car with overtaking, draughting, weaving, dodging, etc.
Right. That's actual racing where motorsports are concerned.
😎
In the interests of pedantry here are a couple of definitions of
“race”:
“RACE (noun): a competition between runners, horses, vehicles,
etc. to see which is the fastest in covering a set course.” No
requirement for them to do it simultaneously.
“RACE (verb intr.): compete with another or others to see who is
fastest at covering a set course or achieving an objective.”
Yup. And those are general definitions. Definitions and usage for
words within a specific context often vary from the general.
No,
those are *literal* definitions.
Yes. Literal, *general* definitions.
Very good.
On 2022-02-09 11:35 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-09 5:57 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-02-08 12:45 p.m., geoff wrote:
On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5,
fnot wrote:
On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
Not looking for finishing order but you
thoughts on the effect of the
of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1
season.
The best four wheel racing in the world is
paused for now. When the new season starts
I'll be looking forward to more of the same.
Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season
began in Monte Carlo.
Also using new cars.
There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the
WRC.
None.
It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one
thing rally cars never do is race.
Racing happens when cars compete for position.
Cars “compete for position” in the WRC surely?
No, they compete for 'time'.
And the car that achieves the best “time” gets the top “position”, which is
what they are interested in.
As opposed to on-track racing, direct against each other
car-to-car with overtaking, draughting, weaving, dodging,
etc.
Right. That's actual racing where motorsports are concerned.
😎
In the interests of pedantry here are a couple of definitions of “race”:
“RACE (noun): a competition between runners, horses, vehicles,
etc. to see which is the fastest in covering a set course.” No requirement for them to do it simultaneously.
“RACE (verb intr.): compete with another or others to see who is fastest at covering a set course or achieving an objective.”
Yup. And those are general definitions. Definitions and usage for
words within a specific context often vary from the general.
No,
those are literal definitions.
Yes. Literal, general definitions.
Very good.
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-09 3:37 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-08 1:21 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-08 12:00 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot
wrote:
On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts onThe best four wheel racing in the world is paused for
the effect of the of the various rule changes for
the 2022 F1 season.
now. When the new season starts I'll be looking
forward to more of the same.
Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began
in Monte Carlo. Also using new cars.
There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.
None.
It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing
rally cars never do is race.
Racing happens when cars compete for position.
Cars “compete for position” in the WRC surely?
Nope.
The "race" against the clock.
Yet another thing you clearly don't know; how to use quotes.
Nope. I used them to indicate and non-literal interpretation of a
word is being used.
Yet it is not and you won't find anyone agreeing with you.
A race is a contest of speed.
Words have subtly different meanings when used in different contexts.
Sounds like backtracking to me.
What a word "literally" means does not change.
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-09 3:30 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-08 1:20 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
geoff wrote:
On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:And the car that achieves the best “time” gets the top
Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot
wrote:
On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
Not looking for finishing order but youThe best four wheel racing in the world is paused
thoughts on the effect of the of the various
rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.
for now. When the new season starts I'll be
looking forward to more of the same.
Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season
began in Monte Carlo. Also using new cars.
There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the
WRC.
None.
It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one
thing rally cars never do is race.
Racing happens when cars compete for position.
Cars “compete for position” in the WRC surely?
No, they compete for 'time'.
“position”, which is what they are interested in.
As opposed to on-track racing, direct against each other
car-to-car with overtaking, draughting, weaving, dodging, etc.
Yes, it's a different form of racing.
Watch the bobsleigh races and tell me how many passes you see;
it's a race against the clock.
Sorry, but this is motorsports, and what you never seem to get is
that context matters.
In a motorsports context, we differentiate between racing and
other forms for reasons of safety.
Cars that come out to the track for time attack are "racing"
against the clock. Fastest lap in your class wins. But by the
rules they are not allowed to RACE. And because of that fact, the
rules for the level of safety equipment are different than they
are for those used for the very same cars if they are competing
in an ACTUAL race.
We all know your words carry no weight. Cite?
Do you actually believe I don't know what the rules are for racing?
I'm a certified senior instructor.
The claims of an habitual liar aside, can you or can you NOT provide a
cite to support your non-literal assertion.
Are you actually claiming that you believe I don't know the rules for
actual racing vs time attack?
notice that I don't use the quotes
Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-02-08 1:21 p.m., Bigbird wrote:Punctuation is a very slippery slope, especially between Americans and
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-08 12:00 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot wrote:
On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on theThe best four wheel racing in the world is paused for now.
effect of the of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1
season.
When the new season starts I'll be looking forward to more of
the same.
Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began in
Monte Carlo. Also using new cars.
There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.
None.
It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing rally
cars never do is race.
Racing happens when cars compete for position.
Cars “compete for position” in the WRC surely?
Nope.
The "race" against the clock.
Yet another thing you clearly don't know; how to use quotes.
Nope. I used them to indicate and non-literal interpretation of a word
is being used.
'Scare quotation marks are also used to show that a word in not being
used in its literal sense.'
<https://www.grammar-monster.com/lessons/quotation_(speech)_marks_meaning_alleged_so-called.htm>
Brits. Our conventions differ in many ways.
Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-02-08 12:45 p.m., geoff wrote:
On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:And the car that achieves the best “time” gets the top “position”, >>>> which is
Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot wrote:
On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the effect >>>>>>>>>> of theThe best four wheel racing in the world is paused for now.
of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.
When the new season starts I'll be looking forward to more of the >>>>>>>>> same.
Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began in Monte >>>>>>>> Carlo.
Also using new cars.
There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.
None.
It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing rally cars >>>>>>> never do is race.
Racing happens when cars compete for position.
Cars “compete for position” in the WRC surely?
No, they compete for 'time'.
what they are interested in.
As opposed to on-track racing, direct against each other car-to-car with >>> overtaking, draughting, weaving, dodging, etc.
Right. That's actual racing where motorsports are concerned.
😎
In the interests of pedantry here are a couple of definitions of “race”:
“RACE (noun): a competition between runners, horses, vehicles, etc. to see
which is the fastest in covering a set course.” No requirement for them to do it simultaneously.
“RACE (verb intr.): compete with another or others to see who is fastest at covering a set course or achieving an objective.”
