• Surround-sound/stereo question

    From super70s@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 12 12:12:32 2022
    XPost: rec.audio.tech

    I'm getting ready to set up a surround-sound system for watching my DVDs
    and Blu-rays, for the first time. According to the receiver manual the
    normal procedure is hook up the front speakers from the "A" terminal on
    the receiver, then hook up the rear speakers using the "surround-sound" terminals on the receiver.

    However since I don't particularly want to listen to my CDs and LPs in surround-sound, I was wondering if it would hurt anything to run another
    set of wires from the "B" terminals on the receiver to the same front
    speakers, then activate that using the "B" speakers button on the front
    of the receiver. Of course you wouldn't want to have the "A" and "B"
    buttons activated at the same time.

    I've never tried to run two sets of wires to the same speaker(s) before
    and thought I'd check in here before I experimented and screwed up
    something bigtime.

    I suppose I could always diminish the sound to the rear speakers using
    the "A" setup while listening to CDs and LPs using the "+" and "-"
    controls on the front of the receiver but this seems like it would be a
    big hassle since (according to the manual anyway) you have to kind of
    work at it to strike the perfect balance between the front and rear
    speakers for the surround-sound effect.

    Hope I explained myself clearly and TIA.

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  • From Don Pearce@21:1/5 to super70s@super70s.invalid on Sun Jun 12 19:19:53 2022
    XPost: rec.audio.tech

    On Sun, 12 Jun 2022 12:12:32 -0500, super70s
    <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:

    I'm getting ready to set up a surround-sound system for watching my DVDs
    and Blu-rays, for the first time. According to the receiver manual the
    normal procedure is hook up the front speakers from the "A" terminal on
    the receiver, then hook up the rear speakers using the "surround-sound" >terminals on the receiver.

    However since I don't particularly want to listen to my CDs and LPs in >surround-sound, I was wondering if it would hurt anything to run another
    set of wires from the "B" terminals on the receiver to the same front >speakers, then activate that using the "B" speakers button on the front
    of the receiver. Of course you wouldn't want to have the "A" and "B"
    buttons activated at the same time.

    I've never tried to run two sets of wires to the same speaker(s) before
    and thought I'd check in here before I experimented and screwed up
    something bigtime.

    I suppose I could always diminish the sound to the rear speakers using
    the "A" setup while listening to CDs and LPs using the "+" and "-"
    controls on the front of the receiver but this seems like it would be a
    big hassle since (according to the manual anyway) you have to kind of
    work at it to strike the perfect balance between the front and rear
    speakers for the surround-sound effect.

    Hope I explained myself clearly and TIA.

    Messing with the wiring this way is certain to release the magic
    smoke. Wire it up the way they say and rest assured that neither your
    CDs nor your vinyl will be reproduced in surround. They will play
    perfectly normally in stereo through the front left and right
    speakers.

    d

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  • From Trevor Wilson@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 13 06:28:26 2022
    XPost: rec.audio.tech

    On 13/06/2022 3:12 am, super70s wrote:
    I'm getting ready to set up a surround-sound system for watching my DVDs
    and Blu-rays, for the first time. According to the receiver manual the
    normal procedure is hook up the front speakers from the "A" terminal on
    the receiver, then hook up the rear speakers using the "surround-sound" terminals on the receiver.

    However since I don't particularly want to listen to my CDs and LPs in surround-sound, I was wondering if it would hurt anything to run another
    set of wires from the "B" terminals on the receiver to the same front speakers, then activate that using the "B" speakers button on the front
    of the receiver. Of course you wouldn't want to have the "A" and "B"
    buttons activated at the same time.

    I've never tried to run two sets of wires to the same speaker(s) before
    and thought I'd check in here before I experimented and screwed up
    something bigtime.

    I suppose I could always diminish the sound to the rear speakers using
    the "A" setup while listening to CDs and LPs using the "+" and "-"
    controls on the front of the receiver but this seems like it would be a
    big hassle since (according to the manual anyway) you have to kind of
    work at it to strike the perfect balance between the front and rear
    speakers for the surround-sound effect.

    Hope I explained myself clearly and TIA.


