• When a talent like Max Verstappen sends F1 car design in the wrong dire

    From Bigbird@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 8 10:15:19 2022
    Explains a little why Perez had so much trouble closing the gap to Max.
    I think we've seen it many times when a car is developed towards the #1
    drivers style/skills.

    https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/single-seaters/f1/when-a-talent-like-max-verstappen-sends-f1-car-design-in-the-wrong-direction-mph

    "Having a top-level driver like Max Verstappen can be a double-edged
    sword, such as in 2020 when the Dutchman's skill masked the dead-end development path that Red Bull was taking..."

    " The car had a characteristic which Max [Verstappen] liked and which
    allowed him to go faster and so as we went further down this path his
    lap times would improve. But it brought with it some instability on
    entry and eventually you come to a point where that is the limiting
    factor and you cannot go any faster. It also made the car very
    difficult for the other drivers.”


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  • From ~misfit~@21:1/5 to Bigbird on Sun Jan 9 13:42:15 2022
    On 8/01/2022 11:15 pm, Bigbird wrote:
    Explains a little why Perez had so much trouble closing the gap to Max.
    I think we've seen it many times when a car is developed towards the #1 drivers style/skills.

    https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/single-seaters/f1/when-a-talent-like-max-verstappen-sends-f1-car-design-in-the-wrong-direction-mph

    "Having a top-level driver like Max Verstappen can be a double-edged
    sword, such as in 2020 when the Dutchman's skill masked the dead-end development path that Red Bull was taking..."

    " The car had a characteristic which Max [Verstappen] liked and which
    allowed him to go faster and so as we went further down this path his
    lap times would improve. But it brought with it some instability on
    entry and eventually you come to a point where that is the limiting
    factor and you cannot go any faster. It also made the car very
    difficult for the other drivers.â€

    Thanks for bringing this to my attention, it confirms something I've thought for a while. It's
    essentially why I referred to the second RBR seat as a 'poisoned chalice' a while back in a fairly
    long post. My point was that the car was being built and set up around Max, and his driving style
    is somewhat unorthodox.

    That's why Gasly and Albon did so poorly at RBR (yet Gasly went on to do so well elsewhere). I hope
    that Albon similarly proves himself worthy of a good seat (or that Williams take a big jump forwards).

    I did wonder if a similar thing was happening at Mercedes, making Bottas look worse than he was -
    until George jumped into Lewis' (very cramped) seat and blitzed everyone else. --
    Shaun.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 8 17:38:44 2022
    On 2022-01-08 4:42 p.m., ~misfit~ wrote:
    On 8/01/2022 11:15 pm, Bigbird wrote:
    Explains a little why Perez had so much trouble closing the gap to Max.
    I think we've seen it many times when a car is developed towards the #1
    drivers style/skills.

    https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/single-seaters/f1/when-a-talent-like-max-verstappen-sends-f1-car-design-in-the-wrong-direction-mph


    "Having a top-level driver like Max Verstappen can be a double-edged
    sword, such as in 2020 when the Dutchman's skill masked the dead-end
    development path that Red Bull was taking..."

    " The car had a characteristic which Max [Verstappen] liked and which
    allowed him to go faster and so as we went further down this path his
    lap times would improve. But it brought with it some instability on
    entry and eventually you come to a point where that is the limiting
    factor and you cannot go any faster. It also made the car very
    difficult for the other drivers.â€

    Thanks for bringing this to my attention, it confirms something I've
    thought for a while. It's essentially why I referred to the second RBR
    seat as a 'poisoned chalice' a while back in a fairly long post. My
    point was that the car was being built and set up around Max, and his
    driving style is somewhat unorthodox.

    That's why Gasly and Albon did so poorly at RBR (yet Gasly went on to do
    so well elsewhere). I hope that Albon similarly proves himself worthy of
    a good seat (or that Williams take a big jump forwards).

    I did wonder if a similar thing was happening at Mercedes, making Bottas
    look worse than he was - until George jumped into Lewis' (very cramped)
    seat and blitzed everyone else.

    Except you assume that Russell couldn't have been fast because he likes
    a car setup the way Hamilton does...

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  • From ~misfit~@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jan 9 15:36:08 2022
    On 9/01/2022 1:42 pm, ~misfit~ wrote:
    On 8/01/2022 11:15 pm, Bigbird wrote:
    Explains a little why Perez had so much trouble closing the gap to Max.
    I think we've seen it many times when a car is developed towards the #1
    drivers style/skills.

    https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/single-seaters/f1/when-a-talent-like-max-verstappen-sends-f1-car-design-in-the-wrong-direction-mph


    "Having a top-level driver like Max Verstappen can be a double-edged
    sword, such as in 2020 when the Dutchman's skill masked the dead-end
    development path that Red Bull was taking..."

    " The car had a characteristic which Max [Verstappen] liked and which
    allowed him to go faster and so as we went further down this path his
    lap times would improve. But it brought with it some instability on
    entry and eventually you come to a point where that is the limiting
    factor and you cannot go any faster. It also made the car very
    difficult for the other drivers.â€

    Thanks for bringing this to my attention, it confirms something I've thought for a while. It's
    essentially why I referred to the second RBR seat as a 'poisoned chalice' a while back in a fairly
    long post....
    Bugger! I see at the bottom of that article a link to an article in which that Mark Hughes also
    referred to the 2nd RBR seat as a poisoned chalice - and it predated my use of the term by just
    less than a month. I don't read motorsport magazine so it must have been a case of convergent
    thinking (or something).
    --
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  • From texas gate@21:1/5 to Alan on Sun Jan 9 10:06:10 2022
    On Saturday, January 8, 2022 at 6:38:47 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    Except you assume that Russell couldn't have been fast because he likes
    a car setup the way Hamilton does...

    blow yourself ass licker

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  • From texas gate@21:1/5 to Bigbird on Sun Jan 9 10:07:46 2022
    On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 10:16:39 AM UTC-7, Bigbird wrote:

    It always seems that you are in such a rush to be contrary that you
    rarely take a moment to actually consider anything.

    ie: a juvenile asshole troll

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  • From Bigbird@21:1/5 to Alan on Sun Jan 9 17:16:37 2022
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-01-08 4:42 p.m., ~misfit~ wrote:
    On 8/01/2022 11:15 pm, Bigbird wrote:
    Explains a little why Perez had so much trouble closing the gap
    to Max. I think we've seen it many times when a car is developed
    towards the #1 drivers style/skills.

    https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/single-seaters/f1/when -a-talent-like-max-verstappen-sends-f1-car-design-in-the-wrong-dir ection-mph


    "Having a top-level driver like Max Verstappen can be a
    double-edged sword, such as in 2020 when the Dutchman's skill
    masked the dead-end development path that Red Bull was taking..."

