"Unfortunately there’s a yellow flag — he just didn’t see it," Horner >> told F1 media partner Sky Sports before Sunday's race that saw
Verstappen start seventh and finish second. "He saw the white one
(panel), he saw the car, he even saw a green light on the right-hand
side. I think it’s just a rogue marshal that stuck a flag out. He’s
not instructed to by the FIA — they’ve got to have control of the
marshals. It’s as simple as that. That’s a crucial blow in the
championship for us. We’re now starting P7 at a track you can’t
overtake at. That is massive.
"It's ridiculous," the 78-year-old Marko told European media outlet
Sport1. "The FIA cannot set up a decent marshaling system and tries to
hide its incompetence by putting it onto the shoulders of the drivers.
In the digital age, the drivers have everything on the display. And
there was nothing on the display. And suddenly an inexperienced person
was waving flags.
"Then the message came from Masi that it was OK, and at the same time
Max saw the green light which he thought was for him. It was just an
unfortunate situation and in my opinion none of the drivers should
have been punished."
https://www.autoweek.com/racing/formula-1/a38321253/red-bull-blasts-rogue-steward-incompetence-fia
"Unfortunately there’s a yellow flag — he just didn’t see it," Horner told F1 media partner Sky Sports before Sunday's race that saw Verstappen start seventh and finish second. "He saw the white one (panel), he saw the car, he even saw a greenlight on the right-hand side. I think it’s just a rogue marshal that stuck a flag out. He’s not instructed to by the FIA — they’ve got to have control of the marshals. It’s as simple as that. That’s a crucial blow in the championship for us.
"It's ridiculous," the 78-year-old Marko told European media outlet Sport1. "The FIA cannot set up a decent marshaling system and tries to hide its incompetence by putting it onto the shoulders of the drivers. In the digital age, the drivers haveeverything on the display. And there was nothing on the display. And suddenly an inexperienced person was waving flags.
"Then the message came from Masi that it was OK, and at the same time Max saw the green light which he thought was for him. It was just an unfortunate situation and in my opinion none of the drivers should have been punished."
"Unfortunately there’s a yellow flag — he just didn’t see it," Horner >> told F1 media partner Sky Sports before Sunday's race that saw
Verstappen start seventh and finish second. "He saw the white one
(panel), he saw the car, he even saw a green light on the right-hand
side. I think it’s just a rogue marshal that stuck a flag out. He’s
not instructed to by the FIA — they’ve got to have control of the
marshals. It’s as simple as that. That’s a crucial blow in the
championship for us. We’re now starting P7 at a track you can’t
overtake at. That is massive.
"It's ridiculous," the 78-year-old Marko told European media outlet
Sport1. "The FIA cannot set up a decent marshaling system and tries to
hide its incompetence by putting it onto the shoulders of the drivers.
In the digital age, the drivers have everything on the display. And
there was nothing on the display. And suddenly an inexperienced person
was waving flags.
"Then the message came from Masi that it was OK, and at the same time
Max saw the green light which he thought was for him. It was just an
unfortunate situation and in my opinion none of the drivers should
have been punished."
https://www.autoweek.com/racing/formula-1/a38321253/red-bull-blasts-rogue-steward-incompetence-fia
On 2021-11-22 11:33 a.m., News wrote:
"Unfortunately there’s a yellow flag — he just didn’t see it," Horner >>> told F1 media partner Sky Sports before Sunday's race that saw
Verstappen start seventh and finish second. "He saw the white one
(panel), he saw the car, he even saw a green light on the right-hand
side. I think it’s just a rogue marshal that stuck a flag out. He’s
not instructed to by the FIA — they’ve got to have control of the
marshals. It’s as simple as that. That’s a crucial blow in the
championship for us. We’re now starting P7 at a track you can’t
overtake at. That is massive.
"It's ridiculous," the 78-year-old Marko told European media outlet
Sport1. "The FIA cannot set up a decent marshaling system and tries
to hide its incompetence by putting it onto the shoulders of the
drivers. In the digital age, the drivers have everything on the
display. And there was nothing on the display. And suddenly an
inexperienced person was waving flags.
"Then the message came from Masi that it was OK, and at the same time
Max saw the green light which he thought was for him. It was just an
unfortunate situation and in my opinion none of the drivers should
have been punished."
https://www.autoweek.com/racing/formula-1/a38321253/red-bull-blasts-rogue-steward-incompetence-fia
The system is flawed.
But it is fundamental for safety that even the rules of a flawed system
need to be followed.
Failure to obey a yellow flag is a serious breach of a safety rule.
On 23/11/2021 8:33 am, News wrote:
"Unfortunately there’s a yellow flag — he just didn’t see it," Horner >>> told F1 media partner Sky Sports before Sunday's race that saw
Verstappen start seventh and finish second. "He saw the white one
(panel), he saw the car, he even saw a green light on the right-hand
side. I think it’s just a rogue marshal that stuck a flag out. He’s
not instructed to by the FIA — they’ve got to have control of the
marshals. It’s as simple as that. That’s a crucial blow in the
championship for us. We’re now starting P7 at a track you can’t
overtake at. That is massive.