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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to super70s@super70s.invalid on Mon Jun 13 00:23:39 2022
    XPost: rec.audio.tech

    super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:

    However since I don't particularly want to listen to my CDs and LPs in >surround-sound, I was wondering if it would hurt anything to run another
    set of wires from the "B" terminals on the receiver to the same front >speakers, then activate that using the "B" speakers button on the front
    of the receiver. Of course you wouldn't want to have the "A" and "B"
    buttons activated at the same time.

    Why would you expect the CD and phono inputs would be decoded into surround?
    I think you are trying to solve a problem that does not exist.
    --scott

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  • From John Williamson@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Mon Jun 13 02:02:55 2022
    XPost: rec.audio.tech

    On 13/06/2022 01:23, Scott Dorsey wrote:

    Why would you expect the CD and phono inputs would be decoded into surround? I think you are trying to solve a problem that does not exist.


    Confusing using a modern 5.1 system with the trick we used to use of
    connecting the two rear speakers in series between the two positive
    connection on the front ones to extract the out of phase reverb?

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  • From super70s@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Sun Jun 12 23:53:56 2022
    XPost: rec.audio.tech

    In article <t8602b$db7$1@panix2.panix.com>,
    kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

    super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:

    However since I don't particularly want to listen to my CDs and LPs in >surround-sound, I was wondering if it would hurt anything to run another >set of wires from the "B" terminals on the receiver to the same front >speakers, then activate that using the "B" speakers button on the front
    of the receiver. Of course you wouldn't want to have the "A" and "B" >buttons activated at the same time.

    Why would you expect the CD and phono inputs would be decoded into surround? I think you are trying to solve a problem that does not exist.
    --scott

    I didn't expect them to be reproduced in true surround, I just wanted
    listen to them only from the front speakers.

    I have two other complete (non-surround) stereo systems in my home so I
    guess I'll just listen to my CDs and LPs on them.

    Or maybe I can just use the "+" and "-" center and rear level controls
    in the front of the surround-sound receiver, it would be helpful if
    there was some kind of graphic indicator for those on the front but it's
    just the four buttons. Then you're supposed to run some test with a
    sequence of beeps coming from each of the four speakers to get the
    optimum balance from the front and rear.

    BTW this receiver I'm using isn't even a more modern "5.1" surround
    type, it's an old "Dolby Surround Pro-Logic" from early in the century.
    I have HDMI running from the Blu-ray player to the TV but for the TV's
    audio out to the receiver I use the old RCA jacks (the only kind the
    receiver will accept).

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  • From Don Pearce@21:1/5 to super70s@super70s.invalid on Mon Jun 13 09:22:09 2022
    XPost: rec.audio.tech

    On Sun, 12 Jun 2022 23:53:56 -0500, super70s
    <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:

    In article <t8602b$db7$1@panix2.panix.com>,
    kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

    super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:

    However since I don't particularly want to listen to my CDs and LPs in
    surround-sound, I was wondering if it would hurt anything to run another
    set of wires from the "B" terminals on the receiver to the same front
    speakers, then activate that using the "B" speakers button on the front
    of the receiver. Of course you wouldn't want to have the "A" and "B"
    buttons activated at the same time.

    Why would you expect the CD and phono inputs would be decoded into surround? >> I think you are trying to solve a problem that does not exist.
    --scott

    I didn't expect them to be reproduced in true surround, I just wanted
    listen to them only from the front speakers.

    I have two other complete (non-surround) stereo systems in my home so I
    guess I'll just listen to my CDs and LPs on them.

    Or maybe I can just use the "+" and "-" center and rear level controls
    in the front of the surround-sound receiver, it would be helpful if
    there was some kind of graphic indicator for those on the front but it's
    just the four buttons. Then you're supposed to run some test with a
    sequence of beeps coming from each of the four speakers to get the
    optimum balance from the front and rear.

    BTW this receiver I'm using isn't even a more modern "5.1" surround
    type, it's an old "Dolby Surround Pro-Logic" from early in the century.
    I have HDMI running from the Blu-ray player to the TV but for the TV's
    audio out to the receiver I use the old RCA jacks (the only kind the
    receiver will accept).

    Please stop. Just put it together exactly as recommended. Stereo
    sources will produce stereo sound from the front speakers. If you hear
    stuff from rear speakers you have turned on Pro Logic. Turn that off.

