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    From XYXPDQ@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 16 11:45:58 2021
    Which drivers are likely to take penalty for using a fourth "power unit"?

    Max has to and I think Lewis will. Anyone else?

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  • From geoff@21:1/5 to XYXPDQ on Fri Sep 17 09:59:05 2021
    On 17/09/2021 6:45 am, XYXPDQ wrote:
    Which drivers are likely to take penalty for using a fourth "power unit"?

    Max has to and I think Lewis will. Anyone else?


    Now *that* would be interesting if penalties taken in the same race !

    Or brief.

    geoff

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  • From Darryl Johnson@21:1/5 to geoff on Thu Sep 16 18:14:00 2021
    On 2021-09-16 5:59 PM, geoff wrote:
    On 17/09/2021 6:45 am, XYXPDQ wrote:
    Which drivers are likely to take penalty for using a fourth "power unit"?

    Max has to and I think Lewis will.  Anyone else?


    Now *that* would be interesting if penalties taken in the same race !

    Or brief.

    geoff

    I blieve I read that Max would take his penalty at the next race, since
    he has a three place grid penalty already. This slightly mitigates the
    engine penalty.

    I would not -- if I were in charge, which I obviously not -- do an
    engine change for Lewis at the same event. But cannier people than I
    work for the Mercedes team, so who's to know how it will turn out?

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  • From Mark Jackson@21:1/5 to Darryl Johnson on Thu Sep 16 20:50:56 2021
    On 9/16/2021 6:14 PM, Darryl Johnson wrote:
    On 2021-09-16 5:59 PM, geoff wrote:
    On 17/09/2021 6:45 am, XYXPDQ wrote:
    Which drivers are likely to take penalty for using a fourth "power
    unit"?

    Max has to and I think Lewis will.  Anyone else?


    Now *that* would be interesting if penalties taken in the same race !

    Or brief.

    geoff

    I blieve I read that Max would take his penalty at the next race, since
    he has a three place grid penalty already. This slightly mitigates the
    engine penalty.

    I would not -- if I were in charge, which I obviously not -- do an
    engine change for Lewis at the same event. But cannier people than I
    work for the Mercedes team, so who's to know how it will turn out?

    Wolff claims that Lewis' power unit is still in good shape and that he
    might not need to take the penalty for a 4th at all.

    Or maybe he's just being canny, saying this to sow uncertainty at Red Bull.

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  • From Brian Lawrence@21:1/5 to XYXPDQ on Fri Sep 17 08:28:15 2021
    On 16/09/2021 19:45, XYXPDQ wrote:

    Which drivers are likely to take penalty for using a fourth "power unit"?

    Max has to and I think Lewis will. Anyone else?

    Everyone has already used three of most of their PU elements, with Perez
    & Bottas already penalised for using their fourth elements - BOT took
    the penalties at Monza.

    All drivers have used three ICEs, TCs & MGU-Hs, but RIC, STR, LEC, SAI,
    RAI, GIO, MAZ, MSC, RUS & LAT are still on their 2nd.

    All drivers have used two ES' & CEs - I think that is the max allowed.

    Exhaust systems (EX) were recently added to the list of restricted
    elements, with a limit of 8 per season. Ocon has already used 8, but
    everyone else is safe enough - Alonso is on 7 & Perez 6.

    Usually FIA doc. #4 lists the situation at the start of each event,
    with any additional changes published during events.

    Perhaps the most important thing is when they each started using their
    third elements. I'd have to check on that.

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  • From Brian Lawrence@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 17 11:40:13 2021
    On 17/09/2021 08:28, Brian Lawrence wrote:

    I missed Gasly who had all new PU elements installed for the
    race (Italy).

    George Russell used his 3rd ICE, TC & MGU-H in Event 9/Austria

    Vettel & Ocon - 10/GBR (VET not MGU-K)

    Sainz 11/HUN (not MGU-K)
    Verstappen 11/HUN (all 4)

    Hamilton 12/BEL (all 4)
    Bottas "
    Ricciardo (not MGU-K)
    Norris (all 4)
    Stroll (not MGU-K)
    Alonso (not MGU-H)
    Leclerc (not MGU-K)
    Tsunoda (only ICE & MGU-K)
    Latifi (not MGU-K)

    Räikkönen 13/NED (not MGU-K)
    Giovinazzi "
    Mazepin "
    Schumacher "

    Note that the FIA docs. include 'changes in Parc Ferme' where late
    element changes appear rather than in a separate document.

    There have been several element changes where the newly installed
    element is marked as 'previously used'. I noted that Hamilton
    had used his 3rd elements at Spa, but reverted to previously
    used once for the 'race'. So his 'new' elements had very little
    running at that event.

    Most drivers received their 2nd PU elements (the main 4) at Baku,
    and their 3rd ones at Spa - every 6 Events. In normal usage they
    could anticipate needing to use 4th elements after Event 18 (Mexico),
    though it also depends on the distance they have covered up to that
    point.

    Gearbox penalties are also possible, but less predictable.

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  • From News@21:1/5 to Brian Lawrence on Fri Sep 17 09:57:44 2021
    On 9/17/2021 6:40 AM, Brian Lawrence wrote:
    On 17/09/2021 08:28, Brian Lawrence wrote:

    I missed Gasly who had all new PU elements installed for the
    race (Italy).

    George Russell used his 3rd ICE, TC & MGU-H in Event 9/Austria

    Vettel & Ocon  -  10/GBR   (VET not MGU-K)

    Sainz             11/HUN   (not MGU-K)
    Verstappen        11/HUN   (all 4)

    Hamilton          12/BEL   (all 4) Bottas                        " Ricciardo                  (not MGU-K) Norris                     (all 4) Stroll                     (not MGU-K) Alonso                     (not MGU-H) Leclerc                    (not MGU-K) Tsunoda                    (only ICE & MGU-K) Latifi                     (not MGU-K)

    Räikkönen         13/NED   (not MGU-K) Giovinazzi                      " Mazepin                         " Schumacher                      "

    Note that the FIA docs. include 'changes in Parc Ferme' where late
    element changes appear rather than in a separate document.

    There have been several element changes where the newly installed
    element is marked as 'previously used'. I noted that Hamilton
    had used his 3rd elements at Spa, but reverted to previously
    used once for the 'race'. So his 'new' elements had very little
    running at that event.

    Most drivers received their 2nd PU elements (the main 4) at Baku,
    and their 3rd ones at Spa - every 6 Events. In normal usage they
    could anticipate needing to use 4th elements after Event 18 (Mexico),
    though it also depends on the distance they have covered up to that
    point.

    Gearbox penalties are also possible, but less predictable.



    Oh, for the days of the simplicity, availability, and low costs of the
    Cosworth DFV and Hewland manual gearbox...

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  • From texas gate@21:1/5 to News on Fri Sep 17 11:31:54 2021
    On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 7:57:49 AM UTC-6, News wrote:

    Oh, for the days of the simplicity, availability, and low costs of the Cosworth DFV and Hewland manual gearbox...

    Yup. Walked 2 miles to school.
    Uphill, there and back.

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