On 2022-02-09 3:30 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-08 1:20 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
geoff wrote:
On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:And the car that achieves the best “time” gets the top
Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot
wrote:
On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts onThe best four wheel racing in the world is paused for
the effect of the of the various rule changes for
the 2022 F1 season.
now. When the new season starts I'll be looking
forward to more of the same.
Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began
in Monte Carlo. Also using new cars.
There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.
None.
It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing
rally cars never do is race.
Racing happens when cars compete for position.
Cars “compete for position” in the WRC surely?
No, they compete for 'time'.
“position”, which is what they are interested in.
As opposed to on-track racing, direct against each other
car-to-car with overtaking, draughting, weaving, dodging, etc.
Yes, it's a different form of racing.
Watch the bobsleigh races and tell me how many passes you see; it's
a race against the clock.
Sorry, but this is motorsports, and what you never seem to get is
that context matters.
In a motorsports context, we differentiate between racing and other
forms for reasons of safety.
Cars that come out to the track for time attack are "racing" against
the clock. Fastest lap in your class wins. But by the rules they are
not allowed to RACE. And because of that fact, the rules for the
level of safety equipment are different than they are for those used
for the very same cars if they are competing in an ACTUAL race.
We all know your words carry no weight. Cite?
Do you actually believe I don't know what the rules are for racing?
I'm a certified senior instructor.
On 2022-02-09 11:40 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-09 3:37 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-08 1:21 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-08 12:00 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot
wrote:
On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts onThe best four wheel racing in the world is paused for
the effect of the of the various rule changes for
the 2022 F1 season.
now. When the new season starts I'll be looking
forward to more of the same.
Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began
in Monte Carlo. Also using new cars.
There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.
None.
It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing
rally cars never do is race.
Racing happens when cars compete for position.
Cars “compete for position” in the WRC surely?
Nope.
The "race" against the clock.
Yet another thing you clearly don't know; how to use quotes.
Nope. I used them to indicate and non-literal interpretation of a
word is being used.
Yet it is not and you won't find anyone agreeing with you.
A race is a contest of speed.
Words have subtly different meanings when used in different contexts.
Sounds like backtracking to me.
What a word "literally" means does not change.
What a word literally means (notice that I don't use the quotes around "literally" because they're not appropriate in this context) does change
with context.
On 10/02/2022 6:18 am, Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-09 3:30 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-08 1:20 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
geoff wrote:
On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:And the car that achieves the best “time” gets the top
Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot
wrote:
On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts onThe best four wheel racing in the world is paused for
the effect of the of the various rule changes for
the 2022 F1 season.
now. When the new season starts I'll be looking
forward to more of the same.
Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began
in Monte Carlo. Also using new cars.
There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.
None.
It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing >>>>>>>>>> rally cars never do is race.
Racing happens when cars compete for position.
Cars “compete for position” in the WRC surely?
No, they compete for 'time'.
“position”, which is what they are interested in.
As opposed to on-track racing, direct against each other
car-to-car with overtaking, draughting, weaving, dodging, etc.
Yes, it's a different form of racing.
Watch the bobsleigh races and tell me how many passes you see; it's
a race against the clock.
Sorry, but this is motorsports, and what you never seem to get is
that context matters.
In a motorsports context, we differentiate between racing and other
forms for reasons of safety.
Cars that come out to the track for time attack are "racing" against
the clock. Fastest lap in your class wins. But by the rules they are
not allowed to RACE. And because of that fact, the rules for the
level of safety equipment are different than they are for those used
for the very same cars if they are competing in an ACTUAL race.
We all know your words carry no weight. Cite?
Do you actually believe I don't know what the rules are for racing?
I'm a certified senior instructor.
You instruct 'seniors' ?
On 10/02/2022 10:44 am, Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-09 11:40 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-09 3:37 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-08 1:21 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-08 12:00 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot
wrote:
On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts onThe best four wheel racing in the world is paused for
the effect of the of the various rule changes for
the 2022 F1 season.
now. When the new season starts I'll be looking
forward to more of the same.
Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began
in Monte Carlo. Also using new cars.
There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.
None.
It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing >>>>>>>>>> rally cars never do is race.
Racing happens when cars compete for position.
Cars “compete for position” in the WRC surely?
Nope.
The "race" against the clock.
Yet another thing you clearly don't know; how to use quotes.
Nope. I used them to indicate and non-literal interpretation of a
word is being used.
Yet it is not and you won't find anyone agreeing with you.
A race is a contest of speed.
Words have subtly different meanings when used in different contexts.
Sounds like backtracking to me.
What a word "literally" means does not change.
What a word literally means (notice that I don't use the quotes around
"literally" because they're not appropriate in this context) does
change with context.
My head is literally going to explode with this tiresome thread.
Then don't read it.
On 2022-02-09 2:22 p.m., geoff wrote:
On 10/02/2022 10:44 am, Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-09 11:40 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-09 3:37 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-08 1:21 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-08 12:00 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot
wrote:
On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the effect of the of the various rule changes forThe best four wheel racing in the world is paused for >>>>>>>>>>>>> now. When the new season starts I'll be looking
the 2022 F1 season.
forward to more of the same.
Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began >>>>>>>>>>>> in Monte Carlo. Also using new cars.
There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.
None.
It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing >>>>>>>>>>> rally cars never do is race.
Racing happens when cars compete for position.
Cars “compete for position” in the WRC surely?
Nope.
The "race" against the clock.
Yet another thing you clearly don't know; how to use quotes.
Nope. I used them to indicate and non-literal interpretation of a >>>>>>> word is being used.
Yet it is not and you won't find anyone agreeing with you.
A race is a contest of speed.
Words have subtly different meanings when used in different contexts. >>>>>
Sounds like backtracking to me.
What a word "literally" means does not change.
What a word literally means (notice that I don't use the quotes
around "literally" because they're not appropriate in this context)
does change with context.
My head is literally going to explode with this tiresome thread.
Then don't read it.
Sometimes...
Sorry to have to explain this
Then don't read it.
