• Horner blasted by race director...

    From leonard hofstatder@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 23 07:41:01 2021
    ...apologized to track marshall

    ...wanker!

    ;-D


    https://twitter.com/bobvarsha/status/1463119288701788161

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  • From News@21:1/5 to leonard hofstatder on Tue Nov 23 10:29:09 2021
    On 11/23/2021 8:41 AM, leonard hofstatder wrote:
    ...apologized to track marshall

    ...wanker!

    ;-D


    https://twitter.com/bobvarsha/status/1463119288701788161


    Varsha is correct about competent marshaling.

    Local or fly-in marshal? How experienced with FIA series races?

    Horner is going along to get along.

    Marko has no such need; speaks his mind.


    Uncoordinated or random display of flags is fundamentally unsafe to drivers, and is addressed by rostering competent marshals.

    Failing their local availability, refuse to race where competent volunteers won't travel.

    Period.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to News on Tue Nov 23 10:59:35 2021
    On 2021-11-23 7:29 a.m., News wrote:
    On 11/23/2021 8:41 AM, leonard hofstatder wrote:
    ...apologized to track marshall

    ...wanker!

    ;-D


    https://twitter.com/bobvarsha/status/1463119288701788161


    Varsha is correct about competent marshaling.

    Local or fly-in marshal? How experienced with FIA series races?

    Horner is going along to get along.

    Marko has no such need; speaks his mind.

    Speaking one's mind is not a license to be a jerk.

    Horner was right to apologize as he didn't know that the marshal was in
    any way "rogue" to begin with.

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  • From News@21:1/5 to Alan on Tue Nov 23 16:37:26 2021
    On 11/23/2021 1:59 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-23 7:29 a.m., News wrote:
    On 11/23/2021 8:41 AM, leonard hofstatder wrote:
    ...apologized to track marshall

    ...wanker!

    ;-D


    https://twitter.com/bobvarsha/status/1463119288701788161


    Varsha is correct about competent marshaling.

    Local or fly-in marshal? How experienced with FIA series races?

    Horner is going along to get along.

    Marko has no such need; speaks his mind.

    Speaking one's mind is not a license to be a jerk.

    Horner was right to apologize as he didn't know that the marshal was in
    any way "rogue" to begin with.


    Facts are sufficient justification.

    'Rogue' signifies actions at odds with the preponderance of facts on the ground, which appears a valid concern. It is not a personal attack.

    Did the marshal have prior top-tier FIA race experience?

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to News on Tue Nov 23 14:39:05 2021
    On 2021-11-23 1:37 p.m., News wrote:
    On 11/23/2021 1:59 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-23 7:29 a.m., News wrote:
    On 11/23/2021 8:41 AM, leonard hofstatder wrote:
    ...apologized to track marshall

    ...wanker!

    ;-D


    https://twitter.com/bobvarsha/status/1463119288701788161


    Varsha is correct about competent marshaling.

    Local or fly-in marshal? How experienced with FIA series races?

    Horner is going along to get along.

    Marko has no such need; speaks his mind.

    Speaking one's mind is not a license to be a jerk.

    Horner was right to apologize as he didn't know that the marshal was
    in any way "rogue" to begin with.


    Facts are sufficient justification.

    'Rogue' signifies actions at odds with the preponderance of facts on the ground, which appears a valid concern. It is not a personal attack.

    You are apparently unfamiliar with the definition of "rogue". Allow me:

    "a person or thing that behaves in an aberrant or unpredictable way,
    typically with damaging or dangerous effects: he hacked into data and
    ran rogue programs | a rogue cop who took the law into his own hands."

    There is no evidence that the marshal behaved in any way that was in the
    least "aberrant or unpredictable".

    There was a car stopped (or very nearly stopped) on the track, and the
    normal and utterly predictable result of that is a yellow flag.

    What WOULD be aberrant is NOT displaying at least a yellow flag until
    race control told you.


    Did the marshal have prior top-tier FIA race experience?

    I don't know, but let us face it: neither do you.

    What I DO know is that the FIA is unlikely to allow anyone without
    top-tier experience to marshal an F1 race.

    I know this because I happen to have a friend who has been one of the
    stewards at the Montreal Grand Prix on multiple occasions.

    And having marshalled races myself, I can tell you, that when you see an incident that calls for a yellow flag, you DO NOT WAIT to be told to
    display it.

    As I said before, a marshalling team will consist of one person (at
    least) whose only job is to look at the section of the track beyond the marshalling station and to wave the flag for anything he sees.

    He (or she) does not have the time to check if it might be better to
    wait until hearing back from race control, because...

    Guess what!?!!

    ...he (or she) is NOT looking UP track to see how soon the next car
    might arrive!

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  • From Matt Larkin@21:1/5 to News on Wed Nov 24 00:22:28 2021
    On Tuesday, 23 November 2021 at 21:37:30 UTC, News wrote:
    On 11/23/2021 1:59 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-23 7:29 a.m., News wrote:
    On 11/23/2021 8:41 AM, leonard hofstatder wrote:
    ...apologized to track marshall

    ...wanker!

    ;-D


    https://twitter.com/bobvarsha/status/1463119288701788161


    Varsha is correct about competent marshaling.

    Local or fly-in marshal? How experienced with FIA series races?

    Horner is going along to get along.

    Marko has no such need; speaks his mind.

    Speaking one's mind is not a license to be a jerk.

    Horner was right to apologize as he didn't know that the marshal was in
    any way "rogue" to begin with.
    Facts are sufficient justification.

    'Rogue' signifies actions at odds with the preponderance of facts on the ground, which appears a valid concern. It is not a personal attack.

    Did the marshal have prior top-tier FIA race experience?
    It's irrelevant.

    The marshal has been put on post.

    The marshal has been given instructions.

    The marshal has waved their flag at a time they considered it to be
    appropriate and necessary.

    The only thing a driver has to do is to observe and obey the flag.

    If indeed "rogue" marshals ever did exist at a race track, randomly
    waving a flag whenever they thought it was a good idea, all the drivers
    should ever have to do is to follow that instruction.

    Marshals need to act autonomously, and immediately. Drivers just need
    to obey.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Matt Larkin on Wed Nov 24 01:12:21 2021
    On 2021-11-24 12:22 a.m., Matt Larkin wrote:
    On Tuesday, 23 November 2021 at 21:37:30 UTC, News wrote:
    On 11/23/2021 1:59 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-23 7:29 a.m., News wrote:
    On 11/23/2021 8:41 AM, leonard hofstatder wrote:
    ...apologized to track marshall

    ...wanker!

    ;-D


    https://twitter.com/bobvarsha/status/1463119288701788161


    Varsha is correct about competent marshaling.

    Local or fly-in marshal? How experienced with FIA series races?

    Horner is going along to get along.

    Marko has no such need; speaks his mind.

    Speaking one's mind is not a license to be a jerk.

    Horner was right to apologize as he didn't know that the marshal was in
    any way "rogue" to begin with.
    Facts are sufficient justification.

    'Rogue' signifies actions at odds with the preponderance of facts on the
    ground, which appears a valid concern. It is not a personal attack.

    Did the marshal have prior top-tier FIA race experience?
    It's irrelevant.

    The marshal has been put on post.

    The marshal has been given instructions.

    The marshal has waved their flag at a time they considered it to be appropriate and necessary.

    The only thing a driver has to do is to observe and obey the flag.

    If indeed "rogue" marshals ever did exist at a race track, randomly
    waving a flag whenever they thought it was a good idea, all the drivers should ever have to do is to follow that instruction.

    Marshals need to act autonomously, and immediately. Drivers just need
    to obey.


    Yes!

    And if a marshal doesn't do the job properly, he won't be a marshal for
    long.

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  • From ~misfit~@21:1/5 to Matt Larkin on Thu Nov 25 01:54:59 2021
    On 24/11/2021 9:22 pm, Matt Larkin wrote:
    On Tuesday, 23 November 2021 at 21:37:30 UTC, News wrote:
    On 11/23/2021 1:59 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-23 7:29 a.m., News wrote:
    On 11/23/2021 8:41 AM, leonard hofstatder wrote:
    ...apologized to track marshall

    ...wanker!

    ;-D


    https://twitter.com/bobvarsha/status/1463119288701788161


    Varsha is correct about competent marshaling.

    Local or fly-in marshal? How experienced with FIA series races?

    Horner is going along to get along.

    Marko has no such need; speaks his mind.

    Speaking one's mind is not a license to be a jerk.

    Horner was right to apologize as he didn't know that the marshal was in
    any way "rogue" to begin with.
    Facts are sufficient justification.

    'Rogue' signifies actions at odds with the preponderance of facts on the
    ground, which appears a valid concern. It is not a personal attack.

    Did the marshal have prior top-tier FIA race experience?
    It's irrelevant.

    The marshal has been put on post.

    The marshal has been given instructions.

    The marshal has waved their flag at a time they considered it to be appropriate and necessary.

    The only thing a driver has to do is to observe and obey the flag.

