• Get Back

    From geoff@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 7 14:25:11 2021
    Amazing the significant album that resulted from those makeshift
    recording arrangements, including some tracks 4 stories down to the
    studio from the rooftop.

    Make that albums, '... Naked' too, from the same tapes.


    geoff

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  • From geoff@21:1/5 to geoff on Sun Jan 2 18:26:10 2022
    On 7/12/2021 2:25 pm, geoff wrote:
    Amazing the significant album that resulted from those makeshift
    recording arrangements, including some tracks 4 stories down to the
    studio from the rooftop.

    Make that albums, '... Naked' too, from the same tapes.


    geoff


    So... nobody has bothered to watch the Get Back doco, and/or has an
    opinion worth posting on it ???

    geoff

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  • From Neil@21:1/5 to geoff on Sun Jan 2 07:34:07 2022
    On 1/2/2022 12:26 AM, geoff wrote:
    On 7/12/2021 2:25 pm, geoff wrote:
    Amazing the significant album that resulted from those makeshift
    recording arrangements, including some tracks 4 stories down to the
    studio from the rooftop.

    Make that albums, '... Naked' too, from the same tapes.


    geoff


    So... nobody has bothered to watch the Get Back doco, and/or has an
    opinion worth posting on it ???

    geoff

    Perhaps not. But, my opinion is based on a different recollection of
    those days. I acquired a bootleg recording of the "Get Back" recording
    sessions before the album was released, and the process and dialogue
    within the group was often unpleasant. It wasn't long after that the
    Beatles' breakup began. So, the positive spin that the ads for the movie present strike me as more of a "Paul promotion" than a documentary.

    --
    best regards,

    Neil

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  • From geoff@21:1/5 to Neil on Mon Jan 3 10:27:42 2022
    On 3/01/2022 1:34 am, Neil wrote:
    On 1/2/2022 12:26 AM, geoff wrote:
    On 7/12/2021 2:25 pm, geoff wrote:
    Amazing the significant album that resulted from those makeshift
    recording arrangements, including some tracks 4 stories down to the
    studio from the rooftop.

    Make that albums, '... Naked' too, from the same tapes.


    geoff


    So... nobody has bothered to watch the Get Back doco, and/or has an
    opinion worth posting on it ???

    geoff

    Perhaps not. But, my opinion is based on a different recollection of
    those days. I acquired a bootleg recording of the "Get Back" recording sessions before the album was released, and the process and dialogue
    within the group was often unpleasant. It wasn't long after that the
    Beatles' breakup began. So, the positive spin that the ads for the movie present strike me as more of a "Paul promotion" than a documentary.


    Yeah, and it wasn't long after hat that they made Abbey Road.

    And put more credence in the apparent agenda of the Lindsay-Hogg 'Let It
    Be' and the maybe similarly edited bootleg. Or did you get the full
    60-odd hours of the session recordings, in order to make such a judgement ?

    I take it that you haven't seen it then....

    geoff

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  • From Phil W@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 3 03:09:04 2022
    2022-01-02 / 06:26 geoff:
    On 7/12/2021 2:25 pm, geoff wrote:
    Amazing the significant album that resulted from those makeshift
    recording arrangements, including some tracks 4 stories down to the
    studio from the rooftop.

    Make that albums, '... Naked' too, from the same tapes.

    So... nobody has bothered to watch the Get Back doco, and/or has an
    opinion worth posting on it ???

    Well, I´d like to watch it, but unfortunately it´s a "Disney+" pay-tv exclusive here and I don´t have access to that. The cinema version seems
    to be cancelled.
    Well, maybe some day it might become available through other sources,
    that are easier accessible...

    Anyway, good to know, it´s worth watching.


    Phil

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  • From geoff@21:1/5 to Phil W on Mon Jan 3 23:02:39 2022
    On 3/01/2022 3:09 pm, Phil W wrote:

    2022-01-02 / 06:26 geoff:
    On 7/12/2021 2:25 pm, geoff wrote:
    Amazing the significant album that resulted from those makeshift
    recording arrangements, including some tracks 4 stories down to the
    studio from the rooftop.

    Make that albums, '... Naked' too, from the same tapes.

    So... nobody has bothered to watch the Get Back doco, and/or has an
    opinion worth posting on it ???

