https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2023/12/12/harvard-weighs-in-on-whether-claudine-gay-is-keeping-her-job-and-their-actions-are-truly-shameless-n2167454
I always wondered why academia was blowing things up and way out of proportion as "groundbreaking".
Carol Swain explains as the victim of plagiarism.
“I can tell you this: when I got my tenure at Princeton, the standard at the Ivy League was you had to have one major book, and you had to have a path-breaking book."
https://redstate.com/mccabe/2023/12/12/exclusive-carol-swain-weighs-on-charge-harvards-prez-claudine-gay-plagiarized-her-n2167448
In science one has to move the bar of understanding the nature of things.
But sociologists etc. have different means. They just get ever more granular.
On Tuesday, December 12, 2023 at 12:51:02 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
On 12/12/23 10:49 AM, ScottW wrote:
https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2023/12/12/harvard-weighs-in-on-whether-claudine-gay-is-keeping-her-job-and-their-actions-are-truly-shameless-n2167454Yes, I knew you'd jump on this. Most of the instances highlighted by Mr.
I always wondered why academia was blowing things up and way out of proportion as "groundbreaking".
Carol Swain explains as the victim of plagiarism.
“I can tell you this: when I got my tenure at Princeton, the standard at the Ivy League was you had to have one major book, and you had to have a path-breaking book."
https://redstate.com/mccabe/2023/12/12/exclusive-carol-swain-weighs-on-charge-harvards-prez-claudine-gay-plagiarized-her-n2167448
In science one has to move the bar of understanding the nature of things. >>> But sociologists etc. have different means. They just get ever more granular.
Rufo involved passages in which Dr. Gay cited scholars by name, but then
only lightly paraphrased passages from their work.
That second sentence is from the NYT, of course, but I followed the
Scottie cut'n'paste RAO standard of citation.
Google groups RAO search of "granular" doesn't show Scott using the word
before.
As usual....no matter how blunt the point...you still get poked in the eye.
On Tuesday, December 12, 2023 at 5:54:07 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
On 12/12/23 5:06 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Tuesday, December 12, 2023 at 12:51:02 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:phrasing.
On 12/12/23 10:49 AM, ScottW wrote:
https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2023/12/12/harvard-weighs-in-on-whether-claudine-gay-is-keeping-her-job-and-their-actions-are-truly-shameless-n2167454Yes, I knew you'd jump on this. Most of the instances highlighted by Mr. >>>> Rufo involved passages in which Dr. Gay cited scholars by name, but then >>>> only lightly paraphrased passages from their work.
I always wondered why academia was blowing things up and way out of proportion as "groundbreaking".
Carol Swain explains as the victim of plagiarism.
“I can tell you this: when I got my tenure at Princeton, the standard at the Ivy League was you had to have one major book, and you had to have a path-breaking book."
https://redstate.com/mccabe/2023/12/12/exclusive-carol-swain-weighs-on-charge-harvards-prez-claudine-gay-plagiarized-her-n2167448
In science one has to move the bar of understanding the nature of things. >>>>> But sociologists etc. have different means. They just get ever more granular.
That second sentence is from the NYT, of course, but I followed the
Scottie cut'n'paste RAO standard of citation.
Google groups RAO search of "granular" doesn't show Scott using the word >>>> before.
As usual....no matter how blunt the point...you still get poked in the eye. >> Freud is out of style but he might have something to say about your
To be clear, differing citation styles is not plagiarism, especially in
the context of a literature review.
Spoken like a plagiarist or Hunter on his daddy's ever changing involvement in his "business".
On Thursday, December 14, 2023 at 5:46:20 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
On 12/13/23 10:13 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Tuesday, December 12, 2023 at 5:54:07 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:Spoken like a last-word enthusiast out of valid responses.