"It's ridiculous," the 78-year-old Marko told European media outlet
Sport1. "The FIA cannot set up a decent marshaling system and tries
to hide its incompetence by putting it onto the shoulders of the
drivers. In the digital age, the drivers have everything on the
display. And there was nothing on the display. And suddenly an
inexperienced person was waving flags.
"Then the message came from Masi that it was OK, and at the same time
Max saw the green light which he thought was for him. It was just an
unfortunate situation and in my opinion none of the drivers should
have been punished."
https://www.autoweek.com/racing/formula-1/a38321253/red-bull-blasts-rogue-steward-incompetence-fia
I thought it had been clarified that (other in in Marko's mind) that the marshal was not in fact in error waving the flag at that specific moment.
geoff
On 11/22/2021 2:46 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2021-11-22 11:33 a.m., News wrote:
"Unfortunately there’s a yellow flag — he just didn’t see it,"
Horner told F1 media partner Sky Sports before Sunday's race that
saw Verstappen start seventh and finish second. "He saw the white
one (panel), he saw the car, he even saw a green light on the
right-hand side. I think it’s just a rogue marshal that stuck a flag >>>> out. He’s not instructed to by the FIA — they’ve got to have control >>>> of the marshals. It’s as simple as that. That’s a crucial blow in
the championship for us. We’re now starting P7 at a track you can’t >>>> overtake at. That is massive.
"It's ridiculous," the 78-year-old Marko told European media outlet
Sport1. "The FIA cannot set up a decent marshaling system and tries
to hide its incompetence by putting it onto the shoulders of the
drivers. In the digital age, the drivers have everything on the
display. And there was nothing on the display. And suddenly an
inexperienced person was waving flags.
"Then the message came from Masi that it was OK, and at the same
time Max saw the green light which he thought was for him. It was
just an unfortunate situation and in my opinion none of the drivers
should have been punished."
https://www.autoweek.com/racing/formula-1/a38321253/red-bull-blasts-rogue-steward-incompetence-fia
The system is flawed.
But it is fundamental for safety that even the rules of a flawed
system need to be followed.
Failure to obey a yellow flag is a serious breach of a safety rule.
Uncoordinated or random display of flags is fundamentally unsafe.
On 23/11/2021 8:33 am, News wrote:
"Unfortunately there’s a yellow flag — he just didn’t see it," Horner >>> told F1 media partner Sky Sports before Sunday's race that saw
Verstappen start seventh and finish second. "He saw the white one
(panel), he saw the car, he even saw a green light on the right-hand
side. I think it’s just a rogue marshal that stuck a flag out. He’s
not instructed to by the FIA — they’ve got to have control of the
marshals. It’s as simple as that. That’s a crucial blow in the
championship for us. We’re now starting P7 at a track you can’t
overtake at. That is massive.
"It's ridiculous," the 78-year-old Marko told European media outlet
Sport1. "The FIA cannot set up a decent marshaling system and tries
to hide its incompetence by putting it onto the shoulders of the
drivers. In the digital age, the drivers have everything on the
display. And there was nothing on the display. And suddenly an
inexperienced person was waving flags.
"Then the message came from Masi that it was OK, and at the same time
Max saw the green light which he thought was for him. It was just an
unfortunate situation and in my opinion none of the drivers should
have been punished."
https://www.autoweek.com/racing/formula-1/a38321253/red-bull-blasts-rogue-steward-incompetence-fia
I thought it had been clarified that (other in in Marko's mind) that the marshal was not in fact in error waving the flag at that specific moment.
geoff
On 2021-11-22 1:07 p.m., geoff wrote:
On 23/11/2021 8:33 am, News wrote:
I thought it had been clarified that (other in in Marko's mind) that"Unfortunately there’s a yellow flag — he just didn’t see it," Horner
told F1 media partner Sky Sports before Sunday's race that saw
Verstappen start seventh and finish second. "He saw the white one
(panel), he saw the car, he even saw a green light on the right-hand
side. I think it’s just a rogue marshal that stuck a flag out. He’s >>>> not instructed to by the FIA — they’ve got to have control of the
marshals. It’s as simple as that. That’s a crucial blow in the
championship for us. We’re now starting P7 at a track you can’t
overtake at. That is massive.
"It's ridiculous," the 78-year-old Marko told European media outlet
Sport1. "The FIA cannot set up a decent marshaling system and tries
to hide its incompetence by putting it onto the shoulders of the
drivers. In the digital age, the drivers have everything on the
display. And there was nothing on the display. And suddenly an
inexperienced person was waving flags.
"Then the message came from Masi that it was OK, and at the same time
Max saw the green light which he thought was for him. It was just an
unfortunate situation and in my opinion none of the drivers should
have been punished."
https://www.autoweek.com/racing/formula-1/a38321253/red-bull-blasts- rogue-steward-incompetence-fia
the marshal was not in fact in error waving the flag at that specific
moment.
geoff
I honestly don't know.
But it does not matter.
If the flag is displayed, Verstappen has to respect it.
Period.