    Well, I´d like to watch it, but unfortunately it´s a "Disney+" pay-tv exclusive here and I don´t have access to that. The cinema version seems
    to be cancelled.
    Well, maybe some day it might become available through other sources,
    that are easier accessible...

    Anyway, good to know, it´s worth watching.


    Phil


    I joined for just a month at flat-rate cost around $12. If you have
    internet it is 'available'. Except maybe in North Korea or Albania.

    geoff

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  • From Neil@21:1/5 to geoff on Mon Jan 3 06:35:09 2022
    On 1/2/2022 4:27 PM, geoff wrote:
    On 3/01/2022 1:34 am, Neil wrote:
    On 1/2/2022 12:26 AM, geoff wrote:
    On 7/12/2021 2:25 pm, geoff wrote:
    Amazing the significant album that resulted from those makeshift
    recording arrangements, including some tracks 4 stories down to the
    studio from the rooftop.

    Make that albums, '... Naked' too, from the same tapes.


    geoff


    So... nobody has bothered to watch the Get Back doco, and/or has an
    opinion worth posting on it ???

    geoff

    Perhaps not. But, my opinion is based on a different recollection of
    those days. I acquired a bootleg recording of the "Get Back" recording
    sessions before the album was released, and the process and dialogue
    within the group was often unpleasant. It wasn't long after that the
    Beatles' breakup began. So, the positive spin that the ads for the
    movie present strike me as more of a "Paul promotion" than a documentary.


    Yeah, and it wasn't long after hat that they made Abbey Road.

    And put more credence in the apparent agenda of the Lindsay-Hogg 'Let It
    Be' and the maybe similarly edited bootleg. Or did you get the full
    60-odd hours of the session recordings, in order to make such a judgement ?

    I take it that you haven't seen it then....

    geoff

    As I indicated, I have no intention of watching it based on the
    advertisements for the movie. Perhaps the promotions of the movie that
    are misleading, and if so, too bad for the producer.

    Geoff, I don't know how old you are, or what you were doing back in
    those days. I was really there as a rock studio musician even before the Beatles were marketed in the US.

    And no, the various bootleg albums from various artists were not a
    complete collection of all their recordings. But, they also weren't
    heavily edited compilations that connected unrelated events to each
    other. Perhaps you should look into how "Abbey Road" and the roof-top
    session came to be? There is no need to be snarky about history. It is
    what it is.

    --
    best regards,

    Neil

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  • From geoff@21:1/5 to Neil on Tue Jan 4 19:40:39 2022
    On 4/01/2022 12:35 am, Neil wrote:
    On 1/2/2022 4:27 PM, geoff wrote:
    On 3/01/2022 1:34 am, Neil wrote:
    On 1/2/2022 12:26 AM, geoff wrote:
    On 7/12/2021 2:25 pm, geoff wrote:
    Amazing the significant album that resulted from those makeshift
    recording arrangements, including some tracks 4 stories down to the
    studio from the rooftop.

    Make that albums, '... Naked' too, from the same tapes.


    geoff


    So... nobody has bothered to watch the Get Back doco, and/or has an
    opinion worth posting on it ???

    geoff

    Perhaps not. But, my opinion is based on a different recollection of
    those days. I acquired a bootleg recording of the "Get Back"
    recording sessions before the album was released, and the process and
    dialogue within the group was often unpleasant. It wasn't long after
    that the Beatles' breakup began. So, the positive spin that the ads
    for the movie present strike me as more of a "Paul promotion" than a
    documentary.


    Yeah, and it wasn't long after hat that they made Abbey Road.

    And put more credence in the apparent agenda of the Lindsay-Hogg 'Let
    It Be' and the maybe similarly edited bootleg. Or did you get the full
    60-odd hours of the session recordings, in order to make such a
    judgement ?

    I take it that you haven't seen it then....

    geoff

    As I indicated, I have no intention of watching it based on the advertisements for the movie. Perhaps the promotions of the movie that
    are misleading, and if so, too bad for the producer.

    Geoff, I don't know how old you are, or what you were doing back in
    those days. I was really there as a rock studio musician even before the Beatles were marketed in the US.

    I was a child, only becoming aware of them in the '70s.

    And no, the various bootleg albums from various artists were not a
    complete collection of all their recordings. But, they also weren't
    heavily edited compilations that connected unrelated events to each
    other. Perhaps you should look into how "Abbey Road" and the roof-top
    session came to be? There is no need to be snarky about history. It is
    what it is.