    " The car had a characteristic which Max [Verstappen] liked and
    which allowed him to go faster and so as we went further down
    this path his lap times would improve. But it brought with it
    some instability on entry and eventually you come to a point
    where that is the limiting factor and you cannot go any faster.
    It also made the car very difficult for the other drivers.â€

    Thanks for bringing this to my attention, it confirms something
    I've thought for a while. It's essentially why I referred to the
    second RBR seat as a 'poisoned chalice' a while back in a fairly
    long post. My point was that the car was being built and set up
    around Max, and his driving style is somewhat unorthodox.

    That's why Gasly and Albon did so poorly at RBR (yet Gasly went on
    to do so well elsewhere). I hope that Albon similarly proves
    himself worthy of a good seat (or that Williams take a big jump
    forwards).

    I did wonder if a similar thing was happening at Mercedes, making
    Bottas look worse than he was - until George jumped into Lewis'
    (very cramped) seat and blitzed everyone else.

    Except you assume that Russell couldn't have been fast because he
    likes a car setup the way Hamilton does...

    1. we are talking development not just setup.
    2. you are saying Lewis's setup preferences may not be as
    individualised as Max's... which is kind of what the OP was about.

    It always seems that you are in such a rush to be contrary that you
    rarely take a moment to actually consider anything.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Bigbird on Sun Jan 9 10:33:29 2022
    On 2022-01-09 9:16 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-01-08 4:42 p.m., ~misfit~ wrote:
    On 8/01/2022 11:15 pm, Bigbird wrote:
    Explains a little why Perez had so much trouble closing the gap
    to Max. I think we've seen it many times when a car is developed
    towards the #1 drivers style/skills.

    https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/single-seaters/f1/when
    -a-talent-like-max-verstappen-sends-f1-car-design-in-the-wrong-dir
    ection-mph


    "Having a top-level driver like Max Verstappen can be a
    double-edged sword, such as in 2020 when the Dutchman's skill
    masked the dead-end development path that Red Bull was taking..."

    " The car had a characteristic which Max [Verstappen] liked and
    which allowed him to go faster and so as we went further down
    this path his lap times would improve. But it brought with it
    some instability on entry and eventually you come to a point
    where that is the limiting factor and you cannot go any faster.
    It also made the car very difficult for the other drivers.â€

    Thanks for bringing this to my attention, it confirms something
    I've thought for a while. It's essentially why I referred to the
    second RBR seat as a 'poisoned chalice' a while back in a fairly
    long post. My point was that the car was being built and set up
    around Max, and his driving style is somewhat unorthodox.

    That's why Gasly and Albon did so poorly at RBR (yet Gasly went on
    to do so well elsewhere). I hope that Albon similarly proves
    himself worthy of a good seat (or that Williams take a big jump
    forwards).

    I did wonder if a similar thing was happening at Mercedes, making
    Bottas look worse than he was - until George jumped into Lewis'
    (very cramped) seat and blitzed everyone else.

    Except you assume that Russell couldn't have been fast because he
    likes a car setup the way Hamilton does...

    1. we are talking development not just setup.

    We're talking about whether or not a car suits a driver.

    From a driver's perspective a car's characteristics are what matters,
    not whether it got them through development or setup.

    But I'll rephrase for the pedants:

    "Except you [Shaun] assume that Russell couldn't have been fast in
    Hamilton's car because he prefers a car with the same handling
    characteristics has Hamilton does."

    2. you are saying Lewis's setup preferences may not be as
    individualised as Max's... which is kind of what the OP was about.

    No. I'm saying that Hamilton's preferences may be ever bit as
    individualize as Verstappen's.

    In fact, given the way that Bottas's performance has fallen off, I'd say
    it's possible that that is due to the the car having been developed to
    suit Hamilton's preferences even MORE over time.


    It always seems that you are in such a rush to be contrary that you
    rarely take a moment to actually consider anything.

    Sorry. Wrong again.

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  • From texas gate@21:1/5 to Bigbird on Sun Jan 9 10:32:25 2022
    On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 10:16:39 AM UTC-7, Bigbird wrote:

    It always seems that you are in such a rush to be contrary that you
    rarely take a moment to actually consider anything.

    yup, he has zero credibility here

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  • From texas gate@21:1/5 to Alan on Sun Jan 9 10:35:53 2022
    On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 11:33:31 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    Sorry. Wrong again.

    sorry is for pussys
    you fucking pussy

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  • From texas gate@21:1/5 to Alan on Sun Jan 9 13:40:52 2022
    On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 11:33:31 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    But I'll rephrase for the pedants:

    fuck off
    you fucking dumb cunt

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  • From Bigbird@21:1/5 to Alan on Mon Jan 10 13:48:19 2022
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-01-09 9:16 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-01-08 4:42 p.m., ~misfit~ wrote:
    On 8/01/2022 11:15 pm, Bigbird wrote:
    Explains a little why Perez had so much trouble closing the
    gap to Max. I think we've seen it many times when a car is
    developed towards the #1 drivers style/skills.


    https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/single-seaters/f1/when
    -a-talent-like-max-verstappen-sends-f1-car-design-in-the-wrong
    -dir ection-mph


    "Having a top-level driver like Max Verstappen can be a
    double-edged sword, such as in 2020 when the Dutchman's skill
    masked the dead-end development path that Red Bull was
    taking..."

    " The car had a characteristic which Max [Verstappen] liked
    and which allowed him to go faster and so as we went further
    down this path his lap times would improve. But it brought
    with it some instability on entry and eventually you come to
    a point where that is the limiting factor and you cannot go
    any faster. It also made the car very difficult for the
    other drivers.â€

    Thanks for bringing this to my attention, it confirms something
    I've thought for a while. It's essentially why I referred to
    the second RBR seat as a 'poisoned chalice' a while back in a
    fairly long post. My point was that the car was being built
    and set up around Max, and his driving style is somewhat
    unorthodox.

    That's why Gasly and Albon did so poorly at RBR (yet Gasly went
    on to do so well elsewhere). I hope that Albon similarly proves himself worthy of a good seat (or that Williams take a big jump forwards).

    I did wonder if a similar thing was happening at Mercedes,
    making Bottas look worse than he was - until George jumped
    into Lewis' (very cramped) seat and blitzed everyone else.

    Except you assume that Russell couldn't have been fast because he
    likes a car setup the way Hamilton does...

    1. we are talking development not just setup.

    We're talking about whether or not a car suits a driver.


    Yup.

    From a driver's perspective a car's characteristics are what matters,
    not whether it got them through development or setup.

    Wrong. Any driver can influence the setup of their car but only within
    the bounds of it's development.

    Try reading the article. Then try understanding it.