On Mon, 22 Nov 2021 13:24:31 -0800, Alan wrote:
On 2021-11-22 1:07 p.m., geoff wrote:rogue-steward-incompetence-fia
On 23/11/2021 8:33 am, News wrote:
"Unfortunately there’s a yellow flag — he just didn’t see it," Horner
told F1 media partner Sky Sports before Sunday's race that saw
Verstappen start seventh and finish second. "He saw the white one
(panel), he saw the car, he even saw a green light on the right-hand >>>>> side. I think it’s just a rogue marshal that stuck a flag out. He’s >>>>> not instructed to by the FIA — they’ve got to have control of the >>>>> marshals. It’s as simple as that. That’s a crucial blow in the
championship for us. We’re now starting P7 at a track you can’t
overtake at. That is massive.
"It's ridiculous," the 78-year-old Marko told European media outlet
Sport1. "The FIA cannot set up a decent marshaling system and tries
to hide its incompetence by putting it onto the shoulders of the
drivers. In the digital age, the drivers have everything on the
display. And there was nothing on the display. And suddenly an
inexperienced person was waving flags.
"Then the message came from Masi that it was OK, and at the same time >>>>> Max saw the green light which he thought was for him. It was just an >>>>> unfortunate situation and in my opinion none of the drivers should
have been punished."
https://www.autoweek.com/racing/formula-1/a38321253/red-bull-blasts-
I thought it had been clarified that (other in in Marko's mind) that
the marshal was not in fact in error waving the flag at that specific
moment.
geoff
I honestly don't know.
But it does not matter.
If the flag is displayed, Verstappen has to respect it.
Period.
& if you recieve conflicting information you obey the one with the
highest priority/severity
On 2021-11-22 12:49 p.m., News wrote:
On 11/22/2021 2:46 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2021-11-22 11:33 a.m., News wrote:
"Unfortunately there’s a yellow flag — he just didn’t see it," >>>>> Horner told F1 media partner Sky Sports before Sunday's race that
saw Verstappen start seventh and finish second. "He saw the white
one (panel), he saw the car, he even saw a green light on the
right-hand side. I think it’s just a rogue marshal that stuck a
flag out. He’s not instructed to by the FIA — they’ve got to have >>>>> control of the marshals. It’s as simple as that. That’s a crucial >>>>> blow in the championship for us. We’re now starting P7 at a track
you can’t overtake at. That is massive.
"It's ridiculous," the 78-year-old Marko told European media outlet
Sport1. "The FIA cannot set up a decent marshaling system and tries
to hide its incompetence by putting it onto the shoulders of the
drivers. In the digital age, the drivers have everything on the
display. And there was nothing on the display. And suddenly an
inexperienced person was waving flags.
"Then the message came from Masi that it was OK, and at the same
time Max saw the green light which he thought was for him. It was
just an unfortunate situation and in my opinion none of the drivers
should have been punished."
https://www.autoweek.com/racing/formula-1/a38321253/red-bull-blasts-rogue-steward-incompetence-fia
The system is flawed.
But it is fundamental for safety that even the rules of a flawed
system need to be followed.
Failure to obey a yellow flag is a serious breach of a safety rule.
Uncoordinated or random display of flags is fundamentally unsafe.
But you can't address that by failing to penalize a driver for not
responding correctly to a displayed flag.
On 11/22/2021 4:23 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2021-11-22 12:49 p.m., News wrote:
On 11/22/2021 2:46 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2021-11-22 11:33 a.m., News wrote:
"Unfortunately there’s a yellow flag — he just didn’t see it," >>>>>> Horner told F1 media partner Sky Sports before Sunday's race that
saw Verstappen start seventh and finish second. "He saw the white
one (panel), he saw the car, he even saw a green light on the
right-hand side. I think it’s just a rogue marshal that stuck a
flag out. He’s not instructed to by the FIA — they’ve got to have >>>>>> control of the marshals. It’s as simple as that. That’s a crucial >>>>>> blow in the championship for us. We’re now starting P7 at a track >>>>>> you can’t overtake at. That is massive.
"It's ridiculous," the 78-year-old Marko told European media
outlet Sport1. "The FIA cannot set up a decent marshaling system
and tries to hide its incompetence by putting it onto the
shoulders of the drivers. In the digital age, the drivers have
everything on the display. And there was nothing on the display.
And suddenly an inexperienced person was waving flags.
"Then the message came from Masi that it was OK, and at the same
time Max saw the green light which he thought was for him. It was
just an unfortunate situation and in my opinion none of the
drivers should have been punished."
https://www.autoweek.com/racing/formula-1/a38321253/red-bull-blasts-rogue-steward-incompetence-fia
The system is flawed.
But it is fundamental for safety that even the rules of a flawed
system need to be followed.
Failure to obey a yellow flag is a serious breach of a safety rule.
Uncoordinated or random display of flags is fundamentally unsafe.
But you can't address that by failing to penalize a driver for not
responding correctly to a displayed flag.
Uncoordinated or random display of flags is fundamentally unsafe to
drivers, and is addressed by rostering competent marshals.
Failing their local availability, refuse to race where competent
volunteers won't travel.
Period.
Do you think that if a driver sees a yellow flag, he should get to
decide whether or not to obey it?
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