    You want to see how the roof-top gig came to be - watch the docos - that
    is one of the significant themes of the whole thing.

    Heavily edited, for sure - 60+ hours down to 7 or so how could it not
    be. But with an agenda showing more of the overall situation, rather
    than the rather negative compilation of the Let It Be movie.

    Not being snarky - the doco (movie, if you prefer) would likely be of
    interest to most here if they are interested in recording, production, song-writing, musicianship, etc of an album (and band) that holds
    significance to this day.

    geoff

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  • From Neil@21:1/5 to geoff on Tue Jan 4 05:50:20 2022
    On 1/4/2022 1:40 AM, geoff wrote:
    On 4/01/2022 12:35 am, Neil wrote:
    On 1/2/2022 4:27 PM, geoff wrote:
    On 3/01/2022 1:34 am, Neil wrote:
    On 1/2/2022 12:26 AM, geoff wrote:
    On 7/12/2021 2:25 pm, geoff wrote:
    Amazing the significant album that resulted from those makeshift
    recording arrangements, including some tracks 4 stories down to
    the studio from the rooftop.

    Make that albums, '... Naked' too, from the same tapes.


    geoff


    So... nobody has bothered to watch the Get Back doco, and/or has an
    opinion worth posting on it ???

    geoff

    Perhaps not. But, my opinion is based on a different recollection of
    those days. I acquired a bootleg recording of the "Get Back"
    recording sessions before the album was released, and the process
    and dialogue within the group was often unpleasant. It wasn't long
    after that the Beatles' breakup began. So, the positive spin that
    the ads for the movie present strike me as more of a "Paul
    promotion" than a documentary.


    Yeah, and it wasn't long after hat that they made Abbey Road.

    And put more credence in the apparent agenda of the Lindsay-Hogg 'Let
    It Be' and the maybe similarly edited bootleg. Or did you get the
    full 60-odd hours of the session recordings, in order to make such a
    judgement ?

    I take it that you haven't seen it then....

    geoff

    As I indicated, I have no intention of watching it based on the
    advertisements for the movie. Perhaps the promotions of the movie that
    are misleading, and if so, too bad for the producer.

    Geoff, I don't know how old you are, or what you were doing back in
    those days. I was really there as a rock studio musician even before
    the Beatles were marketed in the US.

    I was a child, only becoming aware of them in the '70s.

    And, there is the reason for the difference in our viewpoints. I
    experienced it in real-time and in far more detail than a movie will be
    able to present.

    And no, the various bootleg albums from various artists were not a
    complete collection of all their recordings. But, they also weren't
    heavily edited compilations that connected unrelated events to each
    other. Perhaps you should look into how "Abbey Road" and the roof-top
    session came to be? There is no need to be snarky about history. It is
    what it is.

    You want to see how the roof-top gig came to be - watch the docos - that
    is one of the significant themes of the whole thing.

    There are documentaries of those events that were made at the time. If
    you want a better idea of how they came to be, do your homework.

    Heavily edited, for sure - 60+ hours down to 7 or so how could it not
    be. But with an agenda showing more of the overall situation, rather
    than the rather negative compilation of the Let It Be movie.

    Not being snarky - the doco (movie, if you prefer) would likely be of interest to most here if they are interested in recording, production, song-writing, musicianship, etc of an album (and band) that holds significance to this day.

    Perhaps for fanboys, but not so much for musicians.

    --
    best regards,

    Neil

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  • From Chris K-Man@21:1/5 to Neil on Tue Jan 4 10:30:14 2022
    On Tuesday, January 4, 2022 at 5:50:25 AM UTC-5, Neil wrote:
    On 1/4/2022 1:40 AM, geoff wrote:
    On 4/01/2022 12:35 am, Neil wrote:
    On 1/2/2022 4:27 PM, geoff wrote:
    On 3/01/2022 1:34 am, Neil wrote:
    On 1/2/2022 12:26 AM, geoff wrote:
    On 7/12/2021 2:25 pm, geoff wrote:
    Amazing the significant album that resulted from those makeshift >>>>>> recording arrangements, including some tracks 4 stories down to
    the studio from the rooftop.