    If indeed "rogue" marshals ever did exist at a race track, randomly
    waving a flag whenever they thought it was a good idea, all the drivers should ever have to do is to follow that instruction.

    Marshals need to act autonomously, and immediately. Drivers just need
    to obey.

    +1
    --
    Shaun.

    "Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy little classification
    in the DSM"
    David Melville

    This is not an email and hasn't been checked for viruses by any half-arsed self-promoting software.

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  • From Bigbird@21:1/5 to News on Wed Nov 24 13:15:33 2021
    News wrote:

    On 11/23/2021 1:59 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-23 7:29 a.m., News wrote:
    On 11/23/2021 8:41 AM, leonard hofstatder wrote:
    ...apologized to track marshall

    ...wanker!

    ;-D


    https://twitter.com/bobvarsha/status/1463119288701788161


    Varsha is correct about competent marshaling.

    Local or fly-in marshal? How experienced with FIA series races?

    Horner is going along to get along.

    Marko has no such need; speaks his mind.

    Speaking one's mind is not a license to be a jerk.

    Horner was right to apologize as he didn't know that the marshal
    was in any way "rogue" to begin with.


    Facts are sufficient justification.

    'Rogue' signifies actions at odds with the preponderance of facts on
    the ground, which appears a valid concern. It is not a personal
    attack.


    One fact is enough. Is there a regulation which stipulates the waving
    of a yellow flag in those circumstances?

    Well, self-appointed professional shit stirrer, show the depth of your knowledge, was there?

    Did the marshal have prior top-tier FIA race experience?

    There you are hiding behind unknown irrelevancies.
    It's of no relevance unless he was not doing his job properly.

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  • From News@21:1/5 to Bigbird on Wed Nov 24 10:07:53 2021
    On 11/24/2021 8:15 AM, Bigbird wrote:
    News wrote:

    On 11/23/2021 1:59 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-23 7:29 a.m., News wrote:
    On 11/23/2021 8:41 AM, leonard hofstatder wrote:
    ...apologized to track marshall

    ...wanker!

    ;-D


    https://twitter.com/bobvarsha/status/1463119288701788161


    Varsha is correct about competent marshaling.

    Local or fly-in marshal? How experienced with FIA series races?

    Horner is going along to get along.

    Marko has no such need; speaks his mind.

    Speaking one's mind is not a license to be a jerk.

    Horner was right to apologize as he didn't know that the marshal
    was in any way "rogue" to begin with.


    Facts are sufficient justification.

    'Rogue' signifies actions at odds with the preponderance of facts on
    the ground, which appears a valid concern. It is not a personal
    attack.


    One fact is enough. Is there a regulation which stipulates the waving
    of a yellow flag in those circumstances?

    Well, self-appointed professional shit stirrer, show the depth of your knowledge, was there?

    Did the marshal have prior top-tier FIA race experience?

    There you are hiding behind unknown irrelevancies.
    It's of no relevance unless he was not doing his job properly.



    See if the rogue marshal shows up in Saudi, rogue beak.

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  • From News@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Nov 24 10:04:24 2021
    On 11/23/2021 5:39 PM, Alan wrote:


    Did the marshal have prior top-tier FIA race experience?

    I don't know, but let us face it: neither do you.
    Well, Schmuck baby, you're wrong times eight, and wrong times more than
    twenty including the rest of the FIA and Pro series races I've worked.

    So FOAD, rogue asshole.

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  • From Matt Larkin@21:1/5 to News on Wed Nov 24 07:44:50 2021
    On Wednesday, 24 November 2021 at 15:07:56 UTC, News wrote:
    On 11/24/2021 8:15 AM, Bigbird wrote:
    News wrote:

    On 11/23/2021 1:59 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-23 7:29 a.m., News wrote:
    On 11/23/2021 8:41 AM, leonard hofstatder wrote:
    ...apologized to track marshall

    ...wanker!

    ;-D


    https://twitter.com/bobvarsha/status/1463119288701788161


    Varsha is correct about competent marshaling.

    Local or fly-in marshal? How experienced with FIA series races?

    Horner is going along to get along.

    Marko has no such need; speaks his mind.

    Speaking one's mind is not a license to be a jerk.

    Horner was right to apologize as he didn't know that the marshal
    was in any way "rogue" to begin with.


    Facts are sufficient justification.

    'Rogue' signifies actions at odds with the preponderance of facts on
    the ground, which appears a valid concern. It is not a personal
    attack.


    One fact is enough. Is there a regulation which stipulates the waving
    of a yellow flag in those circumstances?

    Well, self-appointed professional shit stirrer, show the depth of your knowledge, was there?

    Did the marshal have prior top-tier FIA race experience?

    There you are hiding behind unknown irrelevancies.
    It's of no relevance unless he was not doing his job properly.

    See if the rogue marshal shows up in Saudi, rogue beak.
    But it doesn't matter.

    Even if a marshall waved a yellow flag because it was his daughters
    birthday and she really likes yellow, the driver still must always obey
    it, and should expect that every other driver to do the same.

    That's the way collective safety works.

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  • From News@21:1/5 to Matt Larkin on Wed Nov 24 10:56:02 2021
    On 11/24/2021 10:44 AM, Matt Larkin wrote:
    On Wednesday, 24 November 2021 at 15:07:56 UTC, News wrote:
    On 11/24/2021 8:15 AM, Bigbird wrote:
    News wrote:

    On 11/23/2021 1:59 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-23 7:29 a.m., News wrote:
    On 11/23/2021 8:41 AM, leonard hofstatder wrote:
    ...apologized to track marshall

    ...wanker!

    ;-D


    https://twitter.com/bobvarsha/status/1463119288701788161


    Varsha is correct about competent marshaling.

    Local or fly-in marshal? How experienced with FIA series races?

    Horner is going along to get along.

    Marko has no such need; speaks his mind.

    Speaking one's mind is not a license to be a jerk.

    Horner was right to apologize as he didn't know that the marshal
    was in any way "rogue" to begin with.


    Facts are sufficient justification.

    'Rogue' signifies actions at odds with the preponderance of facts on
    the ground, which appears a valid concern. It is not a personal
    attack.


    One fact is enough. Is there a regulation which stipulates the waving
    of a yellow flag in those circumstances?

    Well, self-appointed professional shit stirrer, show the depth of your
    knowledge, was there?

    Did the marshal have prior top-tier FIA race experience?

    There you are hiding behind unknown irrelevancies.
    It's of no relevance unless he was not doing his job properly.

    See if the rogue marshal shows up in Saudi, rogue beak.
    But it doesn't matter.

    Even if a marshall waved a yellow flag because it was his daughters
    birthday and she really likes yellow, the driver still must always obey
    it, and should expect that every other driver to do the same.

    That's the way collective safety works.



    That's a great way to get people killed.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to News on Wed Nov 24 09:31:51 2021
    On 2021-11-24 7:04 a.m., News wrote:
    On 11/23/2021 5:39 PM, Alan wrote:


    Did the marshal have prior top-tier FIA race experience?

    I don't know, but let us face it: neither do you.
    Well, Schmuck baby, you're wrong times eight, and wrong times more than twenty including the rest of the FIA and Pro series races I've worked.

    So FOAD, rogue asshole.



    Sorry, but how does YOUR experience let you know whether THIS PARTICULAR MARSHAL had prior top-tier FIA experience?

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  • From Matt Larkin@21:1/5 to News on Wed Nov 24 09:25:16 2021
    On Wednesday, 24 November 2021 at 15:56:05 UTC, News wrote:
    On 11/24/2021 10:44 AM, Matt Larkin wrote:
    On Wednesday, 24 November 2021 at 15:07:56 UTC, News wrote:
    On 11/24/2021 8:15 AM, Bigbird wrote:
    News wrote:

    On 11/23/2021 1:59 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-23 7:29 a.m., News wrote:
    On 11/23/2021 8:41 AM, leonard hofstatder wrote:
    ...apologized to track marshall

    ...wanker!

    ;-D


    https://twitter.com/bobvarsha/status/1463119288701788161


    Varsha is correct about competent marshaling.

    Local or fly-in marshal? How experienced with FIA series races?

    Horner is going along to get along.

    Marko has no such need; speaks his mind.

    Speaking one's mind is not a license to be a jerk.

    Horner was right to apologize as he didn't know that the marshal
    was in any way "rogue" to begin with.


    Facts are sufficient justification.

    'Rogue' signifies actions at odds with the preponderance of facts on >>>> the ground, which appears a valid concern. It is not a personal
    attack.


    One fact is enough. Is there a regulation which stipulates the waving
    of a yellow flag in those circumstances?

    Well, self-appointed professional shit stirrer, show the depth of your >>> knowledge, was there?

    Did the marshal have prior top-tier FIA race experience?

    There you are hiding behind unknown irrelevancies.
    It's of no relevance unless he was not doing his job properly.

    See if the rogue marshal shows up in Saudi, rogue beak.
    But it doesn't matter.

    Even if a marshall waved a yellow flag because it was his daughters birthday and she really likes yellow, the driver still must always obey
    it, and should expect that every other driver to do the same.

    That's the way collective safety works.