    2. you are saying Lewis's setup preferences may not be as
    individualised as Max's... which is kind of what the OP was about.

    No. I'm saying that Hamilton's preferences may be ever bit as
    individualize as Verstappen's.


    Just that other drivers can live with Lewis's but not Verstappens's

    Sure; no non-seqiturs there. /s


    It always seems that you are in such a rush to be contrary that you
    rarely take a moment to actually consider anything.

    Sorry. Wrong again.

    Oh, it certainly does; I am more right than you have been in months.

    :-D

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  • From News@21:1/5 to Bigbird on Mon Jan 10 10:37:41 2022
    On 1/8/2022 5:15 AM, Bigbird wrote:
    Explains a little why Perez had so much trouble closing the gap to Max.
    I think we've seen it many times when a car is developed towards the #1 drivers style/skills.

    https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/single-seaters/f1/when-a-talent-like-max-verstappen-sends-f1-car-design-in-the-wrong-direction-mph

    "Having a top-level driver like Max Verstappen can be a double-edged
    sword, such as in 2020 when the Dutchman's skill masked the dead-end development path that Red Bull was taking..."

    " The car had a characteristic which Max [Verstappen] liked and which
    allowed him to go faster and so as we went further down this path his
    lap times would improve. But it brought with it some instability on
    entry and eventually you come to a point where that is the limiting
    factor and you cannot go any faster. It also made the car very
    difficult for the other drivers.â€




    Was it the wrong direction when the driver won the WDC?

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  • From Darryl Johnson@21:1/5 to News on Mon Jan 10 11:16:47 2022
    On 2022-01-10 10:37 AM, News wrote:
    On 1/8/2022 5:15 AM, Bigbird wrote:
    Explains a little why Perez had so much trouble closing the gap to Max.
    I think we've seen it many times when a car is developed towards the #1
    drivers style/skills.

    https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/single-seaters/f1/when-a-talent-like-max-verstappen-sends-f1-car-design-in-the-wrong-direction-mph


    "Having a top-level driver like Max Verstappen can be a double-edged
    sword, such as in 2020 when the Dutchman's skill masked the dead-end
    development path that Red Bull was taking..."

    " The car had a characteristic which Max [Verstappen] liked and which
    allowed him to go faster and so as we went further down this path his
    lap times would improve. But it brought with it some instability on
    entry and eventually you come to a point where that is the limiting
    factor and you cannot go any faster. It also made the car very
    difficult for the other drivers.â€




    Was it the wrong direction when the driver won the WDC?

    If teams didn't value the Constructor's championship so much, then I
    guess "No" would be the answer to that question.

    Also, since money is paid depending on points won by the team, a more successful "second" driver would be better, financially, for the team.

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  • From Bigbird@21:1/5 to News on Mon Jan 10 20:33:01 2022
    News wrote:

    On 1/8/2022 5:15 AM, Bigbird wrote:
    Explains a little why Perez had so much trouble closing the gap to
    Max. I think we've seen it many times when a car is developed
    towards the #1 drivers style/skills.


    https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/single-seaters/f1/when-a-talent-like-max-verstappen-sends-f1-car-design-in-the-wrong-direction-mph

    "Having a top-level driver like Max Verstappen can be a double-edged
    sword, such as in 2020 when the Dutchman's skill masked the dead-end development path that Red Bull was taking..."

    " The car had a characteristic which Max [Verstappen] liked and
    which allowed him to go faster and so as we went further down this
    path his lap times would improve. But it brought with it some
    instability on entry and eventually you come to a point where that
    is the limiting factor and you cannot go any faster. It also made
    the car very difficult for the other drivers.â€




    Was it the wrong direction when the driver won the WDC?

    LOL,

    ...was it that far over your head or was it beyond your word limit for
    any article?

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  • From News@21:1/5 to Bigbird on Mon Jan 10 16:26:03 2022
    On 1/10/2022 3:33 PM, Bigbird wrote:
    News wrote:

    On 1/8/2022 5:15 AM, Bigbird wrote:
    Explains a little why Perez had so much trouble closing the gap to
    Max. I think we've seen it many times when a car is developed
    towards the #1 drivers style/skills.


    https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/single-seaters/f1/when-a-talent-like-max-verstappen-sends-f1-car-design-in-the-wrong-direction-mph

    "Having a top-level driver like Max Verstappen can be a double-edged
    sword, such as in 2020 when the Dutchman's skill masked the dead-end
    development path that Red Bull was taking..."

    " The car had a characteristic which Max [Verstappen] liked and
    which allowed him to go faster and so as we went further down this
    path his lap times would improve. But it brought with it some
    instability on entry and eventually you come to a point where that
    is the limiting factor and you cannot go any faster. It also made
    the car very difficult for the other drivers.â€




    Was it the wrong direction when the driver won the WDC?

    LOL,

    ...was it that far over your head or was it beyond your word limit for
    any article?



    Lol-wut, indeed. Of course you don't get it. Nor did you the first time.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Bigbird on Mon Jan 10 14:04:30 2022
    On 2022-01-10 5:48 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-01-09 9:16 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-01-08 4:42 p.m., ~misfit~ wrote:
    On 8/01/2022 11:15 pm, Bigbird wrote:
    Explains a little why Perez had so much trouble closing the
    gap to Max. I think we've seen it many times when a car is
    developed towards the #1 drivers style/skills.


    https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/single-seaters/f1/when
    -a-talent-like-max-verstappen-sends-f1-car-design-in-the-wrong
    -dir ection-mph


    "Having a top-level driver like Max Verstappen can be a
    double-edged sword, such as in 2020 when the Dutchman's skill
    masked the dead-end development path that Red Bull was
    taking..."

    " The car had a characteristic which Max [Verstappen] liked
    and which allowed him to go faster and so as we went further
    down this path his lap times would improve. But it brought
    with it some instability on entry and eventually you come to
    a point where that is the limiting factor and you cannot go
    any faster. It also made the car very difficult for the
    other drivers.â€

    Thanks for bringing this to my attention, it confirms something
    I've thought for a while. It's essentially why I referred to
    the second RBR seat as a 'poisoned chalice' a while back in a
    fairly long post. My point was that the car was being built
    and set up around Max, and his driving style is somewhat
    unorthodox.

    That's why Gasly and Albon did so poorly at RBR (yet Gasly went
    on to do so well elsewhere). I hope that Albon similarly proves
    himself worthy of a good seat (or that Williams take a big jump
    forwards).

    I did wonder if a similar thing was happening at Mercedes,
    making Bottas look worse than he was - until George jumped
    into Lewis' (very cramped) seat and blitzed everyone else.

    Except you assume that Russell couldn't have been fast because he
    likes a car setup the way Hamilton does...

    1. we are talking development not just setup.