    Make that albums, '... Naked' too, from the same tapes.


    geoff


    So... nobody has bothered to watch the Get Back doco, and/or has an >>>>> opinion worth posting on it ???

    geoff

    Perhaps not. But, my opinion is based on a different recollection of >>>> those days. I acquired a bootleg recording of the "Get Back"
    recording sessions before the album was released, and the process
    and dialogue within the group was often unpleasant. It wasn't long
    after that the Beatles' breakup began. So, the positive spin that
    the ads for the movie present strike me as more of a "Paul
    promotion" than a documentary.


    Yeah, and it wasn't long after hat that they made Abbey Road.

    And put more credence in the apparent agenda of the Lindsay-Hogg 'Let
    It Be' and the maybe similarly edited bootleg. Or did you get the
    full 60-odd hours of the session recordings, in order to make such a
    judgement ?

    I take it that you haven't seen it then....

    geoff

    As I indicated, I have no intention of watching it based on the
    advertisements for the movie. Perhaps the promotions of the movie that
    are misleading, and if so, too bad for the producer.

    Geoff, I don't know how old you are, or what you were doing back in
    those days. I was really there as a rock studio musician even before
    the Beatles were marketed in the US.

    I was a child, only becoming aware of them in the '70s.

    And, there is the reason for the difference in our viewpoints. I
    experienced it in real-time and in far more detail than a movie will be
    able to present.
    And no, the various bootleg albums from various artists were not a
    complete collection of all their recordings. But, they also weren't
    heavily edited compilations that connected unrelated events to each
    other. Perhaps you should look into how "Abbey Road" and the roof-top
    session came to be? There is no need to be snarky about history. It is
    what it is.

    You want to see how the roof-top gig came to be - watch the docos - that
    is one of the significant themes of the whole thing.

    There are documentaries of those events that were made at the time. If
    you want a better idea of how they came to be, do your homework.
    Heavily edited, for sure - 60+ hours down to 7 or so how could it not
    be. But with an agenda showing more of the overall situation, rather
    than the rather negative compilation of the Let It Be movie.

    Not being snarky - the doco (movie, if you prefer) would likely be of interest to most here if they are interested in recording, production, song-writing, musicianship, etc of an album (and band) that holds significance to this day.

    Perhaps for fanboys, but not so much for musicians.

    --
    best regards,

    Neil
    _____

    Neil:

    From which side of the Pond are you?

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  • From Neil@21:1/5 to Chris K-Man on Tue Jan 4 15:53:34 2022
    On 1/4/2022 1:30 PM, Chris K-Man wrote:
    _____

    Neil:

    From which side of the Pond are you?

    Born and raised in the USA. Why do you ask?

    --
    best regards,

    Neil

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  • From geoff@21:1/5 to Neil on Wed Jan 5 09:53:52 2022
    On 4/01/2022 11:50 pm, Neil wrote:
    On 1/4/2022 1:40 AM, geoff wrote:
    On 4/01/2022 12:35 am, Neil wrote:
    On 1/2/2022 4:27 PM, geoff wrote:
    On 3/01/2022 1:34 am, Neil wrote:
    On 1/2/2022 12:26 AM, geoff wrote:
    On 7/12/2021 2:25 pm, geoff wrote:
    Amazing the significant album that resulted from those makeshift >>>>>>> recording arrangements, including some tracks 4 stories down to
    the studio from the rooftop.

    Make that albums, '... Naked' too, from the same tapes.


    geoff


    So... nobody has bothered to watch the Get Back doco, and/or has
    an opinion worth posting on it ???

    geoff

    Perhaps not. But, my opinion is based on a different recollection
    of those days. I acquired a bootleg recording of the "Get Back"
    recording sessions before the album was released, and the process
    and dialogue within the group was often unpleasant. It wasn't long
    after that the Beatles' breakup began. So, the positive spin that
    the ads for the movie present strike me as more of a "Paul
    promotion" than a documentary.


    Yeah, and it wasn't long after hat that they made Abbey Road.

    And put more credence in the apparent agenda of the Lindsay-Hogg
    'Let It Be' and the maybe similarly edited bootleg. Or did you get
    the full 60-odd hours of the session recordings, in order to make
    such a judgement ?

    I take it that you haven't seen it then....

    geoff

    As I indicated, I have no intention of watching it based on the
    advertisements for the movie. Perhaps the promotions of the movie
    that are misleading, and if so, too bad for the producer.