On 10/02/2022 11:26 am, Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-09 2:22 p.m., geoff wrote:
On 10/02/2022 10:44 am, Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-09 11:40 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-09 3:37 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-08 1:21 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-08 12:00 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the effect of the of the various rule changes for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the 2022 F1 season.The best four wheel racing in the world is paused for >>>>>>>>>>>>>> now. When the new season starts I'll be looking
forward to more of the same.
Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began >>>>>>>>>>>>> in Monte Carlo. Also using new cars.
There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC. >>>>>>>>>>>>
None.
It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing >>>>>>>>>>>> rally cars never do is race.
Racing happens when cars compete for position.
Cars “compete for position” in the WRC surely?
Nope.
The "race" against the clock.
Yet another thing you clearly don't know; how to use quotes. >>>>>>>>>
Nope. I used them to indicate and non-literal interpretation of a >>>>>>>> word is being used.
Yet it is not and you won't find anyone agreeing with you.
A race is a contest of speed.
Words have subtly different meanings when used in different contexts. >>>>>>
Sounds like backtracking to me.
What a word "literally" means does not change.
What a word literally means (notice that I don't use the quotes
around "literally" because they're not appropriate in this context)
does change with context.
My head is literally going to explode with this tiresome thread.
Then don't read it.
Sorry to have to explain this, but the comment is a parody on the common misuse of words. I thought it may have been obvious.
Ah...
Ah...
Yes, in hindsight, it was right there in the open, wasn't it?
On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 3:51:54 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
Ah...
is that the sound you make during anal sex?
On 10/02/2022 2:57 am, Sir Tim wrote:
Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-02-08 12:45 p.m., geoff wrote:
On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot
wrote:
On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts
on the effect of the
of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1
season.
The best four wheel racing in the world is paused
for now. When the new season starts I'll be
looking forward to more of the same.
Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season
began in Monte Carlo.
Also using new cars.
There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.
None.
It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one
thing rally cars never do is race.
Racing happens when cars compete for position.
Cars “compete for position” in the WRC surely?
No, they compete for 'time'.
And the car that achieves the best “time” gets the top “position”, which is
what they are interested in.
As opposed to on-track racing, direct against each other
car-to-car with overtaking, draughting, weaving, dodging, etc.
Right. That's actual racing where motorsports are concerned.
😎
In the interests of pedantry here are a couple of definitions of “race”:
“RACE (noun): a competition between runners, horses, vehicles,
etc. to see which is the fastest in covering a set course.” No requirement for them to do it simultaneously.
“RACE (verb intr.): compete with another or others to see who is
fastest at covering a set course or achieving an objective.”
I have a great idea for F1. Would solve the problem of cars impeding
each other (etc).
Race the one at a time against the clock.
geoff
On 2022-02-09 11:37 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-09 3:30 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-08 1:20 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
geoff wrote:
On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5,
fnot wrote:
On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
Not looking for finishing order but you
thoughts on the effect of the of the various
rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.
The best four wheel racing in the world is
paused for now. When the new season starts
I'll be looking forward to more of the same.
Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022
season began in Monte Carlo. Also using new
cars.
There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the
WRC.
None.
It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the
one thing rally cars never do is race.
Racing happens when cars compete for position.
Cars “compete for position” in the WRC surely?
No, they compete for 'time'.
And the car that achieves the best “time” gets the top “position”, which is what they are interested in.
As opposed to on-track racing, direct against each other car-to-car with overtaking, draughting, weaving, dodging,
etc.
Yes, it's a different form of racing.
Watch the bobsleigh races and tell me how many passes you
see; it's a race against the clock.
Sorry, but this is motorsports, and what you never seem to
get is that context matters.
In a motorsports context, we differentiate between racing and
other forms for reasons of safety.
Cars that come out to the track for time attack are "racing"
against the clock. Fastest lap in your class wins. But by the
rules they are not allowed to RACE. And because of that fact,
the rules for the level of safety equipment are different
than they are for those used for the very same cars if they
are competing in an ACTUAL race.
We all know your words carry no weight. Cite?
Do you actually believe I don't know what the rules are for
racing?
I'm a certified senior instructor.
The claims of an habitual liar aside, can you or can you NOT
provide a cite to support your non-literal assertion.
Are you actually claiming that you believe I don't know the rules for
actual racing vs time attack?
Yes or no.
No, it is not pertinent or under discussion. Why are deflecting?The claims of an habitual liar aside, can you or can you NOTAre you actually claiming that you believe I don't know the rules for
provide a cite to support your non-literal assertion.
actual racing vs time attack?
Yes or no.
Is it because you cannot provide a cite?
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-09 11:37 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-09 3:30 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-08 1:20 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
geoff wrote:
On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:And the car that achieves the best “time” gets the top
Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5,
fnot wrote:
On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
Not looking for finishing order but youThe best four wheel racing in the world is
thoughts on the effect of the of the various
rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.
paused for now. When the new season starts
I'll be looking forward to more of the same.
Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022
season began in Monte Carlo. Also using new
cars.
There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the
WRC.
None.
It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the
one thing rally cars never do is race.
Racing happens when cars compete for position.
Cars “compete for position” in the WRC surely?
No, they compete for 'time'.
“position”, which is what they are interested in.
As opposed to on-track racing, direct against each other
car-to-car with overtaking, draughting, weaving, dodging,
etc.
Yes, it's a different form of racing.
Watch the bobsleigh races and tell me how many passes you
see; it's a race against the clock.
Sorry, but this is motorsports, and what you never seem to
get is that context matters.
In a motorsports context, we differentiate between racing and
other forms for reasons of safety.
Cars that come out to the track for time attack are "racing"
against the clock. Fastest lap in your class wins. But by the
rules they are not allowed to RACE. And because of that fact,
the rules for the level of safety equipment are different
than they are for those used for the very same cars if they
are competing in an ACTUAL race.
We all know your words carry no weight. Cite?
Do you actually believe I don't know what the rules are for
racing?
I'm a certified senior instructor.
The claims of an habitual liar aside, can you or can you NOT
provide a cite to support your non-literal assertion.
Are you actually claiming that you believe I don't know the rules for
actual racing vs time attack?
Yes or no.
No, it is not pertinent or under discussion. Why are deflecting?
Is it because you cannot provide a cite?
Yes or no?