    We're talking about whether or not a car suits a driver.


    Yup.

    From a driver's perspective a car's characteristics are what matters,
    not whether it got them through development or setup.

    Wrong. Any driver can influence the setup of their car but only within
    the bounds of it's development.

    Yes? So?

    You've simply misinterpreted what I meant and to be fair, I should have
    written it as "set up". I was using it in the generic sense of how the
    car is designed and then developed to be; what handling characteristics
    it has.


    Try reading the article. Then try understanding it.


    2. you are saying Lewis's setup preferences may not be as
    individualised as Max's... which is kind of what the OP was about.

    No. I'm saying that Hamilton's preferences may be ever bit as
    individualize as Verstappen's.


    Just that other drivers can live with Lewis's but not Verstappens's

    No. All we know is that ONE other driver can live with a car that is
    clearly designed, developed and set up to suit Hamilton first and
    foremost. We only know that the car worked for Russell.

    Does that automatically mean that Bottas is a hack? No.

    Similarly, we only know that it took Perez a good long while to come to
    grips with a car that was designed, developed and set up first and
    foremost to suit Verstappen.




    Sure; no non-seqiturs there. /s


    It always seems that you are in such a rush to be contrary that you
    rarely take a moment to actually consider anything.

    Sorry. Wrong again.

    Oh, it certainly does; I am more right than you have been in months.

    You're are, as usual, clueless.

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  • From texas gate@21:1/5 to Alan on Mon Jan 10 15:10:36 2022
    On Monday, January 10, 2022 at 3:04:35 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    You're are, as usual, clueless.

    oh the hypocrisy

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  • From texas gate@21:1/5 to Alan on Mon Jan 10 15:18:50 2022
    On Monday, January 10, 2022 at 3:04:35 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    You're are, as usual, clueless.

    are you 12 years old?

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  • From Bigbird@21:1/5 to News on Tue Jan 11 10:36:59 2022
    News wrote:

    On 1/10/2022 3:33 PM, Bigbird wrote:
    News wrote:

    On 1/8/2022 5:15 AM, Bigbird wrote:
    Explains a little why Perez had so much trouble closing the gap
    to Max. I think we've seen it many times when a car is
    developed towards the #1 drivers style/skills.



    https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/single-seaters/f1/when-a-talent-like-max-verstappen-sends-f1-car-design-in-the-wrong-direction-mph

    "Having a top-level driver like Max Verstappen can be a
    double-edged sword, such as in 2020 when the Dutchman's skill
    masked the dead-end development path that Red Bull was
    taking..."

    " The car had a characteristic which Max [Verstappen] liked and
    which allowed him to go faster and so as we went further down
    this path his lap times would improve. But it brought with it
    some instability on entry and eventually you come to a point
    where that is the limiting factor and you cannot go any faster.
    It also made the car very difficult for the other drivers.â€




    Was it the wrong direction when the driver won the WDC?

    LOL,

    ...was it that far over your head or was it beyond your word limit
    for any article?



    Lol-wut, indeed. Of course you don't get it. Nor did you the first
    time.

    I totally get how fucking stupid your comment is; I pretty sure you do
    too, now you've had some time.

    ...or do you maintain the article was beyond your cognitive abilities.

    A small test.

    Does the article imply that

    a) Max scraped the WDC because of the way the car was developed, or
    b) Max lucked into the WDC despite the way the car was developed?

    The answer is clear but can you see it?

    ...and how did it influence the WCC?

    Ask if you need help.

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  • From Bigbird@21:1/5 to Alan on Tue Jan 11 10:29:40 2022
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-01-10 5:48 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-01-09 9:16 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-01-08 4:42 p.m., ~misfit~ wrote:
    On 8/01/2022 11:15 pm, Bigbird wrote:
    Explains a little why Perez had so much trouble closing
    the gap to Max. I think we've seen it many times when a
    car is developed towards the #1 drivers style/skills.


    https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/single-seaters/f1/when
    -a-talent-like-max-verstappen-sends-f1-car-design-in-the-w
    rong -dir ection-mph


    "Having a top-level driver like Max Verstappen can be a double-edged sword, such as in 2020 when the Dutchman's
    skill masked the dead-end development path that Red Bull
    was taking..."

    " The car had a characteristic which Max [Verstappen]
    liked and which allowed him to go faster and so as we
    went further down this path his lap times would improve.
    But it brought with it some instability on entry and
    eventually you come to a point where that is the limiting
    factor and you cannot go any faster. It also made the
    car very difficult for the other drivers.â€

    Thanks for bringing this to my attention, it confirms
    something I've thought for a while. It's essentially why I referred to the second RBR seat as a 'poisoned chalice' a
    while back in a fairly long post. My point was that the
    car was being built and set up around Max, and his driving
    style is somewhat unorthodox.

    That's why Gasly and Albon did so poorly at RBR (yet Gasly
    went on to do so well elsewhere). I hope that Albon
    similarly proves himself worthy of a good seat (or that
    Williams take a big jump forwards).

    I did wonder if a similar thing was happening at Mercedes,
    making Bottas look worse than he was - until George jumped
    into Lewis' (very cramped) seat and blitzed everyone else.

    Except you assume that Russell couldn't have been fast
    because he likes a car setup the way Hamilton does...

    1. we are talking development not just setup.

    We're talking about whether or not a car suits a driver.


    Yup.

    From a driver's perspective a car's characteristics are what
    matters,
    not whether it got them through development or setup.

    Wrong. Any driver can influence the setup of their car but only
    within the bounds of it's development.

    Yes? So?

    You've simply misinterpreted what I meant and to be fair, I should
    have written it as "set up". I was using it in the generic sense of
    how the car is designed and then developed to be; what handling characteristics it has.


    LOL

    Are you doing a self parody or do you really not realise you are
    arguing against yourself.

    You won't even put your hands up to having misspoke; you now want to
    redefine the language.

    Laughable.


    --
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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Bigbird on Tue Jan 11 09:47:00 2022
    On 2022-01-11 2:29 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-01-10 5:48 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-01-09 9:16 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-01-08 4:42 p.m., ~misfit~ wrote:
    On 8/01/2022 11:15 pm, Bigbird wrote:
    Explains a little why Perez had so much trouble closing
    the gap to Max. I think we've seen it many times when a
    car is developed towards the #1 drivers style/skills.


    https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/single-seaters/f1/when
    -a-talent-like-max-verstappen-sends-f1-car-design-in-the-w
    rong -dir ection-mph


    "Having a top-level driver like Max Verstappen can be a
    double-edged sword, such as in 2020 when the Dutchman's
    skill masked the dead-end development path that Red Bull
    was taking..."