    You are simply inventing problems for your self.

    d

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  • From geoff@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 13 22:33:55 2022
    XPost: rec.audio.tech

    On 13/06/2022 4:53 pm, super70s wrote:
    In article <t8602b$db7$1@panix2.panix.com>,
    kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

    super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:

    However since I don't particularly want to listen to my CDs and LPs in
    surround-sound, I was wondering if it would hurt anything to run another >>> set of wires from the "B" terminals on the receiver to the same front
    speakers, then activate that using the "B" speakers button on the front
    of the receiver. Of course you wouldn't want to have the "A" and "B"
    buttons activated at the same time.

    Why would you expect the CD and phono inputs would be decoded into surround? >> I think you are trying to solve a problem that does not exist.
    --scott

    I didn't expect them to be reproduced in true surround, I just wanted
    listen to them only from the front speakers.

    I have two other complete (non-surround) stereo systems in my home so I
    guess I'll just listen to my CDs and LPs on them.

    Read what people said.

    If you play a stereo (2 -channel) CD on your system, only the front 2
    channels will play anything.

    It can't (and won't) magic up stuff to come from the rear speakers.

    geoff

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to super70s@super70s.invalid on Mon Jun 13 13:52:24 2022
    XPost: rec.audio.tech

    super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:

    BTW this receiver I'm using isn't even a more modern "5.1" surround
    type, it's an old "Dolby Surround Pro-Logic" from early in the century.
    I have HDMI running from the Blu-ray player to the TV but for the TV's
    audio out to the receiver I use the old RCA jacks (the only kind the
    receiver will accept).

    Okay, so THIS is the first important piece of information that you left off
    of your question.

    Even so... what makes you think going through the CD input will go through
    the pro-logic decoder? The center and surround channels should be silent.
    If they are not, you have the receiver configured incorrectly.
    --scott



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  • From Chuck@21:1/5 to super70s@super70s.invalid on Mon Jun 13 15:16:30 2022
    On Sun, 12 Jun 2022 12:12:32 -0500, super70s
    <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:

    I'm getting ready to set up a surround-sound system for watching my DVDs
    and Blu-rays, for the first time. According to the receiver manual the
    normal procedure is hook up the front speakers from the "A" terminal on
    the receiver, then hook up the rear speakers using the "surround-sound" >terminals on the receiver.

    However since I don't particularly want to listen to my CDs and LPs in >surround-sound, I was wondering if it would hurt anything to run another
    set of wires from the "B" terminals on the receiver to the same front >speakers, then activate that using the "B" speakers button on the front
    of the receiver. Of course you wouldn't want to have the "A" and "B"
    buttons activated at the same time.

    I've never tried to run two sets of wires to the same speaker(s) before
    and thought I'd check in here before I experimented and screwed up
    something bigtime.

    I suppose I could always diminish the sound to the rear speakers using
    the "A" setup while listening to CDs and LPs using the "+" and "-"
    controls on the front of the receiver but this seems like it would be a
    big hassle since (according to the manual anyway) you have to kind of
    work at it to strike the perfect balance between the front and rear
    speakers for the surround-sound effect.

    Hope I explained myself clearly and TIA.
    Your receiver's remote probably has a stereo button. Push it.

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  • From super70s@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Mon Jun 13 21:24:50 2022
    XPost: rec.audio.tech

    In article <t87feo$skt$1@panix2.panix.com>,
    kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

    super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:

    BTW this receiver I'm using isn't even a more modern "5.1" surround
    type, it's an old "Dolby Surround Pro-Logic" from early in the century.
    I have HDMI running from the Blu-ray player to the TV but for the TV's >audio out to the receiver I use the old RCA jacks (the only kind the >receiver will accept).

    Okay, so THIS is the first important piece of information that you left off of your question.

    Even so... what makes you think going through the CD input will go through the pro-logic decoder?
    The center and surround channels should be silent.
    If they are not, you have the receiver configured incorrectly.
    --scott

    I've never used a true surround sound receiver until now (it's still in transit) and I assumed (wrongly I guess) all four speakers would be
    activated even when using the CD or phono modes.

    I was just interested in hearing CDs and LPs from the front speakers
    only with a surround set up, the way I've been listening to music for 50
    years.

    With my previous straight stereo receiver I just had the front speakers
    hooked up to "A" and the rear speakers hooked up to "B" and I could turn
    the rear speakers on and off when watching video or listening to CDs accordingly.