    Geoff, I don't know how old you are, or what you were doing back in
    those days. I was really there as a rock studio musician even before
    the Beatles were marketed in the US.

    I was a child, only becoming aware of them in the '70s.

    And, there is the reason for the difference in our viewpoints. I
    experienced it in real-time and in far more detail than a movie will be
    able to present.

    And no, the various bootleg albums from various artists were not a
    complete collection of all their recordings. But, they also weren't
    heavily edited compilations that connected unrelated events to each
    other. Perhaps you should look into how "Abbey Road" and the roof-top
    session came to be? There is no need to be snarky about history. It
    is what it is.

    You want to see how the roof-top gig came to be - watch the docos -
    that is one of the significant themes of the whole thing.

    There are documentaries of those events that were made at the time. If
    you want a better idea of how they came to be, do your homework.

    Heavily edited, for sure - 60+ hours down to 7 or so how could it not
    be. But with an agenda showing more of the overall situation, rather
    than the rather negative compilation of the Let It Be movie.

    Not being snarky - the doco (movie, if you prefer) would likely be of
    interest to most here if they are interested in recording, production,
    song-writing, musicianship, etc of an album (and band) that holds
    significance to this day.

    Perhaps for fanboys, but not so much for musicians.


    And you were trying to suggest me as being 'snarky'.

    Bye.

    geoff

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  • From pallison49@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Neil on Tue Jan 4 13:27:31 2022
    Neil wrote:
    =========

    I take it that you haven't seen it then....

    geoff

    As I indicated, I have no intention of watching it based on the advertisements for the movie. Perhaps the promotions of the movie that
    are misleading, and if so, too bad for the producer.

    Geoff, I don't know how old you are, or what you were doing back in
    those days. I was really there as a rock studio musician even before the Beatles were marketed in the US.


    ** You must be nearly 80 ?

    Was in my early teens when the Beatles had their first hits.
    In Australia the first was " Love Me Do".
    Everyone liked their songs and their look, it was a phenomenon.
    But things changed pretty quick.

    I had a copy of "Hey Jude/ Revolution" in the late 60s.
    My mom absolutely hated it.
    She thought the Beatles were promoting *revolution* and "Jude" was short for " Judy " - code name for a bad girl.
    Was decades later before I knew Jude referred to Julian Lennon.

    In any case, musicians hear and pass judgment on recordings very differently to non musicians.
    But this don't make them right or the majority wrong.
    Music is created for the *public* to enjoy - not insiders.

    Geoff likes to think he is a blessed insider.
    But in truth, he is just another clueless wanker from New Zealand.



    ...... Phil

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  • From Chris K-Man@21:1/5 to Neil on Tue Jan 4 16:27:46 2022
    On Tuesday, January 4, 2022 at 3:53:41 PM UTC-5, Neil wrote:
    On 1/4/2022 1:30 PM, Chris K-Man wrote:
    _____

    Neil:

    From which side of the Pond are you?
    Born and raised in the USA. Why do you ask?

    --
    best regards,

    Neil
    _______

    Well there you go!

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  • From pallison49@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Neil on Wed Jan 5 04:08:21 2022
    Neil wrote:
    =========


    Was in my early teens when the Beatles had their first hits.
    In Australia the first was " Love Me Do".
    Everyone liked their songs and their look, it was a phenomenon.
    But things changed pretty quick.

    I had a copy of "Hey Jude/ Revolution" in the late 60s.
    My mom absolutely hated it.
    She thought the Beatles were promoting *revolution* and "Jude" was short for " Judy " - code name for a bad girl.
    Was decades later before I knew Jude referred to Julian Lennon.

    In any case, musicians hear and pass judgment on recordings very differently to non musicians.
    But this don't make them right or the majority wrong.
    Music is created for the *public* to enjoy - not insiders.

    Geoff likes to think he is a blessed insider.
    But in truth, he is just another clueless wanker from New Zealand.

    To be clear, none of my comments are about the Beatles' music. They
    wrote *many* songs that will be loved by generations who have little to
    no clue who they were. That is talent!
    --

    ** Famous saying:

    " Never meet you heros - cos you are bound for disappointment ".

    I like many of the "Stones'" hit songs:
    "Paint it Black", " Gimme Shelter", " Can't You Hear me Knocking"

    Saw them play live in Sydney too in 1972.

    Never wanted to meet any of them....