    " The car had a characteristic which Max [Verstappen]
    liked and which allowed him to go faster and so as we
    went further down this path his lap times would improve.
    But it brought with it some instability on entry and
    eventually you come to a point where that is the limiting
    factor and you cannot go any faster. It also made the
    car very difficult for the other drivers.â€

    Thanks for bringing this to my attention, it confirms
    something I've thought for a while. It's essentially why I
    referred to the second RBR seat as a 'poisoned chalice' a
    while back in a fairly long post. My point was that the
    car was being built and set up around Max, and his driving
    style is somewhat unorthodox.

    That's why Gasly and Albon did so poorly at RBR (yet Gasly
    went on to do so well elsewhere). I hope that Albon
    similarly proves himself worthy of a good seat (or that
    Williams take a big jump forwards).

    I did wonder if a similar thing was happening at Mercedes,
    making Bottas look worse than he was - until George jumped
    into Lewis' (very cramped) seat and blitzed everyone else.

    Except you assume that Russell couldn't have been fast
    because he likes a car setup the way Hamilton does...

    1. we are talking development not just setup.

    We're talking about whether or not a car suits a driver.


    Yup.

    From a driver's perspective a car's characteristics are what
    matters,
    not whether it got them through development or setup.

    Wrong. Any driver can influence the setup of their car but only
    within the bounds of it's development.

    Yes? So?

    You've simply misinterpreted what I meant and to be fair, I should
    have written it as "set up". I was using it in the generic sense of
    how the car is designed and then developed to be; what handling
    characteristics it has.


    LOL

    Are you doing a self parody or do you really not realise you are
    arguing against yourself.

    You won't even put your hands up to having misspoke; you now want to
    redefine the language.

    Laughable.

    I notice you've clipped the substance of the post.

    Got it.

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  • From texas gate@21:1/5 to Alan on Tue Jan 11 13:54:25 2022
    On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 10:47:03 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    I notice you've clipped the substance of the post.

    you are a fucking faggot
    notice that?

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  • From News@21:1/5 to Bigbird on Wed Jan 12 10:03:46 2022
    On 1/11/2022 5:36 AM, Bigbird wrote:
    News wrote:

    On 1/10/2022 3:33 PM, Bigbird wrote:
    News wrote:

    On 1/8/2022 5:15 AM, Bigbird wrote:
    Explains a little why Perez had so much trouble closing the gap
    to Max. I think we've seen it many times when a car is
    developed towards the #1 drivers style/skills.



    https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/single-seaters/f1/when-a-talent-like-max-verstappen-sends-f1-car-design-in-the-wrong-direction-mph

    "Having a top-level driver like Max Verstappen can be a
    double-edged sword, such as in 2020 when the Dutchman's skill
    masked the dead-end development path that Red Bull was
    taking..."

    " The car had a characteristic which Max [Verstappen] liked and
    which allowed him to go faster and so as we went further down
    this path his lap times would improve. But it brought with it
    some instability on entry and eventually you come to a point
    where that is the limiting factor and you cannot go any faster.
    It also made the car very difficult for the other drivers.â€




    Was it the wrong direction when the driver won the WDC?

    LOL,

    ...was it that far over your head or was it beyond your word limit
    for any article?



    Lol-wut, indeed. Of course you don't get it. Nor did you the first
    time.

    I totally get how fucking stupid your comment is; I pretty sure you do
    too, now you've had some time.

    ...or do you maintain the article was beyond your cognitive abilities.

    A small test.

    Does the article imply that

    a) Max scraped the WDC because of the way the car was developed, or
    b) Max lucked into the WDC despite the way the car was developed?

    The answer is clear but can you see it?

    ...and how did it influence the WCC?

    Ask if you need help.


    Fine tune your reading comprehension and see if you can figure it out.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Bigbird@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Jan 12 20:47:58 2022
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-01-11 2:29 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-01-10 5:48 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-01-09 9:16 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-01-08 4:42 p.m., ~misfit~ wrote:
    On 8/01/2022 11:15 pm, Bigbird wrote:
    Explains a little why Perez had so much trouble
    closing the gap to Max. I think we've seen it many
    times when a car is developed towards the #1 drivers style/skills.



    https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/single-seaters/f1/when
    -a-talent-like-max-verstappen-sends-f1-car-design-in-t
    he-w rong -dir ection-mph


    "Having a top-level driver like Max Verstappen can be
    a double-edged sword, such as in 2020 when the
    Dutchman's skill masked the dead-end development path
    that Red Bull was taking..."

    " The car had a characteristic which Max [Verstappen]
    liked and which allowed him to go faster and so as we
    went further down this path his lap times would
    improve. But it brought with it some instability on
    entry and eventually you come to a point where that
    is the limiting factor and you cannot go any faster.
    It also made the car very difficult for the other
    drivers.â€

    Thanks for bringing this to my attention, it confirms
    something I've thought for a while. It's essentially
    why I referred to the second RBR seat as a 'poisoned
    chalice' a while back in a fairly long post. My point
    was that the car was being built and set up around Max,
    and his driving style is somewhat unorthodox.

    That's why Gasly and Albon did so poorly at RBR (yet
    Gasly went on to do so well elsewhere). I hope that
    Albon similarly proves himself worthy of a good seat
    (or that Williams take a big jump forwards).

    I did wonder if a similar thing was happening at
    Mercedes, making Bottas look worse than he was - until
    George jumped into Lewis' (very cramped) seat and
    blitzed everyone else.

    Except you assume that Russell couldn't have been fast
    because he likes a car setup the way Hamilton does...

    1. we are talking development not just setup.

    We're talking about whether or not a car suits a driver.


    Yup.

    From a driver's perspective a car's characteristics are what
    matters,
    not whether it got them through development or setup.

    Wrong. Any driver can influence the setup of their car but only
    within the bounds of it's development.

    Yes? So?

    You've simply misinterpreted what I meant and to be fair, I should
    have written it as "set up". I was using it in the generic sense
    of how the car is designed and then developed to be; what handling characteristics it has.


    LOL

    Are you doing a self parody or do you really not realise you are
    arguing against yourself.

    You won't even put your hands up to having misspoke; you now want to redefine the language.

    Laughable.

    I notice you've clipped the substance of the post.

    Got it.

    Liar.

    I notice your inability to respond.

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  • From Bigbird@21:1/5 to News on Wed Jan 12 20:50:02 2022
    News wrote:

    On 1/11/2022 5:36 AM, Bigbird wrote:
    News wrote:

    On 1/10/2022 3:33 PM, Bigbird wrote:
    News wrote:

    On 1/8/2022 5:15 AM, Bigbird wrote:
    Explains a little why Perez had so much trouble closing the
    gap to Max. I think we've seen it many times when a car is developed towards the #1 drivers style/skills.




    https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/single-seaters/f1/when-a-talent-like-max-verstappen-sends-f1-car-design-in-the-wrong-direction-mph

    "Having a top-level driver like Max Verstappen can be a double-edged sword, such as in 2020 when the Dutchman's
    skill masked the dead-end development path that Red Bull was taking..."