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  • From geoff@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 14 16:33:22 2022
    XPost: rec.audio.tech

    On 14/06/2022 2:24 pm, super70s wrote:
    In article <t87feo$skt$1@panix2.panix.com>,
    kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

    super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:

    BTW this receiver I'm using isn't even a more modern "5.1" surround
    type, it's an old "Dolby Surround Pro-Logic" from early in the century.
    I have HDMI running from the Blu-ray player to the TV but for the TV's
    audio out to the receiver I use the old RCA jacks (the only kind the
    receiver will accept).

    Okay, so THIS is the first important piece of information that you left off >> of your question.

    Even so... what makes you think going through the CD input will go through >> the pro-logic decoder?
    The center and surround channels should be silent.
    If they are not, you have the receiver configured incorrectly.
    --scott

    I've never used a true surround sound receiver until now (it's still in transit) and I assumed (wrongly I guess) all four speakers would be
    activated even when using the CD or phono modes.

    I was just interested in hearing CDs and LPs from the front speakers
    only with a surround set up, the way I've been listening to music for 50 years.

    With my previous straight stereo receiver I just had the front speakers hooked up to "A" and the rear speakers hooked up to "B" and I could turn
    the rear speakers on and off when watching video or listening to CDs accordingly.


    Well it wasn't a 'straight stereo receiver' then !

    geoff

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  • From super70s@21:1/5 to geoff on Wed Jun 15 03:45:14 2022
    XPost: rec.audio.tech

    In article <Jf2dndWNPMMLkjX_nZ2dnUU7-UHNnZ2d@giganews.com>,
    geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:

    On 14/06/2022 2:24 pm, super70s wrote:
    In article <t87feo$skt$1@panix2.panix.com>,
    kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

    super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:

    BTW this receiver I'm using isn't even a more modern "5.1" surround
    type, it's an old "Dolby Surround Pro-Logic" from early in the century. >>> I have HDMI running from the Blu-ray player to the TV but for the TV's >>> audio out to the receiver I use the old RCA jacks (the only kind the
    receiver will accept).

    Okay, so THIS is the first important piece of information that you left off
    of your question.

    Even so... what makes you think going through the CD input will go through >> the pro-logic decoder?
    The center and surround channels should be silent.
    If they are not, you have the receiver configured incorrectly.
    --scott

    I've never used a true surround sound receiver until now (it's still in transit) and I assumed (wrongly I guess) all four speakers would be activated even when using the CD or phono modes.

    I was just interested in hearing CDs and LPs from the front speakers
    only with a surround set up, the way I've been listening to music for 50 years.

    With my previous straight stereo receiver I just had the front speakers hooked up to "A" and the rear speakers hooked up to "B" and I could turn the rear speakers on and off when watching video or listening to CDs accordingly.


    Well it wasn't a 'straight stereo receiver' then !

    geoff

    I don't think I've ever owned a receiver that didn't have A and B
    speaker terminals, even my two almost 50-year-old Marantzes from the
    1970s.

    Right now I have all the audio from the TV (which includes the Blu-ray
    as well as an old VCR) going into one source on the receiver. With the
    surround sound receiver I think I'm going to try to hook the audio from
    the Blu-ray directly into the receiver (in addition to the HDMI) and
    also run the VCR audio into its own source on the receiver. I guess that
    would be the better set up.

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to super70s@super70s.invalid on Thu Jul 7 13:07:58 2022
    XPost: rec.audio.tech

    super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:
    I've never used a true surround sound receiver until now (it's still in >transit) and I assumed (wrongly I guess) all four speakers would be
    activated even when using the CD or phono modes.

    No. When it is going through the surround decoder, it will route the appropriate dematrixed signals to the center and surround channel. The dialogue will be in the center, the ambient rear sounds will be in the
    surround just the way it was mixed.

    I was just interested in hearing CDs and LPs from the front speakers
    only with a surround set up, the way I've been listening to music for 50 >years.

    I am not sure what you mean by this. Those recordings are not recorded in surround. If you were to run them through a surround decoder the effect
    would be unpredictable with the stereo image constantly moving around.

    With my previous straight stereo receiver I just had the front speakers >hooked up to "A" and the rear speakers hooked up to "B" and I could turn
    the rear speakers on and off when watching video or listening to CDs >accordingly.

    That would give you the same signals in the front and rear, and no surround effects of any sort. No center channel either, which is really annoying if
    you aren't sitting on the center line of the room.
    --scott
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