I've been at the track for pretty much every racing weekend for
the the last 10 years.
On 2022-02-10 5:06 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-09 11:37 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-09 3:30 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-08 1:20 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
geoff wrote:
On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM
UTC-5, fnot wrote:
On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the effect of the of the
various rule changes for the 2022 F1
season.
The best four wheel racing in the world is
paused for now. When the new season
starts I'll be looking forward to more of
the same.
Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022
season began in Monte Carlo. Also using new
cars.
There is quite literally no "racing" at all
in the WRC.
None.
It is very cool--there's not denying it--but
the one thing rally cars never do is race.
Racing happens when cars compete for position.
Cars “compete for position” in the WRC surely?
No, they compete for 'time'.
And the car that achieves the best “time” gets the
top “position”, which is what they are interested
in.
As opposed to on-track racing, direct against each
other car-to-car with overtaking, draughting,
weaving, dodging, etc.
Yes, it's a different form of racing.
Watch the bobsleigh races and tell me how many passes
you see; it's a race against the clock.
Sorry, but this is motorsports, and what you never seem to
get is that context matters.
In a motorsports context, we differentiate between racing
and other forms for reasons of safety.
Cars that come out to the track for time attack are
"racing" against the clock. Fastest lap in your class
wins. But by the rules they are not allowed to RACE. And
because of that fact, the rules for the level of safety
equipment are different than they are for those used for
the very same cars if they are competing in an ACTUAL
race.
We all know your words carry no weight. Cite?
Do you actually believe I don't know what the rules are for
racing?
I'm a certified senior instructor.
The claims of an habitual liar aside, can you or can you NOT
provide a cite to support your non-literal assertion.
Are you actually claiming that you believe I don't know the rules
for actual racing vs time attack?
Yes or no.
No, it is not pertinent or under discussion. Why are deflecting?
So you don't believe it's pertinent to a discussion of whether or not "racing" has a special meaning in motorsports terms that the safety
rules differentiate between racing and time attack.
Is it because you cannot provide a cite?
I can't find the rules cite at the moment...
Yes or no?
On 2022-02-10 5:06 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-09 11:37 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-09 3:30 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-08 1:20 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
geoff wrote:
On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM
UTC-5, fnot wrote:
On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the effect of the of the
various rule changes for the 2022 F1
season.
The best four wheel racing in the world is
paused for now. When the new season
starts I'll be looking forward to more of
the same.
Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022
season began in Monte Carlo. Also using new
cars.
There is quite literally no "racing" at all
in the WRC.
None.
It is very cool--there's not denying it--but
the one thing rally cars never do is race.
Racing happens when cars compete for position.
Cars “compete for position” in the WRC surely?
No, they compete for 'time'.
And the car that achieves the best “time” gets the
top “position”, which is what they are interested
in.
As opposed to on-track racing, direct against each
other car-to-car with overtaking, draughting,
weaving, dodging, etc.
Yes, it's a different form of racing.
Watch the bobsleigh races and tell me how many passes
you see; it's a race against the clock.
Sorry, but this is motorsports, and what you never seem to
get is that context matters.
In a motorsports context, we differentiate between racing
and other forms for reasons of safety.
Cars that come out to the track for time attack are
"racing" against the clock. Fastest lap in your class
wins. But by the rules they are not allowed to RACE. And
because of that fact, the rules for the level of safety
equipment are different than they are for those used for
the very same cars if they are competing in an ACTUAL
race.
We all know your words carry no weight. Cite?
Do you actually believe I don't know what the rules are for
racing?
I'm a certified senior instructor.
The claims of an habitual liar aside, can you or can you NOT
provide a cite to support your non-literal assertion.
Are you actually claiming that you believe I don't know the rules
for actual racing vs time attack?
Yes or no.
No, it is not pertinent or under discussion. Why are deflecting?
So you don't believe it's pertinent to a discussion of whether or not "racing" has a special meaning in motorsports terms that the safety
rules differentiate between racing and time attack.
Is it because you cannot provide a cite?
I can't find the rules cite at the moment...
...but I've been at the track for pretty much every racing weekend
for the the last 10 years. And all one has to do is look inside a
time attack car on pregrid to see that it doesn't have to have a full
roll cage.
Yes or no?
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-10 5:06 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-09 11:37 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-09 3:30 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-08 1:20 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
geoff wrote:
On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:And the car that achieves the best “time” gets the
Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM
UTC-5, fnot wrote:
On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
Not looking for finishing order but youThe best four wheel racing in the world is
thoughts on the effect of the of the
various rule changes for the 2022 F1
season.
paused for now. When the new season
starts I'll be looking forward to more of
the same.
Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022
season began in Monte Carlo. Also using new
cars.
There is quite literally no "racing" at all
in the WRC.
None.
It is very cool--there's not denying it--but
the one thing rally cars never do is race.
Racing happens when cars compete for position.
Cars “compete for position” in the WRC surely?
No, they compete for 'time'.
top “position”, which is what they are interested
in.
As opposed to on-track racing, direct against each
other car-to-car with overtaking, draughting,
weaving, dodging, etc.
Yes, it's a different form of racing.
Watch the bobsleigh races and tell me how many passes
you see; it's a race against the clock.
Sorry, but this is motorsports, and what you never seem to
get is that context matters.
In a motorsports context, we differentiate between racing
and other forms for reasons of safety.
Cars that come out to the track for time attack are
"racing" against the clock. Fastest lap in your class
wins. But by the rules they are not allowed to RACE. And
because of that fact, the rules for the level of safety
equipment are different than they are for those used for
the very same cars if they are competing in an ACTUAL
race.
We all know your words carry no weight. Cite?
Do you actually believe I don't know what the rules are for
racing?
I'm a certified senior instructor.
The claims of an habitual liar aside, can you or can you NOT
provide a cite to support your non-literal assertion.
Are you actually claiming that you believe I don't know the rules
for actual racing vs time attack?
Yes or no.
No, it is not pertinent or under discussion. Why are deflecting?
So you don't believe it's pertinent to a discussion of whether or not
"racing" has a special meaning in motorsports terms that the safety
rules differentiate between racing and time attack.
No.
This is a usenet discussion. The only pertinent meaning is one common
to the context.