    " The car had a characteristic which Max [Verstappen] liked
    and which allowed him to go faster and so as we went
    further down this path his lap times would improve. But it
    brought with it some instability on entry and eventually
    you come to a point where that is the limiting factor and
    you cannot go any faster. It also made the car very
    difficult for the other drivers.â€




    Was it the wrong direction when the driver won the WDC?

    LOL,

    ...was it that far over your head or was it beyond your word
    limit for any article?



    Lol-wut, indeed. Of course you don't get it. Nor did you the first
    time.

    I totally get how fucking stupid your comment is; I pretty sure you
    do too, now you've had some time.

    ...or do you maintain the article was beyond your cognitive
    abilities.

    A small test.

    Does the article imply that

    a) Max scraped the WDC because of the way the car was developed, or
    b) Max lucked into the WDC despite the way the car was developed?

    The answer is clear but can you see it?

    ...and how did it influence the WCC?

    Ask if you need help.


    Fine tune your reading comprehension and see if you can figure it out.

    I figured out that you are clueless... and you have just confirmed it.

    :-D

    --
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  • From News@21:1/5 to Bigbird on Wed Jan 12 16:26:18 2022
    On 1/12/2022 3:50 PM, Bigbird wrote:
    News wrote:

    On 1/11/2022 5:36 AM, Bigbird wrote:
    News wrote:

    On 1/10/2022 3:33 PM, Bigbird wrote:
    News wrote:

    On 1/8/2022 5:15 AM, Bigbird wrote:
    Explains a little why Perez had so much trouble closing the
    gap to Max. I think we've seen it many times when a car is
    developed towards the #1 drivers style/skills.




    https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/single-seaters/f1/when-a-talent-like-max-verstappen-sends-f1-car-design-in-the-wrong-direction-mph

    "Having a top-level driver like Max Verstappen can be a
    double-edged sword, such as in 2020 when the Dutchman's
    skill masked the dead-end development path that Red Bull was
    taking..."

    " The car had a characteristic which Max [Verstappen] liked
    and which allowed him to go faster and so as we went
    further down this path his lap times would improve. But it
    brought with it some instability on entry and eventually
    you come to a point where that is the limiting factor and
    you cannot go any faster. It also made the car very
    difficult for the other drivers.â€




    Was it the wrong direction when the driver won the WDC?

    LOL,

    ...was it that far over your head or was it beyond your word
    limit for any article?



    Lol-wut, indeed. Of course you don't get it. Nor did you the first
    time.

    I totally get how fucking stupid your comment is; I pretty sure you
    do too, now you've had some time.

    ...or do you maintain the article was beyond your cognitive
    abilities.

    A small test.

    Does the article imply that

    a) Max scraped the WDC because of the way the car was developed, or
    b) Max lucked into the WDC despite the way the car was developed?

    The answer is clear but can you see it?

    ...and how did it influence the WCC?

    Ask if you need help.


    Fine tune your reading comprehension and see if you can figure it out.

    I figured out that you are clueless... and you have just confirmed it.

    :-D


    Keep satisfying yourself. Change hands now and then.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Bigbird@21:1/5 to News on Wed Jan 12 22:56:17 2022
    News wrote:

    On 1/12/2022 3:50 PM, Bigbird wrote:
    News wrote:

    On 1/11/2022 5:36 AM, Bigbird wrote:
    News wrote:

    On 1/10/2022 3:33 PM, Bigbird wrote:
    News wrote:

    On 1/8/2022 5:15 AM, Bigbird wrote:
    Explains a little why Perez had so much trouble closing
    the gap to Max. I think we've seen it many times when
    a car is developed towards the #1 drivers style/skills.





    https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/single-seaters/f1/when-a-talent-like-max-verstappen-sends-f1-car-design-in-the-wrong-direction-mph

    "Having a top-level driver like Max Verstappen can be a double-edged sword, such as in 2020 when the Dutchman's
    skill masked the dead-end development path that Red
    Bull was taking..."

    " The car had a characteristic which Max [Verstappen]
    liked and which allowed him to go faster and so as we
    went further down this path his lap times would
    improve. But it brought with it some instability on
    entry and eventually you come to a point where that is
    the limiting factor and you cannot go any faster. It
    also made the car very difficult for the other drivers.â€




    Was it the wrong direction when the driver won the WDC?

    LOL,

    ...was it that far over your head or was it beyond your word
    limit for any article?



    Lol-wut, indeed. Of course you don't get it. Nor did you the
    first time.

    I totally get how fucking stupid your comment is; I pretty sure
    you do too, now you've had some time.

    ...or do you maintain the article was beyond your cognitive
    abilities.

    A small test.

    Does the article imply that

    a) Max scraped the WDC because of the way the car was
    developed, or b) Max lucked into the WDC despite the way the
    car was developed?

    The answer is clear but can you see it?

    ...and how did it influence the WCC?

    Ask if you need help.


    Fine tune your reading comprehension and see if you can figure it
    out.

    I figured out that you are clueless... and you have just confirmed
    it.

    :-D


    Keep satisfying yourself. Change hands now and then.

    Keep running dickless.

    --
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    Felicity
    George R
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    Build
    Texasgate
    Enjoy!

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  • From News@21:1/5 to Bigbird on Thu Jan 13 09:56:55 2022
    On 1/12/2022 5:56 PM, Bigbird wrote:
    News wrote:

    On 1/12/2022 3:50 PM, Bigbird wrote:
    News wrote:

    On 1/11/2022 5:36 AM, Bigbird wrote:
    News wrote:

    On 1/10/2022 3:33 PM, Bigbird wrote:
    News wrote:

    On 1/8/2022 5:15 AM, Bigbird wrote:
    Explains a little why Perez had so much trouble closing
    the gap to Max. I think we've seen it many times when
    a car is developed towards the #1 drivers style/skills.





    https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/single-seaters/f1/when-a-talent-like-max-verstappen-sends-f1-car-design-in-the-wrong-direction-mph

    "Having a top-level driver like Max Verstappen can be a
    double-edged sword, such as in 2020 when the Dutchman's
    skill masked the dead-end development path that Red
    Bull was taking..."

    " The car had a characteristic which Max [Verstappen]
    liked and which allowed him to go faster and so as we
    went further down this path his lap times would
    improve. But it brought with it some instability on
    entry and eventually you come to a point where that is
    the limiting factor and you cannot go any faster. It
    also made the car very difficult for the other drivers.â€




    Was it the wrong direction when the driver won the WDC?