    That's a great way to get people killed.
    Really? Following yellow flags causes deaths. Please explain.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to News on Wed Nov 24 09:32:55 2021
    On 2021-11-24 7:56 a.m., News wrote:
    On 11/24/2021 10:44 AM, Matt Larkin wrote:
    On Wednesday, 24 November 2021 at 15:07:56 UTC, News wrote:
    On 11/24/2021 8:15 AM, Bigbird wrote:
    News wrote:

    On 11/23/2021 1:59 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-23 7:29 a.m., News wrote:
    On 11/23/2021 8:41 AM, leonard hofstatder wrote:
    ...apologized to track marshall

    ...wanker!

    ;-D


    https://twitter.com/bobvarsha/status/1463119288701788161


    Varsha is correct about competent marshaling.

    Local or fly-in marshal? How experienced with FIA series races?

    Horner is going along to get along.

    Marko has no such need; speaks his mind.

    Speaking one's mind is not a license to be a jerk.

    Horner was right to apologize as he didn't know that the marshal
    was in any way "rogue" to begin with.


    Facts are sufficient justification.

    'Rogue' signifies actions at odds with the preponderance of facts on >>>>> the ground, which appears a valid concern. It is not a personal
    attack.


    One fact is enough. Is there a regulation which stipulates the waving
    of a yellow flag in those circumstances?

    Well, self-appointed professional shit stirrer, show the depth of your >>>> knowledge, was there?

    Did the marshal have prior top-tier FIA race experience?

    There you are hiding behind unknown irrelevancies.
    It's of no relevance unless he was not doing his job properly.

    See if the rogue marshal shows up in Saudi, rogue beak.
    But it doesn't matter.

    Even if a marshall waved a yellow flag because it was his daughters
    birthday and she really likes yellow, the driver still must always obey
    it, and should expect that every other driver to do the same.

    That's the way collective safety works.



    That's a great way to get people killed.

    How does waving a yellow flag...

    ...EVEN IF IT'S FOR NO REASON...

    ..."get people killed"?

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  • From News@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Nov 24 13:26:47 2021
    On 11/24/2021 12:31 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-24 7:04 a.m., News wrote:
    On 11/23/2021 5:39 PM, Alan wrote:


    Did the marshal have prior top-tier FIA race experience?

    I don't know, but let us face it: neither do you.
    Well, Schmuck baby, you're wrong times eight, and wrong times more
    than twenty including the rest of the FIA and Pro series races I've
    worked.

    So FOAD, rogue asshole.



    Sorry, but how does YOUR experience let you know whether THIS PARTICULAR MARSHAL had prior top-tier FIA experience?


    Ever changing the subject. FOAD, rogue pedant.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From News@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Nov 24 13:29:00 2021
    On 11/24/2021 12:32 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-24 7:56 a.m., News wrote:
    On 11/24/2021 10:44 AM, Matt Larkin wrote:
    On Wednesday, 24 November 2021 at 15:07:56 UTC, News wrote:
    On 11/24/2021 8:15 AM, Bigbird wrote:
    News wrote:

    On 11/23/2021 1:59 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-23 7:29 a.m., News wrote:
    On 11/23/2021 8:41 AM, leonard hofstatder wrote:
    ...apologized to track marshall

    ...wanker!

    ;-D


    https://twitter.com/bobvarsha/status/1463119288701788161


    Varsha is correct about competent marshaling.

    Local or fly-in marshal? How experienced with FIA series races? >>>>>>>>
    Horner is going along to get along.

    Marko has no such need; speaks his mind.

    Speaking one's mind is not a license to be a jerk.

    Horner was right to apologize as he didn't know that the marshal >>>>>>> was in any way "rogue" to begin with.


    Facts are sufficient justification.

    'Rogue' signifies actions at odds with the preponderance of facts on >>>>>> the ground, which appears a valid concern. It is not a personal
    attack.


    One fact is enough. Is there a regulation which stipulates the waving >>>>> of a yellow flag in those circumstances?

    Well, self-appointed professional shit stirrer, show the depth of your >>>>> knowledge, was there?

    Did the marshal have prior top-tier FIA race experience?

    There you are hiding behind unknown irrelevancies.
    It's of no relevance unless he was not doing his job properly.

    See if the rogue marshal shows up in Saudi, rogue beak.
    But it doesn't matter.

    Even if a marshall waved a yellow flag because it was his daughters
    birthday and she really likes yellow, the driver still must always obey
    it, and should expect that every other driver to do the same.

    That's the way collective safety works.



    That's a great way to get people killed.

    How does waving a yellow flag...

    ...EVEN IF IT'S FOR NO REASON...

    ..."get people killed"?

    In close traffic, car ahead checking up for no reason, unexpectedly.

    Now do fuck off and die, rogue pendant.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to News on Wed Nov 24 10:32:45 2021
    On 2021-11-24 10:26 a.m., News wrote:
    On 11/24/2021 12:31 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-24 7:04 a.m., News wrote:
    On 11/23/2021 5:39 PM, Alan wrote:


    Did the marshal have prior top-tier FIA race experience?

    I don't know, but let us face it: neither do you.
    Well, Schmuck baby, you're wrong times eight, and wrong times more
    than twenty including the rest of the FIA and Pro series races I've
    worked.

    So FOAD, rogue asshole.



    Sorry, but how does YOUR experience let you know whether THIS
    PARTICULAR MARSHAL had prior top-tier FIA experience?


    Ever changing the subject. FOAD, rogue pedant.

    It was a question YOU ASK, pipsqueak.

    So answer mine:

    How does your experience rebut my point?

    YOU DON'T KNOW what experience that particular marshal had.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to News on Wed Nov 24 10:34:07 2021
    On 2021-11-24 10:29 a.m., News wrote:
    On 11/24/2021 12:32 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-24 7:56 a.m., News wrote:
    On 11/24/2021 10:44 AM, Matt Larkin wrote:
    On Wednesday, 24 November 2021 at 15:07:56 UTC, News wrote:
    On 11/24/2021 8:15 AM, Bigbird wrote:
    News wrote:

    On 11/23/2021 1:59 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-23 7:29 a.m., News wrote:
    On 11/23/2021 8:41 AM, leonard hofstatder wrote:
    ...apologized to track marshall

    ...wanker!

    ;-D


    https://twitter.com/bobvarsha/status/1463119288701788161


    Varsha is correct about competent marshaling.

    Local or fly-in marshal? How experienced with FIA series races? >>>>>>>>>
    Horner is going along to get along.

    Marko has no such need; speaks his mind.

    Speaking one's mind is not a license to be a jerk.

    Horner was right to apologize as he didn't know that the marshal >>>>>>>> was in any way "rogue" to begin with.


    Facts are sufficient justification.

    'Rogue' signifies actions at odds with the preponderance of facts on >>>>>>> the ground, which appears a valid concern. It is not a personal
    attack.


    One fact is enough. Is there a regulation which stipulates the waving >>>>>> of a yellow flag in those circumstances?

    Well, self-appointed professional shit stirrer, show the depth of
    your
    knowledge, was there?

    Did the marshal have prior top-tier FIA race experience?

    There you are hiding behind unknown irrelevancies.
    It's of no relevance unless he was not doing his job properly.

    See if the rogue marshal shows up in Saudi, rogue beak.
    But it doesn't matter.

    Even if a marshall waved a yellow flag because it was his daughters
    birthday and she really likes yellow, the driver still must always obey >>>> it, and should expect that every other driver to do the same.

    That's the way collective safety works.



    That's a great way to get people killed.

    How does waving a yellow flag...

    ...EVEN IF IT'S FOR NO REASON...

    ..."get people killed"?

    In close traffic, car ahead checking up for no reason, unexpectedly.

    Except if the flag is waved, all the traffic sees it... ...or is
    supposed to.

    There's a reason that flag stations are placed where they can be seen
    from a good ways off.


    Now do fuck off and die, rogue pendant.

    Make me, pipsqueak.

    :-)

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From News@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Nov 24 13:54:28 2021
    On 11/24/2021 1:34 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-24 10:29 a.m., News wrote:
    On 11/24/2021 12:32 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-24 7:56 a.m., News wrote:
    On 11/24/2021 10:44 AM, Matt Larkin wrote:
    On Wednesday, 24 November 2021 at 15:07:56 UTC, News wrote:
    On 11/24/2021 8:15 AM, Bigbird wrote:
    News wrote:

    On 11/23/2021 1:59 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-23 7:29 a.m., News wrote:
    On 11/23/2021 8:41 AM, leonard hofstatder wrote:
    ...apologized to track marshall

    ...wanker!

    ;-D


    https://twitter.com/bobvarsha/status/1463119288701788161


    Varsha is correct about competent marshaling.

    Local or fly-in marshal? How experienced with FIA series races? >>>>>>>>>>
    Horner is going along to get along.

    Marko has no such need; speaks his mind.

    Speaking one's mind is not a license to be a jerk.

    Horner was right to apologize as he didn't know that the marshal >>>>>>>>> was in any way "rogue" to begin with.