Is it because you cannot provide a cite?
I can't find the rules cite at the moment...
LOL.
I am not shocked. You can't even support your assertion of some rules
that are not common reference.
The rules you may or may not be referring to are irrelevant.
They are not the reference for the "literal" meaning of any words.
The may or may not contain their own definitions but that has no
relevance to your claimed correction of another poster use of the word "race".
Yes or no?
A resounding NO!
Not Surprised!
And you fail to respond to my additional reply where I found the
relevant citation.
Not surprised!
Not surprised!
you fail to respond to my additional reply
And you fail to respond to my additional reply
On 2022-02-13 11:15 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-10 5:06 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-09 11:37 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-09 3:30 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-08 1:20 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
geoff wrote:
On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM
UTC-5, fnot wrote:
On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
Not looking for finishing order but
you thoughts on the effect of the
of the various rule changes for the
2022 F1 season.
The best four wheel racing in the
world is paused for now. When the
new season starts I'll be looking
forward to more of the same.
Best four wheel racing is WRC and the
2022 season began in Monte Carlo. Also
using new cars.
There is quite literally no "racing" at
all in the WRC.
None.
It is very cool--there's not denying
it--but the one thing rally cars never do
is race.
Racing happens when cars compete for
position.
Cars “compete for position” in the WRC
surely?
No, they compete for 'time'.
And the car that achieves the best “time” gets
the top “position”, which is what they are interested in.
As opposed to on-track racing, direct against each
other car-to-car with overtaking, draughting,
weaving, dodging, etc.
Yes, it's a different form of racing.
Watch the bobsleigh races and tell me how many
passes you see; it's a race against the clock.
Sorry, but this is motorsports, and what you never
seem to get is that context matters.
In a motorsports context, we differentiate between
racing and other forms for reasons of safety.
Cars that come out to the track for time attack are
"racing" against the clock. Fastest lap in your class
wins. But by the rules they are not allowed to RACE.
And because of that fact, the rules for the level of
safety equipment are different than they are for
those used for the very same cars if they are
competing in an ACTUAL race.
We all know your words carry no weight. Cite?
Do you actually believe I don't know what the rules are
for racing?
I'm a certified senior instructor.
The claims of an habitual liar aside, can you or can you NOT provide a cite to support your non-literal assertion.
Are you actually claiming that you believe I don't know the
rules for actual racing vs time attack?
Yes or no.
No, it is not pertinent or under discussion. Why are deflecting?
So you don't believe it's pertinent to a discussion of whether or
not "racing" has a special meaning in motorsports terms that the
safety rules differentiate between racing and time attack.
No.
This is a usenet discussion. The only pertinent meaning is one
common to the context.
Is it because you cannot provide a cite?
I can't find the rules cite at the moment...
LOL.
I am not shocked. You can't even support your assertion of some
rules that are not common reference.
The rules you may or may not be referring to are irrelevant.
They are not the reference for the "literal" meaning of any words.
The may or may not contain their own definitions but that has no
relevance to your claimed correction of another poster use of the
word "race".
Yes or no?
A resounding NO!
Not Surprised!
And you fail to respond to my additional reply where I found the
relevant citation.
Not surprised!
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-13 11:15 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-10 5:06 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-09 11:37 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-09 3:30 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-08 1:20 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
geoff wrote:
On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:And the car that achieves the best “time” gets
Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM
UTC-5, fnot wrote:
On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
Not looking for finishing order butThe best four wheel racing in the
you thoughts on the effect of the
of the various rule changes for the
2022 F1 season.
world is paused for now. When the
new season starts I'll be looking
forward to more of the same.
Best four wheel racing is WRC and the
2022 season began in Monte Carlo. Also
using new cars.
There is quite literally no "racing" at
all in the WRC.
None.
It is very cool--there's not denying
it--but the one thing rally cars never do
is race.
Racing happens when cars compete for
position.
Cars “compete for position” in the WRC
surely?
No, they compete for 'time'.
the top “position”, which is what they are
interested in.
As opposed to on-track racing, direct against each
other car-to-car with overtaking, draughting,
weaving, dodging, etc.
Yes, it's a different form of racing.
Watch the bobsleigh races and tell me how many
passes you see; it's a race against the clock.
Sorry, but this is motorsports, and what you never
seem to get is that context matters.
In a motorsports context, we differentiate between
racing and other forms for reasons of safety.
Cars that come out to the track for time attack are
"racing" against the clock. Fastest lap in your class
wins. But by the rules they are not allowed to RACE.
And because of that fact, the rules for the level of
safety equipment are different than they are for
those used for the very same cars if they are
competing in an ACTUAL race.
We all know your words carry no weight. Cite?
Do you actually believe I don't know what the rules are
for racing?
I'm a certified senior instructor.
The claims of an habitual liar aside, can you or can you NOT
provide a cite to support your non-literal assertion.
Are you actually claiming that you believe I don't know the
rules for actual racing vs time attack?
Yes or no.
No, it is not pertinent or under discussion. Why are deflecting?
So you don't believe it's pertinent to a discussion of whether or
not "racing" has a special meaning in motorsports terms that the
safety rules differentiate between racing and time attack.
No.
This is a usenet discussion. The only pertinent meaning is one
common to the context.
Is it because you cannot provide a cite?
I can't find the rules cite at the moment...
LOL.
I am not shocked. You can't even support your assertion of some
rules that are not common reference.
The rules you may or may not be referring to are irrelevant.
They are not the reference for the "literal" meaning of any words.
The may or may not contain their own definitions but that has no
relevance to your claimed correction of another poster use of the
word "race".
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
READ THIS AGAIN AND TRY TO COMPREHEND.
Yes or no?
A resounding NO!
Not Surprised!
And you fail to respond to my additional reply where I found the
relevant citation.
I did respond.
On 2022-02-16 3:15 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-13 11:15 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-10 5:06 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-09 11:37 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-09 3:30 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-08 1:20 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
geoff wrote:
On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at
5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot wrote:
On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ
wrote:
Not looking for finishing order
but you thoughts on the effect
of the of the various rule
changes for the 2022 F1 season.
The best four wheel racing in the
world is paused for now. When the
new season starts I'll be looking
forward to more of the same.