On 12/12/23 5:06 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Tuesday, December 12, 2023 at 12:51:02 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote: >>>>>> On 12/12/23 10:49 AM, ScottW wrote:Freud is out of style but he might have something to say about your
https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2023/12/12/harvard-weighs-in-on-whether-claudine-gay-is-keeping-her-job-and-their-actions-are-truly-shameless-n2167454Yes, I knew you'd jump on this. Most of the instances highlighted by Mr. >>>>>> Rufo involved passages in which Dr. Gay cited scholars by name, but then >>>>>> only lightly paraphrased passages from their work.
I always wondered why academia was blowing things up and way out of proportion as "groundbreaking".
Carol Swain explains as the victim of plagiarism.
“I can tell you this: when I got my tenure at Princeton, the standard at the Ivy League was you had to have one major book, and you had to have a path-breaking book."
https://redstate.com/mccabe/2023/12/12/exclusive-carol-swain-weighs-on-charge-harvards-prez-claudine-gay-plagiarized-her-n2167448
In science one has to move the bar of understanding the nature of things.
But sociologists etc. have different means. They just get ever more granular.
That second sentence is from the NYT, of course, but I followed the >>>>>> Scottie cut'n'paste RAO standard of citation.
Google groups RAO search of "granular" doesn't show Scott using the word >>>>>> before.
As usual....no matter how blunt the point...you still get poked in the eye.
phrasing.
To be clear, differing citation styles is not plagiarism, especially in >>>> the context of a literature review.
Spoken like a plagiarist or Hunter on his daddy's ever changing involvement in his "business".
I could quote the researchers who have voiced their complaint that the issue was not "improper" or differing "styles of citations,
but a complete lack of citations for their work.
On Thursday, December 14, 2023 at 11:21:04 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:the plagiarism claims.
On 12/14/23 11:18 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Thursday, December 14, 2023 at 5:46:20 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:Rufo is a political hit man, not a valid researcher.
On 12/13/23 10:13 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Tuesday, December 12, 2023 at 5:54:07 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote: >>>>>> On 12/12/23 5:06 PM, ScottW wrote:Spoken like a last-word enthusiast out of valid responses.
On Tuesday, December 12, 2023 at 12:51:02 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote: >>>>>>>> On 12/12/23 10:49 AM, ScottW wrote:Freud is out of style but he might have something to say about your >>>>>> phrasing.
https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2023/12/12/harvard-weighs-in-on-whether-claudine-gay-is-keeping-her-job-and-their-actions-are-truly-shameless-n2167454Yes, I knew you'd jump on this. Most of the instances highlighted by Mr.
I always wondered why academia was blowing things up and way out of proportion as "groundbreaking".
Carol Swain explains as the victim of plagiarism.
“I can tell you this: when I got my tenure at Princeton, the standard at the Ivy League was you had to have one major book, and you had to have a path-breaking book."
https://redstate.com/mccabe/2023/12/12/exclusive-carol-swain-weighs-on-charge-harvards-prez-claudine-gay-plagiarized-her-n2167448
In science one has to move the bar of understanding the nature of things.
But sociologists etc. have different means. They just get ever more granular.
Rufo involved passages in which Dr. Gay cited scholars by name, but then
only lightly paraphrased passages from their work.
That second sentence is from the NYT, of course, but I followed the >>>>>>>> Scottie cut'n'paste RAO standard of citation.
Google groups RAO search of "granular" doesn't show Scott using the word
before.
As usual....no matter how blunt the point...you still get poked in the eye.
To be clear, differing citation styles is not plagiarism, especially in >>>>>> the context of a literature review.
Spoken like a plagiarist or Hunter on his daddy's ever changing involvement in his "business".
I could quote the researchers who have voiced their complaint that the issue was not "improper" or differing "styles of citations,
but a complete lack of citations for their work.
https://nypost.com/2023/12/13/news/harvard-redefining-plagiarism-by-standing-by-claudine-gay-claims-academic-she-accused-of-copying/
Carol Swain, a former political science professor at Vanderbilt University, spoke out hours after Harvard said it was standing by the embattled president — even while conceding some of her academic work needed correcting after an investigation into
“I feel like her whole research agenda, her whole career, was based on my work,” Swain told Fox News Digital of allegations Gay lifted some without proper attribution.