    Facts are sufficient justification.

    'Rogue' signifies actions at odds with the preponderance of
    facts on
    the ground, which appears a valid concern. It is not a personal >>>>>>>> attack.


    One fact is enough. Is there a regulation which stipulates the
    waving
    of a yellow flag in those circumstances?

    Well, self-appointed professional shit stirrer, show the depth of >>>>>>> your
    knowledge, was there?

    Did the marshal have prior top-tier FIA race experience?

    There you are hiding behind unknown irrelevancies.
    It's of no relevance unless he was not doing his job properly.

    See if the rogue marshal shows up in Saudi, rogue beak.
    But it doesn't matter.

    Even if a marshall waved a yellow flag because it was his daughters
    birthday and she really likes yellow, the driver still must always
    obey
    it, and should expect that every other driver to do the same.

    That's the way collective safety works.



    That's a great way to get people killed.

    How does waving a yellow flag...

    ...EVEN IF IT'S FOR NO REASON...

    ..."get people killed"?

    In close traffic, car ahead checking up for no reason, unexpectedly.

    Except if the flag is waved, all the traffic sees it... ...or is
    supposed to.

    There's a reason that flag stations are placed where they can be seen
    from a good ways off.


    Now do fuck off and die, rogue pendant.

    Make me, pipsqueak.

    :-)



    Disappear, like your last name.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From News@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Nov 24 13:55:22 2021
    On 11/24/2021 1:32 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-24 10:26 a.m., News wrote:
    On 11/24/2021 12:31 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-24 7:04 a.m., News wrote:
    On 11/23/2021 5:39 PM, Alan wrote:


    Did the marshal have prior top-tier FIA race experience?

    I don't know, but let us face it: neither do you.
    Well, Schmuck baby, you're wrong times eight, and wrong times more
    than twenty including the rest of the FIA and Pro series races I've
    worked.

    So FOAD, rogue asshole.



    Sorry, but how does YOUR experience let you know whether THIS
    PARTICULAR MARSHAL had prior top-tier FIA experience?


    Ever changing the subject. FOAD, rogue pedant.

    It was a question YOU ASK, pipsqueak.

    So answer mine:

    How does your experience rebut my point?

    YOU DON'T KNOW what experience that particular marshal had.


    Try again, last name missing?


    Did the marshal have prior top-tier FIA race experience?

    I don't know, but let us face it: neither do you.
    Well, Schmuck baby, you're wrong times eight, and wrong times more than twenty including the rest of the FIA and Pro series races I've worked.

    So FOAD, rogue asshole.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to News on Wed Nov 24 11:16:38 2021
    On 2021-11-24 10:55 a.m., News wrote:
    On 11/24/2021 1:32 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-24 10:26 a.m., News wrote:
    On 11/24/2021 12:31 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-24 7:04 a.m., News wrote:
    On 11/23/2021 5:39 PM, Alan wrote:


    Did the marshal have prior top-tier FIA race experience?

    I don't know, but let us face it: neither do you.
    Well, Schmuck baby, you're wrong times eight, and wrong times more
    than twenty including the rest of the FIA and Pro series races I've
    worked.

    So FOAD, rogue asshole.



    Sorry, but how does YOUR experience let you know whether THIS
    PARTICULAR MARSHAL had prior top-tier FIA experience?


    Ever changing the subject. FOAD, rogue pedant.

    It was a question YOU ASK, pipsqueak.

    So answer mine:

    How does your experience rebut my point?

    YOU DON'T KNOW what experience that particular marshal had.


    Try again, last name missing?


    Did the marshal have prior top-tier FIA race experience?

    I don't know, but let us face it: neither do you.
    Well, Schmuck baby, you're wrong times eight, and wrong times more
    than twenty including the rest of the FIA and Pro series races I've
    worked.

    So FOAD, rogue asshole.

    Let's try again, pipsqueak.

    Yes or no:

    Did you ask, "Did the marshal have prior top-tier FIA race experience?"?

    Yes or no:

    Did I respond that you didn't know if he did or not?

    Yes or no:

    Did you respond by claiming that having experience yourself means you
    somehow know whether that PARTICULAR MARSHALL had experience?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to News on Wed Nov 24 11:17:32 2021
    On 2021-11-24 10:54 a.m., News wrote:
    On 11/24/2021 1:34 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-24 10:29 a.m., News wrote:
    On 11/24/2021 12:32 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-24 7:56 a.m., News wrote:
    On 11/24/2021 10:44 AM, Matt Larkin wrote:
    On Wednesday, 24 November 2021 at 15:07:56 UTC, News wrote:
    On 11/24/2021 8:15 AM, Bigbird wrote:
    News wrote:

    On 11/23/2021 1:59 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-23 7:29 a.m., News wrote:
    On 11/23/2021 8:41 AM, leonard hofstatder wrote:
    ...apologized to track marshall

    ...wanker!

    ;-D


    https://twitter.com/bobvarsha/status/1463119288701788161 >>>>>>>>>>>

    Varsha is correct about competent marshaling.

    Local or fly-in marshal? How experienced with FIA series races? >>>>>>>>>>>
    Horner is going along to get along.

    Marko has no such need; speaks his mind.

    Speaking one's mind is not a license to be a jerk.

    Horner was right to apologize as he didn't know that the marshal >>>>>>>>>> was in any way "rogue" to begin with.


    Facts are sufficient justification.

    'Rogue' signifies actions at odds with the preponderance of
    facts on
    the ground, which appears a valid concern. It is not a personal >>>>>>>>> attack.


    One fact is enough. Is there a regulation which stipulates the >>>>>>>> waving
    of a yellow flag in those circumstances?

    Well, self-appointed professional shit stirrer, show the depth >>>>>>>> of your
    knowledge, was there?

    Did the marshal have prior top-tier FIA race experience?

    There you are hiding behind unknown irrelevancies.
    It's of no relevance unless he was not doing his job properly. >>>>>>>>
    See if the rogue marshal shows up in Saudi, rogue beak.
    But it doesn't matter.

    Even if a marshall waved a yellow flag because it was his daughters >>>>>> birthday and she really likes yellow, the driver still must always >>>>>> obey
    it, and should expect that every other driver to do the same.

    That's the way collective safety works.



    That's a great way to get people killed.

    How does waving a yellow flag...

    ...EVEN IF IT'S FOR NO REASON...

    ..."get people killed"?

    In close traffic, car ahead checking up for no reason, unexpectedly.

    Except if the flag is waved, all the traffic sees it... ...or is
    supposed to.

    There's a reason that flag stations are placed where they can be seen
    from a good ways off.


    Now do fuck off and die, rogue pendant.

    Make me, pipsqueak.

    :-)



    Disappear, like your last name.

    Ah, look!

    I guy who calls himself "News" is suddenly complaining that I'm not
    currently using my last name...

    ...rather than address himself to the facts.

    What a shock.

    :-)

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From News@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Nov 24 14:20:22 2021
    On 11/24/2021 2:16 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-24 10:55 a.m., News wrote:
    On 11/24/2021 1:32 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-24 10:26 a.m., News wrote:
    On 11/24/2021 12:31 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-24 7:04 a.m., News wrote:
    On 11/23/2021 5:39 PM, Alan wrote:


    Did the marshal have prior top-tier FIA race experience?

    I don't know, but let us face it: neither do you.
    Well, Schmuck baby, you're wrong times eight, and wrong times more >>>>>> than twenty including the rest of the FIA and Pro series races
    I've worked.

    So FOAD, rogue asshole.



    Sorry, but how does YOUR experience let you know whether THIS
    PARTICULAR MARSHAL had prior top-tier FIA experience?


    Ever changing the subject. FOAD, rogue pedant.

    It was a question YOU ASK, pipsqueak.

    So answer mine:

    How does your experience rebut my point?

    YOU DON'T KNOW what experience that particular marshal had.


    Try again, last name missing?


    Did the marshal have prior top-tier FIA race experience?

    I don't know, but let us face it: neither do you.
    Well, Schmuck baby, you're wrong times eight, and wrong times more
    than twenty including the rest of the FIA and Pro series races I've
    worked.

    So FOAD, rogue asshole.

    Let's try again, pipsqueak.

    Yes or no:

    Did you ask, "Did the marshal have prior top-tier FIA race experience?"?

    Yes or no:

    Did I respond that you didn't know if he did or not?

    Yes or no:

    Did you respond by claiming that having experience yourself means you
    somehow know whether that PARTICULAR MARSHALL had experience?


    Last name missing? Yes or no?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Alan@21:1/5 to News on Wed Nov 24 11:29:57 2021
    On 2021-11-24 11:20 a.m., News wrote:
    On 11/24/2021 2:16 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-24 10:55 a.m., News wrote:
    On 11/24/2021 1:32 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-24 10:26 a.m., News wrote:
    On 11/24/2021 12:31 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-24 7:04 a.m., News wrote:
    On 11/23/2021 5:39 PM, Alan wrote:


    Did the marshal have prior top-tier FIA race experience?