    ... Phil

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  • From Neil@21:1/5 to palli...@gmail.com on Wed Jan 5 06:28:48 2022
    On 1/4/2022 4:27 PM, palli...@gmail.com wrote:
    Neil wrote:
    =========

    I take it that you haven't seen it then....

    geoff

    As I indicated, I have no intention of watching it based on the
    advertisements for the movie. Perhaps the promotions of the movie that
    are misleading, and if so, too bad for the producer.

    Geoff, I don't know how old you are, or what you were doing back in
    those days. I was really there as a rock studio musician even before the
    Beatles were marketed in the US.


    ** You must be nearly 80 ?

    Was in my early teens when the Beatles had their first hits.
    In Australia the first was " Love Me Do".
    Everyone liked their songs and their look, it was a phenomenon.
    But things changed pretty quick.

    I had a copy of "Hey Jude/ Revolution" in the late 60s.
    My mom absolutely hated it.
    She thought the Beatles were promoting *revolution* and "Jude" was short for " Judy " - code name for a bad girl.
    Was decades later before I knew Jude referred to Julian Lennon.

    In any case, musicians hear and pass judgment on recordings very differently to non musicians.
    But this don't make them right or the majority wrong.
    Music is created for the *public* to enjoy - not insiders.

    Geoff likes to think he is a blessed insider.
    But in truth, he is just another clueless wanker from New Zealand.


    To be clear, none of my comments are about the Beatles' music. They
    wrote *many* songs that will be loved by generations who have little to
    no clue who they were. That is talent!

    --
    best regards,

    Neil

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to neil@myplaceofwork.com on Wed Jan 5 14:43:35 2022
    In article <sr3vdf$fu1$1@dont-email.me>, Neil <neil@myplaceofwork.com> wrote:

    To be clear, none of my comments are about the Beatles' music. They
    wrote *many* songs that will be loved by generations who have little to
    no clue who they were. That is talent!

    My dad said they were destroying the Youth of America. "That's not music at all, they're just going Yeah, Yeah, Yeah all the time."

    Ironically, I have heard my peers say the exact same thing about rap.
    --scott

    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From Neil@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Wed Jan 5 11:55:04 2022
    On 1/5/2022 9:43 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    In article <sr3vdf$fu1$1@dont-email.me>, Neil <neil@myplaceofwork.com> wrote:

    To be clear, none of my comments are about the Beatles' music. They
    wrote *many* songs that will be loved by generations who have little to
    no clue who they were. That is talent!

    My dad said they were destroying the Youth of America. "That's not music at all, they're just going Yeah, Yeah, Yeah all the time."

    Ironically, I have heard my peers say the exact same thing about rap.
    --scott

    I'm sure every genre of music goes/went through the same critiques,
    since the majority of it doesn't "connect" with listeners.

    There was a time when no radio station would play country music. It took
    a radical station on the Texas/Mexican border to open the door.

    As for rap, there is another layer of issues unique to the USA that
    drives its resistance. Even though it is a decades-old world-wide genre,
    it wasn't until "Hamilton" that it gained wider acceptance here.

    Ironically, there are aspects of the "British Invasion" that were driven
    by those same issues by the labels, managers and so on. Some people did
    not like the fact that Rock & Roll was a multi-cultural genre that was eliminating segregation. However, the Stones, Yardbirds and others saw
    through that and opened many doors for blues and rock players here that otherwise would have remained sidelined.

    The '50s and '60s were complicated times in many ways.

    --
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    Neil

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  • From pallison49@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Wed Jan 5 13:37:53 2022
    Scott Dorsey wrote:
    ===============
    Neil

    To be clear, none of my comments are about the Beatles' music. They
    wrote *many* songs that will be loved by generations who have little to
    no clue who they were. That is talent!

    My dad said they were destroying the Youth of America. "That's not music at all, they're just going Yeah, Yeah, Yeah all the time."


    ** Really ? Says a lot about him and nothing about the famous song.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGbWU8S3vzs

    Ironically, I have heard my peers say the exact same thing about rap.

    ** That it is not music at all ?
    Doubt the performers even think of "'Rap" as music.
    Look at the name.


    ...... Phil

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  • From Don Pearce@21:1/5 to pallison49@gmail.com on Thu Jan 6 08:54:53 2022
    On Wed, 5 Jan 2022 13:37:53 -0800 (PST), "palli...@gmail.com" <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

    Scott Dorsey wrote:
    ===============
    Neil

    To be clear, none of my comments are about the Beatles' music. They
    wrote *many* songs that will be loved by generations who have little to
    no clue who they were. That is talent!

