https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1503005-REG/sound_devices_mixpre_6_ii_6_channel.html/overview
Someone said this is "Miles Beyond" the sound
quality of the Zoom H6.
What say all of you?
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1503005-REG/sound_devices_mixpre_6_ii_6_channel.html/overview
Someone said this is "Miles Beyond" the sound
quality of the Zoom H6.
What say all of you?
On 8/14/2021 11:09 PM, Paul Dorman wrote:
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1503005-REG/sound_devices_mixpre_6_ii_6_channel.html/overview
Someone said this is "Miles Beyond" the sound
quality of the Zoom H6.
What say all of you?
Miles beyond in terms of features for certain kinds of projects. Preamps
are quiet and have a little more gain that most, but it's really not a
fair comparison between the two.
On 8/14/2021 11:09 PM, Paul Dorman wrote:
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1503005-REG/sound_devices_mixpre_6_ii_6_channel.html/overview
Someone said this is "Miles Beyond" the sound
quality of the Zoom H6.
What say all of you?
This is an apples vs. oranges comparison. The Zoom H6 and similar
devices are tools of convenience. So, if they are suitable to your use,
the mixer is probably overkill. Depending on such things as the level of
the event's sound and background noise in the environment, there may be
no benefit to better quality devices.
Someone on this NG once stated that it's best to
get the cheapest equipment these days, because the electronics
perform almost identically, no matter the price tag.
The Zoom H6 is about $350, and the Mixpre 6 is about $970.
If you read the reviews, many people have been upgrading
from the Zoom H6, to the Mixpre, and all of them have been
pleased with the sound quality improvement. But I'm
wondering how much of that perceived improvement, is
simply a placebo effect, or a "I just spent 2.7 times
more money, so I must hear better recordings!" type of
response?
Someone on this NG once stated that it's best to
get the cheapest equipment these days, because the electronics
perform almost identically, no matter the price tag.
Someone on this NG once stated that it's best to
get the cheapest equipment these days, because the electronics
perform almost identically, no matter the price tag.
Someone said this is "Miles Beyond" the sound
quality of the Zoom H6.
What say all of you?
If you read the reviews,
many people have been upgrading
from the Zoom H6, to the Mixpre, and all of them have been
pleased with the sound quality improvement.
But I'm
wondering how much of that perceived improvement, is
simply a placebo effect,
or a "I just spent 2.7 times
more money, so I must hear better recordings!" type of
response?
Someone on this NG once stated that it's best to
get the cheapest equipment these days, because the electronics
perform almost identically, no matter the price tag.
I mean, aren't most modern audio A-to-D converters pretty
much the same these days? In terms of the SINAD ratio? In
terms of the phase noise of the crystal oscillator clock that feeds
them, which can be integrated into an equivalent RMS jitter?
On 8/15/2021 8:01 AM, Neil wrote:
On 8/14/2021 11:09 PM, Paul Dorman wrote:
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1503005-REG/sound_devices_mixpre_6_ii_6_channel.html/overview
Someone said this is "Miles Beyond" the sound
quality of the Zoom H6.
What say all of you?
This is an apples vs. oranges comparison. The Zoom H6 and similar
devices are tools of convenience. So, if they are suitable to your
use, the mixer is probably overkill. Depending on such things as the
level of the event's sound and background noise in the environment,
there may be no benefit to better quality devices.
The Zoom H6 is about $350, and the Mixpre 6 is about $970.
If you read the reviews, many people have been upgrading
from the Zoom H6, to the Mixpre, and all of them have been
pleased with the sound quality improvement. But I'm
wondering how much of that perceived improvement, is
simply a placebo effect, or a "I just spent 2.7 times
more money, so I must hear better recordings!" type of
response?
Someone on this NG once stated that it's best to
get the cheapest equipment these days, because the electronics
perform almost identically, no matter the price tag.
I mean, aren't most modern audio A-to-D converters pretty
much the same these days? In terms of the SINAD ratio? In
terms of the phase noise of the crystal oscillator clock that feeds
them, which can be integrated into an equivalent RMS jitter?
On 8/15/2021 2:08 PM, Paul Dorman wrote:
On 8/15/2021 8:01 AM, Neil wrote:
On 8/14/2021 11:09 PM, Paul Dorman wrote:
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1503005-REG/sound_devices_mixpre_6_ii_6_channel.html/overview
Someone said this is "Miles Beyond" the sound
quality of the Zoom H6.
What say all of you?
This is an apples vs. oranges comparison. The Zoom H6 and similar
devices are tools of convenience. So, if they are suitable to your
use, the mixer is probably overkill. Depending on such things as the
level of the event's sound and background noise in the environment,
there may be no benefit to better quality devices.
The Zoom H6 is about $350, and the Mixpre 6 is about $970.
If you read the reviews, many people have been upgrading
from the Zoom H6, to the Mixpre, and all of them have been
pleased with the sound quality improvement. But I'm
wondering how much of that perceived improvement, is
simply a placebo effect, or a "I just spent 2.7 times
more money, so I must hear better recordings!" type of
response?
Someone on this NG once stated that it's best to
get the cheapest equipment these days, because the electronics
perform almost identically, no matter the price tag.