Best four wheel racing is WRC and
the 2022 season began in Monte
Carlo. Also using new cars.
There is quite literally no "racing"
at all in the WRC.
None.
It is very cool--there's not denying
it--but the one thing rally cars
never do is race.
Racing happens when cars compete for position.
Cars “compete for position” in the WRC surely?
No, they compete for 'time'.
And the car that achieves the best “time”
gets the top “position”, which is what they
are interested in.
As opposed to on-track racing, direct against
each other car-to-car with overtaking,
draughting, weaving, dodging, etc.
Yes, it's a different form of racing.
Watch the bobsleigh races and tell me how many
passes you see; it's a race against the clock.
Sorry, but this is motorsports, and what you never
seem to get is that context matters.
In a motorsports context, we differentiate between
racing and other forms for reasons of safety.
Cars that come out to the track for time attack
are "racing" against the clock. Fastest lap in
your class wins. But by the rules they are not
allowed to RACE. And because of that fact, the
rules for the level of safety equipment are
different than they are for those used for the
very same cars if they are competing in an ACTUAL
race.
We all know your words carry no weight. Cite?
Do you actually believe I don't know what the rules
are for racing?
I'm a certified senior instructor.
The claims of an habitual liar aside, can you or can
you NOT provide a cite to support your non-literal
assertion.
Are you actually claiming that you believe I don't know
the rules for actual racing vs time attack?
Yes or no.
No, it is not pertinent or under discussion. Why are
deflecting?
So you don't believe it's pertinent to a discussion of
whether or not "racing" has a special meaning in motorsports
terms that the safety rules differentiate between racing and
time attack.
No.
This is a usenet discussion. The only pertinent meaning is one
common to the context.
Is it because you cannot provide a cite?
I can't find the rules cite at the moment...
LOL.
I am not shocked. You can't even support your assertion of some
rules that are not common reference.
The rules you may or may not be referring to are irrelevant.
They are not the reference for the "literal" meaning of any
words.
The may or may not contain their own definitions but that has no relevance to your claimed correction of another poster use of
the word "race".
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
READ THIS AGAIN AND TRY TO COMPREHEND.
Yes or no?
A resounding NO!
Not Surprised!
And you fail to respond to my additional reply where I found the
relevant citation.
I did respond.
You did not respond to the post I made that included the very sources
you asked for.
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-16 3:15 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-13 11:15 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-10 5:06 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-09 11:37 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-09 3:30 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-08 1:20 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
geoff wrote:
On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:And the car that achieves the best “time”
Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at
5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot wrote:
On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ
wrote:
Not looking for finishing orderThe best four wheel racing in the
but you thoughts on the effect
of the of the various rule
changes for the 2022 F1 season.
world is paused for now. When the
new season starts I'll be looking
forward to more of the same.
Best four wheel racing is WRC and
the 2022 season began in Monte
Carlo. Also using new cars.
There is quite literally no "racing"
at all in the WRC.
None.
It is very cool--there's not denying
it--but the one thing rally cars
never do is race.
Racing happens when cars compete for
position.
Cars “compete for position” in the WRC
surely?
No, they compete for 'time'.
gets the top “position”, which is what they
are interested in.
As opposed to on-track racing, direct against
each other car-to-car with overtaking,
draughting, weaving, dodging, etc.
Yes, it's a different form of racing.
Watch the bobsleigh races and tell me how many
passes you see; it's a race against the clock.
Sorry, but this is motorsports, and what you never
seem to get is that context matters.
In a motorsports context, we differentiate between
racing and other forms for reasons of safety.
Cars that come out to the track for time attack
are "racing" against the clock. Fastest lap in
your class wins. But by the rules they are not
allowed to RACE. And because of that fact, the
rules for the level of safety equipment are
different than they are for those used for the
very same cars if they are competing in an ACTUAL
race.
We all know your words carry no weight. Cite?
Do you actually believe I don't know what the rules
are for racing?
I'm a certified senior instructor.
The claims of an habitual liar aside, can you or can
you NOT provide a cite to support your non-literal
assertion.
Are you actually claiming that you believe I don't know
the rules for actual racing vs time attack?
Yes or no.
No, it is not pertinent or under discussion. Why are
deflecting?
So you don't believe it's pertinent to a discussion of
whether or not "racing" has a special meaning in motorsports
terms that the safety rules differentiate between racing and
time attack.
No.
This is a usenet discussion. The only pertinent meaning is one
common to the context.
Is it because you cannot provide a cite?
I can't find the rules cite at the moment...
LOL.
I am not shocked. You can't even support your assertion of some
rules that are not common reference.
The rules you may or may not be referring to are irrelevant.
They are not the reference for the "literal" meaning of any
words.
The may or may not contain their own definitions but that has no
relevance to your claimed correction of another poster use of
the word "race".
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
READ THIS AGAIN AND TRY TO COMPREHEND.
Yes or no?
A resounding NO!
Not Surprised!
And you fail to respond to my additional reply where I found the
relevant citation.
I did respond.
You did not respond to the post I made that included the very sources
you asked for.
I responded above, in this branch.
You're not just a liar..
...you're a bad liar.
<su3qk8$10g3$1...@gioia.aioe.org>
That's the message ID.
If you're bright enough to figure out how to find a post based on that,
then show me the message ID of your reply.
On 2022-02-16 4:05 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-16 3:15 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-13 11:15 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-10 5:06 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-09 11:37 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-09 3:30 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-08 1:20 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
geoff wrote:
On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo
wrote:
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at
5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot wrote:
On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m.,
XYXPDQ wrote:
Not looking for finishing
order but you thoughts on
the effect of the of the
various rule changes for
the 2022 F1 season.
The best four wheel racing in
the world is paused for now.
When the new season starts
I'll be looking forward to
more of the same.
Best four wheel racing is WRC
and the 2022 season began in
Monte Carlo. Also using new
cars.
There is quite literally no
"racing" at all in the WRC.
None.
It is very cool--there's not
denying it--but the one thing
rally cars never do is race.
Racing happens when cars compete
for position.
Cars “compete for position” in the
WRC surely?
No, they compete for 'time'.