“My blood pressure is rising today because of Harvard’s decision that what she did doesn’t constitute plagiarism, and it doesn’t rise to the level of her removal,” she said.
“My message to Harvard is: You don’t get to redefine what is plagiarism. Most of us know what plagiarism is,” she said.
Well.....most of us. Stephen is "flexible".
On Friday, December 15, 2023 at 4:59:31 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:the plagiarism claims.
On 12/15/23 10:37 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Thursday, December 14, 2023 at 11:21:04 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
On 12/14/23 11:18 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Thursday, December 14, 2023 at 5:46:20 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote: >>>>>> On 12/13/23 10:13 AM, ScottW wrote:Rufo is a political hit man, not a valid researcher.
On Tuesday, December 12, 2023 at 5:54:07 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote: >>>>>>>> On 12/12/23 5:06 PM, ScottW wrote:Spoken like a last-word enthusiast out of valid responses.
On Tuesday, December 12, 2023 at 12:51:02 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 12/12/23 10:49 AM, ScottW wrote:Freud is out of style but he might have something to say about your >>>>>>>> phrasing.
https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2023/12/12/harvard-weighs-in-on-whether-claudine-gay-is-keeping-her-job-and-their-actions-are-truly-shameless-n2167454Yes, I knew you'd jump on this. Most of the instances highlighted by Mr.
I always wondered why academia was blowing things up and way out of proportion as "groundbreaking".
Carol Swain explains as the victim of plagiarism.
“I can tell you this: when I got my tenure at Princeton, the standard at the Ivy League was you had to have one major book, and you had to have a path-breaking book."
https://redstate.com/mccabe/2023/12/12/exclusive-carol-swain-weighs-on-charge-harvards-prez-claudine-gay-plagiarized-her-n2167448
In science one has to move the bar of understanding the nature of things.
But sociologists etc. have different means. They just get ever more granular.
Rufo involved passages in which Dr. Gay cited scholars by name, but then
only lightly paraphrased passages from their work.
That second sentence is from the NYT, of course, but I followed the >>>>>>>>>> Scottie cut'n'paste RAO standard of citation.
Google groups RAO search of "granular" doesn't show Scott using the word
before.
As usual....no matter how blunt the point...you still get poked in the eye.
To be clear, differing citation styles is not plagiarism, especially in
the context of a literature review.
Spoken like a plagiarist or Hunter on his daddy's ever changing involvement in his "business".
I could quote the researchers who have voiced their complaint that the issue was not "improper" or differing "styles of citations,
but a complete lack of citations for their work.
https://nypost.com/2023/12/13/news/harvard-redefining-plagiarism-by-standing-by-claudine-gay-claims-academic-she-accused-of-copying/
Carol Swain, a former political science professor at Vanderbilt University, spoke out hours after Harvard said it was standing by the embattled president — even while conceding some of her academic work needed correcting after an investigation into
The damages to Swain appear to be a single sentence that is a simple
“I feel like her whole research agenda, her whole career, was based on my work,” Swain told Fox News Digital of allegations Gay lifted some without proper attribution.
“My blood pressure is rising today because of Harvard’s decision that what she did doesn’t constitute plagiarism, and it doesn’t rise to the level of her removal,” she said.
“My message to Harvard is: You don’t get to redefine what is plagiarism. Most of us know what plagiarism is,” she said.
Well.....most of us. Stephen is "flexible".
statement of fact and 'feelings.'
You appear to be clueless.....check that....you are clueless.
https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2023/12/12/allegations-plagiarism-gay-dissertation/
On Friday, December 15, 2023 at 5:28:33 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
On 12/15/23 7:13 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Friday, December 15, 2023 at 4:59:31 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
On 12/15/23 10:37 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Thursday, December 14, 2023 at 11:21:04 AM UTC-8, mINE109
wrote:
On 12/14/23 11:18 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Thursday, December 14, 2023 at 5:46:20 AM UTC-8,
mINE109 wrote:
On 12/13/23 10:13 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Tuesday, December 12, 2023 at 5:54:07 PM UTC-8,
mINE109 wrote:
On 12/12/23 5:06 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Tuesday, December 12, 2023 at 12:51:02 PM
UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
On 12/12/23 10:49 AM, ScottW wrote:
https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2023/12/12/allegations-plagiarism-gay-dissertation/
Cites Rufo, so you're circling back.