    LOL,

    ...was it that far over your head or was it beyond your word
    limit for any article?



    Lol-wut, indeed. Of course you don't get it. Nor did you the
    first time.

    I totally get how fucking stupid your comment is; I pretty sure
    you do too, now you've had some time.

    ...or do you maintain the article was beyond your cognitive
    abilities.

    A small test.

    Does the article imply that

    a) Max scraped the WDC because of the way the car was
    developed, or b) Max lucked into the WDC despite the way the
    car was developed?

    The answer is clear but can you see it?

    ...and how did it influence the WCC?

    Ask if you need help.


    Fine tune your reading comprehension and see if you can figure it
    out.

    I figured out that you are clueless... and you have just confirmed
    it.

    :-D


    Keep satisfying yourself. Change hands now and then.

    Keep running dickless.



    Take the blue pill, fluffer. Still won't work?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From News@21:1/5 to Bigbird on Thu Jan 13 16:05:12 2022
    On 1/13/2022 3:54 PM, Bigbird wrote:
    News wrote:

    On 1/12/2022 5:56 PM, Bigbird wrote:
    News wrote:

    On 1/12/2022 3:50 PM, Bigbird wrote:
    News wrote:

    On 1/11/2022 5:36 AM, Bigbird wrote:
    News wrote:

    On 1/10/2022 3:33 PM, Bigbird wrote:
    News wrote:

    On 1/8/2022 5:15 AM, Bigbird wrote:
    Explains a little why Perez had so much trouble
    closing the gap to Max. I think we've seen it many
    times when a car is developed towards the #1
    drivers style/skills.






    https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/single-seaters/f1/when-a-talent-like-max-verstappen-sends-f1-car-design-in-the-wrong-direction-mph

    "Having a top-level driver like Max Verstappen can
    be a double-edged sword, such as in 2020 when the
    Dutchman's skill masked the dead-end development
    path that Red Bull was taking..."

    " The car had a characteristic which Max
    [Verstappen] liked and which allowed him to go
    faster and so as we went further down this path his
    lap times would improve. But it brought with it
    some instability on entry and eventually you come
    to a point where that is the limiting factor and
    you cannot go any faster. It also made the car
    very difficult for the other drivers.â€




    Was it the wrong direction when the driver won the
    WDC?

    LOL,

    ...was it that far over your head or was it beyond your
    word limit for any article?



    Lol-wut, indeed. Of course you don't get it. Nor did you
    the first time.

    I totally get how fucking stupid your comment is; I pretty
    sure you do too, now you've had some time.

    ...or do you maintain the article was beyond your cognitive
    abilities.

    A small test.

    Does the article imply that

    a) Max scraped the WDC because of the way the car was
    developed, or b) Max lucked into the WDC despite the way the
    car was developed?

    The answer is clear but can you see it?

    ...and how did it influence the WCC?

    Ask if you need help.


    Fine tune your reading comprehension and see if you can
    figure it out.

    I figured out that you are clueless... and you have just
    confirmed it.

    :-D


    Keep satisfying yourself. Change hands now and then.

    Keep running dickless.



    Take the blue pill, fluffer. Still won't work?

    You could only wish to have a reason to "take the blue pill" but I'm am unsurprised not being able to get it up is the first thing on your
    mind...

    ...you kind of gave the whole game away there, dickless.



    Yes, you did.

    Sound of sad trombone...

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Bigbird@21:1/5 to News on Thu Jan 13 20:54:28 2022
    News wrote:

    On 1/12/2022 5:56 PM, Bigbird wrote:
    News wrote:

    On 1/12/2022 3:50 PM, Bigbird wrote:
    News wrote:

    On 1/11/2022 5:36 AM, Bigbird wrote:
    News wrote:

    On 1/10/2022 3:33 PM, Bigbird wrote:
    News wrote:

    On 1/8/2022 5:15 AM, Bigbird wrote:
    Explains a little why Perez had so much trouble
    closing the gap to Max. I think we've seen it many
    times when a car is developed towards the #1
    drivers style/skills.






    https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/single-seaters/f1/when-a-talent-like-max-verstappen-sends-f1-car-design-in-the-wrong-direction-mph

    "Having a top-level driver like Max Verstappen can
    be a double-edged sword, such as in 2020 when the Dutchman's skill masked the dead-end development
    path that Red Bull was taking..."

    " The car had a characteristic which Max
    [Verstappen] liked and which allowed him to go
    faster and so as we went further down this path his
    lap times would improve. But it brought with it
    some instability on entry and eventually you come
    to a point where that is the limiting factor and
    you cannot go any faster. It also made the car
    very difficult for the other drivers.â€




    Was it the wrong direction when the driver won the
    WDC?

    LOL,

    ...was it that far over your head or was it beyond your
    word limit for any article?



    Lol-wut, indeed. Of course you don't get it. Nor did you
    the first time.

    I totally get how fucking stupid your comment is; I pretty
    sure you do too, now you've had some time.

    ...or do you maintain the article was beyond your cognitive abilities.

    A small test.

    Does the article imply that

    a) Max scraped the WDC because of the way the car was
    developed, or b) Max lucked into the WDC despite the way the
    car was developed?

    The answer is clear but can you see it?

    ...and how did it influence the WCC?

    Ask if you need help.


    Fine tune your reading comprehension and see if you can
    figure it out.

    I figured out that you are clueless... and you have just
    confirmed it.

    :-D


    Keep satisfying yourself. Change hands now and then.

    Keep running dickless.



    Take the blue pill, fluffer. Still won't work?

    You could only wish to have a reason to "take the blue pill" but I'm am unsurprised not being able to get it up is the first thing on your
    mind...

    ...you kind of gave the whole game away there, dickless.

    --
    Bozo bin
    Felicity
    George R
    Irving S
    Build
    Texasgate
    Enjoy!

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  • From Bigbird@21:1/5 to News on Thu Jan 13 21:20:40 2022
    News wrote:

    On 1/13/2022 3:54 PM, Bigbird wrote:
    News wrote:

    On 1/12/2022 5:56 PM, Bigbird wrote:
    News wrote:

    On 1/12/2022 3:50 PM, Bigbird wrote:
    News wrote:

    On 1/11/2022 5:36 AM, Bigbird wrote:
    News wrote:

    On 1/10/2022 3:33 PM, Bigbird wrote:
    News wrote:

    On 1/8/2022 5:15 AM, Bigbird wrote:
    Explains a little why Perez had so much trouble
    closing the gap to Max. I think we've seen it
    many times when a car is developed towards the
    #1 drivers style/skills.







    https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/single-seaters/f1/when-a-talent-like-max-verstappen-sends-f1-car-design-in-the-wrong-direction-mph

    "Having a top-level driver like Max Verstappen
    can be a double-edged sword, such as in 2020
    when the Dutchman's skill masked the dead-end development path that Red Bull was taking..."