    I don't know, but let us face it: neither do you.
    Well, Schmuck baby, you're wrong times eight, and wrong times
    more than twenty including the rest of the FIA and Pro series
    races I've worked.

    So FOAD, rogue asshole.



    Sorry, but how does YOUR experience let you know whether THIS
    PARTICULAR MARSHAL had prior top-tier FIA experience?


    Ever changing the subject. FOAD, rogue pedant.

    It was a question YOU ASK, pipsqueak.

    So answer mine:

    How does your experience rebut my point?

    YOU DON'T KNOW what experience that particular marshal had.


    Try again, last name missing?


    Did the marshal have prior top-tier FIA race experience?

    I don't know, but let us face it: neither do you.
    Well, Schmuck baby, you're wrong times eight, and wrong times more
    than twenty including the rest of the FIA and Pro series races I've
    worked.

    So FOAD, rogue asshole.

    Let's try again, pipsqueak.

    Yes or no:

    Did you ask, "Did the marshal have prior top-tier FIA race experience?"?

    Yes or no:

    Did I respond that you didn't know if he did or not?

    Yes or no:

    Did you respond by claiming that having experience yourself means you
    somehow know whether that PARTICULAR MARSHALL had experience?


    Last name missing? Yes or no?

    Isn't it amazing how you suddenly want to shift the discussion to how I
    choose to identify myself, "News"?

    :-)

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From News@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Nov 24 14:31:42 2021
    On 11/24/2021 2:29 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-24 11:20 a.m., News wrote:
    On 11/24/2021 2:16 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-24 10:55 a.m., News wrote:
    On 11/24/2021 1:32 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-24 10:26 a.m., News wrote:
    On 11/24/2021 12:31 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-24 7:04 a.m., News wrote:
    On 11/23/2021 5:39 PM, Alan wrote:


    Did the marshal have prior top-tier FIA race experience?

    I don't know, but let us face it: neither do you.
    Well, Schmuck baby, you're wrong times eight, and wrong times
    more than twenty including the rest of the FIA and Pro series
    races I've worked.

    So FOAD, rogue asshole.



    Sorry, but how does YOUR experience let you know whether THIS
    PARTICULAR MARSHAL had prior top-tier FIA experience?


    Ever changing the subject. FOAD, rogue pedant.

    It was a question YOU ASK, pipsqueak.

    So answer mine:

    How does your experience rebut my point?

    YOU DON'T KNOW what experience that particular marshal had.


    Try again, last name missing?


    Did the marshal have prior top-tier FIA race experience?

    I don't know, but let us face it: neither do you.
    Well, Schmuck baby, you're wrong times eight, and wrong times more
    than twenty including the rest of the FIA and Pro series races I've
    worked.

    So FOAD, rogue asshole.

    Let's try again, pipsqueak.

    Yes or no:

    Did you ask, "Did the marshal have prior top-tier FIA race experience?"? >>>
    Yes or no:

    Did I respond that you didn't know if he did or not?

    Yes or no:

    Did you respond by claiming that having experience yourself means you
    somehow know whether that PARTICULAR MARSHALL had experience?


    Last name missing? Yes or no?

    Isn't it amazing how you suddenly want to shift the discussion to how I choose to identify myself, "News"?

    :-)


    Not that everyone doesn't know, who have you recently decided you need
    to hide from, last name missing?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Pipsqueak on Wed Nov 24 11:32:42 2021
    On 2021-11-24 11:20 a.m., Pipsqueak wrote:

    https://twitter.com/bobvarsha/status/1463119288701788161 >>>>>>>>>>>>>

    Varsha is correct about competent marshaling.

    Local or fly-in marshal? How experienced with FIA series >>>>>>>>>>>>> races?

    Horner is going along to get along.

    Marko has no such need; speaks his mind.

    Speaking one's mind is not a license to be a jerk.

    Horner was right to apologize as he didn't know that the >>>>>>>>>>>> marshal
    was in any way "rogue" to begin with.


    Facts are sufficient justification.

    'Rogue' signifies actions at odds with the preponderance of >>>>>>>>>>> facts on
    the ground, which appears a valid concern. It is not a personal >>>>>>>>>>> attack.


    One fact is enough. Is there a regulation which stipulates the >>>>>>>>>> waving
    of a yellow flag in those circumstances?

    Well, self-appointed professional shit stirrer, show the depth >>>>>>>>>> of your
    knowledge, was there?

    Did the marshal have prior top-tier FIA race experience?

    There you are hiding behind unknown irrelevancies.
    It's of no relevance unless he was not doing his job properly. >>>>>>>>>>
    See if the rogue marshal shows up in Saudi, rogue beak.
    But it doesn't matter.

    Even if a marshall waved a yellow flag because it was his daughters >>>>>>>> birthday and she really likes yellow, the driver still must
    always obey
    it, and should expect that every other driver to do the same.

    That's the way collective safety works.



    That's a great way to get people killed.

    How does waving a yellow flag...

    ...EVEN IF IT'S FOR NO REASON...

    ..."get people killed"?

    In close traffic, car ahead checking up for no reason, unexpectedly.

    Except if the flag is waved, all the traffic sees it... ...or is
    supposed to.

    There's a reason that flag stations are placed where they can be
    seen from a good ways off.


    Now do fuck off and die, rogue pendant.

    Make me, pipsqueak.

    :-)



    Disappear, like your last name.

    Ah, look!

    I guy who calls himself "News" is suddenly complaining that I'm not
    currently using my last name...

    ...rather than address himself to the facts.

    What a shock.

    :-)


    Never did,

    Address yourself to the facts? Obviously.

    Use a last name? OK. So? Why do you care if I use mine or not, then?

    last name missing,

    It such a "tell" when you suddenly start posting in sentence fragments.

    which yours recently went.

    So?

    Why do you care?

    Why DIDN'T you care earlier and have just started dodging, Pipsqueak?

    Why have you suggested that you having marshalling experience tells you
    what experience the particular marshal you're slandering has?

    :-)

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 24 11:34:52 2021
    On 2021-11-24 11:31 a.m., Pipsqueak squeaked:


    Did the marshal have prior top-tier FIA race experience?

    I don't know, but let us face it: neither do you.
    Well, Schmuck baby, you're wrong times eight, and wrong times more >>>>>> than twenty including the rest of the FIA and Pro series races
    I've worked.

    So FOAD, rogue asshole.

    Let's try again, pipsqueak.

    Yes or no:

    Did you ask, "Did the marshal have prior top-tier FIA race
    experience?"?

    Yes or no:

    Did I respond that you didn't know if he did or not?

    Yes or no:

    Did you respond by claiming that having experience yourself means
    you somehow know whether that PARTICULAR MARSHALL had experience?


    Last name missing? Yes or no?

    Isn't it amazing how you suddenly want to shift the discussion to how
    I choose to identify myself, "News"?

    :-)


    Not that everyone doesn't know, who have you recently decided you need
    to hide from, last name missing?

    Why do you suddenly not want to discuss the subject YOU raised, Pipsqueak?

    Why don't you want to explain what your personal experience (assuming
    you're not lying; unlike me, you are anonymous and so can't prove your experience exists) has to do with what you might know about the
    experience of the marshal you're slandering (from your anonymous safety)?

    :-)

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Mark@21:1/5 to News on Wed Nov 24 19:40:13 2021
    News <News@group.name> wrote:
    On 11/24/2021 10:44 AM, Matt Larkin wrote:
    On Wednesday, 24 November 2021 at 15:07:56 UTC, News wrote:

    See if the rogue marshal shows up in Saudi, rogue beak.

    But it doesn't matter.

    Even if a marshall waved a yellow flag because it was his daughters
    birthday and she really likes yellow, the driver still must always obey
    it, and should expect that every other driver to do the same.

    That's the way collective safety works.

    That's a great way to get people killed.

    Matt was (hopefully) exaggerating for effect. The central issue is
    whether drivers should second-guess safety warnings. The best way to get
    people killed is to allow any driver (let alone all of them) think that
    they get to choose. Yes, a "rogue" marshall or plain disorganisation
    could mean that a driver gets disadvantaged when they shouldn't, but the
    whole system relies on people following the cues given.

    IF drivers are allowed to take the view that in the event of something
    being ambiguous (for whatever reason) they are allowed to keep racing
    and pretend the warning that is displayed is "in error", someone *will*
    get killed. Most likely a marshall.

    If there double waved yellow flags shown by the marshall on the day, you
    *must* slow down and prepare to stop. If you do and it is later shown
    to be in error, you have every right to complain about poor marshalling
    or decision-making...but you've done the right thing.

    If you don't and you are penalised, don't complain. You are in the wrong
    no matter what led to the waved yellows. Most importantly, if you don't
    and there is an accident because the marshall has information informing
    his decision that you don't have in the cockpit, you should carry full responsibility for that crash and its consequences.

    Just IMO.

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  • From News@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Nov 24 14:48:24 2021
    On 11/24/2021 2:32 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-24 11:20 a.m., Pipsqueak wrote:

    https://twitter.com/bobvarsha/status/1463119288701788161 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    Varsha is correct about competent marshaling.