But if you must, that's boiler plate descriptions of technical
results and a reworded passage in a paragraph that prominently
cites the original authors.
"But Bobo, King, and Gilliam all said they did not feel Gay
plagiarized their work...
When asked about the passage concerning Bobo and Gilliam, King
wrote that the essence of plagiarism is passing someone else’s work
off as original, which he added was not the case here."
Note how the Crimson writer conveyed the essence of King's view by
showing him as the source but not quoting him directly in this
sentence.
Thanks for the cite. Rereading, I find that Gay credited Swain
after all. I also see a better description than mine of
"boilerplate" for formal academese:
“It is not surprising when two researchers describe the same
statistical procedure or the same government program using similar
language,” [Jeffrey B.] Liebman wrote. “As the MTO research
unfolded, lots of us contributed to developing and refining the
language that we used for these basic descriptions, and all of us,
including President Gay, had the right to use and adapt this common
language.”
I see you cherrypicking again.
Bottomline from the Harvard Crimson...."The Crimson independently
reviewed the published allegations. Though some are minor —
consisting of passages that are similar or identical to Gay’s
sources, lacking quotation marks but including citations — others are
more substantial, including some paragraphs and sentences nearly
identical to other work and lacking citations.
Some appear to violate Harvard’s current policies around plagiarism
and academic integrity."
On Saturday, December 16, 2023 at 11:08:09 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
On 12/16/23 12:38 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Friday, December 15, 2023 at 5:28:33 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
On 12/15/23 7:13 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Friday, December 15, 2023 at 4:59:31 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
On 12/15/23 10:37 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Thursday, December 14, 2023 at 11:21:04 AM UTC-8, mINE109
wrote:
On 12/14/23 11:18 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Thursday, December 14, 2023 at 5:46:20 AM UTC-8,
mINE109 wrote:
On 12/13/23 10:13 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Tuesday, December 12, 2023 at 5:54:07 PM UTC-8,
mINE109 wrote:
On 12/12/23 5:06 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Tuesday, December 12, 2023 at 12:51:02 PM
UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
On 12/12/23 10:49 AM, ScottW wrote:
https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2023/12/12/allegations-plagiarism-gay-dissertation/
It's a direct response to Rufo's examples.Cites Rufo, so you're circling back.
But if you must, that's boiler plate descriptions of technical
results and a reworded passage in a paragraph that prominently
cites the original authors.
"But Bobo, King, and Gilliam all said they did not feel Gay
plagiarized their work...
When asked about the passage concerning Bobo and Gilliam, King
wrote that the essence of plagiarism is passing someone else’s work
off as original, which he added was not the case here."
Note how the Crimson writer conveyed the essence of King's view by
showing him as the source but not quoting him directly in this
sentence.
Thanks for the cite. Rereading, I find that Gay credited Swain
after all. I also see a better description than mine of
"boilerplate" for formal academese:
“It is not surprising when two researchers describe the same
statistical procedure or the same government program using similar
language,” [Jeffrey B.] Liebman wrote. “As the MTO research
unfolded, lots of us contributed to developing and refining the
language that we used for these basic descriptions, and all of us,
including President Gay, had the right to use and adapt this common
language.”
I see you cherrypicking again.
Bottomline from the Harvard Crimson...."The Crimson independentlyThat refers to Rufo. The claim they "independently reviewed" seems to
reviewed the published allegations. Though some are minor —
consisting of passages that are similar or identical to Gay’s
sources, lacking quotation marks but including citations — others are
more substantial, including some paragraphs and sentences nearly
identical to other work and lacking citations.
Some appear to violate Harvard’s current policies around plagiarism
and academic integrity."
consist of reading the Free Beacon.
So another Harvard Institution is full of shit. Where does it end?
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