I mean, aren't most modern audio A-to-D converters pretty
much the same these days? In terms of the SINAD ratio? In
terms of the phase noise of the crystal oscillator clock that feeds
them, which can be integrated into an equivalent RMS jitter?
Perhaps you'd get better answers if you tell us HOW and WHERE you are
using (or planning on using) the equipment. Do you have good external
mics that you would use in either case? Do you need to use more than two mics? Are you recording dialogue or rock bands? Will you be recording in
a studio environment or in a garage?
Paul wrote:
=========
If you read the reviews,
** Bad idea - most are fake or just plain bullshit.
many people have been upgrading
from the Zoom H6, to the Mixpre, and all of them have been
pleased with the sound quality improvement.
** Yawnnnnnn.........
But I'm
wondering how much of that perceived improvement, is
simply a placebo effect,
** Nearly all of it.
or a "I just spent 2.7 times
more money, so I must hear better recordings!" type of
response?
** Exactly - folk are never gonna say how they wasted money for nothing.
Someone on this NG once stated that it's best to** That is going too far - cos there is more involved than perceived sound quality.
get the cheapest equipment these days, because the electronics
perform almost identically, no matter the price tag.
Features, ruggedness and long term reliability cost money too - ultra cheap units lack all three.
I mean, aren't most modern audio A-to-D converters pretty
much the same these days? In terms of the SINAD ratio? In
terms of the phase noise of the crystal oscillator clock that feeds
them, which can be integrated into an equivalent RMS jitter?
** FFS top believing marketing bullshit.
If you read the reviews,
** Bad idea - most are fake or just plain bullshit.
Some may be fake, but most are real.
The modern
internet advent of 100s, or even 1000s of user reviews,
has GREATLY improved the buying savvy of the public,
because we get direct feedback from REAL users, and their
REAL experiences with the equipment.
Fake reviews are usually easy to spot:
** Exactly - folk are never gonna say how they wasted money for nothing.
I'd like to see a double blind test,
** FFS top believing marketing bullshit.
That not just marketing B.S.,
But I'm sure the phase noise of the crystal oscillators
PITA Paul wrote:
=============
>
If you read the reviews,
** Bad idea - most are fake or just plain bullshit.
Some may be fake, but most are real.
** But still mostly bullshit.
The modern
internet advent of 100s, or even 1000s of user reviews,
has GREATLY improved the buying savvy of the public,
** Nonsense.
because we get direct feedback from REAL users, and their
REAL experiences with the equipment.
** None of whom you know or who know a thing.
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Fake reviews are usually easy to spot:
** But bullshit is invisible.
** Exactly - folk are never gonna say how they wasted money for nothing.
I'd like to see a double blind test,
** Yawnnnnnn.......
** FFS top believing marketing bullshit.That not just marketing B.S.,
** Yawnnnnnnn.......
See, you cannot tell fact from BS.
But I'm sure the phase noise of the crystal oscillators
** Get you hands off it.
The science of audio is NOT your subject.
Some may be fake, but most are real.
** But still mostly bullshit.
The modern
internet advent of 100s, or even 1000s of user reviews,
has GREATLY improved the buying savvy of the public,
** Nonsense.
because we get direct feedback from REAL users, and their
REAL experiences with the equipment.
** None of whom you know or who know a thing. --------------------------------------------------------------------
Fake reviews are usually easy to spot:
** But bullshit is invisible.
** Exactly - folk are never gonna say how they wasted money for nothing.
I'd like to see a double blind test,
** Yawnnnnnn.......
** FFS top believing marketing bullshit.That not just marketing B.S.,
** Yawnnnnnnn.......
See, you cannot tell fact from BS.
But I'm sure the phase noise of the crystal oscillators
** Get you hands off it.
The science of audio is NOT your subject.
Ah yes, you are yet another attention whore!
Someone on this NG once stated that it's best to** That is going too far - cos there is more involved than perceived sound quality.
get the cheapest equipment these days, because the electronics
perform almost identically, no matter the price tag.
Features, ruggedness and long term reliability cost money too - ultra cheap units lack all three.
On Sun, 15 Aug 2021 13:41:47 -0700 (PDT), "palli...@gmail.com" <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:
Someone on this NG once stated that it's best to** That is going too far - cos there is more involved than perceived sound quality.
get the cheapest equipment these days, because the electronics
perform almost identically, no matter the price tag.
Features, ruggedness and long term reliability cost money too - ultra cheap units lack all three.
It was me, and the context of my post was solely sound quality. I
totally agree that component choice and build standard weight heavily
- in fact, given my original statement, they are the only things you
need to consider. Sound quality will be a given. Or should be - there
is always room for genuine incompetence.
On 8/15/2021 2:12 PM, Neil wrote:[...]
Perhaps you'd get better answers if you tell us HOW and WHERE you are
using (or planning on using) the equipment. Do you have good external
mics that you would use in either case? Do you need to use more than
two mics? Are you recording dialogue or rock bands? Will you be
recording in a studio environment or in a garage?