    Local or fly-in marshal? How experienced with FIA series >>>>>>>>>>>>>> races?

    Horner is going along to get along.

    Marko has no such need; speaks his mind.

    Speaking one's mind is not a license to be a jerk.

    Horner was right to apologize as he didn't know that the >>>>>>>>>>>>> marshal
    was in any way "rogue" to begin with.


    Facts are sufficient justification.

    'Rogue' signifies actions at odds with the preponderance of >>>>>>>>>>>> facts on
    the ground, which appears a valid concern. It is not a personal >>>>>>>>>>>> attack.


    One fact is enough. Is there a regulation which stipulates >>>>>>>>>>> the waving
    of a yellow flag in those circumstances?

    Well, self-appointed professional shit stirrer, show the >>>>>>>>>>> depth of your
    knowledge, was there?

    Did the marshal have prior top-tier FIA race experience? >>>>>>>>>>>
    There you are hiding behind unknown irrelevancies.
    It's of no relevance unless he was not doing his job properly. >>>>>>>>>>>
    See if the rogue marshal shows up in Saudi, rogue beak.
    But it doesn't matter.

    Even if a marshall waved a yellow flag because it was his
    daughters
    birthday and she really likes yellow, the driver still must
    always obey
    it, and should expect that every other driver to do the same. >>>>>>>>>
    That's the way collective safety works.



    That's a great way to get people killed.

    How does waving a yellow flag...

    ...EVEN IF IT'S FOR NO REASON...

    ..."get people killed"?

    In close traffic, car ahead checking up for no reason, unexpectedly. >>>>>
    Except if the flag is waved, all the traffic sees it... ...or is
    supposed to.

    There's a reason that flag stations are placed where they can be
    seen from a good ways off.


    Now do fuck off and die, rogue pendant.

    Make me, pipsqueak.

    :-)



    Disappear, like your last name.

    Ah, look!

    I guy who calls himself "News" is suddenly complaining that I'm not
    currently using my last name...

    ...rather than address himself to the facts.

    What a shock.

    :-)


    Never did,

    Address yourself to the facts? Obviously.

    Use a last name? OK. So? Why do you care if I use mine or not, then?

    last name missing,

    It such a "tell" when you suddenly start posting in sentence fragments.

    which yours recently went.

    So?

    Why do you care?

    Why DIDN'T you care earlier and have just started dodging, Pipsqueak?

    Why have you suggested that you having marshalling experience tells you
    what experience the particular marshal you're slandering has?

    :-)


    Why the recent last-name-delete, artless dodger?

    What experience does he have, last-nameless dodger?

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  • From News@21:1/5 to the meta-verse on Wed Nov 24 14:50:32 2021
    On 11/24/2021 2:34 PM, Alan last-name deleted, even though known around
    the meta-verse wrote:

    On 2021-11-24 11:31 a.m., Pipsqueak squeaked:


    Did the marshal have prior top-tier FIA race experience?

    I don't know, but let us face it: neither do you.
    Well, Schmuck baby, you're wrong times eight, and wrong times
    more than twenty including the rest of the FIA and Pro series
    races I've worked.

    So FOAD, rogue asshole.

    Let's try again, pipsqueak.

    Yes or no:

    Did you ask, "Did the marshal have prior top-tier FIA race
    experience?"?

    Yes or no:

    Did I respond that you didn't know if he did or not?

    Yes or no:

    Did you respond by claiming that having experience yourself means
    you somehow know whether that PARTICULAR MARSHALL had experience?


    Last name missing? Yes or no?

    Isn't it amazing how you suddenly want to shift the discussion to how
    I choose to identify myself, "News"?

    :-)


    Not that everyone doesn't know, who have you recently decided you need
    to hide from, last name missing?

    Why do you suddenly not want to discuss the subject YOU raised, Pipsqueak?

    Why don't you want to explain what your personal experience (assuming
    you're not lying; unlike me, you are anonymous and so can't prove your experience exists) has to do with what you might know about the
    experience of the marshal you're slandering (from your anonymous safety)?

    :-)



    Asked and answered, last-name-delete dodger.

    And why the recent last-name-delete, artless dodger?

    And what experience does he have, last-nameless dodger?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Bigbird@21:1/5 to News on Wed Nov 24 19:54:23 2021
    News wrote:

    On 11/24/2021 8:15 AM, Bigbird wrote:
    News wrote:

    On 11/23/2021 1:59 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-23 7:29 a.m., News wrote:
    On 11/23/2021 8:41 AM, leonard hofstatder wrote:
    ...apologized to track marshall

    ...wanker!

    ;-D


    https://twitter.com/bobvarsha/status/1463119288701788161


    Varsha is correct about competent marshaling.

    Local or fly-in marshal? How experienced with FIA series
    races?

    Horner is going along to get along.

    Marko has no such need; speaks his mind.

    Speaking one's mind is not a license to be a jerk.

    Horner was right to apologize as he didn't know that the marshal
    was in any way "rogue" to begin with.


    Facts are sufficient justification.

    'Rogue' signifies actions at odds with the preponderance of facts
    on the ground, which appears a valid concern. It is not a personal attack.


    One fact is enough. Is there a regulation which stipulates the
    waving of a yellow flag in those circumstances?

    Well, self-appointed professional shit stirrer, show the depth of
    your knowledge, was there?

    QED


    Did the marshal have prior top-tier FIA race experience?

    There you are hiding behind unknown irrelevancies.
    It's of no relevance unless he was not doing his job properly.



    See if the rogue marshal shows up in Saudi, rogue beak.

    Another unknown irrelevancy... much like yourself.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Mark on Wed Nov 24 11:55:33 2021
    On 2021-11-24 11:40 a.m., Mark wrote:
    News <News@group.name> wrote:
    On 11/24/2021 10:44 AM, Matt Larkin wrote:
    On Wednesday, 24 November 2021 at 15:07:56 UTC, News wrote:

    See if the rogue marshal shows up in Saudi, rogue beak.

    But it doesn't matter.

    Even if a marshall waved a yellow flag because it was his daughters
    birthday and she really likes yellow, the driver still must always obey
    it, and should expect that every other driver to do the same.

    That's the way collective safety works.

    That's a great way to get people killed.

    Matt was (hopefully) exaggerating for effect. The central issue is
    whether drivers should second-guess safety warnings. The best way to get people killed is to allow any driver (let alone all of them) think that
    they get to choose. Yes, a "rogue" marshall or plain disorganisation
    could mean that a driver gets disadvantaged when they shouldn't, but the whole system relies on people following the cues given.

    IF drivers are allowed to take the view that in the event of something
    being ambiguous (for whatever reason) they are allowed to keep racing
    and pretend the warning that is displayed is "in error", someone *will*
    get killed. Most likely a marshall.

    If there double waved yellow flags shown by the marshall on the day, you *must* slow down and prepare to stop. If you do and it is later shown
    to be in error, you have every right to complain about poor marshalling
    or decision-making...but you've done the right thing.

    If you don't and you are penalised, don't complain. You are in the wrong
    no matter what led to the waved yellows. Most importantly, if you don't
    and there is an accident because the marshall has information informing
    his decision that you don't have in the cockpit, you should carry full responsibility for that crash and its consequences.

    Just IMO.


    But so right.

    Bottom line: it is a fantasy that there are "rogue" marshals in the
    first place.

    Can a marshal act in error? Sure. But making a mistake isn't being a
    "rogue".

    When any signal is shown to a driver that is equivalent to a yellow
    flag—the flag itself, a light board beside the track, a signal on the dash—the driver MUST respect that signal even if there are two others
    that say that everything is still green.

    Is there a non-zero possibility that displaying a yellow flag can lead
    to a crash? Of course. We're not idiots (well... ...everyone except the pipsqueak). But the possibility is perishingly small. Marshalling posts
    are seldom (if ever) placed where one driver can see them and the next
    driver back coming at speed can't. Why? Because that would be idiotic.

    Let's take this step by step:

    Were double waved yellow flags being displayed as Verstappen went into
    the final straight and by Gasly's stopped AlphaTauri?

    Yes. Absolutely.

    Was the marshal correct to be waving them?

    Absent any directive from race control that he could stop, yes.
    Absolutely. Gasly's car was stopped, fully on the track surface in their marshalling sector.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Bigbird@21:1/5 to News on Wed Nov 24 19:56:20 2021
    News wrote:

    On 11/24/2021 10:44 AM, Matt Larkin wrote:
    On Wednesday, 24 November 2021 at 15:07:56 UTC, News wrote:
    On 11/24/2021 8:15 AM, Bigbird wrote:
    News wrote:

    On 11/23/2021 1:59 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-23 7:29 a.m., News wrote:
    On 11/23/2021 8:41 AM, leonard hofstatder wrote:
    ...apologized to track marshall

    ...wanker!

    ;-D


    https://twitter.com/bobvarsha/status/1463119288701788161


    Varsha is correct about competent marshaling.

    Local or fly-in marshal? How experienced with FIA series
    races?

    Horner is going along to get along.

    Marko has no such need; speaks his mind.