And the car that achieves the best
“time” gets the top “position”, which is what they are interested in.
As opposed to on-track racing, direct
against each other car-to-car with
overtaking, draughting, weaving, dodging,
etc.
Yes, it's a different form of racing.
Watch the bobsleigh races and tell me how
many passes you see; it's a race against
the clock.
Sorry, but this is motorsports, and what you
never seem to get is that context matters.
In a motorsports context, we differentiate
between racing and other forms for reasons of
safety.
Cars that come out to the track for time
attack are "racing" against the clock.
Fastest lap in your class wins. But by the
rules they are not allowed to RACE. And
because of that fact, the rules for the level
of safety equipment are different than they
are for those used for the very same cars if
they are competing in an ACTUAL race.
We all know your words carry no weight. Cite?
Do you actually believe I don't know what the
rules are for racing?
I'm a certified senior instructor.
The claims of an habitual liar aside, can you or can
you NOT provide a cite to support your non-literal assertion.
Are you actually claiming that you believe I don't
know the rules for actual racing vs time attack?
Yes or no.
No, it is not pertinent or under discussion. Why are deflecting?
So you don't believe it's pertinent to a discussion of
whether or not "racing" has a special meaning in
motorsports terms that the safety rules differentiate
between racing and time attack.
No.
This is a usenet discussion. The only pertinent meaning is
one common to the context.
Is it because you cannot provide a cite?
I can't find the rules cite at the moment...
LOL.
I am not shocked. You can't even support your assertion of
some rules that are not common reference.
The rules you may or may not be referring to are irrelevant.
They are not the reference for the "literal" meaning of any
words.
The may or may not contain their own definitions but that
has no relevance to your claimed correction of another
poster use of the word "race".
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
READ THIS AGAIN AND TRY TO COMPREHEND.
Yes or no?
A resounding NO!
Not Surprised!
And you fail to respond to my additional reply where I found
the relevant citation.
I did respond.
You did not respond to the post I made that included the very
sources you asked for.
I responded above, in this branch.
You're not just a liar..
...you're a bad liar.
<su3qk8$10g3$1@gioia.aioe.org>
That's the message ID.
If you're bright enough to figure out how to find a post based on
that, then show me the message ID of your reply.
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-16 4:05 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-16 3:15 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-13 11:15 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-10 5:06 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-09 11:37 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-09 3:30 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-08 1:20 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
geoff wrote:
On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:And the car that achieves the best
Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo
wrote:
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at
5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot wrote:
On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m.,
XYXPDQ wrote:
Not looking for finishingThe best four wheel racing in
order but you thoughts on
the effect of the of the
various rule changes for
the 2022 F1 season.
the world is paused for now.
When the new season starts
I'll be looking forward to
more of the same.
Best four wheel racing is WRC
and the 2022 season began in
Monte Carlo. Also using new
cars.
There is quite literally no
"racing" at all in the WRC.
None.
It is very cool--there's not
denying it--but the one thing
rally cars never do is race.
Racing happens when cars compete
for position.
Cars “compete for position” in the
WRC surely?
No, they compete for 'time'.
“time” gets the top “position”, which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is what they are interested in.
As opposed to on-track racing, direct
against each other car-to-car with
overtaking, draughting, weaving, dodging,
etc.
Yes, it's a different form of racing.
Watch the bobsleigh races and tell me how
many passes you see; it's a race against
the clock.
Sorry, but this is motorsports, and what you
never seem to get is that context matters.
In a motorsports context, we differentiate
between racing and other forms for reasons of
safety.
Cars that come out to the track for time
attack are "racing" against the clock.
Fastest lap in your class wins. But by the
rules they are not allowed to RACE. And
because of that fact, the rules for the level
of safety equipment are different than they
are for those used for the very same cars if
they are competing in an ACTUAL race.
We all know your words carry no weight. Cite?
Do you actually believe I don't know what the
rules are for racing?
I'm a certified senior instructor.
The claims of an habitual liar aside, can you or can
you NOT provide a cite to support your non-literal
assertion.
Are you actually claiming that you believe I don't
know the rules for actual racing vs time attack?
Yes or no.
No, it is not pertinent or under discussion. Why are
deflecting?
So you don't believe it's pertinent to a discussion of
whether or not "racing" has a special meaning in
motorsports terms that the safety rules differentiate
between racing and time attack.
No.
This is a usenet discussion. The only pertinent meaning is
one common to the context.
Is it because you cannot provide a cite?
I can't find the rules cite at the moment...
LOL.
I am not shocked. You can't even support your assertion of
some rules that are not common reference.
The rules you may or may not be referring to are irrelevant.
They are not the reference for the "literal" meaning of any
words.
The may or may not contain their own definitions but that
has no relevance to your claimed correction of another
poster use of the word "race".
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
READ THIS AGAIN AND TRY TO COMPREHEND.
Yes or no?
A resounding NO!
Not Surprised!
And you fail to respond to my additional reply where I found
the relevant citation.
I did respond.
You did not respond to the post I made that included the very
sources you asked for.
I responded above, in this branch.
You're not just a liar..
...you're a bad liar.
<su3qk8$10g3$1@gioia.aioe.org>
That's the message ID.
If you're bright enough to figure out how to find a post based on
that, then show me the message ID of your reply.
Showing your dishonesty yet again.
"The rules you may or may not be referring to are irrelevant.
They are not the reference for the "literal" meaning of any words.
The may or may not contain their own definitions but that has no
relevance to your claimed correction of another poster use of the word "race"."
On 2022-02-18 2:18 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-16 4:05 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-16 3:15 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-13 11:15 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-10 5:06 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-09 11:37 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-09 3:30 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-08 1:20 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
geoff wrote:
On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim
wrote:
Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo
wrote:
On Sunday, January 9, 2022
at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot
wrote:
On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m.,
XYXPDQ wrote:
Not looking for
finishing order but you thoughts on the effect
of the of the various
rule changes for the
2022 F1 season.
The best four wheel
racing in the world is
paused for now. When the
new season starts I'll be
looking forward to more
of the same.
Best four wheel racing is
WRC and the 2022 season
began in Monte Carlo. Also
using new cars.
There is quite literally no
"racing" at all in the WRC.