I would use it to record a grand piano in my living room, as
stated in my other thread, although I might also use it to record
bands, sometimes in their rehearsal spaces. I have good external mics,
and would need at least 3 channels.
It was me, and the context of my post was solely sound quality. I
totally agree that component choice and build standard weight heavily
- in fact, given my original statement, they are the only things you
need to consider. Sound quality will be a given. Or should be - there
is always room for genuine incompetence.
On 8/15/2021 9:31 PM, Paul Dorman wrote:
On 8/15/2021 2:12 PM, Neil wrote:[...]
Perhaps you'd get better answers if you tell us HOW and WHERE you are
using (or planning on using) the equipment. Do you have good external
mics that you would use in either case? Do you need to use more than
two mics? Are you recording dialogue or rock bands? Will you be
recording in a studio environment or in a garage?
I would use it to record a grand piano in my living room, as
stated in my other thread, although I might also use it to record
bands, sometimes in their rehearsal spaces. I have good external
mics, and would need at least 3 channels.
In that case, I doubt that there is any benefit to the audio quality or
extra gain of the mixpre.
On 8/16/2021 10:23 AM, Neil wrote:
On 8/15/2021 9:31 PM, Paul Dorman wrote:
On 8/15/2021 2:12 PM, Neil wrote:[...]
Perhaps you'd get better answers if you tell us HOW and WHERE you
are using (or planning on using) the equipment. Do you have good
external mics that you would use in either case? Do you need to use
more than two mics? Are you recording dialogue or rock bands? Will
you be recording in a studio environment or in a garage?
I would use it to record a grand piano in my living room, as
stated in my other thread, although I might also use it to record
bands, sometimes in their rehearsal spaces. I have good external
mics, and would need at least 3 channels.
In that case, I doubt that there is any benefit to the audio quality
or extra gain of the mixpre.
There isn't much traffic noise in my neighborhood, and I
take my music very seriously. I would like to create the best
recordings reasonably possible, so I'm willing to shell out a
bit more cash for better sound.
But I wanna pay for a REAL improvement in lower noise
floor, or less harmonic distortion, and not an imaginary (or placebo)
one.
On 8/16/2021 10:23 AM, Neil wrote:
On 8/15/2021 9:31 PM, Paul Dorman wrote:
On 8/15/2021 2:12 PM, Neil wrote:[...]
Perhaps you'd get better answers if you tell us HOW and WHERE you
are using (or planning on using) the equipment. Do you have good
external mics that you would use in either case? Do you need to use
more than two mics? Are you recording dialogue or rock bands? Will
you be recording in a studio environment or in a garage?
I would use it to record a grand piano in my living room, as
stated in my other thread, although I might also use it to record
bands, sometimes in their rehearsal spaces. I have good external
mics, and would need at least 3 channels.
In that case, I doubt that there is any benefit to the audio quality
or extra gain of the mixpre.
There isn't much traffic noise in my neighborhood, and I
take my music very seriously. I would like to create the best
recordings reasonably possible, so I'm willing to shell out a
bit more cash for better sound.
But I wanna pay for a REAL improvement in lower noise
floor, or less harmonic distortion, and not an imaginary (or placebo)
one.
And one can make the argument that even ultra cheap
products, most of which have excellent sound quality, can
still be better in the long run, simply because you can
just buy a NEW unit, when something stops working!
The two factors at play are both the noise level of the room and the the signal level of the instrument. For a real answer about how quiet your
room is, get a noise meter and measure it. I'd be surprised if the noise level is below 30 or 40 dB unless your music room has isolated floors
and walls as well as serious insulation in the outer walls and sub
floor. At the same time, the level of the piano is going to be well
above 30 dB even during fade-outs. Don't even worry about bands in their rehearsal spaces.
I would like to create the best
recordings reasonably possible, so I'm willing to shell out a
bit more cash for better sound.
But I wanna pay for a REAL improvement in lower noise
floor, or less harmonic distortion, and not an imaginary (or placebo)
one.
Paul Dorman <quiller123@gmail.com> wrote:
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1503005-REG/sound_devices_mixpre_6_ii_6_channel.html/overview
Someone said this is "Miles Beyond" the sound
quality of the Zoom H6.
What say all of you?
I've never used the Zoom, but the Sound Devices is sort of the entry level professional field recorder. It's what people use, and it's pretty much blameless as a recorder, but the field mixing ability is limited. Preamps and converters are perfectly okay.
--scott
On Aug 15, 2021 at 14:07:15 CDT, "Scott Dorsey" <Scott Dorsey> wrote:
Paul Dorman <quiller123@gmail.com> wrote:
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1503005-REG/sound_devices_mixpre_6_ii_6_channel.html/overview
Someone said this is "Miles Beyond" the sound
quality of the Zoom H6.
What say all of you?
I've never used the Zoom, but the Sound Devices is sort of the entry level >> professional field recorder. It's what people use, and it's pretty much
blameless as a recorder, but the field mixing ability is limited. Preamps >> and converters are perfectly okay.
I understand from listening to working soundmen that in the movie industry >Sound Devices is the standard.
Also, not sure it is available on the Mixpre6, but they now have a noise >reduction addon that is the cat's meow.
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