    Speaking one's mind is not a license to be a jerk.

    Horner was right to apologize as he didn't know that the
    marshal was in any way "rogue" to begin with.


    Facts are sufficient justification.

    'Rogue' signifies actions at odds with the preponderance of
    facts on the ground, which appears a valid concern. It is not
    a personal attack.


    One fact is enough. Is there a regulation which stipulates the
    waving of a yellow flag in those circumstances?

    Well, self-appointed professional shit stirrer, show the depth
    of your knowledge, was there?

    Did the marshal have prior top-tier FIA race experience?

    There you are hiding behind unknown irrelevancies.
    It's of no relevance unless he was not doing his job properly.

    See if the rogue marshal shows up in Saudi, rogue beak.
    But it doesn't matter.

    Even if a marshall waved a yellow flag because it was his daughters birthday and she really likes yellow, the driver still must always
    obey it, and should expect that every other driver to do the same.

    That's the way collective safety works.



    That's a great way to get people killed.

    Just the opposite, fuckwit.

    You are playing catch up while hobbled by your own ignorance; it's
    painful to watch.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 24 11:58:34 2021
    On 2021-11-24 11:48 a.m., Pipsqueak squeaked:
    On 11/24/2021 2:32 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-24 11:20 a.m., Pipsqueak wrote:

    https://twitter.com/bobvarsha/status/1463119288701788161 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    Varsha is correct about competent marshaling.

    Local or fly-in marshal? How experienced with FIA series >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> races?

    Horner is going along to get along.

    Marko has no such need; speaks his mind.

    Speaking one's mind is not a license to be a jerk. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Horner was right to apologize as he didn't know that the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> marshal
    was in any way "rogue" to begin with.


    Facts are sufficient justification.

    'Rogue' signifies actions at odds with the preponderance of >>>>>>>>>>>>> facts on
    the ground, which appears a valid concern. It is not a >>>>>>>>>>>>> personal
    attack.


    One fact is enough. Is there a regulation which stipulates >>>>>>>>>>>> the waving
    of a yellow flag in those circumstances?

    Well, self-appointed professional shit stirrer, show the >>>>>>>>>>>> depth of your
    knowledge, was there?

    Did the marshal have prior top-tier FIA race experience? >>>>>>>>>>>>
    There you are hiding behind unknown irrelevancies.
    It's of no relevance unless he was not doing his job properly. >>>>>>>>>>>>
    See if the rogue marshal shows up in Saudi, rogue beak.
    But it doesn't matter.

    Even if a marshall waved a yellow flag because it was his
    daughters
    birthday and she really likes yellow, the driver still must >>>>>>>>>> always obey
    it, and should expect that every other driver to do the same. >>>>>>>>>>
    That's the way collective safety works.



    That's a great way to get people killed.

    How does waving a yellow flag...

    ...EVEN IF IT'S FOR NO REASON...

    ..."get people killed"?

    In close traffic, car ahead checking up for no reason, unexpectedly. >>>>>>
    Except if the flag is waved, all the traffic sees it... ...or is
    supposed to.

    There's a reason that flag stations are placed where they can be
    seen from a good ways off.


    Now do fuck off and die, rogue pendant.

    Make me, pipsqueak.

    :-)



    Disappear, like your last name.

    Ah, look!

    I guy who calls himself "News" is suddenly complaining that I'm not
    currently using my last name...

    ...rather than address himself to the facts.

    What a shock.

    :-)


    Never did,

    Address yourself to the facts? Obviously.

    Use a last name? OK. So? Why do you care if I use mine or not, then?

    last name missing,

    It such a "tell" when you suddenly start posting in sentence fragments.

    which yours recently went.

    So?

    Why do you care?

    Why DIDN'T you care earlier and have just started dodging, Pipsqueak?

    Why have you suggested that you having marshalling experience tells
    you what experience the particular marshal you're slandering has?

    :-)


    Why the recent last-name-delete, artless dodger?

    Why do you suddenly care, Pipsqueak? You claim you know my last
    name—that everyone knows it. So why does it matter other that to dodge
    the points being raised?


    What experience does he have, last-nameless dodger?

    The marshal? I don't know.

    But do you claim to know, Pipsqueak?

    Does having marshalled yourself (if true; you're anonymous so you can
    claim anything you like!) give you any insight into whether this
    particular marshal has experience?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 24 11:59:48 2021
    On 2021-11-24 11:50 a.m., Pipsqueak squeaked:
    On 11/24/2021 2:34 PM, Alan last-name deleted, even though known around
    the meta-verse wrote:

    On 2021-11-24 11:31 a.m., Pipsqueak squeaked:


    Did the marshal have prior top-tier FIA race experience?

    I don't know, but let us face it: neither do you.
    Well, Schmuck baby, you're wrong times eight, and wrong times
    more than twenty including the rest of the FIA and Pro series
    races I've worked.

    So FOAD, rogue asshole.

    Let's try again, pipsqueak.

    Yes or no:

    Did you ask, "Did the marshal have prior top-tier FIA race
    experience?"?

    Yes or no:

    Did I respond that you didn't know if he did or not?

    Yes or no:

    Did you respond by claiming that having experience yourself means
    you somehow know whether that PARTICULAR MARSHALL had experience?


    Last name missing? Yes or no?

    Isn't it amazing how you suddenly want to shift the discussion to
    how I choose to identify myself, "News"?

    :-)


    Not that everyone doesn't know, who have you recently decided you
    need to hide from, last name missing?

    Why do you suddenly not want to discuss the subject YOU raised,
    Pipsqueak?

    Why don't you want to explain what your personal experience (assuming
    you're not lying; unlike me, you are anonymous and so can't prove your
    experience exists) has to do with what you might know about the
    experience of the marshal you're slandering (from your anonymous safety)?

    :-)



    Asked and answered, last-name-delete dodger.

    Really? Quote it?


    And why the recent last-name-delete, artless dodger?

    Why does it matter?


    And what experience does he have, last-nameless dodger?

    You suddenly want to discuss that again?

    Do you admit you have no idea what is experience is, Pipsqueak?

    :-)

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Bigbird@21:1/5 to News on Wed Nov 24 21:02:08 2021
    News wrote:

    On 11/24/2021 12:32 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-24 7:56 a.m., News wrote:
    On 11/24/2021 10:44 AM, Matt Larkin wrote:
    On Wednesday, 24 November 2021 at 15:07:56 UTC, News wrote:
    On 11/24/2021 8:15 AM, Bigbird wrote:
    News wrote:

    On 11/23/2021 1:59 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-23 7:29 a.m., News wrote:
    On 11/23/2021 8:41 AM, leonard hofstatder wrote:
    ...apologized to track marshall

    ...wanker!

    ;-D



    https://twitter.com/bobvarsha/status/1463119288701788161


    Varsha is correct about competent marshaling.

    Local or fly-in marshal? How experienced with FIA
    series races?

    Horner is going along to get along.

    Marko has no such need; speaks his mind.

    Speaking one's mind is not a license to be a jerk.

    Horner was right to apologize as he didn't know that
    the marshal was in any way "rogue" to begin with.


    Facts are sufficient justification.

    'Rogue' signifies actions at odds with the preponderance
    of facts on the ground, which appears a valid concern. It
    is not a personal attack.


    One fact is enough. Is there a regulation which stipulates
    the waving of a yellow flag in those circumstances?

    Well, self-appointed professional shit stirrer, show the
    depth of your knowledge, was there?

    Did the marshal have prior top-tier FIA race experience?

    There you are hiding behind unknown irrelevancies.
    It's of no relevance unless he was not doing his job
    properly.

    See if the rogue marshal shows up in Saudi, rogue beak.
    But it doesn't matter.

    Even if a marshall waved a yellow flag because it was his
    daughters birthday and she really likes yellow, the driver
    still must always obey it, and should expect that every other
    driver to do the same.

    That's the way collective safety works.



    That's a great way to get people killed.

    How does waving a yellow flag...

    ...EVEN IF IT'S FOR NO REASON...

    ..."get people killed"?

    In close traffic, car ahead checking up for no reason, unexpectedly.


    LOL

    A yellow flag is a reason. Check the sporting code Fuckwit!

    Hilarious watching you dig this particular hole.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From News@21:1/5 to Bigbird on Wed Nov 24 17:00:34 2021
    On 11/24/2021 4:02 PM, Bigbird wrote:
    News wrote:

    On 11/24/2021 12:32 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-24 7:56 a.m., News wrote:
    On 11/24/2021 10:44 AM, Matt Larkin wrote:
    On Wednesday, 24 November 2021 at 15:07:56 UTC, News wrote:
    On 11/24/2021 8:15 AM, Bigbird wrote:
    News wrote:

    On 11/23/2021 1:59 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-23 7:29 a.m., News wrote:
    On 11/23/2021 8:41 AM, leonard hofstatder wrote:
    ...apologized to track marshall

    ...wanker!

    ;-D



    https://twitter.com/bobvarsha/status/1463119288701788161


    Varsha is correct about competent marshaling.

    Local or fly-in marshal? How experienced with FIA
    series races?