None.
It is very cool--there's not
denying it--but the one thing
rally cars never do is race.
Racing happens when cars
compete for position.
Cars “compete for position” in
the WRC surely?
No, they compete for 'time'.
And the car that achieves the best “time” gets the top “position”, which is what they are interested
in.
As opposed to on-track racing, direct
against each other car-to-car with overtaking, draughting, weaving,
dodging, etc.
Yes, it's a different form of racing.
Watch the bobsleigh races and tell me
how many passes you see; it's a race
against the clock.
Sorry, but this is motorsports, and what
you never seem to get is that context
matters.
In a motorsports context, we differentiate between racing and other forms for
reasons of safety.
Cars that come out to the track for time
attack are "racing" against the clock.
Fastest lap in your class wins. But by the
rules they are not allowed to RACE. And
because of that fact, the rules for the
level of safety equipment are different
than they are for those used for the very
same cars if they are competing in an
ACTUAL race.
We all know your words carry no weight.
Cite?
Do you actually believe I don't know what the
rules are for racing?
I'm a certified senior instructor.
The claims of an habitual liar aside, can you
or can you NOT provide a cite to support your non-literal assertion.
Are you actually claiming that you believe I don't
know the rules for actual racing vs time attack?
Yes or no.
No, it is not pertinent or under discussion. Why are deflecting?
So you don't believe it's pertinent to a discussion of whether or not "racing" has a special meaning in
motorsports terms that the safety rules differentiate
between racing and time attack.
No.
This is a usenet discussion. The only pertinent meaning
is one common to the context.
Is it because you cannot provide a cite?
I can't find the rules cite at the moment...
LOL.
I am not shocked. You can't even support your assertion
of some rules that are not common reference.
The rules you may or may not be referring to are
irrelevant.
They are not the reference for the "literal" meaning of
any words.
The may or may not contain their own definitions but
that has no relevance to your claimed correction of
another poster use of the word "race".
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
READ THIS AGAIN AND TRY TO COMPREHEND.
Yes or no?
A resounding NO!
Not Surprised!
And you fail to respond to my additional reply where I
found the relevant citation.
I did respond.
You did not respond to the post I made that included the very
sources you asked for.
I responded above, in this branch.
You're not just a liar..
...you're a bad liar.
<su3qk8$10g3$1@gioia.aioe.org>
That's the message ID.
If you're bright enough to figure out how to find a post based on
that, then show me the message ID of your reply.
Showing your dishonesty yet again.
"The rules you may or may not be referring to are irrelevant.
They are not the reference for the "literal" meaning of any words.
The may or may not contain their own definitions but that has no
relevance to your claimed correction of another poster use of the
word "race"."
They were precisely the sources you claimed I couldn't show.
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-18 2:18 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-16 4:05 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-16 3:15 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-13 11:15 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-10 5:06 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-09 11:37 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-09 3:30 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-02-08 1:20 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
geoff wrote:
On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim
wrote:And the car that achieves the best
Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo
wrote:
On Sunday, January 9, 2022
at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot
wrote:
On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m.,
XYXPDQ wrote:
Not looking forThe best four wheel
finishing order but you
thoughts on the effect
of the of the various
rule changes for the
2022 F1 season.
racing in the world is
paused for now. When the
new season starts I'll be
looking forward to more
of the same.
Best four wheel racing is
WRC and the 2022 season
began in Monte Carlo. Also
using new cars.
There is quite literally no
"racing" at all in the WRC.
None.
It is very cool--there's not
denying it--but the one thing
rally cars never do is race.
Racing happens when cars
compete for position.
Cars “compete for position” in
the WRC surely?
No, they compete for 'time'.
“time” gets the top “position”,
which is what they are interested
in.
As opposed to on-track racing, direct
against each other car-to-car with
overtaking, draughting, weaving,
dodging, etc.
Yes, it's a different form of racing.
Watch the bobsleigh races and tell me
how many passes you see; it's a race
against the clock.
Sorry, but this is motorsports, and what
you never seem to get is that context
matters.
In a motorsports context, we differentiate
between racing and other forms for
reasons of safety.
Cars that come out to the track for time
attack are "racing" against the clock.
Fastest lap in your class wins. But by the
rules they are not allowed to RACE. And
because of that fact, the rules for the
level of safety equipment are different
than they are for those used for the very
same cars if they are competing in an
ACTUAL race.
We all know your words carry no weight.
Cite?
Do you actually believe I don't know what the
rules are for racing?
I'm a certified senior instructor.
The claims of an habitual liar aside, can you
or can you NOT provide a cite to support your
non-literal assertion.
Are you actually claiming that you believe I don't
know the rules for actual racing vs time attack?
Yes or no.
No, it is not pertinent or under discussion. Why are
deflecting?
So you don't believe it's pertinent to a discussion of
whether or not "racing" has a special meaning in
motorsports terms that the safety rules differentiate
between racing and time attack.
No.
This is a usenet discussion. The only pertinent meaning
is one common to the context.
Is it because you cannot provide a cite?
I can't find the rules cite at the moment...
LOL.
I am not shocked. You can't even support your assertion
of some rules that are not common reference.
The rules you may or may not be referring to are
irrelevant.
They are not the reference for the "literal" meaning of
any words.
The may or may not contain their own definitions but
that has no relevance to your claimed correction of
another poster use of the word "race".
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
READ THIS AGAIN AND TRY TO COMPREHEND.
Yes or no?
A resounding NO!
Not Surprised!
And you fail to respond to my additional reply where I
found the relevant citation.
I did respond.
You did not respond to the post I made that included the very
sources you asked for.
I responded above, in this branch.
You're not just a liar..
...you're a bad liar.
<su3qk8$10g3$1@gioia.aioe.org>
That's the message ID.
If you're bright enough to figure out how to find a post based on
that, then show me the message ID of your reply.
Showing your dishonesty yet again.
"The rules you may or may not be referring to are irrelevant.
They are not the reference for the "literal" meaning of any words.
The may or may not contain their own definitions but that has no
relevance to your claimed correction of another poster use of the
word "race"."
They were precisely the sources you claimed I couldn't show.
...and what they proved was how irrelevant they are as described above.
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