    " The car had a characteristic which Max
    [Verstappen] liked and which allowed him to go
    faster and so as we went further down this path
    his lap times would improve. But it brought
    with it some instability on entry and
    eventually you come to a point where that is
    the limiting factor and you cannot go any
    faster. It also made the car very difficult
    for the other drivers.â€




    Was it the wrong direction when the driver won the
    WDC?

    LOL,

    ...was it that far over your head or was it beyond
    your word limit for any article?



    Lol-wut, indeed. Of course you don't get it. Nor did
    you the first time.

    I totally get how fucking stupid your comment is; I
    pretty sure you do too, now you've had some time.

    ...or do you maintain the article was beyond your
    cognitive abilities.

    A small test.

    Does the article imply that

    a) Max scraped the WDC because of the way the car was developed, or b) Max lucked into the WDC despite the
    way the car was developed?

    The answer is clear but can you see it?

    ...and how did it influence the WCC?

    Ask if you need help.


    Fine tune your reading comprehension and see if you can
    figure it out.

    I figured out that you are clueless... and you have just
    confirmed it.

    :-D


    Keep satisfying yourself. Change hands now and then.

    Keep running dickless.



    Take the blue pill, fluffer. Still won't work?

    You could only wish to have a reason to "take the blue pill" but
    I'm am unsurprised not being able to get it up is the first thing
    on your mind...

    ...you kind of gave the whole game away there, dickless.



    Yes, you did.

    Sound of sad trombone...

    Yet another flaccid response...

    ...and "name of your sex tape".

    :-)

    --
    Bozo bin
    Felicity
    George R
    Irving S
    Build
    Texasgate
    Enjoy!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From News@21:1/5 to Bigbird on Fri Jan 14 08:56:11 2022
    On 1/13/2022 4:20 PM, Bigbird wrote:
    News wrote:

    On 1/13/2022 3:54 PM, Bigbird wrote:
    News wrote:

    On 1/12/2022 5:56 PM, Bigbird wrote:
    News wrote:

    On 1/12/2022 3:50 PM, Bigbird wrote:
    News wrote:

    On 1/11/2022 5:36 AM, Bigbird wrote:
    News wrote:

    On 1/10/2022 3:33 PM, Bigbird wrote:
    News wrote:

    On 1/8/2022 5:15 AM, Bigbird wrote:
    Explains a little why Perez had so much trouble
    closing the gap to Max. I think we've seen it
    many times when a car is developed towards the
    #1 drivers style/skills.







    https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/single-seaters/f1/when-a-talent-like-max-verstappen-sends-f1-car-design-in-the-wrong-direction-mph

    "Having a top-level driver like Max Verstappen
    can be a double-edged sword, such as in 2020
    when the Dutchman's skill masked the dead-end
    development path that Red Bull was taking..."

    " The car had a characteristic which Max
    [Verstappen] liked and which allowed him to go
    faster and so as we went further down this path
    his lap times would improve. But it brought
    with it some instability on entry and
    eventually you come to a point where that is
    the limiting factor and you cannot go any
    faster. It also made the car very difficult
    for the other drivers.â€




    Was it the wrong direction when the driver won the
    WDC?

    LOL,

    ...was it that far over your head or was it beyond
    your word limit for any article?



    Lol-wut, indeed. Of course you don't get it. Nor did
    you the first time.

    I totally get how fucking stupid your comment is; I
    pretty sure you do too, now you've had some time.

    ...or do you maintain the article was beyond your
    cognitive abilities.

    A small test.

    Does the article imply that

    a) Max scraped the WDC because of the way the car was
    developed, or b) Max lucked into the WDC despite the
    way the car was developed?

    The answer is clear but can you see it?

    ...and how did it influence the WCC?

    Ask if you need help.


    Fine tune your reading comprehension and see if you can
    figure it out.

    I figured out that you are clueless... and you have just
    confirmed it.

    :-D


    Keep satisfying yourself. Change hands now and then.

    Keep running dickless.



    Take the blue pill, fluffer. Still won't work?

    You could only wish to have a reason to "take the blue pill" but
    I'm am unsurprised not being able to get it up is the first thing
    on your mind...

    ...you kind of gave the whole game away there, dickless.



    Yes, you did.

    Sound of sad trombone...

    Yet another flaccid response...

    ...and "name of your sex tape".

    :-)



    <yawn>

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Bigbird@21:1/5 to News on Fri Jan 14 20:14:56 2022
    News wrote:

    On 1/13/2022 4:20 PM, Bigbird wrote:

    Yet another flaccid response...

    ...and "name of your sex tape".

    :-)



    <yawn>

    Goto line 1

    --
    Bozo bin
    Felicity
    George R
    Irving S
    Build
    Texasgate
    Enjoy!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From News@21:1/5 to Bigbird on Fri Jan 14 15:28:50 2022
    On 1/14/2022 3:14 PM, Bigbird wrote:
    News wrote:

    On 1/13/2022 4:20 PM, Bigbird wrote:

    Yet another flaccid response...

    ...and "name of your sex tape".

    :-)



    <yawn>

    Goto line 1



    Same result; <yawn>

    Have another?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Bigbird@21:1/5 to News on Fri Jan 14 20:52:32 2022
    News wrote:

    On 1/14/2022 3:14 PM, Bigbird wrote:
    News wrote:

    On 1/13/2022 4:20 PM, Bigbird wrote:



    Yet another flaccid response...

    ...and "name of your sex tape".

    :-)



    <yawn>

    Goto line 1



    Same result; <yawn>


    As predicted. If you feel the need to respond...

    Have another?

    ...Goto line 1

    It's sad that you need it explained to you, dickless.

    (For my next trick: take a piece of paper and write PTO on both sides;
    that's you occupied for several hours)

    --
    Bozo bin
    Felicity
    George R
    Irving S
    Build
    Texasgate
    Enjoy!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From News@21:1/5 to Bigbird on Fri Jan 14 15:56:37 2022
    On 1/14/2022 3:52 PM, Bigbird wrote:
    News wrote:

    On 1/14/2022 3:14 PM, Bigbird wrote:
    News wrote:

    On 1/13/2022 4:20 PM, Bigbird wrote:



    Yet another flaccid response...

    ...and "name of your sex tape".

    :-)



    <yawn>

    Goto line 1



    Same result; <yawn>


    As predicted. If you feel the need to respond...

    Have another?

    ...Goto line 1

    It's sad that you need it explained to you, dickless.

    (For my next trick: take a piece of paper and write PTO on both sides;
    that's you occupied for several hours)



    Show your work. I'll wait.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)