    Horner is going along to get along.

    Marko has no such need; speaks his mind.

    Speaking one's mind is not a license to be a jerk.

    Horner was right to apologize as he didn't know that
    the marshal was in any way "rogue" to begin with.


    Facts are sufficient justification.

    'Rogue' signifies actions at odds with the preponderance
    of facts on the ground, which appears a valid concern. It
    is not a personal attack.


    One fact is enough. Is there a regulation which stipulates
    the waving of a yellow flag in those circumstances?

    Well, self-appointed professional shit stirrer, show the
    depth of your knowledge, was there?

    Did the marshal have prior top-tier FIA race experience?

    There you are hiding behind unknown irrelevancies.
    It's of no relevance unless he was not doing his job
    properly.

    See if the rogue marshal shows up in Saudi, rogue beak.
    But it doesn't matter.

    Even if a marshall waved a yellow flag because it was his
    daughters birthday and she really likes yellow, the driver
    still must always obey it, and should expect that every other
    driver to do the same.

    That's the way collective safety works.



    That's a great way to get people killed.

    How does waving a yellow flag...

    ...EVEN IF IT'S FOR NO REASON...

    ..."get people killed"?

    In close traffic, car ahead checking up for no reason, unexpectedly.


    LOL

    A yellow flag is a reason. Check the sporting code Fuckwit!

    Hilarious watching you dig this particular hole.


    Keep your head in the sand, benefit of the doubt it's not up your ass.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Bigbird@21:1/5 to News on Thu Nov 25 12:03:35 2021
    News wrote:

    On 11/24/2021 4:02 PM, Bigbird wrote:
    News wrote:

    On 11/24/2021 12:32 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-24 7:56 a.m., News wrote:
    On 11/24/2021 10:44 AM, Matt Larkin wrote:
    On Wednesday, 24 November 2021 at 15:07:56 UTC, News wrote:
    On 11/24/2021 8:15 AM, Bigbird wrote:
    News wrote:

    On 11/23/2021 1:59 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-23 7:29 a.m., News wrote:
    On 11/23/2021 8:41 AM, leonard hofstatder wrote:
    ...apologized to track marshall

    ...wanker!

    ;-D



    https://twitter.com/bobvarsha/status/1463119288701788161


    Varsha is correct about competent marshaling.

    Local or fly-in marshal? How experienced with FIA
    series races?

    Horner is going along to get along.

    Marko has no such need; speaks his mind.

    Speaking one's mind is not a license to be a jerk.

    Horner was right to apologize as he didn't know that
    the marshal was in any way "rogue" to begin with.


    Facts are sufficient justification.

    'Rogue' signifies actions at odds with the
    preponderance of facts on the ground, which appears a
    valid concern. It is not a personal attack.


    One fact is enough. Is there a regulation which
    stipulates the waving of a yellow flag in those
    circumstances?

    Well, self-appointed professional shit stirrer, show the
    depth of your knowledge, was there?

    Did the marshal have prior top-tier FIA race
    experience?

    There you are hiding behind unknown irrelevancies.
    It's of no relevance unless he was not doing his job
    properly.

    See if the rogue marshal shows up in Saudi, rogue beak.
    But it doesn't matter.

    Even if a marshall waved a yellow flag because it was his
    daughters birthday and she really likes yellow, the driver
    still must always obey it, and should expect that every
    other driver to do the same.

    That's the way collective safety works.



    That's a great way to get people killed.

    How does waving a yellow flag...

    ...EVEN IF IT'S FOR NO REASON...

    ..."get people killed"?

    In close traffic, car ahead checking up for no reason,
    unexpectedly.


    LOL

    A yellow flag is a reason. Check the sporting code Fuckwit!

    Hilarious watching you dig this particular hole.


    Keep your head in the sand, benefit of the doubt it's not up your ass.

    Looks like that hole you're digging is a cesspit because everything you
    say is full of shit.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From News@21:1/5 to Bigbird on Fri Nov 26 12:19:42 2021
    On 11/25/2021 7:03 AM, Bigbird wrote:
    News wrote:

    On 11/24/2021 4:02 PM, Bigbird wrote:
    News wrote:

    On 11/24/2021 12:32 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-24 7:56 a.m., News wrote:
    On 11/24/2021 10:44 AM, Matt Larkin wrote:
    On Wednesday, 24 November 2021 at 15:07:56 UTC, News wrote:
    On 11/24/2021 8:15 AM, Bigbird wrote:
    News wrote:

    On 11/23/2021 1:59 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-23 7:29 a.m., News wrote:
    On 11/23/2021 8:41 AM, leonard hofstatder wrote:
    ...apologized to track marshall

    ...wanker!

    ;-D



    https://twitter.com/bobvarsha/status/1463119288701788161


    Varsha is correct about competent marshaling.

    Local or fly-in marshal? How experienced with FIA
    series races?

    Horner is going along to get along.

    Marko has no such need; speaks his mind.

    Speaking one's mind is not a license to be a jerk.

    Horner was right to apologize as he didn't know that
    the marshal was in any way "rogue" to begin with.


    Facts are sufficient justification.

    'Rogue' signifies actions at odds with the
    preponderance of facts on the ground, which appears a
    valid concern. It is not a personal attack.


    One fact is enough. Is there a regulation which
    stipulates the waving of a yellow flag in those
    circumstances?

    Well, self-appointed professional shit stirrer, show the
    depth of your knowledge, was there?

    Did the marshal have prior top-tier FIA race
    experience?

    There you are hiding behind unknown irrelevancies.
    It's of no relevance unless he was not doing his job
    properly.

    See if the rogue marshal shows up in Saudi, rogue beak.
    But it doesn't matter.

    Even if a marshall waved a yellow flag because it was his
    daughters birthday and she really likes yellow, the driver
    still must always obey it, and should expect that every
    other driver to do the same.

    That's the way collective safety works.



    That's a great way to get people killed.

    How does waving a yellow flag...

    ...EVEN IF IT'S FOR NO REASON...

    ..."get people killed"?

    In close traffic, car ahead checking up for no reason,
    unexpectedly.


    LOL

    A yellow flag is a reason. Check the sporting code Fuckwit!

    Hilarious watching you dig this particular hole.


    Keep your head in the sand, benefit of the doubt it's not up your ass.

    Looks like that hole you're digging is a cesspit because everything you
    say is full of shit.


    Your own fetid odor is clearly overwhelming your sense of smell, berk.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Bigbird@21:1/5 to News on Sat Dec 4 16:42:16 2021
    News wrote:

    On 11/25/2021 7:03 AM, Bigbird wrote:
    News wrote:

    On 11/24/2021 4:02 PM, Bigbird wrote:
    News wrote:

    On 11/24/2021 12:32 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-24 7:56 a.m., News wrote:
    On 11/24/2021 10:44 AM, Matt Larkin wrote:
    On Wednesday, 24 November 2021 at 15:07:56 UTC, News
    wrote:
    On 11/24/2021 8:15 AM, Bigbird wrote:
    News wrote:

    On 11/23/2021 1:59 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-23 7:29 a.m., News wrote:
    On 11/23/2021 8:41 AM, leonard hofstatder
    wrote:
    ...apologized to track marshall

    ...wanker!

    ;-D



    https://twitter.com/bobvarsha/status/1463119288701788161


    Varsha is correct about competent marshaling.

    Local or fly-in marshal? How experienced with
    FIA series races?

    Horner is going along to get along.

    Marko has no such need; speaks his mind.

    Speaking one's mind is not a license to be a
    jerk.

    Horner was right to apologize as he didn't know
    that the marshal was in any way "rogue" to
    begin with.


    Facts are sufficient justification.

    'Rogue' signifies actions at odds with the
    preponderance of facts on the ground, which
    appears a valid concern. It is not a personal
    attack.


    One fact is enough. Is there a regulation which
    stipulates the waving of a yellow flag in those circumstances?

    Well, self-appointed professional shit stirrer,
    show the depth of your knowledge, was there?

    Did the marshal have prior top-tier FIA race
    experience?

    There you are hiding behind unknown irrelevancies.
    It's of no relevance unless he was not doing his job properly.

    See if the rogue marshal shows up in Saudi, rogue
    beak.
    But it doesn't matter.

    Even if a marshall waved a yellow flag because it was
    his daughters birthday and she really likes yellow, the
    driver still must always obey it, and should expect
    that every other driver to do the same.

    That's the way collective safety works.



    That's a great way to get people killed.

    How does waving a yellow flag...

    ...EVEN IF IT'S FOR NO REASON...

    ..."get people killed"?

    In close traffic, car ahead checking up for no reason,
    unexpectedly.


    LOL

    A yellow flag is a reason. Check the sporting code Fuckwit!

    Hilarious watching you dig this particular hole.


    Keep your head in the sand, benefit of the doubt it's not up your
    ass.

    Looks like that hole you're digging is a cesspit because everything
    you say is full of shit.


    Your own fetid odor is clearly overwhelming your sense of smell, berk.

    Eh? Just how fucking stupid do you not mind looking? Very, I assume.

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