    My dad said they were destroying the Youth of America. "That's not music at >> all, they're just going Yeah, Yeah, Yeah all the time."


    ** Really ? Says a lot about him and nothing about the famous song.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGbWU8S3vzs

    Ironically, I have heard my peers say the exact same thing about rap.

    ** That it is not music at all ?
    Doubt the performers even think of "'Rap" as music.
    Look at the name.

    Rap is a broad church. It probably merges into hip hop at the more
    musical end, and qualifies fully as music. At the other end it makes
    me think of the Beat Poets of the late fifties/early sixties. To
    condemn them for lack of musicality would be like criticizing a bike
    for not being a table.

    d

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  • From Chris K-Man@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Thu Jan 6 04:30:17 2022
    On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 9:43:38 AM UTC-5, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    In article <sr3vdf$fu1$1...@dont-email.me>, Neil <ne...@myplaceofwork.com> wrote:

    To be clear, none of my comments are about the Beatles' music. They
    wrote *many* songs that will be loved by generations who have little to
    no clue who they were. That is talent!
    My dad said they were destroying the Youth of America. "That's not music at all, they're just going Yeah, Yeah, Yeah all the time."

    Ironically, I have heard my peers say the exact same thing about rap.
    --scott

    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
    ______

    You'd expect such sentiment from Americans.

    I'm from the States too, but guess what - I like the Beatles,

    their music, the band, etc.

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  • From pallison49@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 6 12:25:39 2022
    Dope Pearce Bullshitted Again:
    ==================
    Neil

    To be clear, none of my comments are about the Beatles' music. They
    wrote *many* songs that will be loved by generations who have little to >> >no clue who they were. That is talent!

    My dad said they were destroying the Youth of America. "That's not music at
    all, they're just going Yeah, Yeah, Yeah all the time."


    ** Really ? Says a lot about him and nothing about the famous song.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGbWU8S3vzs

    Ironically, I have heard my peers say the exact same thing about rap.

    ** That it is not music at all ?
    Doubt the performers even think of "'Rap" as music.
    Look at the name.

    Rap is a broad church.

    ** False. Rap = speech.

    Nothing else or more was implied here.



    ...... Phil

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  • From Don Pearce@21:1/5 to pallison49@gmail.com on Fri Jan 7 09:22:07 2022
    On Thu, 6 Jan 2022 12:25:39 -0800 (PST), "palli...@gmail.com" <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

    Rap is a broad church.

    ** False. Rap = speech.

    Nothing else or more was implied here.

    Genres are never that clearly defined. They always have fuzzy edges.

    d

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  • From pallison49@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Don Pearce on Fri Jan 7 12:27:59 2022
    Don Pearce wrote:
    ==============
    "palli...@gmail.com"
    <
    Rap is a broad church.

    ** False. Rap = speech.
    Nothing else or more was implied here.

    Genres are never that clearly defined. They always have fuzzy edges.

    ** The rain in Spain falls mainly on the plain.



    .... Phil

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  • From Markus Ermert@21:1/5 to geoff on Wed Jan 26 09:04:37 2022
    geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:

    [Disney+]

    I joined for just a month at flat-rate cost around $12. If you have
    internet it is 'available'. Except maybe in North Korea or Albania.

    Don‘t place Albania in this row. More dynamic and friendly and much less backward than perceived by many.

    Anyway, Disney+ is available in 53 of 195 countries only. So still enough sh..hole areas to apply one‘s uneducated prejudices on.

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  • From geoff@21:1/5 to Markus Ermert on Thu Jan 27 09:45:18 2022
    On 26/01/2022 10:04 pm, Markus Ermert wrote:
    geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:

    [Disney+]

    I joined for just a month at flat-rate cost around $12. If you have
    internet it is 'available'. Except maybe in North Korea or Albania.

    Don‘t place Albania in this row. More dynamic and friendly and much less backward than perceived by many.

    Anyway, Disney+ is available in 53 of 195 countries only. So still enough sh..hole areas to apply one‘s uneducated prejudices on.

    Not available in Albania.

    But I guess like anywhere else they could use a VPN server, if those are accessible.

    geoff

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