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    From jason_warren@ieee.org@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 1 12:36:16 2023
    https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/09/ai- language-models-can-exceed-png-and-flac-in-lossless-
    compression-says-study/

    This article reports results of using an AI-based
    scheme for lossless compression of audio and
    image data. Its performance exceeds that of flac
    for audio and png for images.

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  • From Tobiah@21:1/5 to jason_warren@ieee.org on Mon Oct 16 10:31:57 2023
    On 10/1/23 09:36, jason_warren@ieee.org wrote:
    https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/09/ai- language-models-can-exceed-png-and-flac-in-lossless-
    compression-says-study/

    This article reports results of using an AI-based
    scheme for lossless compression of audio and
    image data. Its performance exceeds that of flac
    for audio and png for images.


    Pied Piper will be devastated.

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  • From Chris K-Man@21:1/5 to jason_...@ieee.org on Wed Oct 18 12:50:38 2023
    On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 12:36:23 PM UTC-4, jason_...@ieee.org wrote:
    https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/09/ai- language-models-can-exceed-png-and-flac-in-lossless-
    compression-says-study/

    This article reports results of using an AI-based
    scheme for lossless compression of audio and
    image data. Its performance exceeds that of flac
    for audio and png for images.
    _______

    Lossless *data size reduction*

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  • From Orlando Enrique Fiol@21:1/5 to jason_warren@ieee.org on Fri Dec 1 17:48:10 2023
    In article <MPG.3f836a06bc1d3093989688@reader80.eternal-september.org>, jason_warren@ieee.org writes: >language-models-can-exceed-png-and-flac-in-lossless-
    compression-says-study/
    Has anyone observed this in action?

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  • From Don Pearce@21:1/5 to ofiol@verizon.net on Fri Dec 1 23:22:45 2023
    On Fri, 1 Dec 2023 17:48:10 -0500, Orlando Enrique Fiol
    <ofiol@verizon.net> wrote:

    In article <MPG.3f836a06bc1d3093989688@reader80.eternal-september.org>, >jason_warren@ieee.org writes: >>language-models-can-exceed-png-and-flac-in-lossless- >>compression-says-study/
    Has anyone observed this in action?

    I'll believe it when I see it.

    d

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  • From jason_warren@ieee.org@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 5 16:42:25 2023
    In article <656a6ab6.25697437@news.eternal-september.org>, spam@spam.com says...

    On Fri, 1 Dec 2023 17:48:10 -0500, Orlando Enrique Fiol
    <ofiol@verizon.net> wrote:

    In article <MPG.3f836a06bc1d3093989688@reader80.eternal-september.org>, >jason_warren@ieee.org writes: >>language-models-can-exceed-png-and-flac-in-lossless- >>compression-says-study/
    Has anyone observed this in action?

    I'll believe it when I see it.


    I tried it on several large .wav files. It achieved better
    compression than flac. The then-decompressed file was
    identical to the original. I'll see if I can find the
    website again and post here. I left it behind because
    the time to transfer the large files isn't worth the
    gain. It'd be a different story if it ran locally.

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  • From geoff@21:1/5 to jason_warren@ieee.org on Fri Dec 8 10:23:18 2023
    On 6/12/2023 10:42 am, jason_warren@ieee.org wrote:
    In article <656a6ab6.25697437@news.eternal-september.org>, spam@spam.com says...

    On Fri, 1 Dec 2023 17:48:10 -0500, Orlando Enrique Fiol
    <ofiol@verizon.net> wrote:

    In article <MPG.3f836a06bc1d3093989688@reader80.eternal-september.org>,
    jason_warren@ieee.org writes:
    language-models-can-exceed-png-and-flac-in-lossless-
    compression-says-study/
    Has anyone observed this in action?

    I'll believe it when I see it.


    I tried it on several large .wav files. It achieved better
    compression than flac. The then-decompressed file was
    identical to the original. I'll see if I can find the
    website again and post here. I left it behind because
    the time to transfer the large files isn't worth the
    gain. It'd be a different story if it ran locally.


    Significantly better ? In the context that file-size and bandwidth is a relatively trivial factor these days ....


    geoff

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  • From jason_warren@ieee.org@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 12 16:25:47 2023
    In article <VwKdnV7WcqJbqu_4nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@giganews.com>, geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org says...

    On 6/12/2023 10:42 am, jason_warren@ieee.org wrote:
    In article <656a6ab6.25697437@news.eternal-september.org>, spam@spam.com says...

    On Fri, 1 Dec 2023 17:48:10 -0500, Orlando Enrique Fiol
    <ofiol@verizon.net> wrote:

    In article <MPG.3f836a06bc1d3093989688@reader80.eternal-september.org>, >>> jason_warren@ieee.org writes:
    language-models-can-exceed-png-and-flac-in-lossless-
    compression-says-study/
    Has anyone observed this in action?

    I'll believe it when I see it.


    I tried it on several large .wav files. It achieved better
    compression than flac. The then-decompressed file was
    identical to the original. I'll see if I can find the
    website again and post here. I left it behind because
    the time to transfer the large files isn't worth the
    gain. It'd be a different story if it ran locally.


    Significantly better ? In the context that file-size and bandwidth is a relatively trivial factor these days ....


    geoff

    The gain over flac and Monkey's Audio was on the order of 20%.
    That's not insignificant considering the sizes of the files,
    but I'm not willing to wait very long. I am also not willing
    to depend upon a website for the operation; what if it
    goes away? I'd reconsider if they released a version that
    ran locally.

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  • From jason_warren@ieee.org@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 16 23:36:17 2023
    In article <MPG.3fd9634c2df0e462989690@reader80.eternal-september.org>, jason_warren@ieee.org says...

    In article <656a6ab6.25697437@news.eternal-september.org>, spam@spam.com says...

    On Fri, 1 Dec 2023 17:48:10 -0500, Orlando Enrique Fiol
    <ofiol@verizon.net> wrote:

    In article <MPG.3f836a06bc1d3093989688@reader80.eternal-september.org>, >jason_warren@ieee.org writes: >>language-models-can-exceed-png-and-flac-in-lossless- >>compression-says-study/
    Has anyone observed this in action?

    I'll believe it when I see it.


    I tried it on several large .wav files. It achieved better
    compression than flac. The then-decompressed file was
    identical to the original. I'll see if I can find the
    website again and post here. I left it behind because
    the time to transfer the large files isn't worth the
    gain. It'd be a different story if it ran locally.

    Forgot to add: my Internet upload speed is a measly
    3 MB/s if everything's working perfectly. That's a
    long wait for a 500+ MB file!

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